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Science Of The Bible - My Original Work

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You'd be correct if we all shared the exact same DNA, we don't. All living populations vary so natural selection can act on populations in the absence of any mutations.

You talk nonsense without understanding.

"Natural Selection. As you saw in the previous section, mutations are a random and constant process. As mutations occur, natural selection decides which mutations will live on and which ones will die out. If the mutation is harmful, the mutated organism has a much decreased chance of surviving and reproducing." (www.HowStuffWorks.com/life/evolution)

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mutations are a random and constant process.

if the change is reproduced beyond one generation and is the same it is not a random event or mutation but a prior metaphysical self directed phenomenon to exert some sort of remedy or attempt at a solution the organism had so directed on its own behalf.
 

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I took the words from your mouth, not the other way around:
I Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Is there a more concise explanation of the scientific method? “Prove all things”? The essence of modern science is the proof of testable hypotheses, as scientists like to say. Such technique was proposed in the Scriptures which are mocked by so many who are proud of their lack of belief.​

To my mind, faith is the belief in the supernatural. I have zero faith but that doesn't mean I believe faith is always a bad thing.

Point taken. There's a phrase one never sees from a godless Leftist.

"Prove all things" is the King James Version, which I believe the majority of Holy Bibles are printed in. Mine is. Almost every other version uses "test" instead of "prove."

Put everything to the test. Accept what is good. - Contemporary English Version

Your "mind" of what faith means is intentionally narrow, only to suit your atheist narrative.

You have faith that your car will start every morning.
You have faith that your wife (or husband) will continue to love and cherish you.
You have faith in what trusted friends and advisors tell you.
Claiming that you have no faith is dishonest, as many scientists have expressed their own faith.
Q.E.D.
True, 1 Thessalonians 5:21 reads "prove all things" in KJV.

Some other translations and the original Greek are here:




The Greek from our interlinear:

δοκιμάζετε, be YOU proving = dokimazete

From Thayer's:

G1381
δοκιμάζω
dokimazō
Thayer Definition:
1) to test, examine, prove, scrutinise (to see whether a thing is genuine or not), as metals
2) to recognise as genuine after examination, to approve, deem worthy
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G1384

Test, prove, make sure are all valid translations.

Hebrew 11:1 has the definition the type of faith we are to have is also interesting from the Greek.

Hebrews 11:1 (NW ref (1984 edition)
Faith+ is the assured expectation* of things hoped+ for, the evident demonstration* of realities* though not beheld.+

NW ref. footnote on "evident demonstration" -


"“Evident demonstration.” Or, “convincing evidence.” Gr., eʹleg·khos; Lat., ar·gu·menʹtum. Compare Joh 16:8 ftn."

This type of faith requires convincing evidence and proof
 

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I'm sure your numbers are accurate, unfortunately your assumption that the process is random, is not. Natural selection has been known since Darwin.

Natural selection is a simplistic tautology and even so, you don't understand it. Two steps:

1. RANDOM mutation, followed by
2. The Magic Wand of *Selection*

Mutations are random and that is the starting point for all Magic Selection, notwithstanding the screams of protest from Richard Dawkins and everybody else like him. NOTHING can be "selected" until a mutation error takes place. An ERROR, not a direction towards something you wish to see.

YOU are invited to explain precisely how each successive amino acid was selected in the assembly of human hemoglobin, so that the end product could be "selected." Bear in mind that Douglas Axe has done experiments showing that for proteins of only 150 residues in length, only 1 in 10 to the 77th power is functional. All the rest of them are useless. AND there are only 10 to the 80th fundamental particles in the universe.

“A growing number of respectable scientists are defecting from the evolutionist camp…..moreover, for the most part these “experts” have abandoned Darwinism, not on the basis of religious faith or biblical persuasions, but on strictly scientific grounds, and in some instances, regretfully.” (Dr. Wolfgang Smith, physicist and mathematician)
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“It must be significant that nearly all the evolutionary stories I learned as a student….have now been debunked.” (Dr. Derek V. Ager, Department of Geology, Imperial College, London)

“The explanation value of the evolutionary hypothesis of common origin is nil! Evolution not only conveys no knowledge, it seems to convey anti-knowledge. How could I work on evolution ten years and learn nothing from it? Most of you in this room will have to admit that in the last ten years we have seen the basis of evolution go from fact to faith! It does seem that the level of knowledge about evolution is remarkably shallow. We know it ought not be taught in high school, and that’s all we know about it.” (Dr. Colin Patterson, evolutionist and senior Paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History, which houses 60 million fossils)

Good points chem engineer - this point is right in line with my new thread on amino acid synthesis- you posted:

"YOU are invited to explain precisely how each successive amino acid was selected in the assembly of human hemoglobin, so that the end product could be "selected." Bear in mind that Douglas Axe has done experiments showing that for proteins of only 150 residues in length, only 1 in 10 to the 77th power is functional. All the rest of them are useless. AND there are only 10 to the 80th fundamental particles in the universe."

Yet no poster so far has responded concerning this amino acid synthesis research - see my new thread on Amino Acid synthesis..

Btw, Eddington calculated that the mass of our visible universe is 10^79 amu (atomic mass units).

Interesting calculation of the relative number of proteins that are actually functional - can you post a link concerning his research? Functional can be more or less complex - for example the necessary 3-d fit of enzymes and receptors.

Bottom line: Proteins useful to life have to be informational, not just statistical. And, of course, one needs a translator molecule to 'read' and apply the information.
 

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I'm sure your numbers are accurate, unfortunately your assumption that the process is random, is not. Natural selection has been known since Darwin.

Natural selection is a simplistic tautology and even so, you don't understand it. Two steps:

1. RANDOM mutation, followed by
2. The Magic Wand of *Selection*

Mutations are random and that is the starting point for all Magic Selection, notwithstanding the screams of protest from Richard Dawkins and everybody else like him. NOTHING can be "selected" until a mutation error takes place. An ERROR, not a direction towards something you wish to see.

YOU are invited to explain precisely how each successive amino acid was selected in the assembly of human hemoglobin, so that the end product could be "selected." Bear in mind that Douglas Axe has done experiments showing that for proteins of only 150 residues in length, only 1 in 10 to the 77th power is functional. All the rest of them are useless. AND there are only 10 to the 80th fundamental particles in the universe.

“A growing number of respectable scientists are defecting from the evolutionist camp…..moreover, for the most part these “experts” have abandoned Darwinism, not on the basis of religious faith or biblical persuasions, but on strictly scientific grounds, and in some instances, regretfully.” (Dr. Wolfgang Smith, physicist and mathematician)
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“It must be significant that nearly all the evolutionary stories I learned as a student….have now been debunked.” (Dr. Derek V. Ager, Department of Geology, Imperial College, London)

“The explanation value of the evolutionary hypothesis of common origin is nil! Evolution not only conveys no knowledge, it seems to convey anti-knowledge. How could I work on evolution ten years and learn nothing from it? Most of you in this room will have to admit that in the last ten years we have seen the basis of evolution go from fact to faith! It does seem that the level of knowledge about evolution is remarkably shallow. We know it ought not be taught in high school, and that’s all we know about it.” (Dr. Colin Patterson, evolutionist and senior Paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History, which houses 60 million fossils)

Good points chem engineer - this point is right in line with my new thread on amino acid synthesis- you posted:

"YOU are invited to explain precisely how each successive amino acid was selected in the assembly of human hemoglobin, so that the end product could be "selected." Bear in mind that Douglas Axe has done experiments showing that for proteins of only 150 residues in length, only 1 in 10 to the 77th power is functional. All the rest of them are useless. AND there are only 10 to the 80th fundamental particles in the universe."

Yet no poster so far has responded concerning this amino acid synthesis research - see my new thread on Amino Acid synthesis..

Btw, Eddington calculated that the mass of our visible universe is 10^79 amu (atomic mass units).

Interesting calculation of the relative number of proteins that are actually functional - can you post a link concerning his research? Functional can be more or less complex - for example the necessary 3-d fit of enzymes and receptors.

Bottom line: Proteins useful to life have to be informational, not just statistical. And, of course, one needs a translator molecule to 'read' and apply the information.
I have passed pages and pages reading you with your amino acids.

You did talk a lot and said nothing.

Where is life? You have showed amino acids but no life.

This is because your way of learning is "monkey see monkey do".

You have posted a very good amount of information but such is the only thing you have made.

Now, read what I'm going to tell you with attention: You are a complete ignorant.

First, obtaining knowledge won't make you an intelligent person. What is going to make you an intelligent person is applying the obtained knowledge to discover a new knowledge.

As far as I have read from your several posts, you have not given anything new, but just repeating and repeating the same amino acid hundreds of times.

Second, you have not a single idea of how life was formed.

Third, it is clear that God wants you to ignore the way he created life on earth.

The knowledge you have posted here is not even your knowledge but someone else's.

It is like you having a ton of gold in the middle of the desert and not a single way to move it, plus you have no more water.

The simple deduction from your posts is that you have not provided any guidance to finally we, humans, be capable to create life.

You simply said more ingredients are needed.

And I will tell you this, you can keep adding more amino acids and you will be like a boy adding more sand to his sand castle, and regardless of how much sand you keep adding, your sand castle will still being a sand castle and never an inhabitable building.

I will tell you more, not only you but all researchers looking for creating life are in the wrong path. And if you ask me if I know how life can be created, my answer is yes, I do have a good clue for such a task to be made.

This is why all your pages and pages full of babbling cause smiles. You play the scientist without using a proper method, and this is the cause of your failure.

To start, if you are a religious dude as you said you are, then, here, in front of everybody, repent of your silly arrogance. Yes, do it in front of the rest.

Then, regardless of what your religious denomination rules are, you follow God words and don't look to a different way. Be aware that God words are different than Jehovah Witness doctrines, so you follow God's rules.

You will be humiliated by others, and just in case, my words are not for humiliation purposes but guidance. Do not take me wrong.

From the bottom of your next status, beg for knowledge, but do it only after you have renounced to the false doctrines and started to follow God's rules.

And like David was exalted after being humiliated, it may come to happen you will finally obtain wisdom, but never before.

At this moment what impedes you to grow is your arrogance, you came here to show how much you know, and the message has been received. Now what?

That is the far as you can go.

You better give the credit to your god, the biblical god, in everything you have learned. Otherwise you will be trapped forever in your good for nothing knowledge.

Don't think I used the method I have advised you to follow (humiliation, repentance), I used a complete different method to be capable to see what others can't see. And I can see the path to create life with your amino acids, on the other hand you can't because you still are blind.

Wisdom will show you how laughable are the current beliefs you have when you follow the big bang theory, the evolution theory doctrines, relativity and more. Such entertainment is good to increase imagination but vain to obtain scientific knowledge.

You have obtained "intellect" but such won't take you anywhere. God wants you to be wise, so remember, discard your arrogance and start all over again.
 
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The methods of science make no appeals to supernaturalism. I understand your goal is to denigrate the methods of science, but using fear and superstition that is derived from your belief in the supernatural doesn't further that goal.

You are dismissing the fact that religious institutions have often been a yolk (sic) around the neck of science and discovery. I think people are vastly more tolerant about scientific truths today than they were say, 400 years ago. In large part that's because religion has been throttled by the secular institutions. Not too many weathermen being burned at the stake these days because they predict a solar eclipse or a drought.

The day of the Christian church being able to imprison or lop the head off a person of contradicts church dogma has come and gone.

James Bond, Friend, I put Hollie on Ignore because she cannot communicate without being extremely demeaning while demonstrating her ignorance. I read your quotation of her misuse of egg yolk and was amused, so I quoted you and her nonsense popped up. I'll address it.

Hollie the "yolker": religion has been throttled by the secular institutions.

America's Ivy League Colleges are perhaps the most prestigious in the country if not the world.
They all have Christian Charters. Therefore they are NOT "secular."
Please name a "secular institution" with a charter expressing its atheist foundations.

Hollie the "yolker": Not too many weathermen being burned at the stake these days because they predict a solar eclipse or a drought.

Tens of millions of Chinese and Soviet citizens were executed and starved by atheists Joseph Stalin and Chairman Mao. Millions more died because the Japanese worshipped Emperor Hirohito and Germans believed themselves to be the "superior race" as they were dictated by Adolph Hitler, who murdered Christians, millions of Jews and tens of millions of Russians. YOUR godless bunch has no regard for human life and that was much more recent than when the Church "lopped off heads."

Nonsense such as that is why she must be ignored as an utter waste of time.
 

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Science of the Bible



I graduated with a degree in chemical engineering, a science by any definition of the term. Therefore I understand, and subscribe to the tenets of the scientific method. If anything has given me an appreciation for the Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies* which make life possible, it is the objectivity engendered by my scientific background, coupled with common sense so often lacking in many highly educated people. It is completely anti-intellectual of the godless Left to denigrate Christians, often maliciously so. Calling Christians “fundies” and “believers in a flat earth” seems to give many people the perverse notion that they are erudite, and can consign us to the backwaters of ignorance. Just as Jesus overturned the tables of the money-changers in His Temple, so too is it my intention to overturn the tables of the intolerant Left with these personally written observations correlating science with its Creator.



Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


The Holy Bible was written more than 2000 years ago. In 1924, Edwin Hubble proved that the spiral nebula in the constellation Andromeda was a separate island universe, apart from the Milky Way. This extended the size and scale of our universe by many orders of magnitude. Then, after hearing Albert Einstein's theory of relativity, Georges Lemaître, an ordained Catholic priest, proposed the “primeval atom” in 1927 – in other words, the creation of the universe. This breathtaking advancement in scientific thinking came not from a pontificating atheist, claiming to have exclusive jurisdiction over truth and science, but rather from a devoted follower of the Creator of heaven and earth. Contrary to their pretensions, atheists do not possess the only key to discovery and knowledge.


In 1929, Fred Hubble discovered the Red Shift, eliminating any doubt that Lemaitre was right and Einstein wrong. Einstein had said to Lemaître , "your mathematics is correct but your physics is abominable." This phenomenon, Red Shift, shows that some galaxies are moving away from us at greater speeds than others, and that such velocities are proportional to their distance. This gave strong corroboration to the Big Bang theory of creation. The residual heat predicted in 1927 by Lemaître, and derisively dismissed by Albert Einstein, was later confirmed by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson who in 1965 discovered the residual background radiation which is a remnant of the Big Bang. Penzias and Wilson of course received the Nobel Prize for their discovery, which was accidental. The penning of Genesis 1:1 was not.


Prior to Lemaître’s radical proposal, scientists believed that the universe was eternal, that it had always been as we see it today. An inherent aspect of the Steady State Universe is the assumption that matter is continuously being created, somewhere, somehow. This passed for science, until it was disproved in the 1965 Astrophysical Journal.



So we see Twentieth Century confirmation of the profoundly deep science originally expressed in the first sentence of the first paragraph of the first book of the Bible, and scientifically advanced centuries later by a Catholic priest (A “Fundie,”as Christians are so snidely denigrated by atheists), before anyone else.


Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.




Modern chemistry could not have begun before 1802, when John Dalton formally provided experimental evidence that matter is composed of discrete atoms. Everything before this was mere speculation – guesswork. Nevertheless, it is clearly stated in Genesis that man is “formed of the dust of the ground”, which is to say, the same elements of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, iron, nitrogen, etc, that we find in . . . dust of the ground, minerals.


Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every foul of the air;


The same elements which form humans also form animals everywhere. However, there is no Biblical reference to “a living soul” with respect to animals. Nor do animals have the capacity to worship and appreciate the spirituality and hope that is one of the premier hallmarks of mankind, and our supreme bequest.


Genesis 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.


One would think that as a result of the disciplines and analyses and benefits the manmade invention of science has helped us to discover, mankind should have been able to eliminate corruption and violence so prevalent thousands of years ago. Today, we have tools of production and health and social enlightenment unimaginable when the book of Genesis was written. But the earth today is still full of corruption and violence. Cornucopias of goods and services have not satisfied mankind’s lust for more, nor have psychologists and sociologists resolved the complex issues that lead people into destructive behavior. With burgeoning prison populations, and monstrous acts of evil on the increase worldwide, there seems little hope that corruption and violence will ever be eradicated by secular science.


Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Although the North American Continent was unknown when the Bible was written, paleontologists confirm that the interior of North America was once covered by shallow seas. Fossil evidence from distant parts of the globe that were unknown to inhabitants of ancient Israel lends scientific confirmation to the Noachian Flood described in the most ancient book of science known to man, the Holy Bible. . I do not pretend to know the length of the six "days" of creation. However it is abundantly clear to me that the Elegance of Everything and the insuperable statistics of abiogenesis and the Anthropic Principle are eternally inexplicable by any exclusively naturalistic method. To those with eyes, God’s Hand is clearly visible everywhere one looks.


Exodus 3:14 I am hath sent me unto you.....


John 9:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.




The naturalistic, if you will, “scientific” approach to explaining how man and energy and matter and space originated is to examine what is observable, and formulate hypotheses and theories based on observation and reason. There is no scientific explanation for the origin of matter and energy and information at the Moment of Creation, the Singularity, and obviously no experiment can examine, much less confirm any hypothesis of what first happened to lead to us and everything we see.

In contrast, God defies scientific explanation because He is outside its purview. If miracles were scientifically explicable, they would not be miracles. After all, God created the physical realm that is the subject of scientific inquiry and we are still desperately trying to understand that aspect of His handiwork. Had mere mortals written where God came from without divine inspiration, they surely could not have presented such an elegant explanation as “I am” – an explanation that suffices even two thousand years later. Where did God come from? "I am." The universe is not eternal, but God is.


I have only a vague notion of how my computer works as I type this on it. Although I don’t know how it works, I do know that it is real and that it operates in a marvelous, almost magical way. I don’t need to understand things to believe in and use them. And how much more marvelous is my brain and yours than these primitive computers, not one of which designed, much less built itself.



Many people don’t realize that science basically involves assumptions and faith. Wonderful things in both science and religion come from our efforts based on observations, thoughtful assumptions, faith and logic. (With the findings of modern physics, it) seems extremely unlikely (that the existence of life and humanity are ) just accidental.” – Charles Townes, Nobel Laureate and Professor of Physics at UC Berkeley





Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.




Has anyone the slightest doubt as to how “empty” the North Pole is? Nobody living in the Middle East could possibly have visited “the north” so as to confirm what was then being written. These immutable scientific truths – two here in a single sentence - were far too coincidental to be attributable to luck. No, they were divinely inspired, as were so many things in the Bible. The earth truly hangs “upon nothing”, as confirmed by countless photographs from satellites and space stations, not to mention men on the moon, and the north is indeed an “empty place” by any measure.



Job 26:14 Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?



With all our wisdom, and all our science, and all our research, “who can understand” anything today. Ultimate scientific answers continue to elude us everywhere one looks ! The pretense is that all this magnificent science that we see and study arose from nothing, based solely on megatime and megauniverses. Insuperable statistical impossibilities are explained away with clever wordplay and nebulous theories – anything at all to deny the Hand of the Creator so evident to casual observers, of all educational backgrounds, and all nationalities, and all times. That is, except for those who will not see.


Job 28:5 As for the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire.



The molten iron core of the earth was inconceivable because it was not discoverable when this passage was written. “Under (earth) it is turned up as it were fire.”

Ah, some may say, “But there were volcanoes even then.” True enough. But are not volcanoes both isolated and rare, and not so much “under” the earth as above it? The molten core of the earth accords far better with this passage. Their scientific agreement is not coincidental, but rather Divinely inspired and guided.



Job 38:1,2 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said

Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?




How often one hears words uttered without knowledge by pretenders of science and enlightenment.



Job 38:24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?



The most learned scientist of antiquity could not have imagined the depth of this question. When light is "parted" by a diffraction grating, it can be shown to act both as particles as well as waves. These combinations of properties are difficult to understand much less explain. And the prodigious amounts of energy transmitted by solar radiation does indeed scatter the wind upon the earth as it heats different substances at different rates. Job could not have offered an adequate answer to the question, along the lines of: "Discrete photons of light travel together as a wave until parted into disparate visible components by striking and reflecting from solid objects into our eyes, while other wavelengths give up their energy as they are absorbed by solids and water. Temperature differentials established by ambient sunlight striking dissimilar surfaces create 'the east wind' so described."



Psalms 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.



NASA maintains a website which is updated daily. Its purpose, however unintended, is to “declare the glory of God” and to “show his handiwork.”



Astronomy Picture of the Day


How remarkable that so repetitive and well known a phenomenon as sunset can delight people of all ages, and all times, and all civilizations. How much more delightful are the glories and handiworks seen in national parks and sightseeing attractions worldwide, so many of which could scarcely have been known by the Bible’s authors. Nor had the first telescope been invented 2000 years ago. How is it that the more deeply we have seen, the more handiwork we have seen? How is it?



Psalms 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.



Mankind is indeed “fearfully and wonderfully made.” The sophistication of our construction begins at the atomic level with atoms that are one part in 10^17 nucleus and the rest empty space. Then consider our DNA, which is 45 trillion times more compact and efficient at data storage than today’s sophisticated computer microchips.



Our brains have the memory capacity of 100 billion megabytes, which far exceeds anything conceivably necessary from a “selection” point of view.



Our optic nerves transmit information at 4 gigabaud, which is 71,000 times faster than a dial up modem, and 1,000 times faster than an ultra-high speed T-1 line for a computer.

The human eye sees in exquisite detail, over about 13 orders of magnitude of light intensity. Although the eye is often said to be flawed in its design by Darwinists and atheists, I would very much like to see them replace a human eye with something better which they have designed and built from lab reagents.



Our ears hear over 13 orders of magnitude in sound intensity. Even more amazing, the ears perform a Fourier Analysis. In other words, our eardrums receive a single wave function at the eardrum. Then they break down this single wave function into its constituent sounds. For example, at a concert, your ears hear drums, brass, violins, solo arias, and the person behind you coughing, only because this blended noise is separated inside your ear. If your eyes performed a similar function, they would break down white just as a prism does, into disparate pure colors.



Finally, our two eyes enable us to discern distance (and relative size) by triangulation. Our brains automatically compute the angle of the object seen, and compute its approximate distance. Similarly, our two ears enable us to discern the direction from which noises emanate not only because we have two ears, but also because of the relatively slow speed of sound. A difference in the arrival time from one ear to another of one thousandth to one ten-thousandth of a second is sufficient to discern, so that we can tell generally where a sound originated. If sound were substantially faster, both our ears would hear the sound at about the same time, and we could not enjoy stereophonic music, nor tell where sounds came from.



In His wisdom, God made these velocities profoundly useful to us (as well, of course, as many, many other physical constants besides). They did not "evolve" to such values. And should they have been substantially different, say reversed, no evolutionary "modification" could possibly compensate to give us what we now have.



Biochemistry is so profoundly complex that we are only beginning to appreciate how “wonderfully” we are made. Human blood defies LeChatelier’s Principle, in that when one molecule of oxygen is adsorbed by a hemoglobin molecule, its affinity for oxygen grows, instead of diminishing. The second molecule increases the affinity for the third, and the third for the fourth. This is precisely the reverse of normal chemistry principles and experimental observations. Our bodies’ powers of endurance and healing are absolutely astounding.



The list of features of our wonderful construction begins with conception, continues through growth, and concludes with our spiritual transformations evidenced time and again by the scientific observations of such people as Elisabeth Kubler-Ross. Dr. Kubler-Ross documented hundreds of instances of scientific evidence of a spiritual nature. She convincingly testified that she could not be persuaded of any naturalistic (scientific) explanation for it.



Ecclesiastes 1:13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven;



“To seek out and search by wisdom” truth. This is the very fundamental definition of science.



Ecclesiastes 1:7 All rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence rivers come, thither they return again.



The cyclical nature of nature encompasses us. The water cycle is described only with utmost brevity in Ecclesiastes. Today we understand (considerably better than did Biblical authors) water and its importance in most chemical processes, as well as its profoundly fortuitous cyclical nature, as originally shown in the Bible. Beyond this, we can see and describe cycles of carbon, and nitrogen, and oxygen, and hydrogen. We are able to comprehend the nature of energy, and the conservation of not only energy, but also of matter itself. More complex by far is the transformation of matter into energy, which gives us sunlight continuously. Why should all these things be? And why so reliably? Why are chemical reactions so wonderfully and perfectly reversible? Why? For the same reason that we are “fearfully and wonderfully made”. For that reason. These Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies did not just fall into place with Megaluck over Megatime, as some scientists posit, their fingers crossed.



Ecclesiastes 2:13 Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness.


Again and again there are Biblical references to wisdom, prudence, diligence, and other virtues. The essence of science is the pursuit of truth, knowledge, and facts. However, wisdom requires more than mere knowledge. Wisdom requires the integration of scientific truths with far more virtuous conduct than the mere accretion of naturalism.

Hitler and Stalin appreciated the science of Darwinism for its atheistic implications, but of wisdom, they had none.


Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words;

What vain words? Atheists are "rational," "scientific," "intelligent." Atheists do not seek wisdom, but preach vanity. They claim God's design of the human body is fraught with flaws, and that they could have done a much better job. Vanity, condescension, pretension. These attributes have no place in any discussion of science.

Pride goeth before a fall. - Proverbs 16:18




Ecclesiastes 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.




Can you name even one aspect of our universe that is known “from the beginning to the end”? Research continues everywhere, with absolutely no end remotely in sight. Research at the subatomic level, at the molecular level, at the cellular level, at the human level, at the planetary level, and at the galactic level.

How is it that we don’t know everything about anything, if all that we see came about from nothing, as materialists contend? How is that possible? Infinite complexity from nothing is infinitely absurd and infinitely improbable. There is not the slightest scientific basis or law for their grand proposal. Profound organization and information and consistency and physical laws, originating…. HOW ! An infinite God makes spiritual sense. He is utterly beyond the purview of science - which is merely another of God’s brilliant creations. As to the mocking question of “Who made God,” Professor John Lennox of Cambridge University gives us the answer: “If anybody made God, then He wouldn’t be God, would He!” (See Lennox’ one hour lecture, “A Matter of Gravity” on YouTube.)



Two things are incomprehensible. First, the origin of everything from nothing, and second, God Himself, Who so wondrously explains and accounts for everything else. Everyone must choose his own incomprehensible option. The first is random and meaningless, literally and figuratively. The second option is elegant, beautiful, hopeful, and wonderful beyond understanding. This second option matches the creative genius that surrounds us.



Ecclesiastes 7:9 Reprove not a scorner lest he hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you.



Proverbs 9:8 Anger rests in the bosom of fools.




Try reproving an atheist and see how angry and hateful he is.


Proverbs 16:16 How much better is it to get wisdom than gold; and to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver.



Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.




Wisdom excelleth folly as far as light excelleth darkness. The Creator of mankind does not want anyone to be fooled; He does not wish that we be gullible, or duped by clever sounding words, whether they be from scientists wearing white robes, or priests wearing white robes. It is the essence of science to search for truth, and ask questions, and seek to answer them. Toward this end, we must acknowledge the extremely transitional nature of scientific “fact”, and the pretexts of contemporary scientific infallibility. Nowhere is the attempt to deceive us more malicious and destructive than when it seeks to deny the very existence of our Creator, and separate us from Him – permanently.



Forty percent of those listed in Who’s Who In Science acknowledge a personal belief in God. You must ask yourself why. Surely these people are not the fools that some scientific atheists accuse you and me of being.



John 3:11, 12 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.



If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?




The timeless veracity and wisdom of this statement is prophetic. After over two thousand years, what is often called the “myth” that is the Holy Bible, cannot remotely be discredited. To the contrary, the obvious and manifest benefits to mankind of Christianity have been repeatedly addressed by professionals in psychology, criminology, and other modern disciplines. The deep and abiding science, beginning with the first sentence in the first Book, is compelling testimony. For these reasons and more, Christianity is today the most popular human organization there has ever been. Yet many still “receive not our witness.” How can this be? Why will mankind not learn?



I Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.



Is there a more concise explanation of the scientific method? “Prove all things”? The essence of modern science is the proof of testable hypotheses, as scientists like to say. Such technique was proposed in the Scriptures which are mocked by so many who are proud of their lack of belief.







Hebrews 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.


This is confirmation of Genesis 1:1. Natural Theology, written in 1809 by William Paley, makes a similar argument from design. Just as a Boeing 747 can never be the product of an explosion in a junkyard, neither can the far more intricate construction of a human being be the ultimate product of random mutations, selectively but blindly “chosen.” See also www.2001Principle.net


Mark 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.




Although not strictly “scientific”, the foregoing verse demonstrates a profound economic truth notwithstanding the astonishing achievements of modern science. Had one the vision to see forward more than 2000 years to witness the abundance of food and material goods we now produce, surely one would have surmised that “the poor” would be no more than a relic of the ancient past. Not so. In fact, nowhere are “the poor” more common and more destitute than in socialist countries led by atheist despots.



Acts 17:26 (God) hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation.



Notwithstanding the vast differences in outward appearance of the peoples of the earth, from fair skinned Norwegians, to African pygmies, “all nations of men” are Homo sapiens. All humans can, within the constraints of blood typing, be transfused by the blood from men of “all nations.” This close biological relationship of mankind was cited before blood types and biological classifications were ever imagined.



John 18:37 Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?




Eighty-two percent of Americans believe that Jesus Christ was God, according to a survey taken by Princeton Survey Research Associates on Dec 2 and 3, 2004 for Newsweek Magazine. Jesus Christ said that people of the truth hear his voice. Today one especially hears atheists, most of them liberals, reply just as Pontius Pilate did two thousand years ago with a mockingly dishonest question: “What is truth?” when even a ten year old has the capacity to know what truth is. Some things never change.


Luke 21:33; Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.


Just as Genesis 1:1 foretold the scientific truth of the Big Bang, or as it is almost universally called today, “The Moment of Creation”, so too does the Gospel of Luke describe the passing away of matter. Stars like our own sun are consuming their own hydrogen, fusing it into helium, losing vast amounts of mass, and radiating that energy into the heavens. All starlight will eventually pass away, and the universe will ultimately become dark and absolutely cold (“heat death”), devoid of life as we know it. Numerous massive black holes have been indirectly observed. They attract matter and light into their domain, never to be seen again. Or so scientists thought before they once again changed their mind. It is now posited that Black Holes can radiate away energy, which is to say, mass. Even Black Holes seem to pass away.





The duration of primary elements of matter we call protons have a lifetime estimated to be 1033 years. The heaven and the earth shall pass into cold, dark oblivion, just as stated in the Holy Bible, a book ceaselessly mocked and ridiculed by the left. Thousands of years after the Bible said heaven and earth shall pass away, the Second Law of Thermodynamics simply repeated it, in the name of “science.” Universal heat death is the ultimate and final increase in entropy, or disorder. The origin of our universe as well as its demise were both described in an ancient book with astonishing precision. The universe has not always existed, as previously thought by scientists, nor was it assembled piecemeal. It was “created” with a Big Bang. The universe will not continue on forever, it will, it must pass away. These were not lucky guesses. They were inspirations from our Creator who wrote The Book, on life, on science, and on a meaningful life.

















* Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies, a term I invented, refers to the interrelated factors surrounding us that are utterly essential to life as Americans know and enjoy it.



First example: Oxygen happens to be one of the more reactive elements, and it exists in the most reactive phase, viz. gas. This dynamic equilibrium producing our essential breath of life is possible only because: 1. Reactions are reversible (how profoundly fortuitous!) and; 2. The reversibility of such reactions is, so far as we can tell, 100% and; 3. Natural laws are consistent and harmonious and discoverable, and; 4. Plants recycle oxygen from carbon dioxide, and water.



Second example: The sophisticated engineering of matter, constructed primarily out of three simple building blocks, electrons, protons, and neutrons, is evidenced by the fact that only one part in 10exp17 is matter, and the rest is empty space. Moreover these three foundational components can be combined with only slight variations to give us unique characteristics as found in metals, including high shear strength, malleability, ductility, high heat and electrical conductivity, profound availability, high melting points, and other features without which there could be no airplanes, cars, or even internal combustion engines. As essential as metals** are to internal combustion engines, they would be virtually worthless without hydrocarbons to burn in them, which hydrocarbons just happen to be available in wondrous, underground storage tanks, to be refined and used worldwide.

But without oxygen, and without its dispersal throughout our atmosphere, there could be no cars, no plane rides to faraway places, and no fires, even inside engines. Fire, a simple chemical reaction we have always taken for granted, is but one of the countless Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies.



** In contrast to water, plastic, glass, and fused quartz, which transmit light with near perfection, unlike metals.

One of the problems shared by religious extremists is their need to pretend their holy texts are science texts.

Perfect example of what's wrong with religion. California says they are going to extend the stay at home till July. But Churches in California say they are going to open up again May 31st.

I think religions are freaking out because the longer people stay away from church the more they get used to not going to church.

Now I'm sure a lot of people can't wait to get back to socializing too.
 

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I graduated with a degree in chemical engineering, a science by any definition of the term. Therefore I understand, and subscribe to the tenets of the scientific method. If anything has given me an appreciation for the Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies* which make life possible, it is the objectivity engendered by my scientific background, coupled with common sense so often lacking in many highly educated people. It is completely anti-intellectual of the godless Left to denigrate Christians, often maliciously so. Calling Christians “fundies” and “believers in a flat earth” seems to give many people the perverse notion that they are erudite, and can consign us to the backwaters of ignorance. Just as Jesus overturned the tables of the money-changers in His Temple, so too is it my intention to overturn the tables of the intolerant Left with these personally written observations correlating science with its Creator.



Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


The Holy Bible was written more than 2000 years ago. In 1924, Edwin Hubble proved that the spiral nebula in the constellation Andromeda was a separate island universe, apart from the Milky Way. This extended the size and scale of our universe by many orders of magnitude. Then, after hearing Albert Einstein's theory of relativity, Georges Lemaître, an ordained Catholic priest, proposed the “primeval atom” in 1927 – in other words, the creation of the universe. This breathtaking advancement in scientific thinking came not from a pontificating atheist, claiming to have exclusive jurisdiction over truth and science, but rather from a devoted follower of the Creator of heaven and earth. Contrary to their pretensions, atheists do not possess the only key to discovery and knowledge.


In 1929, Fred Hubble discovered the Red Shift, eliminating any doubt that Lemaitre was right and Einstein wrong. Einstein had said to Lemaître , "your mathematics is correct but your physics is abominable." This phenomenon, Red Shift, shows that some galaxies are moving away from us at greater speeds than others, and that such velocities are proportional to their distance. This gave strong corroboration to the Big Bang theory of creation. The residual heat predicted in 1927 by Lemaître, and derisively dismissed by Albert Einstein, was later confirmed by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson who in 1965 discovered the residual background radiation which is a remnant of the Big Bang. Penzias and Wilson of course received the Nobel Prize for their discovery, which was accidental. The penning of Genesis 1:1 was not.


Prior to Lemaître’s radical proposal, scientists believed that the universe was eternal, that it had always been as we see it today. An inherent aspect of the Steady State Universe is the assumption that matter is continuously being created, somewhere, somehow. This passed for science, until it was disproved in the 1965 Astrophysical Journal.



So we see Twentieth Century confirmation of the profoundly deep science originally expressed in the first sentence of the first paragraph of the first book of the Bible, and scientifically advanced centuries later by a Catholic priest (A “Fundie,”as Christians are so snidely denigrated by atheists), before anyone else.


Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.




Modern chemistry could not have begun before 1802, when John Dalton formally provided experimental evidence that matter is composed of discrete atoms. Everything before this was mere speculation – guesswork. Nevertheless, it is clearly stated in Genesis that man is “formed of the dust of the ground”, which is to say, the same elements of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, iron, nitrogen, etc, that we find in . . . dust of the ground, minerals.


Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every foul of the air;


The same elements which form humans also form animals everywhere. However, there is no Biblical reference to “a living soul” with respect to animals. Nor do animals have the capacity to worship and appreciate the spirituality and hope that is one of the premier hallmarks of mankind, and our supreme bequest.


Genesis 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.


One would think that as a result of the disciplines and analyses and benefits the manmade invention of science has helped us to discover, mankind should have been able to eliminate corruption and violence so prevalent thousands of years ago. Today, we have tools of production and health and social enlightenment unimaginable when the book of Genesis was written. But the earth today is still full of corruption and violence. Cornucopias of goods and services have not satisfied mankind’s lust for more, nor have psychologists and sociologists resolved the complex issues that lead people into destructive behavior. With burgeoning prison populations, and monstrous acts of evil on the increase worldwide, there seems little hope that corruption and violence will ever be eradicated by secular science.


Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Although the North American Continent was unknown when the Bible was written, paleontologists confirm that the interior of North America was once covered by shallow seas. Fossil evidence from distant parts of the globe that were unknown to inhabitants of ancient Israel lends scientific confirmation to the Noachian Flood described in the most ancient book of science known to man, the Holy Bible. . I do not pretend to know the length of the six "days" of creation. However it is abundantly clear to me that the Elegance of Everything and the insuperable statistics of abiogenesis and the Anthropic Principle are eternally inexplicable by any exclusively naturalistic method. To those with eyes, God’s Hand is clearly visible everywhere one looks.


Exodus 3:14 I am hath sent me unto you.....


John 9:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.




The naturalistic, if you will, “scientific” approach to explaining how man and energy and matter and space originated is to examine what is observable, and formulate hypotheses and theories based on observation and reason. There is no scientific explanation for the origin of matter and energy and information at the Moment of Creation, the Singularity, and obviously no experiment can examine, much less confirm any hypothesis of what first happened to lead to us and everything we see.

In contrast, God defies scientific explanation because He is outside its purview. If miracles were scientifically explicable, they would not be miracles. After all, God created the physical realm that is the subject of scientific inquiry and we are still desperately trying to understand that aspect of His handiwork. Had mere mortals written where God came from without divine inspiration, they surely could not have presented such an elegant explanation as “I am” – an explanation that suffices even two thousand years later. Where did God come from? "I am." The universe is not eternal, but God is.


I have only a vague notion of how my computer works as I type this on it. Although I don’t know how it works, I do know that it is real and that it operates in a marvelous, almost magical way. I don’t need to understand things to believe in and use them. And how much more marvelous is my brain and yours than these primitive computers, not one of which designed, much less built itself.



Many people don’t realize that science basically involves assumptions and faith. Wonderful things in both science and religion come from our efforts based on observations, thoughtful assumptions, faith and logic. (With the findings of modern physics, it) seems extremely unlikely (that the existence of life and humanity are ) just accidental.” – Charles Townes, Nobel Laureate and Professor of Physics at UC Berkeley





Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.




Has anyone the slightest doubt as to how “empty” the North Pole is? Nobody living in the Middle East could possibly have visited “the north” so as to confirm what was then being written. These immutable scientific truths – two here in a single sentence - were far too coincidental to be attributable to luck. No, they were divinely inspired, as were so many things in the Bible. The earth truly hangs “upon nothing”, as confirmed by countless photographs from satellites and space stations, not to mention men on the moon, and the north is indeed an “empty place” by any measure.



Job 26:14 Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?



With all our wisdom, and all our science, and all our research, “who can understand” anything today. Ultimate scientific answers continue to elude us everywhere one looks ! The pretense is that all this magnificent science that we see and study arose from nothing, based solely on megatime and megauniverses. Insuperable statistical impossibilities are explained away with clever wordplay and nebulous theories – anything at all to deny the Hand of the Creator so evident to casual observers, of all educational backgrounds, and all nationalities, and all times. That is, except for those who will not see.


Job 28:5 As for the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire.



The molten iron core of the earth was inconceivable because it was not discoverable when this passage was written. “Under (earth) it is turned up as it were fire.”

Ah, some may say, “But there were volcanoes even then.” True enough. But are not volcanoes both isolated and rare, and not so much “under” the earth as above it? The molten core of the earth accords far better with this passage. Their scientific agreement is not coincidental, but rather Divinely inspired and guided.



Job 38:1,2 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said

Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?




How often one hears words uttered without knowledge by pretenders of science and enlightenment.



Job 38:24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?



The most learned scientist of antiquity could not have imagined the depth of this question. When light is "parted" by a diffraction grating, it can be shown to act both as particles as well as waves. These combinations of properties are difficult to understand much less explain. And the prodigious amounts of energy transmitted by solar radiation does indeed scatter the wind upon the earth as it heats different substances at different rates. Job could not have offered an adequate answer to the question, along the lines of: "Discrete photons of light travel together as a wave until parted into disparate visible components by striking and reflecting from solid objects into our eyes, while other wavelengths give up their energy as they are absorbed by solids and water. Temperature differentials established by ambient sunlight striking dissimilar surfaces create 'the east wind' so described."



Psalms 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.



NASA maintains a website which is updated daily. Its purpose, however unintended, is to “declare the glory of God” and to “show his handiwork.”



Astronomy Picture of the Day


How remarkable that so repetitive and well known a phenomenon as sunset can delight people of all ages, and all times, and all civilizations. How much more delightful are the glories and handiworks seen in national parks and sightseeing attractions worldwide, so many of which could scarcely have been known by the Bible’s authors. Nor had the first telescope been invented 2000 years ago. How is it that the more deeply we have seen, the more handiwork we have seen? How is it?



Psalms 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.



Mankind is indeed “fearfully and wonderfully made.” The sophistication of our construction begins at the atomic level with atoms that are one part in 10^17 nucleus and the rest empty space. Then consider our DNA, which is 45 trillion times more compact and efficient at data storage than today’s sophisticated computer microchips.



Our brains have the memory capacity of 100 billion megabytes, which far exceeds anything conceivably necessary from a “selection” point of view.



Our optic nerves transmit information at 4 gigabaud, which is 71,000 times faster than a dial up modem, and 1,000 times faster than an ultra-high speed T-1 line for a computer.

The human eye sees in exquisite detail, over about 13 orders of magnitude of light intensity. Although the eye is often said to be flawed in its design by Darwinists and atheists, I would very much like to see them replace a human eye with something better which they have designed and built from lab reagents.



Our ears hear over 13 orders of magnitude in sound intensity. Even more amazing, the ears perform a Fourier Analysis. In other words, our eardrums receive a single wave function at the eardrum. Then they break down this single wave function into its constituent sounds. For example, at a concert, your ears hear drums, brass, violins, solo arias, and the person behind you coughing, only because this blended noise is separated inside your ear. If your eyes performed a similar function, they would break down white just as a prism does, into disparate pure colors.



Finally, our two eyes enable us to discern distance (and relative size) by triangulation. Our brains automatically compute the angle of the object seen, and compute its approximate distance. Similarly, our two ears enable us to discern the direction from which noises emanate not only because we have two ears, but also because of the relatively slow speed of sound. A difference in the arrival time from one ear to another of one thousandth to one ten-thousandth of a second is sufficient to discern, so that we can tell generally where a sound originated. If sound were substantially faster, both our ears would hear the sound at about the same time, and we could not enjoy stereophonic music, nor tell where sounds came from.



In His wisdom, God made these velocities profoundly useful to us (as well, of course, as many, many other physical constants besides). They did not "evolve" to such values. And should they have been substantially different, say reversed, no evolutionary "modification" could possibly compensate to give us what we now have.



Biochemistry is so profoundly complex that we are only beginning to appreciate how “wonderfully” we are made. Human blood defies LeChatelier’s Principle, in that when one molecule of oxygen is adsorbed by a hemoglobin molecule, its affinity for oxygen grows, instead of diminishing. The second molecule increases the affinity for the third, and the third for the fourth. This is precisely the reverse of normal chemistry principles and experimental observations. Our bodies’ powers of endurance and healing are absolutely astounding.



The list of features of our wonderful construction begins with conception, continues through growth, and concludes with our spiritual transformations evidenced time and again by the scientific observations of such people as Elisabeth Kubler-Ross. Dr. Kubler-Ross documented hundreds of instances of scientific evidence of a spiritual nature. She convincingly testified that she could not be persuaded of any naturalistic (scientific) explanation for it.



Ecclesiastes 1:13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven;



“To seek out and search by wisdom” truth. This is the very fundamental definition of science.



Ecclesiastes 1:7 All rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence rivers come, thither they return again.



The cyclical nature of nature encompasses us. The water cycle is described only with utmost brevity in Ecclesiastes. Today we understand (considerably better than did Biblical authors) water and its importance in most chemical processes, as well as its profoundly fortuitous cyclical nature, as originally shown in the Bible. Beyond this, we can see and describe cycles of carbon, and nitrogen, and oxygen, and hydrogen. We are able to comprehend the nature of energy, and the conservation of not only energy, but also of matter itself. More complex by far is the transformation of matter into energy, which gives us sunlight continuously. Why should all these things be? And why so reliably? Why are chemical reactions so wonderfully and perfectly reversible? Why? For the same reason that we are “fearfully and wonderfully made”. For that reason. These Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies did not just fall into place with Megaluck over Megatime, as some scientists posit, their fingers crossed.



Ecclesiastes 2:13 Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness.


Again and again there are Biblical references to wisdom, prudence, diligence, and other virtues. The essence of science is the pursuit of truth, knowledge, and facts. However, wisdom requires more than mere knowledge. Wisdom requires the integration of scientific truths with far more virtuous conduct than the mere accretion of naturalism.

Hitler and Stalin appreciated the science of Darwinism for its atheistic implications, but of wisdom, they had none.


Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words;

What vain words? Atheists are "rational," "scientific," "intelligent." Atheists do not seek wisdom, but preach vanity. They claim God's design of the human body is fraught with flaws, and that they could have done a much better job. Vanity, condescension, pretension. These attributes have no place in any discussion of science.

Pride goeth before a fall. - Proverbs 16:18




Ecclesiastes 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.




Can you name even one aspect of our universe that is known “from the beginning to the end”? Research continues everywhere, with absolutely no end remotely in sight. Research at the subatomic level, at the molecular level, at the cellular level, at the human level, at the planetary level, and at the galactic level.

How is it that we don’t know everything about anything, if all that we see came about from nothing, as materialists contend? How is that possible? Infinite complexity from nothing is infinitely absurd and infinitely improbable. There is not the slightest scientific basis or law for their grand proposal. Profound organization and information and consistency and physical laws, originating…. HOW ! An infinite God makes spiritual sense. He is utterly beyond the purview of science - which is merely another of God’s brilliant creations. As to the mocking question of “Who made God,” Professor John Lennox of Cambridge University gives us the answer: “If anybody made God, then He wouldn’t be God, would He!” (See Lennox’ one hour lecture, “A Matter of Gravity” on YouTube.)



Two things are incomprehensible. First, the origin of everything from nothing, and second, God Himself, Who so wondrously explains and accounts for everything else. Everyone must choose his own incomprehensible option. The first is random and meaningless, literally and figuratively. The second option is elegant, beautiful, hopeful, and wonderful beyond understanding. This second option matches the creative genius that surrounds us.



Ecclesiastes 7:9 Reprove not a scorner lest he hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you.



Proverbs 9:8 Anger rests in the bosom of fools.




Try reproving an atheist and see how angry and hateful he is.


Proverbs 16:16 How much better is it to get wisdom than gold; and to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver.



Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.




Wisdom excelleth folly as far as light excelleth darkness. The Creator of mankind does not want anyone to be fooled; He does not wish that we be gullible, or duped by clever sounding words, whether they be from scientists wearing white robes, or priests wearing white robes. It is the essence of science to search for truth, and ask questions, and seek to answer them. Toward this end, we must acknowledge the extremely transitional nature of scientific “fact”, and the pretexts of contemporary scientific infallibility. Nowhere is the attempt to deceive us more malicious and destructive than when it seeks to deny the very existence of our Creator, and separate us from Him – permanently.



Forty percent of those listed in Who’s Who In Science acknowledge a personal belief in God. You must ask yourself why. Surely these people are not the fools that some scientific atheists accuse you and me of being.



John 3:11, 12 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.



If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?




The timeless veracity and wisdom of this statement is prophetic. After over two thousand years, what is often called the “myth” that is the Holy Bible, cannot remotely be discredited. To the contrary, the obvious and manifest benefits to mankind of Christianity have been repeatedly addressed by professionals in psychology, criminology, and other modern disciplines. The deep and abiding science, beginning with the first sentence in the first Book, is compelling testimony. For these reasons and more, Christianity is today the most popular human organization there has ever been. Yet many still “receive not our witness.” How can this be? Why will mankind not learn?



I Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.



Is there a more concise explanation of the scientific method? “Prove all things”? The essence of modern science is the proof of testable hypotheses, as scientists like to say. Such technique was proposed in the Scriptures which are mocked by so many who are proud of their lack of belief.







Hebrews 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.


This is confirmation of Genesis 1:1. Natural Theology, written in 1809 by William Paley, makes a similar argument from design. Just as a Boeing 747 can never be the product of an explosion in a junkyard, neither can the far more intricate construction of a human being be the ultimate product of random mutations, selectively but blindly “chosen.” See also www.2001Principle.net


Mark 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.




Although not strictly “scientific”, the foregoing verse demonstrates a profound economic truth notwithstanding the astonishing achievements of modern science. Had one the vision to see forward more than 2000 years to witness the abundance of food and material goods we now produce, surely one would have surmised that “the poor” would be no more than a relic of the ancient past. Not so. In fact, nowhere are “the poor” more common and more destitute than in socialist countries led by atheist despots.



Acts 17:26 (God) hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation.



Notwithstanding the vast differences in outward appearance of the peoples of the earth, from fair skinned Norwegians, to African pygmies, “all nations of men” are Homo sapiens. All humans can, within the constraints of blood typing, be transfused by the blood from men of “all nations.” This close biological relationship of mankind was cited before blood types and biological classifications were ever imagined.



John 18:37 Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?




Eighty-two percent of Americans believe that Jesus Christ was God, according to a survey taken by Princeton Survey Research Associates on Dec 2 and 3, 2004 for Newsweek Magazine. Jesus Christ said that people of the truth hear his voice. Today one especially hears atheists, most of them liberals, reply just as Pontius Pilate did two thousand years ago with a mockingly dishonest question: “What is truth?” when even a ten year old has the capacity to know what truth is. Some things never change.


Luke 21:33; Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.


Just as Genesis 1:1 foretold the scientific truth of the Big Bang, or as it is almost universally called today, “The Moment of Creation”, so too does the Gospel of Luke describe the passing away of matter. Stars like our own sun are consuming their own hydrogen, fusing it into helium, losing vast amounts of mass, and radiating that energy into the heavens. All starlight will eventually pass away, and the universe will ultimately become dark and absolutely cold (“heat death”), devoid of life as we know it. Numerous massive black holes have been indirectly observed. They attract matter and light into their domain, never to be seen again. Or so scientists thought before they once again changed their mind. It is now posited that Black Holes can radiate away energy, which is to say, mass. Even Black Holes seem to pass away.





The duration of primary elements of matter we call protons have a lifetime estimated to be 1033 years. The heaven and the earth shall pass into cold, dark oblivion, just as stated in the Holy Bible, a book ceaselessly mocked and ridiculed by the left. Thousands of years after the Bible said heaven and earth shall pass away, the Second Law of Thermodynamics simply repeated it, in the name of “science.” Universal heat death is the ultimate and final increase in entropy, or disorder. The origin of our universe as well as its demise were both described in an ancient book with astonishing precision. The universe has not always existed, as previously thought by scientists, nor was it assembled piecemeal. It was “created” with a Big Bang. The universe will not continue on forever, it will, it must pass away. These were not lucky guesses. They were inspirations from our Creator who wrote The Book, on life, on science, and on a meaningful life.

















* Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies, a term I invented, refers to the interrelated factors surrounding us that are utterly essential to life as Americans know and enjoy it.



First example: Oxygen happens to be one of the more reactive elements, and it exists in the most reactive phase, viz. gas. This dynamic equilibrium producing our essential breath of life is possible only because: 1. Reactions are reversible (how profoundly fortuitous!) and; 2. The reversibility of such reactions is, so far as we can tell, 100% and; 3. Natural laws are consistent and harmonious and discoverable, and; 4. Plants recycle oxygen from carbon dioxide, and water.



Second example: The sophisticated engineering of matter, constructed primarily out of three simple building blocks, electrons, protons, and neutrons, is evidenced by the fact that only one part in 10exp17 is matter, and the rest is empty space. Moreover these three foundational components can be combined with only slight variations to give us unique characteristics as found in metals, including high shear strength, malleability, ductility, high heat and electrical conductivity, profound availability, high melting points, and other features without which there could be no airplanes, cars, or even internal combustion engines. As essential as metals** are to internal combustion engines, they would be virtually worthless without hydrocarbons to burn in them, which hydrocarbons just happen to be available in wondrous, underground storage tanks, to be refined and used worldwide.

But without oxygen, and without its dispersal throughout our atmosphere, there could be no cars, no plane rides to faraway places, and no fires, even inside engines. Fire, a simple chemical reaction we have always taken for granted, is but one of the countless Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies.



** In contrast to water, plastic, glass, and fused quartz, which transmit light with near perfection, unlike metals.

One of the problems shared by religious extremists is their need to pretend their holy texts are science texts.

Perfect example of what's wrong with religion. California says they are going to extend the stay at home till July. But Churches in California say they are going to open up again May 31st.

I think religions are freaking out because the longer people stay away from church the more they get used to not going to church.

Now I'm sure a lot of people can't wait to get back to socializing too.
It don't matter when we open back up. The infections will spike again.

I'm glad I am retiring at the end of the year. I doubt I will go back into the office ever again.

The economy is going into the shitter. You'll probably get laid off. Now might be a good time for you to learn how to start praying.
 

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The methods of science make no appeals to supernaturalism. I understand your goal is to denigrate the methods of science, but using fear and superstition that is derived from your belief in the supernatural doesn't further that goal.

You are dismissing the fact that religious institutions have often been a yolk (sic) around the neck of science and discovery. I think people are vastly more tolerant about scientific truths today than they were say, 400 years ago. In large part that's because religion has been throttled by the secular institutions. Not too many weathermen being burned at the stake these days because they predict a solar eclipse or a drought.

The day of the Christian church being able to imprison or lop the head off a person of contradicts church dogma has come and gone.

James Bond, Friend, I put Hollie on Ignore because she cannot communicate without being extremely demeaning while demonstrating her ignorance. I read your quotation of her misuse of egg yolk and was amused, so I quoted you and her nonsense popped up. I'll address it.

Hollie the "yolker": religion has been throttled by the secular institutions.

America's Ivy League Colleges are perhaps the most prestigious in the country if not the world.
They all have Christian Charters. Therefore they are NOT "secular."
Please name a "secular institution" with a charter expressing its atheist foundations.

Hollie the "yolker": Not too many weathermen being burned at the stake these days because they predict a solar eclipse or a drought.

Tens of millions of Chinese and Soviet citizens were executed and starved by atheists Joseph Stalin and Chairman Mao. Millions more died because the Japanese worshipped Emperor Hirohito and Germans believed themselves to be the "superior race" as they were dictated by Adolph Hitler, who murdered Christians, millions of Jews and tens of millions of Russians. YOUR godless bunch has no regard for human life and that was much more recent than when the Church "lopped off heads."

Nonsense such as that is why she must be ignored as an utter waste of time.
Actually, you put Hollie on ignore because she challenged the specious opinions you couldn't defend. As you're addressing Hollie now, obviously, you don't have Hollie on ignore.

If you're looking for an "ouch" contest with your heroes in the oppressive communist regimes, I could provide you with a tally of those slaughtered by religions, but then, you would just retreat to your safe zone of fear and ignorance.
 

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Science of the Bible



I graduated with a degree in chemical engineering, a science by any definition of the term. Therefore I understand, and subscribe to the tenets of the scientific method. If anything has given me an appreciation for the Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies* which make life possible, it is the objectivity engendered by my scientific background, coupled with common sense so often lacking in many highly educated people. It is completely anti-intellectual of the godless Left to denigrate Christians, often maliciously so. Calling Christians “fundies” and “believers in a flat earth” seems to give many people the perverse notion that they are erudite, and can consign us to the backwaters of ignorance. Just as Jesus overturned the tables of the money-changers in His Temple, so too is it my intention to overturn the tables of the intolerant Left with these personally written observations correlating science with its Creator.



Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


The Holy Bible was written more than 2000 years ago. In 1924, Edwin Hubble proved that the spiral nebula in the constellation Andromeda was a separate island universe, apart from the Milky Way. This extended the size and scale of our universe by many orders of magnitude. Then, after hearing Albert Einstein's theory of relativity, Georges Lemaître, an ordained Catholic priest, proposed the “primeval atom” in 1927 – in other words, the creation of the universe. This breathtaking advancement in scientific thinking came not from a pontificating atheist, claiming to have exclusive jurisdiction over truth and science, but rather from a devoted follower of the Creator of heaven and earth. Contrary to their pretensions, atheists do not possess the only key to discovery and knowledge.


In 1929, Fred Hubble discovered the Red Shift, eliminating any doubt that Lemaitre was right and Einstein wrong. Einstein had said to Lemaître , "your mathematics is correct but your physics is abominable." This phenomenon, Red Shift, shows that some galaxies are moving away from us at greater speeds than others, and that such velocities are proportional to their distance. This gave strong corroboration to the Big Bang theory of creation. The residual heat predicted in 1927 by Lemaître, and derisively dismissed by Albert Einstein, was later confirmed by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson who in 1965 discovered the residual background radiation which is a remnant of the Big Bang. Penzias and Wilson of course received the Nobel Prize for their discovery, which was accidental. The penning of Genesis 1:1 was not.


Prior to Lemaître’s radical proposal, scientists believed that the universe was eternal, that it had always been as we see it today. An inherent aspect of the Steady State Universe is the assumption that matter is continuously being created, somewhere, somehow. This passed for science, until it was disproved in the 1965 Astrophysical Journal.



So we see Twentieth Century confirmation of the profoundly deep science originally expressed in the first sentence of the first paragraph of the first book of the Bible, and scientifically advanced centuries later by a Catholic priest (A “Fundie,”as Christians are so snidely denigrated by atheists), before anyone else.


Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.




Modern chemistry could not have begun before 1802, when John Dalton formally provided experimental evidence that matter is composed of discrete atoms. Everything before this was mere speculation – guesswork. Nevertheless, it is clearly stated in Genesis that man is “formed of the dust of the ground”, which is to say, the same elements of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, iron, nitrogen, etc, that we find in . . . dust of the ground, minerals.


Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every foul of the air;


The same elements which form humans also form animals everywhere. However, there is no Biblical reference to “a living soul” with respect to animals. Nor do animals have the capacity to worship and appreciate the spirituality and hope that is one of the premier hallmarks of mankind, and our supreme bequest.


Genesis 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.


One would think that as a result of the disciplines and analyses and benefits the manmade invention of science has helped us to discover, mankind should have been able to eliminate corruption and violence so prevalent thousands of years ago. Today, we have tools of production and health and social enlightenment unimaginable when the book of Genesis was written. But the earth today is still full of corruption and violence. Cornucopias of goods and services have not satisfied mankind’s lust for more, nor have psychologists and sociologists resolved the complex issues that lead people into destructive behavior. With burgeoning prison populations, and monstrous acts of evil on the increase worldwide, there seems little hope that corruption and violence will ever be eradicated by secular science.


Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Although the North American Continent was unknown when the Bible was written, paleontologists confirm that the interior of North America was once covered by shallow seas. Fossil evidence from distant parts of the globe that were unknown to inhabitants of ancient Israel lends scientific confirmation to the Noachian Flood described in the most ancient book of science known to man, the Holy Bible. . I do not pretend to know the length of the six "days" of creation. However it is abundantly clear to me that the Elegance of Everything and the insuperable statistics of abiogenesis and the Anthropic Principle are eternally inexplicable by any exclusively naturalistic method. To those with eyes, God’s Hand is clearly visible everywhere one looks.


Exodus 3:14 I am hath sent me unto you.....


John 9:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.




The naturalistic, if you will, “scientific” approach to explaining how man and energy and matter and space originated is to examine what is observable, and formulate hypotheses and theories based on observation and reason. There is no scientific explanation for the origin of matter and energy and information at the Moment of Creation, the Singularity, and obviously no experiment can examine, much less confirm any hypothesis of what first happened to lead to us and everything we see.

In contrast, God defies scientific explanation because He is outside its purview. If miracles were scientifically explicable, they would not be miracles. After all, God created the physical realm that is the subject of scientific inquiry and we are still desperately trying to understand that aspect of His handiwork. Had mere mortals written where God came from without divine inspiration, they surely could not have presented such an elegant explanation as “I am” – an explanation that suffices even two thousand years later. Where did God come from? "I am." The universe is not eternal, but God is.


I have only a vague notion of how my computer works as I type this on it. Although I don’t know how it works, I do know that it is real and that it operates in a marvelous, almost magical way. I don’t need to understand things to believe in and use them. And how much more marvelous is my brain and yours than these primitive computers, not one of which designed, much less built itself.



Many people don’t realize that science basically involves assumptions and faith. Wonderful things in both science and religion come from our efforts based on observations, thoughtful assumptions, faith and logic. (With the findings of modern physics, it) seems extremely unlikely (that the existence of life and humanity are ) just accidental.” – Charles Townes, Nobel Laureate and Professor of Physics at UC Berkeley





Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.




Has anyone the slightest doubt as to how “empty” the North Pole is? Nobody living in the Middle East could possibly have visited “the north” so as to confirm what was then being written. These immutable scientific truths – two here in a single sentence - were far too coincidental to be attributable to luck. No, they were divinely inspired, as were so many things in the Bible. The earth truly hangs “upon nothing”, as confirmed by countless photographs from satellites and space stations, not to mention men on the moon, and the north is indeed an “empty place” by any measure.



Job 26:14 Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?



With all our wisdom, and all our science, and all our research, “who can understand” anything today. Ultimate scientific answers continue to elude us everywhere one looks ! The pretense is that all this magnificent science that we see and study arose from nothing, based solely on megatime and megauniverses. Insuperable statistical impossibilities are explained away with clever wordplay and nebulous theories – anything at all to deny the Hand of the Creator so evident to casual observers, of all educational backgrounds, and all nationalities, and all times. That is, except for those who will not see.


Job 28:5 As for the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire.



The molten iron core of the earth was inconceivable because it was not discoverable when this passage was written. “Under (earth) it is turned up as it were fire.”

Ah, some may say, “But there were volcanoes even then.” True enough. But are not volcanoes both isolated and rare, and not so much “under” the earth as above it? The molten core of the earth accords far better with this passage. Their scientific agreement is not coincidental, but rather Divinely inspired and guided.



Job 38:1,2 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said

Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?




How often one hears words uttered without knowledge by pretenders of science and enlightenment.



Job 38:24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?



The most learned scientist of antiquity could not have imagined the depth of this question. When light is "parted" by a diffraction grating, it can be shown to act both as particles as well as waves. These combinations of properties are difficult to understand much less explain. And the prodigious amounts of energy transmitted by solar radiation does indeed scatter the wind upon the earth as it heats different substances at different rates. Job could not have offered an adequate answer to the question, along the lines of: "Discrete photons of light travel together as a wave until parted into disparate visible components by striking and reflecting from solid objects into our eyes, while other wavelengths give up their energy as they are absorbed by solids and water. Temperature differentials established by ambient sunlight striking dissimilar surfaces create 'the east wind' so described."



Psalms 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.



NASA maintains a website which is updated daily. Its purpose, however unintended, is to “declare the glory of God” and to “show his handiwork.”



Astronomy Picture of the Day


How remarkable that so repetitive and well known a phenomenon as sunset can delight people of all ages, and all times, and all civilizations. How much more delightful are the glories and handiworks seen in national parks and sightseeing attractions worldwide, so many of which could scarcely have been known by the Bible’s authors. Nor had the first telescope been invented 2000 years ago. How is it that the more deeply we have seen, the more handiwork we have seen? How is it?



Psalms 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.



Mankind is indeed “fearfully and wonderfully made.” The sophistication of our construction begins at the atomic level with atoms that are one part in 10^17 nucleus and the rest empty space. Then consider our DNA, which is 45 trillion times more compact and efficient at data storage than today’s sophisticated computer microchips.



Our brains have the memory capacity of 100 billion megabytes, which far exceeds anything conceivably necessary from a “selection” point of view.



Our optic nerves transmit information at 4 gigabaud, which is 71,000 times faster than a dial up modem, and 1,000 times faster than an ultra-high speed T-1 line for a computer.

The human eye sees in exquisite detail, over about 13 orders of magnitude of light intensity. Although the eye is often said to be flawed in its design by Darwinists and atheists, I would very much like to see them replace a human eye with something better which they have designed and built from lab reagents.



Our ears hear over 13 orders of magnitude in sound intensity. Even more amazing, the ears perform a Fourier Analysis. In other words, our eardrums receive a single wave function at the eardrum. Then they break down this single wave function into its constituent sounds. For example, at a concert, your ears hear drums, brass, violins, solo arias, and the person behind you coughing, only because this blended noise is separated inside your ear. If your eyes performed a similar function, they would break down white just as a prism does, into disparate pure colors.



Finally, our two eyes enable us to discern distance (and relative size) by triangulation. Our brains automatically compute the angle of the object seen, and compute its approximate distance. Similarly, our two ears enable us to discern the direction from which noises emanate not only because we have two ears, but also because of the relatively slow speed of sound. A difference in the arrival time from one ear to another of one thousandth to one ten-thousandth of a second is sufficient to discern, so that we can tell generally where a sound originated. If sound were substantially faster, both our ears would hear the sound at about the same time, and we could not enjoy stereophonic music, nor tell where sounds came from.



In His wisdom, God made these velocities profoundly useful to us (as well, of course, as many, many other physical constants besides). They did not "evolve" to such values. And should they have been substantially different, say reversed, no evolutionary "modification" could possibly compensate to give us what we now have.



Biochemistry is so profoundly complex that we are only beginning to appreciate how “wonderfully” we are made. Human blood defies LeChatelier’s Principle, in that when one molecule of oxygen is adsorbed by a hemoglobin molecule, its affinity for oxygen grows, instead of diminishing. The second molecule increases the affinity for the third, and the third for the fourth. This is precisely the reverse of normal chemistry principles and experimental observations. Our bodies’ powers of endurance and healing are absolutely astounding.



The list of features of our wonderful construction begins with conception, continues through growth, and concludes with our spiritual transformations evidenced time and again by the scientific observations of such people as Elisabeth Kubler-Ross. Dr. Kubler-Ross documented hundreds of instances of scientific evidence of a spiritual nature. She convincingly testified that she could not be persuaded of any naturalistic (scientific) explanation for it.



Ecclesiastes 1:13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven;



“To seek out and search by wisdom” truth. This is the very fundamental definition of science.



Ecclesiastes 1:7 All rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence rivers come, thither they return again.



The cyclical nature of nature encompasses us. The water cycle is described only with utmost brevity in Ecclesiastes. Today we understand (considerably better than did Biblical authors) water and its importance in most chemical processes, as well as its profoundly fortuitous cyclical nature, as originally shown in the Bible. Beyond this, we can see and describe cycles of carbon, and nitrogen, and oxygen, and hydrogen. We are able to comprehend the nature of energy, and the conservation of not only energy, but also of matter itself. More complex by far is the transformation of matter into energy, which gives us sunlight continuously. Why should all these things be? And why so reliably? Why are chemical reactions so wonderfully and perfectly reversible? Why? For the same reason that we are “fearfully and wonderfully made”. For that reason. These Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies did not just fall into place with Megaluck over Megatime, as some scientists posit, their fingers crossed.



Ecclesiastes 2:13 Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness.


Again and again there are Biblical references to wisdom, prudence, diligence, and other virtues. The essence of science is the pursuit of truth, knowledge, and facts. However, wisdom requires more than mere knowledge. Wisdom requires the integration of scientific truths with far more virtuous conduct than the mere accretion of naturalism.

Hitler and Stalin appreciated the science of Darwinism for its atheistic implications, but of wisdom, they had none.


Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words;

What vain words? Atheists are "rational," "scientific," "intelligent." Atheists do not seek wisdom, but preach vanity. They claim God's design of the human body is fraught with flaws, and that they could have done a much better job. Vanity, condescension, pretension. These attributes have no place in any discussion of science.

Pride goeth before a fall. - Proverbs 16:18




Ecclesiastes 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.




Can you name even one aspect of our universe that is known “from the beginning to the end”? Research continues everywhere, with absolutely no end remotely in sight. Research at the subatomic level, at the molecular level, at the cellular level, at the human level, at the planetary level, and at the galactic level.

How is it that we don’t know everything about anything, if all that we see came about from nothing, as materialists contend? How is that possible? Infinite complexity from nothing is infinitely absurd and infinitely improbable. There is not the slightest scientific basis or law for their grand proposal. Profound organization and information and consistency and physical laws, originating…. HOW ! An infinite God makes spiritual sense. He is utterly beyond the purview of science - which is merely another of God’s brilliant creations. As to the mocking question of “Who made God,” Professor John Lennox of Cambridge University gives us the answer: “If anybody made God, then He wouldn’t be God, would He!” (See Lennox’ one hour lecture, “A Matter of Gravity” on YouTube.)



Two things are incomprehensible. First, the origin of everything from nothing, and second, God Himself, Who so wondrously explains and accounts for everything else. Everyone must choose his own incomprehensible option. The first is random and meaningless, literally and figuratively. The second option is elegant, beautiful, hopeful, and wonderful beyond understanding. This second option matches the creative genius that surrounds us.



Ecclesiastes 7:9 Reprove not a scorner lest he hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you.



Proverbs 9:8 Anger rests in the bosom of fools.




Try reproving an atheist and see how angry and hateful he is.


Proverbs 16:16 How much better is it to get wisdom than gold; and to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver.



Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.




Wisdom excelleth folly as far as light excelleth darkness. The Creator of mankind does not want anyone to be fooled; He does not wish that we be gullible, or duped by clever sounding words, whether they be from scientists wearing white robes, or priests wearing white robes. It is the essence of science to search for truth, and ask questions, and seek to answer them. Toward this end, we must acknowledge the extremely transitional nature of scientific “fact”, and the pretexts of contemporary scientific infallibility. Nowhere is the attempt to deceive us more malicious and destructive than when it seeks to deny the very existence of our Creator, and separate us from Him – permanently.



Forty percent of those listed in Who’s Who In Science acknowledge a personal belief in God. You must ask yourself why. Surely these people are not the fools that some scientific atheists accuse you and me of being.



John 3:11, 12 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.



If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?




The timeless veracity and wisdom of this statement is prophetic. After over two thousand years, what is often called the “myth” that is the Holy Bible, cannot remotely be discredited. To the contrary, the obvious and manifest benefits to mankind of Christianity have been repeatedly addressed by professionals in psychology, criminology, and other modern disciplines. The deep and abiding science, beginning with the first sentence in the first Book, is compelling testimony. For these reasons and more, Christianity is today the most popular human organization there has ever been. Yet many still “receive not our witness.” How can this be? Why will mankind not learn?



I Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.



Is there a more concise explanation of the scientific method? “Prove all things”? The essence of modern science is the proof of testable hypotheses, as scientists like to say. Such technique was proposed in the Scriptures which are mocked by so many who are proud of their lack of belief.







Hebrews 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.


This is confirmation of Genesis 1:1. Natural Theology, written in 1809 by William Paley, makes a similar argument from design. Just as a Boeing 747 can never be the product of an explosion in a junkyard, neither can the far more intricate construction of a human being be the ultimate product of random mutations, selectively but blindly “chosen.” See also www.2001Principle.net


Mark 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.




Although not strictly “scientific”, the foregoing verse demonstrates a profound economic truth notwithstanding the astonishing achievements of modern science. Had one the vision to see forward more than 2000 years to witness the abundance of food and material goods we now produce, surely one would have surmised that “the poor” would be no more than a relic of the ancient past. Not so. In fact, nowhere are “the poor” more common and more destitute than in socialist countries led by atheist despots.



Acts 17:26 (God) hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation.



Notwithstanding the vast differences in outward appearance of the peoples of the earth, from fair skinned Norwegians, to African pygmies, “all nations of men” are Homo sapiens. All humans can, within the constraints of blood typing, be transfused by the blood from men of “all nations.” This close biological relationship of mankind was cited before blood types and biological classifications were ever imagined.



John 18:37 Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?




Eighty-two percent of Americans believe that Jesus Christ was God, according to a survey taken by Princeton Survey Research Associates on Dec 2 and 3, 2004 for Newsweek Magazine. Jesus Christ said that people of the truth hear his voice. Today one especially hears atheists, most of them liberals, reply just as Pontius Pilate did two thousand years ago with a mockingly dishonest question: “What is truth?” when even a ten year old has the capacity to know what truth is. Some things never change.


Luke 21:33; Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.


Just as Genesis 1:1 foretold the scientific truth of the Big Bang, or as it is almost universally called today, “The Moment of Creation”, so too does the Gospel of Luke describe the passing away of matter. Stars like our own sun are consuming their own hydrogen, fusing it into helium, losing vast amounts of mass, and radiating that energy into the heavens. All starlight will eventually pass away, and the universe will ultimately become dark and absolutely cold (“heat death”), devoid of life as we know it. Numerous massive black holes have been indirectly observed. They attract matter and light into their domain, never to be seen again. Or so scientists thought before they once again changed their mind. It is now posited that Black Holes can radiate away energy, which is to say, mass. Even Black Holes seem to pass away.





The duration of primary elements of matter we call protons have a lifetime estimated to be 1033 years. The heaven and the earth shall pass into cold, dark oblivion, just as stated in the Holy Bible, a book ceaselessly mocked and ridiculed by the left. Thousands of years after the Bible said heaven and earth shall pass away, the Second Law of Thermodynamics simply repeated it, in the name of “science.” Universal heat death is the ultimate and final increase in entropy, or disorder. The origin of our universe as well as its demise were both described in an ancient book with astonishing precision. The universe has not always existed, as previously thought by scientists, nor was it assembled piecemeal. It was “created” with a Big Bang. The universe will not continue on forever, it will, it must pass away. These were not lucky guesses. They were inspirations from our Creator who wrote The Book, on life, on science, and on a meaningful life.

















* Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies, a term I invented, refers to the interrelated factors surrounding us that are utterly essential to life as Americans know and enjoy it.



First example: Oxygen happens to be one of the more reactive elements, and it exists in the most reactive phase, viz. gas. This dynamic equilibrium producing our essential breath of life is possible only because: 1. Reactions are reversible (how profoundly fortuitous!) and; 2. The reversibility of such reactions is, so far as we can tell, 100% and; 3. Natural laws are consistent and harmonious and discoverable, and; 4. Plants recycle oxygen from carbon dioxide, and water.



Second example: The sophisticated engineering of matter, constructed primarily out of three simple building blocks, electrons, protons, and neutrons, is evidenced by the fact that only one part in 10exp17 is matter, and the rest is empty space. Moreover these three foundational components can be combined with only slight variations to give us unique characteristics as found in metals, including high shear strength, malleability, ductility, high heat and electrical conductivity, profound availability, high melting points, and other features without which there could be no airplanes, cars, or even internal combustion engines. As essential as metals** are to internal combustion engines, they would be virtually worthless without hydrocarbons to burn in them, which hydrocarbons just happen to be available in wondrous, underground storage tanks, to be refined and used worldwide.

But without oxygen, and without its dispersal throughout our atmosphere, there could be no cars, no plane rides to faraway places, and no fires, even inside engines. Fire, a simple chemical reaction we have always taken for granted, is but one of the countless Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies.



** In contrast to water, plastic, glass, and fused quartz, which transmit light with near perfection, unlike metals.

One of the problems shared by religious extremists is their need to pretend their holy texts are science texts.

Perfect example of what's wrong with religion. California says they are going to extend the stay at home till July. But Churches in California say they are going to open up again May 31st.

I think religions are freaking out because the longer people stay away from church the more they get used to not going to church.

Now I'm sure a lot of people can't wait to get back to socializing too.
It don't matter when we open back up. The infections will spike again.

I'm glad I am retiring at the end of the year. I doubt I will go back into the office ever again.

The economy is going into the shitter. You'll probably get laid off. Now might be a good time for you to learn how to start praying.

I'm working stupid. I got lucky. I landed in an industry that is going to work even when no one else is. If you have to be certain your product is made right you need one of our machines. And lots of defense contractors use our stuff. I don't sell the machines I sell aftermarket. So while companies aren't buying machines, they are buying my accessories.

I know, I'm totally lucky I fell into this company. Any of the other companies I worked for in the past, I'd be on unemployment or furlough for sure.

Sorry, I had to go. My boss called. I'm working from home. I can do my job from my living room. It took some figuring out but I can now do my job remotely. No more paper.

You could say I'm blessed. But why would God bless a guy who denies he exists? He could have killed me with corona. Even if he did, I would still say I lived a blessed life as an atheist. So lucky to have been born in this century to my parents in this country. And so lucky I have $40K liquid cash saved in case I do get laid off, which I won't and I'll tell you why. Because my company will go bankrupt if I do. They furloughed me for 2 days. It was supposed to be 2 weeks. After 2 days they lost $10K in sales which means they lost $3K in profits. Long story short is because of me, everyone at my company keeps their healthcare and salaries. And people got brought back to work. They thought I was only going to sell $50K last month I sold $120K. So we made $40K profit on that last month and now we can pay everyone!!! Aren't you happy for me?

I think this pandemic has shown companies who is essential and who is not. I doubt you'll go back into the workforce again too.
 
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Science of the Bible



I graduated with a degree in chemical engineering, a science by any definition of the term. Therefore I understand, and subscribe to the tenets of the scientific method. If anything has given me an appreciation for the Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies* which make life possible, it is the objectivity engendered by my scientific background, coupled with common sense so often lacking in many highly educated people. It is completely anti-intellectual of the godless Left to denigrate Christians, often maliciously so. Calling Christians “fundies” and “believers in a flat earth” seems to give many people the perverse notion that they are erudite, and can consign us to the backwaters of ignorance. Just as Jesus overturned the tables of the money-changers in His Temple, so too is it my intention to overturn the tables of the intolerant Left with these personally written observations correlating science with its Creator.



Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


The Holy Bible was written more than 2000 years ago. In 1924, Edwin Hubble proved that the spiral nebula in the constellation Andromeda was a separate island universe, apart from the Milky Way. This extended the size and scale of our universe by many orders of magnitude. Then, after hearing Albert Einstein's theory of relativity, Georges Lemaître, an ordained Catholic priest, proposed the “primeval atom” in 1927 – in other words, the creation of the universe. This breathtaking advancement in scientific thinking came not from a pontificating atheist, claiming to have exclusive jurisdiction over truth and science, but rather from a devoted follower of the Creator of heaven and earth. Contrary to their pretensions, atheists do not possess the only key to discovery and knowledge.


In 1929, Fred Hubble discovered the Red Shift, eliminating any doubt that Lemaitre was right and Einstein wrong. Einstein had said to Lemaître , "your mathematics is correct but your physics is abominable." This phenomenon, Red Shift, shows that some galaxies are moving away from us at greater speeds than others, and that such velocities are proportional to their distance. This gave strong corroboration to the Big Bang theory of creation. The residual heat predicted in 1927 by Lemaître, and derisively dismissed by Albert Einstein, was later confirmed by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson who in 1965 discovered the residual background radiation which is a remnant of the Big Bang. Penzias and Wilson of course received the Nobel Prize for their discovery, which was accidental. The penning of Genesis 1:1 was not.


Prior to Lemaître’s radical proposal, scientists believed that the universe was eternal, that it had always been as we see it today. An inherent aspect of the Steady State Universe is the assumption that matter is continuously being created, somewhere, somehow. This passed for science, until it was disproved in the 1965 Astrophysical Journal.



So we see Twentieth Century confirmation of the profoundly deep science originally expressed in the first sentence of the first paragraph of the first book of the Bible, and scientifically advanced centuries later by a Catholic priest (A “Fundie,”as Christians are so snidely denigrated by atheists), before anyone else.


Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.




Modern chemistry could not have begun before 1802, when John Dalton formally provided experimental evidence that matter is composed of discrete atoms. Everything before this was mere speculation – guesswork. Nevertheless, it is clearly stated in Genesis that man is “formed of the dust of the ground”, which is to say, the same elements of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, iron, nitrogen, etc, that we find in . . . dust of the ground, minerals.


Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every foul of the air;


The same elements which form humans also form animals everywhere. However, there is no Biblical reference to “a living soul” with respect to animals. Nor do animals have the capacity to worship and appreciate the spirituality and hope that is one of the premier hallmarks of mankind, and our supreme bequest.


Genesis 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.


One would think that as a result of the disciplines and analyses and benefits the manmade invention of science has helped us to discover, mankind should have been able to eliminate corruption and violence so prevalent thousands of years ago. Today, we have tools of production and health and social enlightenment unimaginable when the book of Genesis was written. But the earth today is still full of corruption and violence. Cornucopias of goods and services have not satisfied mankind’s lust for more, nor have psychologists and sociologists resolved the complex issues that lead people into destructive behavior. With burgeoning prison populations, and monstrous acts of evil on the increase worldwide, there seems little hope that corruption and violence will ever be eradicated by secular science.


Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Although the North American Continent was unknown when the Bible was written, paleontologists confirm that the interior of North America was once covered by shallow seas. Fossil evidence from distant parts of the globe that were unknown to inhabitants of ancient Israel lends scientific confirmation to the Noachian Flood described in the most ancient book of science known to man, the Holy Bible. . I do not pretend to know the length of the six "days" of creation. However it is abundantly clear to me that the Elegance of Everything and the insuperable statistics of abiogenesis and the Anthropic Principle are eternally inexplicable by any exclusively naturalistic method. To those with eyes, God’s Hand is clearly visible everywhere one looks.


Exodus 3:14 I am hath sent me unto you.....


John 9:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.




The naturalistic, if you will, “scientific” approach to explaining how man and energy and matter and space originated is to examine what is observable, and formulate hypotheses and theories based on observation and reason. There is no scientific explanation for the origin of matter and energy and information at the Moment of Creation, the Singularity, and obviously no experiment can examine, much less confirm any hypothesis of what first happened to lead to us and everything we see.

In contrast, God defies scientific explanation because He is outside its purview. If miracles were scientifically explicable, they would not be miracles. After all, God created the physical realm that is the subject of scientific inquiry and we are still desperately trying to understand that aspect of His handiwork. Had mere mortals written where God came from without divine inspiration, they surely could not have presented such an elegant explanation as “I am” – an explanation that suffices even two thousand years later. Where did God come from? "I am." The universe is not eternal, but God is.


I have only a vague notion of how my computer works as I type this on it. Although I don’t know how it works, I do know that it is real and that it operates in a marvelous, almost magical way. I don’t need to understand things to believe in and use them. And how much more marvelous is my brain and yours than these primitive computers, not one of which designed, much less built itself.



Many people don’t realize that science basically involves assumptions and faith. Wonderful things in both science and religion come from our efforts based on observations, thoughtful assumptions, faith and logic. (With the findings of modern physics, it) seems extremely unlikely (that the existence of life and humanity are ) just accidental.” – Charles Townes, Nobel Laureate and Professor of Physics at UC Berkeley





Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.




Has anyone the slightest doubt as to how “empty” the North Pole is? Nobody living in the Middle East could possibly have visited “the north” so as to confirm what was then being written. These immutable scientific truths – two here in a single sentence - were far too coincidental to be attributable to luck. No, they were divinely inspired, as were so many things in the Bible. The earth truly hangs “upon nothing”, as confirmed by countless photographs from satellites and space stations, not to mention men on the moon, and the north is indeed an “empty place” by any measure.



Job 26:14 Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?



With all our wisdom, and all our science, and all our research, “who can understand” anything today. Ultimate scientific answers continue to elude us everywhere one looks ! The pretense is that all this magnificent science that we see and study arose from nothing, based solely on megatime and megauniverses. Insuperable statistical impossibilities are explained away with clever wordplay and nebulous theories – anything at all to deny the Hand of the Creator so evident to casual observers, of all educational backgrounds, and all nationalities, and all times. That is, except for those who will not see.


Job 28:5 As for the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire.



The molten iron core of the earth was inconceivable because it was not discoverable when this passage was written. “Under (earth) it is turned up as it were fire.”

Ah, some may say, “But there were volcanoes even then.” True enough. But are not volcanoes both isolated and rare, and not so much “under” the earth as above it? The molten core of the earth accords far better with this passage. Their scientific agreement is not coincidental, but rather Divinely inspired and guided.



Job 38:1,2 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said

Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?




How often one hears words uttered without knowledge by pretenders of science and enlightenment.



Job 38:24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?



The most learned scientist of antiquity could not have imagined the depth of this question. When light is "parted" by a diffraction grating, it can be shown to act both as particles as well as waves. These combinations of properties are difficult to understand much less explain. And the prodigious amounts of energy transmitted by solar radiation does indeed scatter the wind upon the earth as it heats different substances at different rates. Job could not have offered an adequate answer to the question, along the lines of: "Discrete photons of light travel together as a wave until parted into disparate visible components by striking and reflecting from solid objects into our eyes, while other wavelengths give up their energy as they are absorbed by solids and water. Temperature differentials established by ambient sunlight striking dissimilar surfaces create 'the east wind' so described."



Psalms 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.



NASA maintains a website which is updated daily. Its purpose, however unintended, is to “declare the glory of God” and to “show his handiwork.”



Astronomy Picture of the Day


How remarkable that so repetitive and well known a phenomenon as sunset can delight people of all ages, and all times, and all civilizations. How much more delightful are the glories and handiworks seen in national parks and sightseeing attractions worldwide, so many of which could scarcely have been known by the Bible’s authors. Nor had the first telescope been invented 2000 years ago. How is it that the more deeply we have seen, the more handiwork we have seen? How is it?



Psalms 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.



Mankind is indeed “fearfully and wonderfully made.” The sophistication of our construction begins at the atomic level with atoms that are one part in 10^17 nucleus and the rest empty space. Then consider our DNA, which is 45 trillion times more compact and efficient at data storage than today’s sophisticated computer microchips.



Our brains have the memory capacity of 100 billion megabytes, which far exceeds anything conceivably necessary from a “selection” point of view.



Our optic nerves transmit information at 4 gigabaud, which is 71,000 times faster than a dial up modem, and 1,000 times faster than an ultra-high speed T-1 line for a computer.

The human eye sees in exquisite detail, over about 13 orders of magnitude of light intensity. Although the eye is often said to be flawed in its design by Darwinists and atheists, I would very much like to see them replace a human eye with something better which they have designed and built from lab reagents.



Our ears hear over 13 orders of magnitude in sound intensity. Even more amazing, the ears perform a Fourier Analysis. In other words, our eardrums receive a single wave function at the eardrum. Then they break down this single wave function into its constituent sounds. For example, at a concert, your ears hear drums, brass, violins, solo arias, and the person behind you coughing, only because this blended noise is separated inside your ear. If your eyes performed a similar function, they would break down white just as a prism does, into disparate pure colors.



Finally, our two eyes enable us to discern distance (and relative size) by triangulation. Our brains automatically compute the angle of the object seen, and compute its approximate distance. Similarly, our two ears enable us to discern the direction from which noises emanate not only because we have two ears, but also because of the relatively slow speed of sound. A difference in the arrival time from one ear to another of one thousandth to one ten-thousandth of a second is sufficient to discern, so that we can tell generally where a sound originated. If sound were substantially faster, both our ears would hear the sound at about the same time, and we could not enjoy stereophonic music, nor tell where sounds came from.



In His wisdom, God made these velocities profoundly useful to us (as well, of course, as many, many other physical constants besides). They did not "evolve" to such values. And should they have been substantially different, say reversed, no evolutionary "modification" could possibly compensate to give us what we now have.



Biochemistry is so profoundly complex that we are only beginning to appreciate how “wonderfully” we are made. Human blood defies LeChatelier’s Principle, in that when one molecule of oxygen is adsorbed by a hemoglobin molecule, its affinity for oxygen grows, instead of diminishing. The second molecule increases the affinity for the third, and the third for the fourth. This is precisely the reverse of normal chemistry principles and experimental observations. Our bodies’ powers of endurance and healing are absolutely astounding.



The list of features of our wonderful construction begins with conception, continues through growth, and concludes with our spiritual transformations evidenced time and again by the scientific observations of such people as Elisabeth Kubler-Ross. Dr. Kubler-Ross documented hundreds of instances of scientific evidence of a spiritual nature. She convincingly testified that she could not be persuaded of any naturalistic (scientific) explanation for it.



Ecclesiastes 1:13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven;



“To seek out and search by wisdom” truth. This is the very fundamental definition of science.



Ecclesiastes 1:7 All rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence rivers come, thither they return again.



The cyclical nature of nature encompasses us. The water cycle is described only with utmost brevity in Ecclesiastes. Today we understand (considerably better than did Biblical authors) water and its importance in most chemical processes, as well as its profoundly fortuitous cyclical nature, as originally shown in the Bible. Beyond this, we can see and describe cycles of carbon, and nitrogen, and oxygen, and hydrogen. We are able to comprehend the nature of energy, and the conservation of not only energy, but also of matter itself. More complex by far is the transformation of matter into energy, which gives us sunlight continuously. Why should all these things be? And why so reliably? Why are chemical reactions so wonderfully and perfectly reversible? Why? For the same reason that we are “fearfully and wonderfully made”. For that reason. These Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies did not just fall into place with Megaluck over Megatime, as some scientists posit, their fingers crossed.



Ecclesiastes 2:13 Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness.


Again and again there are Biblical references to wisdom, prudence, diligence, and other virtues. The essence of science is the pursuit of truth, knowledge, and facts. However, wisdom requires more than mere knowledge. Wisdom requires the integration of scientific truths with far more virtuous conduct than the mere accretion of naturalism.

Hitler and Stalin appreciated the science of Darwinism for its atheistic implications, but of wisdom, they had none.


Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words;

What vain words? Atheists are "rational," "scientific," "intelligent." Atheists do not seek wisdom, but preach vanity. They claim God's design of the human body is fraught with flaws, and that they could have done a much better job. Vanity, condescension, pretension. These attributes have no place in any discussion of science.

Pride goeth before a fall. - Proverbs 16:18




Ecclesiastes 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.




Can you name even one aspect of our universe that is known “from the beginning to the end”? Research continues everywhere, with absolutely no end remotely in sight. Research at the subatomic level, at the molecular level, at the cellular level, at the human level, at the planetary level, and at the galactic level.

How is it that we don’t know everything about anything, if all that we see came about from nothing, as materialists contend? How is that possible? Infinite complexity from nothing is infinitely absurd and infinitely improbable. There is not the slightest scientific basis or law for their grand proposal. Profound organization and information and consistency and physical laws, originating…. HOW ! An infinite God makes spiritual sense. He is utterly beyond the purview of science - which is merely another of God’s brilliant creations. As to the mocking question of “Who made God,” Professor John Lennox of Cambridge University gives us the answer: “If anybody made God, then He wouldn’t be God, would He!” (See Lennox’ one hour lecture, “A Matter of Gravity” on YouTube.)



Two things are incomprehensible. First, the origin of everything from nothing, and second, God Himself, Who so wondrously explains and accounts for everything else. Everyone must choose his own incomprehensible option. The first is random and meaningless, literally and figuratively. The second option is elegant, beautiful, hopeful, and wonderful beyond understanding. This second option matches the creative genius that surrounds us.



Ecclesiastes 7:9 Reprove not a scorner lest he hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you.



Proverbs 9:8 Anger rests in the bosom of fools.




Try reproving an atheist and see how angry and hateful he is.


Proverbs 16:16 How much better is it to get wisdom than gold; and to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver.



Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.




Wisdom excelleth folly as far as light excelleth darkness. The Creator of mankind does not want anyone to be fooled; He does not wish that we be gullible, or duped by clever sounding words, whether they be from scientists wearing white robes, or priests wearing white robes. It is the essence of science to search for truth, and ask questions, and seek to answer them. Toward this end, we must acknowledge the extremely transitional nature of scientific “fact”, and the pretexts of contemporary scientific infallibility. Nowhere is the attempt to deceive us more malicious and destructive than when it seeks to deny the very existence of our Creator, and separate us from Him – permanently.



Forty percent of those listed in Who’s Who In Science acknowledge a personal belief in God. You must ask yourself why. Surely these people are not the fools that some scientific atheists accuse you and me of being.



John 3:11, 12 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.



If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?




The timeless veracity and wisdom of this statement is prophetic. After over two thousand years, what is often called the “myth” that is the Holy Bible, cannot remotely be discredited. To the contrary, the obvious and manifest benefits to mankind of Christianity have been repeatedly addressed by professionals in psychology, criminology, and other modern disciplines. The deep and abiding science, beginning with the first sentence in the first Book, is compelling testimony. For these reasons and more, Christianity is today the most popular human organization there has ever been. Yet many still “receive not our witness.” How can this be? Why will mankind not learn?



I Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.



Is there a more concise explanation of the scientific method? “Prove all things”? The essence of modern science is the proof of testable hypotheses, as scientists like to say. Such technique was proposed in the Scriptures which are mocked by so many who are proud of their lack of belief.







Hebrews 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.


This is confirmation of Genesis 1:1. Natural Theology, written in 1809 by William Paley, makes a similar argument from design. Just as a Boeing 747 can never be the product of an explosion in a junkyard, neither can the far more intricate construction of a human being be the ultimate product of random mutations, selectively but blindly “chosen.” See also www.2001Principle.net


Mark 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.




Although not strictly “scientific”, the foregoing verse demonstrates a profound economic truth notwithstanding the astonishing achievements of modern science. Had one the vision to see forward more than 2000 years to witness the abundance of food and material goods we now produce, surely one would have surmised that “the poor” would be no more than a relic of the ancient past. Not so. In fact, nowhere are “the poor” more common and more destitute than in socialist countries led by atheist despots.



Acts 17:26 (God) hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation.



Notwithstanding the vast differences in outward appearance of the peoples of the earth, from fair skinned Norwegians, to African pygmies, “all nations of men” are Homo sapiens. All humans can, within the constraints of blood typing, be transfused by the blood from men of “all nations.” This close biological relationship of mankind was cited before blood types and biological classifications were ever imagined.



John 18:37 Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?




Eighty-two percent of Americans believe that Jesus Christ was God, according to a survey taken by Princeton Survey Research Associates on Dec 2 and 3, 2004 for Newsweek Magazine. Jesus Christ said that people of the truth hear his voice. Today one especially hears atheists, most of them liberals, reply just as Pontius Pilate did two thousand years ago with a mockingly dishonest question: “What is truth?” when even a ten year old has the capacity to know what truth is. Some things never change.


Luke 21:33; Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.


Just as Genesis 1:1 foretold the scientific truth of the Big Bang, or as it is almost universally called today, “The Moment of Creation”, so too does the Gospel of Luke describe the passing away of matter. Stars like our own sun are consuming their own hydrogen, fusing it into helium, losing vast amounts of mass, and radiating that energy into the heavens. All starlight will eventually pass away, and the universe will ultimately become dark and absolutely cold (“heat death”), devoid of life as we know it. Numerous massive black holes have been indirectly observed. They attract matter and light into their domain, never to be seen again. Or so scientists thought before they once again changed their mind. It is now posited that Black Holes can radiate away energy, which is to say, mass. Even Black Holes seem to pass away.





The duration of primary elements of matter we call protons have a lifetime estimated to be 1033 years. The heaven and the earth shall pass into cold, dark oblivion, just as stated in the Holy Bible, a book ceaselessly mocked and ridiculed by the left. Thousands of years after the Bible said heaven and earth shall pass away, the Second Law of Thermodynamics simply repeated it, in the name of “science.” Universal heat death is the ultimate and final increase in entropy, or disorder. The origin of our universe as well as its demise were both described in an ancient book with astonishing precision. The universe has not always existed, as previously thought by scientists, nor was it assembled piecemeal. It was “created” with a Big Bang. The universe will not continue on forever, it will, it must pass away. These were not lucky guesses. They were inspirations from our Creator who wrote The Book, on life, on science, and on a meaningful life.

















* Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies, a term I invented, refers to the interrelated factors surrounding us that are utterly essential to life as Americans know and enjoy it.



First example: Oxygen happens to be one of the more reactive elements, and it exists in the most reactive phase, viz. gas. This dynamic equilibrium producing our essential breath of life is possible only because: 1. Reactions are reversible (how profoundly fortuitous!) and; 2. The reversibility of such reactions is, so far as we can tell, 100% and; 3. Natural laws are consistent and harmonious and discoverable, and; 4. Plants recycle oxygen from carbon dioxide, and water.



Second example: The sophisticated engineering of matter, constructed primarily out of three simple building blocks, electrons, protons, and neutrons, is evidenced by the fact that only one part in 10exp17 is matter, and the rest is empty space. Moreover these three foundational components can be combined with only slight variations to give us unique characteristics as found in metals, including high shear strength, malleability, ductility, high heat and electrical conductivity, profound availability, high melting points, and other features without which there could be no airplanes, cars, or even internal combustion engines. As essential as metals** are to internal combustion engines, they would be virtually worthless without hydrocarbons to burn in them, which hydrocarbons just happen to be available in wondrous, underground storage tanks, to be refined and used worldwide.

But without oxygen, and without its dispersal throughout our atmosphere, there could be no cars, no plane rides to faraway places, and no fires, even inside engines. Fire, a simple chemical reaction we have always taken for granted, is but one of the countless Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies.



** In contrast to water, plastic, glass, and fused quartz, which transmit light with near perfection, unlike metals.

One of the problems shared by religious extremists is their need to pretend their holy texts are science texts.

Perfect example of what's wrong with religion. California says they are going to extend the stay at home till July. But Churches in California say they are going to open up again May 31st.

I think religions are freaking out because the longer people stay away from church the more they get used to not going to church.

Now I'm sure a lot of people can't wait to get back to socializing too.
It don't matter when we open back up. The infections will spike again.

I'm glad I am retiring at the end of the year. I doubt I will go back into the office ever again.

The economy is going into the shitter. You'll probably get laid off. Now might be a good time for you to learn how to start praying.

I'm working stupid. I got lucky. I landed in an industry that is going to work even when no one else is. If you have to be certain your product is made right you need one of our machines. And lots of defense contractors use our stuff. I don't sell the machines I sell aftermarket. So while companies aren't buying machines, they are buying my accessories.

I know, I'm totally lucky I fell into this company. Any of the other companies I worked for in the past, I'd be on unemployment or furlough for sure.

Sorry, I had to go. My boss called. I'm working from home. I can do my job from my living room. It took some figuring out but I can now do my job remotely. No more paper.

You could say I'm blessed. But why would God bless a guy who denies he exists? He could have killed me with corona. Even if he did, I would still say I lived a blessed life as an atheist. So lucky to have been born in this century to my parents in this country. And so lucky I have $40K liquid cash saved in case I do get laid off, which I won't and I'll tell you why. Because my company will go bankrupt if I do. They furloughed me for 2 days. It was supposed to be 2 weeks. After 2 days they lost $10K in sales which means they lost $3K in profits. Long story short is because of me, everyone at my company keeps their healthcare and salaries. And people got brought back to work. They thought I was only going to sell $50K last month I sold $120K. So we made $40K profit on that last month and now we can pay everyone!!! Aren't you happy for me?

I think this pandemic has shown companies who is essential and who is not. I doubt you'll go back into the workforce again too.
You should work smart, not stupid.

God blesses everyone, even those who are working stupid.

Keep thinking you aren't replaceable though. What could possibly go wrong with that, right?

Yes, I am happy for you. It's bad form to wish ill will on anyone, even someone who behaves as you do.

I never left the workforce. But I do plan on retiring at the end of the year though. With two years of additional salary no less.

And if I choose to come back as a consultant in two years, it will be at $2,000 per day. :lol:
 

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And so lucky I have $40K liquid cash saved in case I do get laid off, which I won't and I'll tell you why


WOW! Forty thousand bucks! You atheists REALLY ARE SMART! Gahhhhhhly.
How many of you Republicans started shitting your pants after the economy was shut down 2 weeks?

That's 40K liquid. I have a 20K cd coming due in a week. I'm going to put 20K in the stock market. Fuck getting .5% interest in a 6 month cd. I'd rather put it in the stock market.
 

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Science of the Bible



I graduated with a degree in chemical engineering, a science by any definition of the term. Therefore I understand, and subscribe to the tenets of the scientific method. If anything has given me an appreciation for the Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies* which make life possible, it is the objectivity engendered by my scientific background, coupled with common sense so often lacking in many highly educated people. It is completely anti-intellectual of the godless Left to denigrate Christians, often maliciously so. Calling Christians “fundies” and “believers in a flat earth” seems to give many people the perverse notion that they are erudite, and can consign us to the backwaters of ignorance. Just as Jesus overturned the tables of the money-changers in His Temple, so too is it my intention to overturn the tables of the intolerant Left with these personally written observations correlating science with its Creator.



Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


The Holy Bible was written more than 2000 years ago. In 1924, Edwin Hubble proved that the spiral nebula in the constellation Andromeda was a separate island universe, apart from the Milky Way. This extended the size and scale of our universe by many orders of magnitude. Then, after hearing Albert Einstein's theory of relativity, Georges Lemaître, an ordained Catholic priest, proposed the “primeval atom” in 1927 – in other words, the creation of the universe. This breathtaking advancement in scientific thinking came not from a pontificating atheist, claiming to have exclusive jurisdiction over truth and science, but rather from a devoted follower of the Creator of heaven and earth. Contrary to their pretensions, atheists do not possess the only key to discovery and knowledge.


In 1929, Fred Hubble discovered the Red Shift, eliminating any doubt that Lemaitre was right and Einstein wrong. Einstein had said to Lemaître , "your mathematics is correct but your physics is abominable." This phenomenon, Red Shift, shows that some galaxies are moving away from us at greater speeds than others, and that such velocities are proportional to their distance. This gave strong corroboration to the Big Bang theory of creation. The residual heat predicted in 1927 by Lemaître, and derisively dismissed by Albert Einstein, was later confirmed by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson who in 1965 discovered the residual background radiation which is a remnant of the Big Bang. Penzias and Wilson of course received the Nobel Prize for their discovery, which was accidental. The penning of Genesis 1:1 was not.


Prior to Lemaître’s radical proposal, scientists believed that the universe was eternal, that it had always been as we see it today. An inherent aspect of the Steady State Universe is the assumption that matter is continuously being created, somewhere, somehow. This passed for science, until it was disproved in the 1965 Astrophysical Journal.



So we see Twentieth Century confirmation of the profoundly deep science originally expressed in the first sentence of the first paragraph of the first book of the Bible, and scientifically advanced centuries later by a Catholic priest (A “Fundie,”as Christians are so snidely denigrated by atheists), before anyone else.


Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.




Modern chemistry could not have begun before 1802, when John Dalton formally provided experimental evidence that matter is composed of discrete atoms. Everything before this was mere speculation – guesswork. Nevertheless, it is clearly stated in Genesis that man is “formed of the dust of the ground”, which is to say, the same elements of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, iron, nitrogen, etc, that we find in . . . dust of the ground, minerals.


Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every foul of the air;


The same elements which form humans also form animals everywhere. However, there is no Biblical reference to “a living soul” with respect to animals. Nor do animals have the capacity to worship and appreciate the spirituality and hope that is one of the premier hallmarks of mankind, and our supreme bequest.


Genesis 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.


One would think that as a result of the disciplines and analyses and benefits the manmade invention of science has helped us to discover, mankind should have been able to eliminate corruption and violence so prevalent thousands of years ago. Today, we have tools of production and health and social enlightenment unimaginable when the book of Genesis was written. But the earth today is still full of corruption and violence. Cornucopias of goods and services have not satisfied mankind’s lust for more, nor have psychologists and sociologists resolved the complex issues that lead people into destructive behavior. With burgeoning prison populations, and monstrous acts of evil on the increase worldwide, there seems little hope that corruption and violence will ever be eradicated by secular science.


Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Although the North American Continent was unknown when the Bible was written, paleontologists confirm that the interior of North America was once covered by shallow seas. Fossil evidence from distant parts of the globe that were unknown to inhabitants of ancient Israel lends scientific confirmation to the Noachian Flood described in the most ancient book of science known to man, the Holy Bible. . I do not pretend to know the length of the six "days" of creation. However it is abundantly clear to me that the Elegance of Everything and the insuperable statistics of abiogenesis and the Anthropic Principle are eternally inexplicable by any exclusively naturalistic method. To those with eyes, God’s Hand is clearly visible everywhere one looks.


Exodus 3:14 I am hath sent me unto you.....


John 9:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.




The naturalistic, if you will, “scientific” approach to explaining how man and energy and matter and space originated is to examine what is observable, and formulate hypotheses and theories based on observation and reason. There is no scientific explanation for the origin of matter and energy and information at the Moment of Creation, the Singularity, and obviously no experiment can examine, much less confirm any hypothesis of what first happened to lead to us and everything we see.

In contrast, God defies scientific explanation because He is outside its purview. If miracles were scientifically explicable, they would not be miracles. After all, God created the physical realm that is the subject of scientific inquiry and we are still desperately trying to understand that aspect of His handiwork. Had mere mortals written where God came from without divine inspiration, they surely could not have presented such an elegant explanation as “I am” – an explanation that suffices even two thousand years later. Where did God come from? "I am." The universe is not eternal, but God is.


I have only a vague notion of how my computer works as I type this on it. Although I don’t know how it works, I do know that it is real and that it operates in a marvelous, almost magical way. I don’t need to understand things to believe in and use them. And how much more marvelous is my brain and yours than these primitive computers, not one of which designed, much less built itself.



Many people don’t realize that science basically involves assumptions and faith. Wonderful things in both science and religion come from our efforts based on observations, thoughtful assumptions, faith and logic. (With the findings of modern physics, it) seems extremely unlikely (that the existence of life and humanity are ) just accidental.” – Charles Townes, Nobel Laureate and Professor of Physics at UC Berkeley





Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.




Has anyone the slightest doubt as to how “empty” the North Pole is? Nobody living in the Middle East could possibly have visited “the north” so as to confirm what was then being written. These immutable scientific truths – two here in a single sentence - were far too coincidental to be attributable to luck. No, they were divinely inspired, as were so many things in the Bible. The earth truly hangs “upon nothing”, as confirmed by countless photographs from satellites and space stations, not to mention men on the moon, and the north is indeed an “empty place” by any measure.



Job 26:14 Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?



With all our wisdom, and all our science, and all our research, “who can understand” anything today. Ultimate scientific answers continue to elude us everywhere one looks ! The pretense is that all this magnificent science that we see and study arose from nothing, based solely on megatime and megauniverses. Insuperable statistical impossibilities are explained away with clever wordplay and nebulous theories – anything at all to deny the Hand of the Creator so evident to casual observers, of all educational backgrounds, and all nationalities, and all times. That is, except for those who will not see.


Job 28:5 As for the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire.



The molten iron core of the earth was inconceivable because it was not discoverable when this passage was written. “Under (earth) it is turned up as it were fire.”

Ah, some may say, “But there were volcanoes even then.” True enough. But are not volcanoes both isolated and rare, and not so much “under” the earth as above it? The molten core of the earth accords far better with this passage. Their scientific agreement is not coincidental, but rather Divinely inspired and guided.



Job 38:1,2 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said

Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?




How often one hears words uttered without knowledge by pretenders of science and enlightenment.



Job 38:24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?



The most learned scientist of antiquity could not have imagined the depth of this question. When light is "parted" by a diffraction grating, it can be shown to act both as particles as well as waves. These combinations of properties are difficult to understand much less explain. And the prodigious amounts of energy transmitted by solar radiation does indeed scatter the wind upon the earth as it heats different substances at different rates. Job could not have offered an adequate answer to the question, along the lines of: "Discrete photons of light travel together as a wave until parted into disparate visible components by striking and reflecting from solid objects into our eyes, while other wavelengths give up their energy as they are absorbed by solids and water. Temperature differentials established by ambient sunlight striking dissimilar surfaces create 'the east wind' so described."



Psalms 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.



NASA maintains a website which is updated daily. Its purpose, however unintended, is to “declare the glory of God” and to “show his handiwork.”



Astronomy Picture of the Day


How remarkable that so repetitive and well known a phenomenon as sunset can delight people of all ages, and all times, and all civilizations. How much more delightful are the glories and handiworks seen in national parks and sightseeing attractions worldwide, so many of which could scarcely have been known by the Bible’s authors. Nor had the first telescope been invented 2000 years ago. How is it that the more deeply we have seen, the more handiwork we have seen? How is it?



Psalms 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.



Mankind is indeed “fearfully and wonderfully made.” The sophistication of our construction begins at the atomic level with atoms that are one part in 10^17 nucleus and the rest empty space. Then consider our DNA, which is 45 trillion times more compact and efficient at data storage than today’s sophisticated computer microchips.



Our brains have the memory capacity of 100 billion megabytes, which far exceeds anything conceivably necessary from a “selection” point of view.



Our optic nerves transmit information at 4 gigabaud, which is 71,000 times faster than a dial up modem, and 1,000 times faster than an ultra-high speed T-1 line for a computer.

The human eye sees in exquisite detail, over about 13 orders of magnitude of light intensity. Although the eye is often said to be flawed in its design by Darwinists and atheists, I would very much like to see them replace a human eye with something better which they have designed and built from lab reagents.



Our ears hear over 13 orders of magnitude in sound intensity. Even more amazing, the ears perform a Fourier Analysis. In other words, our eardrums receive a single wave function at the eardrum. Then they break down this single wave function into its constituent sounds. For example, at a concert, your ears hear drums, brass, violins, solo arias, and the person behind you coughing, only because this blended noise is separated inside your ear. If your eyes performed a similar function, they would break down white just as a prism does, into disparate pure colors.



Finally, our two eyes enable us to discern distance (and relative size) by triangulation. Our brains automatically compute the angle of the object seen, and compute its approximate distance. Similarly, our two ears enable us to discern the direction from which noises emanate not only because we have two ears, but also because of the relatively slow speed of sound. A difference in the arrival time from one ear to another of one thousandth to one ten-thousandth of a second is sufficient to discern, so that we can tell generally where a sound originated. If sound were substantially faster, both our ears would hear the sound at about the same time, and we could not enjoy stereophonic music, nor tell where sounds came from.



In His wisdom, God made these velocities profoundly useful to us (as well, of course, as many, many other physical constants besides). They did not "evolve" to such values. And should they have been substantially different, say reversed, no evolutionary "modification" could possibly compensate to give us what we now have.



Biochemistry is so profoundly complex that we are only beginning to appreciate how “wonderfully” we are made. Human blood defies LeChatelier’s Principle, in that when one molecule of oxygen is adsorbed by a hemoglobin molecule, its affinity for oxygen grows, instead of diminishing. The second molecule increases the affinity for the third, and the third for the fourth. This is precisely the reverse of normal chemistry principles and experimental observations. Our bodies’ powers of endurance and healing are absolutely astounding.



The list of features of our wonderful construction begins with conception, continues through growth, and concludes with our spiritual transformations evidenced time and again by the scientific observations of such people as Elisabeth Kubler-Ross. Dr. Kubler-Ross documented hundreds of instances of scientific evidence of a spiritual nature. She convincingly testified that she could not be persuaded of any naturalistic (scientific) explanation for it.



Ecclesiastes 1:13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven;



“To seek out and search by wisdom” truth. This is the very fundamental definition of science.



Ecclesiastes 1:7 All rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence rivers come, thither they return again.



The cyclical nature of nature encompasses us. The water cycle is described only with utmost brevity in Ecclesiastes. Today we understand (considerably better than did Biblical authors) water and its importance in most chemical processes, as well as its profoundly fortuitous cyclical nature, as originally shown in the Bible. Beyond this, we can see and describe cycles of carbon, and nitrogen, and oxygen, and hydrogen. We are able to comprehend the nature of energy, and the conservation of not only energy, but also of matter itself. More complex by far is the transformation of matter into energy, which gives us sunlight continuously. Why should all these things be? And why so reliably? Why are chemical reactions so wonderfully and perfectly reversible? Why? For the same reason that we are “fearfully and wonderfully made”. For that reason. These Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies did not just fall into place with Megaluck over Megatime, as some scientists posit, their fingers crossed.



Ecclesiastes 2:13 Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness.


Again and again there are Biblical references to wisdom, prudence, diligence, and other virtues. The essence of science is the pursuit of truth, knowledge, and facts. However, wisdom requires more than mere knowledge. Wisdom requires the integration of scientific truths with far more virtuous conduct than the mere accretion of naturalism.

Hitler and Stalin appreciated the science of Darwinism for its atheistic implications, but of wisdom, they had none.


Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words;

What vain words? Atheists are "rational," "scientific," "intelligent." Atheists do not seek wisdom, but preach vanity. They claim God's design of the human body is fraught with flaws, and that they could have done a much better job. Vanity, condescension, pretension. These attributes have no place in any discussion of science.

Pride goeth before a fall. - Proverbs 16:18




Ecclesiastes 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.




Can you name even one aspect of our universe that is known “from the beginning to the end”? Research continues everywhere, with absolutely no end remotely in sight. Research at the subatomic level, at the molecular level, at the cellular level, at the human level, at the planetary level, and at the galactic level.

How is it that we don’t know everything about anything, if all that we see came about from nothing, as materialists contend? How is that possible? Infinite complexity from nothing is infinitely absurd and infinitely improbable. There is not the slightest scientific basis or law for their grand proposal. Profound organization and information and consistency and physical laws, originating…. HOW ! An infinite God makes spiritual sense. He is utterly beyond the purview of science - which is merely another of God’s brilliant creations. As to the mocking question of “Who made God,” Professor John Lennox of Cambridge University gives us the answer: “If anybody made God, then He wouldn’t be God, would He!” (See Lennox’ one hour lecture, “A Matter of Gravity” on YouTube.)



Two things are incomprehensible. First, the origin of everything from nothing, and second, God Himself, Who so wondrously explains and accounts for everything else. Everyone must choose his own incomprehensible option. The first is random and meaningless, literally and figuratively. The second option is elegant, beautiful, hopeful, and wonderful beyond understanding. This second option matches the creative genius that surrounds us.



Ecclesiastes 7:9 Reprove not a scorner lest he hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you.



Proverbs 9:8 Anger rests in the bosom of fools.




Try reproving an atheist and see how angry and hateful he is.


Proverbs 16:16 How much better is it to get wisdom than gold; and to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver.



Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.




Wisdom excelleth folly as far as light excelleth darkness. The Creator of mankind does not want anyone to be fooled; He does not wish that we be gullible, or duped by clever sounding words, whether they be from scientists wearing white robes, or priests wearing white robes. It is the essence of science to search for truth, and ask questions, and seek to answer them. Toward this end, we must acknowledge the extremely transitional nature of scientific “fact”, and the pretexts of contemporary scientific infallibility. Nowhere is the attempt to deceive us more malicious and destructive than when it seeks to deny the very existence of our Creator, and separate us from Him – permanently.



Forty percent of those listed in Who’s Who In Science acknowledge a personal belief in God. You must ask yourself why. Surely these people are not the fools that some scientific atheists accuse you and me of being.



John 3:11, 12 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.



If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?




The timeless veracity and wisdom of this statement is prophetic. After over two thousand years, what is often called the “myth” that is the Holy Bible, cannot remotely be discredited. To the contrary, the obvious and manifest benefits to mankind of Christianity have been repeatedly addressed by professionals in psychology, criminology, and other modern disciplines. The deep and abiding science, beginning with the first sentence in the first Book, is compelling testimony. For these reasons and more, Christianity is today the most popular human organization there has ever been. Yet many still “receive not our witness.” How can this be? Why will mankind not learn?



I Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.



Is there a more concise explanation of the scientific method? “Prove all things”? The essence of modern science is the proof of testable hypotheses, as scientists like to say. Such technique was proposed in the Scriptures which are mocked by so many who are proud of their lack of belief.







Hebrews 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.


This is confirmation of Genesis 1:1. Natural Theology, written in 1809 by William Paley, makes a similar argument from design. Just as a Boeing 747 can never be the product of an explosion in a junkyard, neither can the far more intricate construction of a human being be the ultimate product of random mutations, selectively but blindly “chosen.” See also www.2001Principle.net


Mark 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.




Although not strictly “scientific”, the foregoing verse demonstrates a profound economic truth notwithstanding the astonishing achievements of modern science. Had one the vision to see forward more than 2000 years to witness the abundance of food and material goods we now produce, surely one would have surmised that “the poor” would be no more than a relic of the ancient past. Not so. In fact, nowhere are “the poor” more common and more destitute than in socialist countries led by atheist despots.



Acts 17:26 (God) hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation.



Notwithstanding the vast differences in outward appearance of the peoples of the earth, from fair skinned Norwegians, to African pygmies, “all nations of men” are Homo sapiens. All humans can, within the constraints of blood typing, be transfused by the blood from men of “all nations.” This close biological relationship of mankind was cited before blood types and biological classifications were ever imagined.



John 18:37 Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?




Eighty-two percent of Americans believe that Jesus Christ was God, according to a survey taken by Princeton Survey Research Associates on Dec 2 and 3, 2004 for Newsweek Magazine. Jesus Christ said that people of the truth hear his voice. Today one especially hears atheists, most of them liberals, reply just as Pontius Pilate did two thousand years ago with a mockingly dishonest question: “What is truth?” when even a ten year old has the capacity to know what truth is. Some things never change.


Luke 21:33; Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.


Just as Genesis 1:1 foretold the scientific truth of the Big Bang, or as it is almost universally called today, “The Moment of Creation”, so too does the Gospel of Luke describe the passing away of matter. Stars like our own sun are consuming their own hydrogen, fusing it into helium, losing vast amounts of mass, and radiating that energy into the heavens. All starlight will eventually pass away, and the universe will ultimately become dark and absolutely cold (“heat death”), devoid of life as we know it. Numerous massive black holes have been indirectly observed. They attract matter and light into their domain, never to be seen again. Or so scientists thought before they once again changed their mind. It is now posited that Black Holes can radiate away energy, which is to say, mass. Even Black Holes seem to pass away.





The duration of primary elements of matter we call protons have a lifetime estimated to be 1033 years. The heaven and the earth shall pass into cold, dark oblivion, just as stated in the Holy Bible, a book ceaselessly mocked and ridiculed by the left. Thousands of years after the Bible said heaven and earth shall pass away, the Second Law of Thermodynamics simply repeated it, in the name of “science.” Universal heat death is the ultimate and final increase in entropy, or disorder. The origin of our universe as well as its demise were both described in an ancient book with astonishing precision. The universe has not always existed, as previously thought by scientists, nor was it assembled piecemeal. It was “created” with a Big Bang. The universe will not continue on forever, it will, it must pass away. These were not lucky guesses. They were inspirations from our Creator who wrote The Book, on life, on science, and on a meaningful life.

















* Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies, a term I invented, refers to the interrelated factors surrounding us that are utterly essential to life as Americans know and enjoy it.



First example: Oxygen happens to be one of the more reactive elements, and it exists in the most reactive phase, viz. gas. This dynamic equilibrium producing our essential breath of life is possible only because: 1. Reactions are reversible (how profoundly fortuitous!) and; 2. The reversibility of such reactions is, so far as we can tell, 100% and; 3. Natural laws are consistent and harmonious and discoverable, and; 4. Plants recycle oxygen from carbon dioxide, and water.



Second example: The sophisticated engineering of matter, constructed primarily out of three simple building blocks, electrons, protons, and neutrons, is evidenced by the fact that only one part in 10exp17 is matter, and the rest is empty space. Moreover these three foundational components can be combined with only slight variations to give us unique characteristics as found in metals, including high shear strength, malleability, ductility, high heat and electrical conductivity, profound availability, high melting points, and other features without which there could be no airplanes, cars, or even internal combustion engines. As essential as metals** are to internal combustion engines, they would be virtually worthless without hydrocarbons to burn in them, which hydrocarbons just happen to be available in wondrous, underground storage tanks, to be refined and used worldwide.

But without oxygen, and without its dispersal throughout our atmosphere, there could be no cars, no plane rides to faraway places, and no fires, even inside engines. Fire, a simple chemical reaction we have always taken for granted, is but one of the countless Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies.



** In contrast to water, plastic, glass, and fused quartz, which transmit light with near perfection, unlike metals.

One of the problems shared by religious extremists is their need to pretend their holy texts are science texts.

Perfect example of what's wrong with religion. California says they are going to extend the stay at home till July. But Churches in California say they are going to open up again May 31st.

I think religions are freaking out because the longer people stay away from church the more they get used to not going to church.

Now I'm sure a lot of people can't wait to get back to socializing too.
It don't matter when we open back up. The infections will spike again.

I'm glad I am retiring at the end of the year. I doubt I will go back into the office ever again.

The economy is going into the shitter. You'll probably get laid off. Now might be a good time for you to learn how to start praying.

I'm working stupid. I got lucky. I landed in an industry that is going to work even when no one else is. If you have to be certain your product is made right you need one of our machines. And lots of defense contractors use our stuff. I don't sell the machines I sell aftermarket. So while companies aren't buying machines, they are buying my accessories.

I know, I'm totally lucky I fell into this company. Any of the other companies I worked for in the past, I'd be on unemployment or furlough for sure.

Sorry, I had to go. My boss called. I'm working from home. I can do my job from my living room. It took some figuring out but I can now do my job remotely. No more paper.

You could say I'm blessed. But why would God bless a guy who denies he exists? He could have killed me with corona. Even if he did, I would still say I lived a blessed life as an atheist. So lucky to have been born in this century to my parents in this country. And so lucky I have $40K liquid cash saved in case I do get laid off, which I won't and I'll tell you why. Because my company will go bankrupt if I do. They furloughed me for 2 days. It was supposed to be 2 weeks. After 2 days they lost $10K in sales which means they lost $3K in profits. Long story short is because of me, everyone at my company keeps their healthcare and salaries. And people got brought back to work. They thought I was only going to sell $50K last month I sold $120K. So we made $40K profit on that last month and now we can pay everyone!!! Aren't you happy for me?

I think this pandemic has shown companies who is essential and who is not. I doubt you'll go back into the workforce again too.
You should work smart, not stupid.

God blesses everyone, even those who are working stupid.

Keep thinking you aren't replaceable though. What could possibly go wrong with that, right?

Yes, I am happy for you. It's bad form to wish ill will on anyone, even someone who behaves as you do.

I never left the workforce. But I do plan on retiring at the end of the year though. With two years of additional salary no less.

And if I choose to come back as a consultant in two years, it will be at $2,000 per day. :lol:
5 days a week? That's $10,000 a week. So you make $500K a year? I know you have claimed to be super rich before. If you really are, all I can say is why should people who make less than $100K a year vote the way you do? Of course Republicans are the party you like. No shit.
 
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And so lucky I have $40K liquid cash saved in case I do get laid off, which I won't and I'll tell you why


WOW! Forty thousand bucks! You atheists REALLY ARE SMART! Gahhhhhhly.
How many of you Republicans started shitting your pants after the economy was shut down 2 weeks?

That's 40K liquid. I have a 20K cd coming due in a week. I'm going to put 20K in the stock market. f*** getting .5% interest in a 6 month cd. I'd rather put it in the stock market.

Give it up, bobo. You're in way over your head. WAY over. Do you even have a clue how to invest in the stock market? Many of us reading this see our portfolios go up or down more than $20,000 in a day.

Republicans advance liberty, and freedom, not dependence, not socialism. Republicans don't dwell on fear of *climate change*, fear of Covid, fear of everything. Fear is YOUR domain.

Now bobo, join your friends on my Ignore List. You have nothing to say that could possibly interest me.
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I'm sure your numbers are accurate, unfortunately your assumption that the process is random, is not. Natural selection has been known since Darwin.

Natural selection is a simplistic tautology and even so, you don't understand it. Two steps:

1. RANDOM mutation, followed by
2. The Magic Wand of *Selection*

Mutations are random and that is the starting point for all Magic Selection, notwithstanding the screams of protest from Richard Dawkins and everybody else like him. NOTHING can be "selected" until a mutation error takes place. An ERROR, not a direction towards something you wish to see.

YOU are invited to explain precisely how each successive amino acid was selected in the assembly of human hemoglobin, so that the end product could be "selected." Bear in mind that Douglas Axe has done experiments showing that for proteins of only 150 residues in length, only 1 in 10 to the 77th power is functional. All the rest of them are useless. AND there are only 10 to the 80th fundamental particles in the universe.

“A growing number of respectable scientists are defecting from the evolutionist camp…..moreover, for the most part these “experts” have abandoned Darwinism, not on the basis of religious faith or biblical persuasions, but on strictly scientific grounds, and in some instances, regretfully.” (Dr. Wolfgang Smith, physicist and mathematician)
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“It must be significant that nearly all the evolutionary stories I learned as a student….have now been debunked.” (Dr. Derek V. Ager, Department of Geology, Imperial College, London)

“The explanation value of the evolutionary hypothesis of common origin is nil! Evolution not only conveys no knowledge, it seems to convey anti-knowledge. How could I work on evolution ten years and learn nothing from it? Most of you in this room will have to admit that in the last ten years we have seen the basis of evolution go from fact to faith! It does seem that the level of knowledge about evolution is remarkably shallow. We know it ought not be taught in high school, and that’s all we know about it.” (Dr. Colin Patterson, evolutionist and senior Paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History, which houses 60 million fossils)

Good points chem engineer - this point is right in line with my new thread on amino acid synthesis- you posted:

"YOU are invited to explain precisely how each successive amino acid was selected in the assembly of human hemoglobin, so that the end product could be "selected." Bear in mind that Douglas Axe has done experiments showing that for proteins of only 150 residues in length, only 1 in 10 to the 77th power is functional. All the rest of them are useless. AND there are only 10 to the 80th fundamental particles in the universe."

Yet no poster so far has responded concerning this amino acid synthesis research - see my new thread on Amino Acid synthesis..

Btw, Eddington calculated that the mass of our visible universe is 10^79 amu (atomic mass units).

Interesting calculation of the relative number of proteins that are actually functional - can you post a link concerning his research? Functional can be more or less complex - for example the necessary 3-d fit of enzymes and receptors.

Bottom line: Proteins useful to life have to be informational, not just statistical. And, of course, one needs a translator molecule to 'read' and apply the information.
I have passed pages and pages reading you with your amino acids.

You did talk a lot and said nothing.

Where is life? You have showed amino acids but no life.

This is because your way of learning is "monkey see monkey do".

You have posted a very good amount of information but such is the only thing you have made.

Now, read what I'm going to tell you with attention: You are a complete ignorant.

First, obtaining knowledge won't make you an intelligent person. What is going to make you an intelligent person is applying the obtained knowledge to discover a new knowledge.

As far as I have read from your several posts, you have not given anything new, but just repeating and repeating the same amino acid hundreds of times.

Second, you have not a single idea of how life was formed.

Third, it is clear that God wants you to ignore the way he created life on earth.

The knowledge you have posted here is not even your knowledge but someone else's.

It is like you having a ton of gold in the middle of the desert and not a single way to move it, plus you have no more water.

The simple deduction from your posts is that you have not provided any guidance to finally we, humans, be capable to create life.

You simply said more ingredients are needed.

And I will tell you this, you can keep adding more amino acids and you will be like a boy adding more sand to his sand castle, and regardless of how much sand you keep adding, your sand castle will still being a sand castle and never an inhabitable building.

I will tell you more, not only you but all researchers looking for creating life are in the wrong path. And if you ask me if I know how life can be created, my answer is yes, I do have a good clue for such a task to be made.

This is why all your pages and pages full of babbling cause smiles. You play the scientist without using a proper method, and this is the cause of your failure.

To start, if you are a religious dude as you said you are, then, here, in front of everybody, repent of your silly arrogance. Yes, do it in front of the rest.

Then, regardless of what your religious denomination rules are, you follow God words and don't look to a different way. Be aware that God words are different than Jehovah Witness doctrines, so you follow God's rules.

You will be humiliated by others, and just in case, my words are not for humiliation purposes but guidance. Do not take me wrong.

From the bottom of your next status, beg for knowledge, but do it only after you have renounced to the false doctrines and started to follow God's rules.

And like David was exalted after being humiliated, it may come to happen you will finally obtain wisdom, but never before.

At this moment what impedes you to grow is your arrogance, you came here to show how much you know, and the message has been received. Now what?

That is the far as you can go.

You better give the credit to your god, the biblical god, in everything you have learned. Otherwise you will be trapped forever in your good for nothing knowledge.

Don't think I used the method I have advised you to follow (humiliation, repentance), I used a complete different method to be capable to see what others can't see. And I can see the path to create life with your amino acids, on the other hand you can't because you still are blind.

Wisdom will show you how laughable are the current beliefs you have when you follow the big bang theory, the evolution theory doctrines, relativity and more. Such entertainment is good to increase imagination but vain to obtain scientific knowledge.

You have obtained "intellect" but such won't take you anywhere. God wants you to be wise, so remember, discard your arrogance and start all over again.

Long post. I hope you don't mind my responding on only one point: amino acids.

I did not post about only one amino acid - likely why you did hot specify. For example, I posted many amino acids produced in the famous Miller-Urey experiment most of which are not used in proteins. I also noted the primary chemical reaction product (by proportion) was formic acid not amino acids.

I will post a little to prove your accusation about my only posting about one amino acid to be a false accusation. For example, I posted by name the 20 amino acids found in proteins which are necessary for life, to wit:

1. alanine - ala - A- C3H7NO2
2. arginine - arg - R
3. asparagine - asn - N
4. aspartic acid - asp - D
5. cysteine - cys - C
6. glutamine - gln - Q
7. glutamic acid - glu - E
8. glycine - gly - G
9. histidine - his - H
10. isoleucine - ile - I
11. leucine - leu - L
12. lysine - lys - K
13. methionine - met - M
14. phenylalanine - phe - F
15. proline - pro - P
16. serine - ser - S
17. threonine - thr - T
18. tryptophan - trp - W
19. tyrosine - tyr - Y
20. valine - val - V

I also posted this list of amino acids (mostly non-proteinous) produced in the Miller-Urey experiment according to their relative proportions:

Glycine - C₂H₅NO₂ - proportion: 440
Alanine - C3H7NO2 - proportion: 790
alpha-aminobutyric acid - C₄H₉NO₂ - proportion: 270
a(alpha)-Hydroxy-aminobutyric acid - C4H8O3 - proportion: 74
Norvaline - ‎C5H11NO2 - proportion: 61
Sarcosine - C3H7NO2 - proportion: 55
Aspartic acid - C4H7NO4 - proportion: 34
2,4 [alpha/gamma]-diaminobutyric acid- C4H10N2O2 - proportion: 33
alpha[2]-Aminoisobutyric acid - H2N-C(CH3)2-COOH; C₄H₉NO₂ - proportion 30
N-Ethylglycine -C4H9NO2 - proportion: 30

And this list of how the 20 amino acids in proteins are grouped according to the characteristics of their side chains:

Aliphatic - alanine , glycine, isoleucine , leucine , proline , valine
Aromatic - phenylalanine , tryptophan , tyrosine
Acidic - aspartic acid, glutamic acid
Basic - arginine , histidine , lysine
Hydroxylic - serine, threonine
Sulphur-containing - cysteine , methionine
Amidic (containing amide group) - asparagine, glutamine

And this list of chemical reaction product proportions produced by Miller relative to formic acid (the primary product = 1000 in the proportion list):

Formic acid - 1000
Glycine - 270
Glycolic acid - 240
Alanine - 146
133 64 64 56 24 21 21 21 17
Lactic acid - 133
beta-Alanine - 64
Acetic acid - 64
Propionic acid - 56
Iminodiacetic acid - 24
Sarcosine - 21
a·Amino-n-butyric acid - 21
a-Hydroxybutyric acid - 21
Succinic acid - 17
Urea - 17
Iminoaceticpropionic acid - 9
N-Methyl urea - 6
N-Methylalanine - 6
Glutamic acid - 4
Aspartic acid - 3.2
a·Aminoisobutyric acid - 0.4

Of course, I posted much more than that. Two of the points I posted which show an intelligent chemist was necessary for the creation of life:

1. The different properties of the 20 different amino acids in proteins required different environments to synthesize including wet vs. dry (even with condensing agents), acid vs base (alkaline), hot vs cold. These different environments could not have existed in the same time and place (at the creation of life) without an intelligent chemist.

2. The need for selection of the 20 required amino acids out of so many other chemical reaction products including the correct isomer for each amino acid and the correct chirality. Also the precise 3-d structure required for enzymes and receptors to fit to perform specific functions for life. This selection could not occur without an intelligent chemist.
 
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The methods of science make no appeals to supernaturalism. I understand your goal is to denigrate the methods of science, but using fear and superstition that is derived from your belief in the supernatural doesn't further that goal.

You are dismissing the fact that religious institutions have often been a yolk (sic) around the neck of science and discovery. I think people are vastly more tolerant about scientific truths today than they were say, 400 years ago. In large part that's because religion has been throttled by the secular institutions. Not too many weathermen being burned at the stake these days because they predict a solar eclipse or a drought.

The day of the Christian church being able to imprison or lop the head off a person of contradicts church dogma has come and gone.

James Bond, Friend, I put Hollie on Ignore because she cannot communicate without being extremely demeaning while demonstrating her ignorance. I read your quotation of her misuse of egg yolk and was amused, so I quoted you and her nonsense popped up. I'll address it.

Hollie the "yolker": religion has been throttled by the secular institutions.

America's Ivy League Colleges are perhaps the most prestigious in the country if not the world.
They all have Christian Charters. Therefore they are NOT "secular."
Please name a "secular institution" with a charter expressing its atheist foundations.

Hollie the "yolker": Not too many weathermen being burned at the stake these days because they predict a solar eclipse or a drought.

Tens of millions of Chinese and Soviet citizens were executed and starved by atheists Joseph Stalin and Chairman Mao. Millions more died because the Japanese worshipped Emperor Hirohito and Germans believed themselves to be the "superior race" as they were dictated by Adolph Hitler, who murdered Christians, millions of Jews and tens of millions of Russians. YOUR godless bunch has no regard for human life and that was much more recent than when the Church "lopped off heads."

Nonsense such as that is why she must be ignored as an utter waste of time.
Actually, you put Hollie on ignore because she challenged the specious opinions you couldn't defend. As you're addressing Hollie now, obviously, you don't have Hollie on ignore.

If you're looking for an "ouch" contest with your heroes in the oppressive communist regimes, I could provide you with a tally of those slaughtered by religions, but then, you would just retreat to your safe zone of fear and ignorance.

Hollie: which is why I sometimes don't ignore you - sometimes you make good points (I ignore most of the rest). For example, "those slaughtered by religions" - a very important point. But you fail to note which religions. For example, Christendom has the most violent history of any group since Jesus' time. Islam is up there but does not come close to Christendom - e.g. World War I, WWII, the Rwanda genocide, the Serbian Orthodox 'ethnic cleansing of moslems in Bosnia and Kosovo.

But atheist regimes like Stalin also had their atrocities. Those of my religion practice what we preach - we do not go to war - one reason is Isiaah 2:2-4; another reason is that Jesus taught us to love our enemies (Matthew 5:44).

Now, is it possible for you to respond to my post respectfully?
 

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Science of the Bible



I graduated with a degree in chemical engineering, a science by any definition of the term. Therefore I understand, and subscribe to the tenets of the scientific method. If anything has given me an appreciation for the Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies* which make life possible, it is the objectivity engendered by my scientific background, coupled with common sense so often lacking in many highly educated people. It is completely anti-intellectual of the godless Left to denigrate Christians, often maliciously so. Calling Christians “fundies” and “believers in a flat earth” seems to give many people the perverse notion that they are erudite, and can consign us to the backwaters of ignorance. Just as Jesus overturned the tables of the money-changers in His Temple, so too is it my intention to overturn the tables of the intolerant Left with these personally written observations correlating science with its Creator.



Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


The Holy Bible was written more than 2000 years ago. In 1924, Edwin Hubble proved that the spiral nebula in the constellation Andromeda was a separate island universe, apart from the Milky Way. This extended the size and scale of our universe by many orders of magnitude. Then, after hearing Albert Einstein's theory of relativity, Georges Lemaître, an ordained Catholic priest, proposed the “primeval atom” in 1927 – in other words, the creation of the universe. This breathtaking advancement in scientific thinking came not from a pontificating atheist, claiming to have exclusive jurisdiction over truth and science, but rather from a devoted follower of the Creator of heaven and earth. Contrary to their pretensions, atheists do not possess the only key to discovery and knowledge.


In 1929, Fred Hubble discovered the Red Shift, eliminating any doubt that Lemaitre was right and Einstein wrong. Einstein had said to Lemaître , "your mathematics is correct but your physics is abominable." This phenomenon, Red Shift, shows that some galaxies are moving away from us at greater speeds than others, and that such velocities are proportional to their distance. This gave strong corroboration to the Big Bang theory of creation. The residual heat predicted in 1927 by Lemaître, and derisively dismissed by Albert Einstein, was later confirmed by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson who in 1965 discovered the residual background radiation which is a remnant of the Big Bang. Penzias and Wilson of course received the Nobel Prize for their discovery, which was accidental. The penning of Genesis 1:1 was not.


Prior to Lemaître’s radical proposal, scientists believed that the universe was eternal, that it had always been as we see it today. An inherent aspect of the Steady State Universe is the assumption that matter is continuously being created, somewhere, somehow. This passed for science, until it was disproved in the 1965 Astrophysical Journal.



So we see Twentieth Century confirmation of the profoundly deep science originally expressed in the first sentence of the first paragraph of the first book of the Bible, and scientifically advanced centuries later by a Catholic priest (A “Fundie,”as Christians are so snidely denigrated by atheists), before anyone else.


Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.




Modern chemistry could not have begun before 1802, when John Dalton formally provided experimental evidence that matter is composed of discrete atoms. Everything before this was mere speculation – guesswork. Nevertheless, it is clearly stated in Genesis that man is “formed of the dust of the ground”, which is to say, the same elements of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, iron, nitrogen, etc, that we find in . . . dust of the ground, minerals.


Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every foul of the air;


The same elements which form humans also form animals everywhere. However, there is no Biblical reference to “a living soul” with respect to animals. Nor do animals have the capacity to worship and appreciate the spirituality and hope that is one of the premier hallmarks of mankind, and our supreme bequest.


Genesis 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.


One would think that as a result of the disciplines and analyses and benefits the manmade invention of science has helped us to discover, mankind should have been able to eliminate corruption and violence so prevalent thousands of years ago. Today, we have tools of production and health and social enlightenment unimaginable when the book of Genesis was written. But the earth today is still full of corruption and violence. Cornucopias of goods and services have not satisfied mankind’s lust for more, nor have psychologists and sociologists resolved the complex issues that lead people into destructive behavior. With burgeoning prison populations, and monstrous acts of evil on the increase worldwide, there seems little hope that corruption and violence will ever be eradicated by secular science.


Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Although the North American Continent was unknown when the Bible was written, paleontologists confirm that the interior of North America was once covered by shallow seas. Fossil evidence from distant parts of the globe that were unknown to inhabitants of ancient Israel lends scientific confirmation to the Noachian Flood described in the most ancient book of science known to man, the Holy Bible. . I do not pretend to know the length of the six "days" of creation. However it is abundantly clear to me that the Elegance of Everything and the insuperable statistics of abiogenesis and the Anthropic Principle are eternally inexplicable by any exclusively naturalistic method. To those with eyes, God’s Hand is clearly visible everywhere one looks.


Exodus 3:14 I am hath sent me unto you.....


John 9:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.




The naturalistic, if you will, “scientific” approach to explaining how man and energy and matter and space originated is to examine what is observable, and formulate hypotheses and theories based on observation and reason. There is no scientific explanation for the origin of matter and energy and information at the Moment of Creation, the Singularity, and obviously no experiment can examine, much less confirm any hypothesis of what first happened to lead to us and everything we see.

In contrast, God defies scientific explanation because He is outside its purview. If miracles were scientifically explicable, they would not be miracles. After all, God created the physical realm that is the subject of scientific inquiry and we are still desperately trying to understand that aspect of His handiwork. Had mere mortals written where God came from without divine inspiration, they surely could not have presented such an elegant explanation as “I am” – an explanation that suffices even two thousand years later. Where did God come from? "I am." The universe is not eternal, but God is.


I have only a vague notion of how my computer works as I type this on it. Although I don’t know how it works, I do know that it is real and that it operates in a marvelous, almost magical way. I don’t need to understand things to believe in and use them. And how much more marvelous is my brain and yours than these primitive computers, not one of which designed, much less built itself.



Many people don’t realize that science basically involves assumptions and faith. Wonderful things in both science and religion come from our efforts based on observations, thoughtful assumptions, faith and logic. (With the findings of modern physics, it) seems extremely unlikely (that the existence of life and humanity are ) just accidental.” – Charles Townes, Nobel Laureate and Professor of Physics at UC Berkeley





Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.




Has anyone the slightest doubt as to how “empty” the North Pole is? Nobody living in the Middle East could possibly have visited “the north” so as to confirm what was then being written. These immutable scientific truths – two here in a single sentence - were far too coincidental to be attributable to luck. No, they were divinely inspired, as were so many things in the Bible. The earth truly hangs “upon nothing”, as confirmed by countless photographs from satellites and space stations, not to mention men on the moon, and the north is indeed an “empty place” by any measure.



Job 26:14 Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?



With all our wisdom, and all our science, and all our research, “who can understand” anything today. Ultimate scientific answers continue to elude us everywhere one looks ! The pretense is that all this magnificent science that we see and study arose from nothing, based solely on megatime and megauniverses. Insuperable statistical impossibilities are explained away with clever wordplay and nebulous theories – anything at all to deny the Hand of the Creator so evident to casual observers, of all educational backgrounds, and all nationalities, and all times. That is, except for those who will not see.


Job 28:5 As for the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire.



The molten iron core of the earth was inconceivable because it was not discoverable when this passage was written. “Under (earth) it is turned up as it were fire.”

Ah, some may say, “But there were volcanoes even then.” True enough. But are not volcanoes both isolated and rare, and not so much “under” the earth as above it? The molten core of the earth accords far better with this passage. Their scientific agreement is not coincidental, but rather Divinely inspired and guided.



Job 38:1,2 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said

Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?




How often one hears words uttered without knowledge by pretenders of science and enlightenment.



Job 38:24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?



The most learned scientist of antiquity could not have imagined the depth of this question. When light is "parted" by a diffraction grating, it can be shown to act both as particles as well as waves. These combinations of properties are difficult to understand much less explain. And the prodigious amounts of energy transmitted by solar radiation does indeed scatter the wind upon the earth as it heats different substances at different rates. Job could not have offered an adequate answer to the question, along the lines of: "Discrete photons of light travel together as a wave until parted into disparate visible components by striking and reflecting from solid objects into our eyes, while other wavelengths give up their energy as they are absorbed by solids and water. Temperature differentials established by ambient sunlight striking dissimilar surfaces create 'the east wind' so described."



Psalms 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.



NASA maintains a website which is updated daily. Its purpose, however unintended, is to “declare the glory of God” and to “show his handiwork.”



Astronomy Picture of the Day


How remarkable that so repetitive and well known a phenomenon as sunset can delight people of all ages, and all times, and all civilizations. How much more delightful are the glories and handiworks seen in national parks and sightseeing attractions worldwide, so many of which could scarcely have been known by the Bible’s authors. Nor had the first telescope been invented 2000 years ago. How is it that the more deeply we have seen, the more handiwork we have seen? How is it?



Psalms 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.



Mankind is indeed “fearfully and wonderfully made.” The sophistication of our construction begins at the atomic level with atoms that are one part in 10^17 nucleus and the rest empty space. Then consider our DNA, which is 45 trillion times more compact and efficient at data storage than today’s sophisticated computer microchips.



Our brains have the memory capacity of 100 billion megabytes, which far exceeds anything conceivably necessary from a “selection” point of view.



Our optic nerves transmit information at 4 gigabaud, which is 71,000 times faster than a dial up modem, and 1,000 times faster than an ultra-high speed T-1 line for a computer.

The human eye sees in exquisite detail, over about 13 orders of magnitude of light intensity. Although the eye is often said to be flawed in its design by Darwinists and atheists, I would very much like to see them replace a human eye with something better which they have designed and built from lab reagents.



Our ears hear over 13 orders of magnitude in sound intensity. Even more amazing, the ears perform a Fourier Analysis. In other words, our eardrums receive a single wave function at the eardrum. Then they break down this single wave function into its constituent sounds. For example, at a concert, your ears hear drums, brass, violins, solo arias, and the person behind you coughing, only because this blended noise is separated inside your ear. If your eyes performed a similar function, they would break down white just as a prism does, into disparate pure colors.



Finally, our two eyes enable us to discern distance (and relative size) by triangulation. Our brains automatically compute the angle of the object seen, and compute its approximate distance. Similarly, our two ears enable us to discern the direction from which noises emanate not only because we have two ears, but also because of the relatively slow speed of sound. A difference in the arrival time from one ear to another of one thousandth to one ten-thousandth of a second is sufficient to discern, so that we can tell generally where a sound originated. If sound were substantially faster, both our ears would hear the sound at about the same time, and we could not enjoy stereophonic music, nor tell where sounds came from.



In His wisdom, God made these velocities profoundly useful to us (as well, of course, as many, many other physical constants besides). They did not "evolve" to such values. And should they have been substantially different, say reversed, no evolutionary "modification" could possibly compensate to give us what we now have.



Biochemistry is so profoundly complex that we are only beginning to appreciate how “wonderfully” we are made. Human blood defies LeChatelier’s Principle, in that when one molecule of oxygen is adsorbed by a hemoglobin molecule, its affinity for oxygen grows, instead of diminishing. The second molecule increases the affinity for the third, and the third for the fourth. This is precisely the reverse of normal chemistry principles and experimental observations. Our bodies’ powers of endurance and healing are absolutely astounding.



The list of features of our wonderful construction begins with conception, continues through growth, and concludes with our spiritual transformations evidenced time and again by the scientific observations of such people as Elisabeth Kubler-Ross. Dr. Kubler-Ross documented hundreds of instances of scientific evidence of a spiritual nature. She convincingly testified that she could not be persuaded of any naturalistic (scientific) explanation for it.



Ecclesiastes 1:13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven;



“To seek out and search by wisdom” truth. This is the very fundamental definition of science.



Ecclesiastes 1:7 All rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence rivers come, thither they return again.



The cyclical nature of nature encompasses us. The water cycle is described only with utmost brevity in Ecclesiastes. Today we understand (considerably better than did Biblical authors) water and its importance in most chemical processes, as well as its profoundly fortuitous cyclical nature, as originally shown in the Bible. Beyond this, we can see and describe cycles of carbon, and nitrogen, and oxygen, and hydrogen. We are able to comprehend the nature of energy, and the conservation of not only energy, but also of matter itself. More complex by far is the transformation of matter into energy, which gives us sunlight continuously. Why should all these things be? And why so reliably? Why are chemical reactions so wonderfully and perfectly reversible? Why? For the same reason that we are “fearfully and wonderfully made”. For that reason. These Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies did not just fall into place with Megaluck over Megatime, as some scientists posit, their fingers crossed.



Ecclesiastes 2:13 Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness.


Again and again there are Biblical references to wisdom, prudence, diligence, and other virtues. The essence of science is the pursuit of truth, knowledge, and facts. However, wisdom requires more than mere knowledge. Wisdom requires the integration of scientific truths with far more virtuous conduct than the mere accretion of naturalism.

Hitler and Stalin appreciated the science of Darwinism for its atheistic implications, but of wisdom, they had none.


Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words;

What vain words? Atheists are "rational," "scientific," "intelligent." Atheists do not seek wisdom, but preach vanity. They claim God's design of the human body is fraught with flaws, and that they could have done a much better job. Vanity, condescension, pretension. These attributes have no place in any discussion of science.

Pride goeth before a fall. - Proverbs 16:18




Ecclesiastes 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.




Can you name even one aspect of our universe that is known “from the beginning to the end”? Research continues everywhere, with absolutely no end remotely in sight. Research at the subatomic level, at the molecular level, at the cellular level, at the human level, at the planetary level, and at the galactic level.

How is it that we don’t know everything about anything, if all that we see came about from nothing, as materialists contend? How is that possible? Infinite complexity from nothing is infinitely absurd and infinitely improbable. There is not the slightest scientific basis or law for their grand proposal. Profound organization and information and consistency and physical laws, originating…. HOW ! An infinite God makes spiritual sense. He is utterly beyond the purview of science - which is merely another of God’s brilliant creations. As to the mocking question of “Who made God,” Professor John Lennox of Cambridge University gives us the answer: “If anybody made God, then He wouldn’t be God, would He!” (See Lennox’ one hour lecture, “A Matter of Gravity” on YouTube.)



Two things are incomprehensible. First, the origin of everything from nothing, and second, God Himself, Who so wondrously explains and accounts for everything else. Everyone must choose his own incomprehensible option. The first is random and meaningless, literally and figuratively. The second option is elegant, beautiful, hopeful, and wonderful beyond understanding. This second option matches the creative genius that surrounds us.



Ecclesiastes 7:9 Reprove not a scorner lest he hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you.



Proverbs 9:8 Anger rests in the bosom of fools.




Try reproving an atheist and see how angry and hateful he is.


Proverbs 16:16 How much better is it to get wisdom than gold; and to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver.



Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.




Wisdom excelleth folly as far as light excelleth darkness. The Creator of mankind does not want anyone to be fooled; He does not wish that we be gullible, or duped by clever sounding words, whether they be from scientists wearing white robes, or priests wearing white robes. It is the essence of science to search for truth, and ask questions, and seek to answer them. Toward this end, we must acknowledge the extremely transitional nature of scientific “fact”, and the pretexts of contemporary scientific infallibility. Nowhere is the attempt to deceive us more malicious and destructive than when it seeks to deny the very existence of our Creator, and separate us from Him – permanently.



Forty percent of those listed in Who’s Who In Science acknowledge a personal belief in God. You must ask yourself why. Surely these people are not the fools that some scientific atheists accuse you and me of being.



John 3:11, 12 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.



If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?




The timeless veracity and wisdom of this statement is prophetic. After over two thousand years, what is often called the “myth” that is the Holy Bible, cannot remotely be discredited. To the contrary, the obvious and manifest benefits to mankind of Christianity have been repeatedly addressed by professionals in psychology, criminology, and other modern disciplines. The deep and abiding science, beginning with the first sentence in the first Book, is compelling testimony. For these reasons and more, Christianity is today the most popular human organization there has ever been. Yet many still “receive not our witness.” How can this be? Why will mankind not learn?



I Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.



Is there a more concise explanation of the scientific method? “Prove all things”? The essence of modern science is the proof of testable hypotheses, as scientists like to say. Such technique was proposed in the Scriptures which are mocked by so many who are proud of their lack of belief.







Hebrews 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.


This is confirmation of Genesis 1:1. Natural Theology, written in 1809 by William Paley, makes a similar argument from design. Just as a Boeing 747 can never be the product of an explosion in a junkyard, neither can the far more intricate construction of a human being be the ultimate product of random mutations, selectively but blindly “chosen.” See also www.2001Principle.net


Mark 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.




Although not strictly “scientific”, the foregoing verse demonstrates a profound economic truth notwithstanding the astonishing achievements of modern science. Had one the vision to see forward more than 2000 years to witness the abundance of food and material goods we now produce, surely one would have surmised that “the poor” would be no more than a relic of the ancient past. Not so. In fact, nowhere are “the poor” more common and more destitute than in socialist countries led by atheist despots.



Acts 17:26 (God) hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation.



Notwithstanding the vast differences in outward appearance of the peoples of the earth, from fair skinned Norwegians, to African pygmies, “all nations of men” are Homo sapiens. All humans can, within the constraints of blood typing, be transfused by the blood from men of “all nations.” This close biological relationship of mankind was cited before blood types and biological classifications were ever imagined.



John 18:37 Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?




Eighty-two percent of Americans believe that Jesus Christ was God, according to a survey taken by Princeton Survey Research Associates on Dec 2 and 3, 2004 for Newsweek Magazine. Jesus Christ said that people of the truth hear his voice. Today one especially hears atheists, most of them liberals, reply just as Pontius Pilate did two thousand years ago with a mockingly dishonest question: “What is truth?” when even a ten year old has the capacity to know what truth is. Some things never change.


Luke 21:33; Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.


Just as Genesis 1:1 foretold the scientific truth of the Big Bang, or as it is almost universally called today, “The Moment of Creation”, so too does the Gospel of Luke describe the passing away of matter. Stars like our own sun are consuming their own hydrogen, fusing it into helium, losing vast amounts of mass, and radiating that energy into the heavens. All starlight will eventually pass away, and the universe will ultimately become dark and absolutely cold (“heat death”), devoid of life as we know it. Numerous massive black holes have been indirectly observed. They attract matter and light into their domain, never to be seen again. Or so scientists thought before they once again changed their mind. It is now posited that Black Holes can radiate away energy, which is to say, mass. Even Black Holes seem to pass away.





The duration of primary elements of matter we call protons have a lifetime estimated to be 1033 years. The heaven and the earth shall pass into cold, dark oblivion, just as stated in the Holy Bible, a book ceaselessly mocked and ridiculed by the left. Thousands of years after the Bible said heaven and earth shall pass away, the Second Law of Thermodynamics simply repeated it, in the name of “science.” Universal heat death is the ultimate and final increase in entropy, or disorder. The origin of our universe as well as its demise were both described in an ancient book with astonishing precision. The universe has not always existed, as previously thought by scientists, nor was it assembled piecemeal. It was “created” with a Big Bang. The universe will not continue on forever, it will, it must pass away. These were not lucky guesses. They were inspirations from our Creator who wrote The Book, on life, on science, and on a meaningful life.

















* Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies, a term I invented, refers to the interrelated factors surrounding us that are utterly essential to life as Americans know and enjoy it.



First example: Oxygen happens to be one of the more reactive elements, and it exists in the most reactive phase, viz. gas. This dynamic equilibrium producing our essential breath of life is possible only because: 1. Reactions are reversible (how profoundly fortuitous!) and; 2. The reversibility of such reactions is, so far as we can tell, 100% and; 3. Natural laws are consistent and harmonious and discoverable, and; 4. Plants recycle oxygen from carbon dioxide, and water.



Second example: The sophisticated engineering of matter, constructed primarily out of three simple building blocks, electrons, protons, and neutrons, is evidenced by the fact that only one part in 10exp17 is matter, and the rest is empty space. Moreover these three foundational components can be combined with only slight variations to give us unique characteristics as found in metals, including high shear strength, malleability, ductility, high heat and electrical conductivity, profound availability, high melting points, and other features without which there could be no airplanes, cars, or even internal combustion engines. As essential as metals** are to internal combustion engines, they would be virtually worthless without hydrocarbons to burn in them, which hydrocarbons just happen to be available in wondrous, underground storage tanks, to be refined and used worldwide.

But without oxygen, and without its dispersal throughout our atmosphere, there could be no cars, no plane rides to faraway places, and no fires, even inside engines. Fire, a simple chemical reaction we have always taken for granted, is but one of the countless Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies.



** In contrast to water, plastic, glass, and fused quartz, which transmit light with near perfection, unlike metals.

One of the problems shared by religious extremists is their need to pretend their holy texts are science texts.

Perfect example of what's wrong with religion. California says they are going to extend the stay at home till July. But Churches in California say they are going to open up again May 31st.

I think religions are freaking out because the longer people stay away from church the more they get used to not going to church.

Now I'm sure a lot of people can't wait to get back to socializing too.
It don't matter when we open back up. The infections will spike again.

I'm glad I am retiring at the end of the year. I doubt I will go back into the office ever again.

The economy is going into the shitter. You'll probably get laid off. Now might be a good time for you to learn how to start praying.

I'm working stupid. I got lucky. I landed in an industry that is going to work even when no one else is. If you have to be certain your product is made right you need one of our machines. And lots of defense contractors use our stuff. I don't sell the machines I sell aftermarket. So while companies aren't buying machines, they are buying my accessories.

I know, I'm totally lucky I fell into this company. Any of the other companies I worked for in the past, I'd be on unemployment or furlough for sure.

Sorry, I had to go. My boss called. I'm working from home. I can do my job from my living room. It took some figuring out but I can now do my job remotely. No more paper.

You could say I'm blessed. But why would God bless a guy who denies he exists? He could have killed me with corona. Even if he did, I would still say I lived a blessed life as an atheist. So lucky to have been born in this century to my parents in this country. And so lucky I have $40K liquid cash saved in case I do get laid off, which I won't and I'll tell you why. Because my company will go bankrupt if I do. They furloughed me for 2 days. It was supposed to be 2 weeks. After 2 days they lost $10K in sales which means they lost $3K in profits. Long story short is because of me, everyone at my company keeps their healthcare and salaries. And people got brought back to work. They thought I was only going to sell $50K last month I sold $120K. So we made $40K profit on that last month and now we can pay everyone!!! Aren't you happy for me?

I think this pandemic has shown companies who is essential and who is not. I doubt you'll go back into the workforce again too.
You should work smart, not stupid.

God blesses everyone, even those who are working stupid.

Keep thinking you aren't replaceable though. What could possibly go wrong with that, right?

Yes, I am happy for you. It's bad form to wish ill will on anyone, even someone who behaves as you do.

I never left the workforce. But I do plan on retiring at the end of the year though. With two years of additional salary no less.

And if I choose to come back as a consultant in two years, it will be at $2,000 per day. :lol:
5 days a week? That's $10,000 a week. So you make $500K a year? I know you have claimed to be super rich before. If you really are, all I can say is why should people who make less than $100K a year vote the way you do? Of course Republicans are the party you like. No shit.
As a consultant. Sure. I work in the oil industry. It's insane what we get paid.
 

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The methods of science make no appeals to supernaturalism. I understand your goal is to denigrate the methods of science, but using fear and superstition that is derived from your belief in the supernatural doesn't further that goal.

You are dismissing the fact that religious institutions have often been a yolk (sic) around the neck of science and discovery. I think people are vastly more tolerant about scientific truths today than they were say, 400 years ago. In large part that's because religion has been throttled by the secular institutions. Not too many weathermen being burned at the stake these days because they predict a solar eclipse or a drought.

The day of the Christian church being able to imprison or lop the head off a person of contradicts church dogma has come and gone.

James Bond, Friend, I put Hollie on Ignore because she cannot communicate without being extremely demeaning while demonstrating her ignorance. I read your quotation of her misuse of egg yolk and was amused, so I quoted you and her nonsense popped up. I'll address it.

Hollie the "yolker": religion has been throttled by the secular institutions.

America's Ivy League Colleges are perhaps the most prestigious in the country if not the world.
They all have Christian Charters. Therefore they are NOT "secular."
Please name a "secular institution" with a charter expressing its atheist foundations.

Hollie the "yolker": Not too many weathermen being burned at the stake these days because they predict a solar eclipse or a drought.

Tens of millions of Chinese and Soviet citizens were executed and starved by atheists Joseph Stalin and Chairman Mao. Millions more died because the Japanese worshipped Emperor Hirohito and Germans believed themselves to be the "superior race" as they were dictated by Adolph Hitler, who murdered Christians, millions of Jews and tens of millions of Russians. YOUR godless bunch has no regard for human life and that was much more recent than when the Church "lopped off heads."

Nonsense such as that is why she must be ignored as an utter waste of time.
Actually, you put Hollie on ignore because she challenged the specious opinions you couldn't defend. As you're addressing Hollie now, obviously, you don't have Hollie on ignore.

If you're looking for an "ouch" contest with your heroes in the oppressive communist regimes, I could provide you with a tally of those slaughtered by religions, but then, you would just retreat to your safe zone of fear and ignorance.

Hollie: which is why I sometimes don't ignore you - sometimes you make good points (I ignore most of the rest). For example, "those slaughtered by religions" - a very important point. But you fail to note which religions. For example, Christendom has the most violent history of any group since Jesus' time. Islam is up there but does not come close to Christendom - e.g. World War I, WWII, the Rwanda genocide, the Serbian Orthodox 'ethnic cleansing of moslems in Bosnia and Kosovo.

But atheist regimes like Stalin also had their atrocities. Those of my religion practice what we preach - we do not go to war - one reason is Isiaah 2:2-4; another reason is that Jesus taught us to love our enemies (Matthew 5:44).

Now, is it possible for you to respond to my post respectfully?
It's very typical for religionists to invoke the "... but, but, but look over there. Those commies are as bad as we are."

Yes, communist / Stalinist regimes are typically atheistic. But that is incidental to the ideology. Stalin, Mao, Lenin are often thought to be psychopaths and eliminated religion as a competing ideology. That serves the goal of authoritarian rule.
 

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Actually, you put Hollie on ignore because she challenged the specious opinions you couldn't defend. As you're addressing Hollie now, obviously, you don't have Hollie on ignore.

If you're looking for an "ouch" contest with your heroes in the oppressive communist regimes, I could provide you with a tally of those slaughtered by religions, but then, you would just retreat to your safe zone of fear and ignorance.

You're on the wrong side to be discussing "ouch" contests. One of the worst things in life is pain and suffering. We have doctors to help take care of that here. Who do you get in the Lake of Fire? Dr. Fauci? Dr. Satan? The doctor who has weird hands and touches you in inappropriate places?
 

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Actually, you put Hollie on ignore because she challenged the specious opinions you couldn't defend. As you're addressing Hollie now, obviously, you don't have Hollie on ignore.

If you're looking for an "ouch" contest with your heroes in the oppressive communist regimes, I could provide you with a tally of those slaughtered by religions, but then, you would just retreat to your safe zone of fear and ignorance.

You're on the wrong side to be discussing "ouch" contests. One of the worst things in life is pain and suffering. We have doctors to help take care of that here. Who do you get in the Lake of Fire? Dr. Fauci? Dr. Satan? The doctor who has weird hands and touches you in inappropriate places?
You are free to terrorize children with the scare tactics of "lakes of fire" but I'm not impressed with such things.
 

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