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Science Of The Bible - My Original Work

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And so lucky I have $40K liquid cash saved in case I do get laid off, which I won't and I'll tell you why


WOW! Forty thousand bucks! You atheists REALLY ARE SMART! Gahhhhhhly.
How many of you Republicans started shitting your pants after the economy was shut down 2 weeks?

That's 40K liquid. I have a 20K cd coming due in a week. I'm going to put 20K in the stock market. f*** getting .5% interest in a 6 month cd. I'd rather put it in the stock market.

Give it up, bobo. You're in way over your head. WAY over. Do you even have a clue how to invest in the stock market? Many of us reading this see our portfolios go up or down more than $20,000 in a day.

Republicans advance liberty, and freedom, not dependence, not socialism. Republicans don't dwell on fear of *climate change*, fear of Covid, fear of everything. Fear is YOUR domain.

Now bobo, join your friends on my Ignore List. You have nothing to say that could possibly interest me.
ciao brutto
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Science of the Bible



I graduated with a degree in chemical engineering, a science by any definition of the term. Therefore I understand, and subscribe to the tenets of the scientific method. If anything has given me an appreciation for the Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies* which make life possible, it is the objectivity engendered by my scientific background, coupled with common sense so often lacking in many highly educated people. It is completely anti-intellectual of the godless Left to denigrate Christians, often maliciously so. Calling Christians “fundies” and “believers in a flat earth” seems to give many people the perverse notion that they are erudite, and can consign us to the backwaters of ignorance. Just as Jesus overturned the tables of the money-changers in His Temple, so too is it my intention to overturn the tables of the intolerant Left with these personally written observations correlating science with its Creator.



Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


The Holy Bible was written more than 2000 years ago. In 1924, Edwin Hubble proved that the spiral nebula in the constellation Andromeda was a separate island universe, apart from the Milky Way. This extended the size and scale of our universe by many orders of magnitude. Then, after hearing Albert Einstein's theory of relativity, Georges Lemaître, an ordained Catholic priest, proposed the “primeval atom” in 1927 – in other words, the creation of the universe. This breathtaking advancement in scientific thinking came not from a pontificating atheist, claiming to have exclusive jurisdiction over truth and science, but rather from a devoted follower of the Creator of heaven and earth. Contrary to their pretensions, atheists do not possess the only key to discovery and knowledge.


In 1929, Fred Hubble discovered the Red Shift, eliminating any doubt that Lemaitre was right and Einstein wrong. Einstein had said to Lemaître , "your mathematics is correct but your physics is abominable." This phenomenon, Red Shift, shows that some galaxies are moving away from us at greater speeds than others, and that such velocities are proportional to their distance. This gave strong corroboration to the Big Bang theory of creation. The residual heat predicted in 1927 by Lemaître, and derisively dismissed by Albert Einstein, was later confirmed by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson who in 1965 discovered the residual background radiation which is a remnant of the Big Bang. Penzias and Wilson of course received the Nobel Prize for their discovery, which was accidental. The penning of Genesis 1:1 was not.


Prior to Lemaître’s radical proposal, scientists believed that the universe was eternal, that it had always been as we see it today. An inherent aspect of the Steady State Universe is the assumption that matter is continuously being created, somewhere, somehow. This passed for science, until it was disproved in the 1965 Astrophysical Journal.



So we see Twentieth Century confirmation of the profoundly deep science originally expressed in the first sentence of the first paragraph of the first book of the Bible, and scientifically advanced centuries later by a Catholic priest (A “Fundie,”as Christians are so snidely denigrated by atheists), before anyone else.


Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.




Modern chemistry could not have begun before 1802, when John Dalton formally provided experimental evidence that matter is composed of discrete atoms. Everything before this was mere speculation – guesswork. Nevertheless, it is clearly stated in Genesis that man is “formed of the dust of the ground”, which is to say, the same elements of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, iron, nitrogen, etc, that we find in . . . dust of the ground, minerals.


Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every foul of the air;


The same elements which form humans also form animals everywhere. However, there is no Biblical reference to “a living soul” with respect to animals. Nor do animals have the capacity to worship and appreciate the spirituality and hope that is one of the premier hallmarks of mankind, and our supreme bequest.


Genesis 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.


One would think that as a result of the disciplines and analyses and benefits the manmade invention of science has helped us to discover, mankind should have been able to eliminate corruption and violence so prevalent thousands of years ago. Today, we have tools of production and health and social enlightenment unimaginable when the book of Genesis was written. But the earth today is still full of corruption and violence. Cornucopias of goods and services have not satisfied mankind’s lust for more, nor have psychologists and sociologists resolved the complex issues that lead people into destructive behavior. With burgeoning prison populations, and monstrous acts of evil on the increase worldwide, there seems little hope that corruption and violence will ever be eradicated by secular science.


Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Although the North American Continent was unknown when the Bible was written, paleontologists confirm that the interior of North America was once covered by shallow seas. Fossil evidence from distant parts of the globe that were unknown to inhabitants of ancient Israel lends scientific confirmation to the Noachian Flood described in the most ancient book of science known to man, the Holy Bible. . I do not pretend to know the length of the six "days" of creation. However it is abundantly clear to me that the Elegance of Everything and the insuperable statistics of abiogenesis and the Anthropic Principle are eternally inexplicable by any exclusively naturalistic method. To those with eyes, God’s Hand is clearly visible everywhere one looks.


Exodus 3:14 I am hath sent me unto you.....


John 9:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.




The naturalistic, if you will, “scientific” approach to explaining how man and energy and matter and space originated is to examine what is observable, and formulate hypotheses and theories based on observation and reason. There is no scientific explanation for the origin of matter and energy and information at the Moment of Creation, the Singularity, and obviously no experiment can examine, much less confirm any hypothesis of what first happened to lead to us and everything we see.

In contrast, God defies scientific explanation because He is outside its purview. If miracles were scientifically explicable, they would not be miracles. After all, God created the physical realm that is the subject of scientific inquiry and we are still desperately trying to understand that aspect of His handiwork. Had mere mortals written where God came from without divine inspiration, they surely could not have presented such an elegant explanation as “I am” – an explanation that suffices even two thousand years later. Where did God come from? "I am." The universe is not eternal, but God is.


I have only a vague notion of how my computer works as I type this on it. Although I don’t know how it works, I do know that it is real and that it operates in a marvelous, almost magical way. I don’t need to understand things to believe in and use them. And how much more marvelous is my brain and yours than these primitive computers, not one of which designed, much less built itself.



Many people don’t realize that science basically involves assumptions and faith. Wonderful things in both science and religion come from our efforts based on observations, thoughtful assumptions, faith and logic. (With the findings of modern physics, it) seems extremely unlikely (that the existence of life and humanity are ) just accidental.” – Charles Townes, Nobel Laureate and Professor of Physics at UC Berkeley





Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.




Has anyone the slightest doubt as to how “empty” the North Pole is? Nobody living in the Middle East could possibly have visited “the north” so as to confirm what was then being written. These immutable scientific truths – two here in a single sentence - were far too coincidental to be attributable to luck. No, they were divinely inspired, as were so many things in the Bible. The earth truly hangs “upon nothing”, as confirmed by countless photographs from satellites and space stations, not to mention men on the moon, and the north is indeed an “empty place” by any measure.



Job 26:14 Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?



With all our wisdom, and all our science, and all our research, “who can understand” anything today. Ultimate scientific answers continue to elude us everywhere one looks ! The pretense is that all this magnificent science that we see and study arose from nothing, based solely on megatime and megauniverses. Insuperable statistical impossibilities are explained away with clever wordplay and nebulous theories – anything at all to deny the Hand of the Creator so evident to casual observers, of all educational backgrounds, and all nationalities, and all times. That is, except for those who will not see.


Job 28:5 As for the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire.



The molten iron core of the earth was inconceivable because it was not discoverable when this passage was written. “Under (earth) it is turned up as it were fire.”

Ah, some may say, “But there were volcanoes even then.” True enough. But are not volcanoes both isolated and rare, and not so much “under” the earth as above it? The molten core of the earth accords far better with this passage. Their scientific agreement is not coincidental, but rather Divinely inspired and guided.



Job 38:1,2 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said

Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?




How often one hears words uttered without knowledge by pretenders of science and enlightenment.



Job 38:24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?



The most learned scientist of antiquity could not have imagined the depth of this question. When light is "parted" by a diffraction grating, it can be shown to act both as particles as well as waves. These combinations of properties are difficult to understand much less explain. And the prodigious amounts of energy transmitted by solar radiation does indeed scatter the wind upon the earth as it heats different substances at different rates. Job could not have offered an adequate answer to the question, along the lines of: "Discrete photons of light travel together as a wave until parted into disparate visible components by striking and reflecting from solid objects into our eyes, while other wavelengths give up their energy as they are absorbed by solids and water. Temperature differentials established by ambient sunlight striking dissimilar surfaces create 'the east wind' so described."



Psalms 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.



NASA maintains a website which is updated daily. Its purpose, however unintended, is to “declare the glory of God” and to “show his handiwork.”



Astronomy Picture of the Day


How remarkable that so repetitive and well known a phenomenon as sunset can delight people of all ages, and all times, and all civilizations. How much more delightful are the glories and handiworks seen in national parks and sightseeing attractions worldwide, so many of which could scarcely have been known by the Bible’s authors. Nor had the first telescope been invented 2000 years ago. How is it that the more deeply we have seen, the more handiwork we have seen? How is it?



Psalms 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.



Mankind is indeed “fearfully and wonderfully made.” The sophistication of our construction begins at the atomic level with atoms that are one part in 10^17 nucleus and the rest empty space. Then consider our DNA, which is 45 trillion times more compact and efficient at data storage than today’s sophisticated computer microchips.



Our brains have the memory capacity of 100 billion megabytes, which far exceeds anything conceivably necessary from a “selection” point of view.



Our optic nerves transmit information at 4 gigabaud, which is 71,000 times faster than a dial up modem, and 1,000 times faster than an ultra-high speed T-1 line for a computer.

The human eye sees in exquisite detail, over about 13 orders of magnitude of light intensity. Although the eye is often said to be flawed in its design by Darwinists and atheists, I would very much like to see them replace a human eye with something better which they have designed and built from lab reagents.



Our ears hear over 13 orders of magnitude in sound intensity. Even more amazing, the ears perform a Fourier Analysis. In other words, our eardrums receive a single wave function at the eardrum. Then they break down this single wave function into its constituent sounds. For example, at a concert, your ears hear drums, brass, violins, solo arias, and the person behind you coughing, only because this blended noise is separated inside your ear. If your eyes performed a similar function, they would break down white just as a prism does, into disparate pure colors.



Finally, our two eyes enable us to discern distance (and relative size) by triangulation. Our brains automatically compute the angle of the object seen, and compute its approximate distance. Similarly, our two ears enable us to discern the direction from which noises emanate not only because we have two ears, but also because of the relatively slow speed of sound. A difference in the arrival time from one ear to another of one thousandth to one ten-thousandth of a second is sufficient to discern, so that we can tell generally where a sound originated. If sound were substantially faster, both our ears would hear the sound at about the same time, and we could not enjoy stereophonic music, nor tell where sounds came from.



In His wisdom, God made these velocities profoundly useful to us (as well, of course, as many, many other physical constants besides). They did not "evolve" to such values. And should they have been substantially different, say reversed, no evolutionary "modification" could possibly compensate to give us what we now have.



Biochemistry is so profoundly complex that we are only beginning to appreciate how “wonderfully” we are made. Human blood defies LeChatelier’s Principle, in that when one molecule of oxygen is adsorbed by a hemoglobin molecule, its affinity for oxygen grows, instead of diminishing. The second molecule increases the affinity for the third, and the third for the fourth. This is precisely the reverse of normal chemistry principles and experimental observations. Our bodies’ powers of endurance and healing are absolutely astounding.



The list of features of our wonderful construction begins with conception, continues through growth, and concludes with our spiritual transformations evidenced time and again by the scientific observations of such people as Elisabeth Kubler-Ross. Dr. Kubler-Ross documented hundreds of instances of scientific evidence of a spiritual nature. She convincingly testified that she could not be persuaded of any naturalistic (scientific) explanation for it.



Ecclesiastes 1:13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven;



“To seek out and search by wisdom” truth. This is the very fundamental definition of science.



Ecclesiastes 1:7 All rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence rivers come, thither they return again.



The cyclical nature of nature encompasses us. The water cycle is described only with utmost brevity in Ecclesiastes. Today we understand (considerably better than did Biblical authors) water and its importance in most chemical processes, as well as its profoundly fortuitous cyclical nature, as originally shown in the Bible. Beyond this, we can see and describe cycles of carbon, and nitrogen, and oxygen, and hydrogen. We are able to comprehend the nature of energy, and the conservation of not only energy, but also of matter itself. More complex by far is the transformation of matter into energy, which gives us sunlight continuously. Why should all these things be? And why so reliably? Why are chemical reactions so wonderfully and perfectly reversible? Why? For the same reason that we are “fearfully and wonderfully made”. For that reason. These Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies did not just fall into place with Megaluck over Megatime, as some scientists posit, their fingers crossed.



Ecclesiastes 2:13 Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness.


Again and again there are Biblical references to wisdom, prudence, diligence, and other virtues. The essence of science is the pursuit of truth, knowledge, and facts. However, wisdom requires more than mere knowledge. Wisdom requires the integration of scientific truths with far more virtuous conduct than the mere accretion of naturalism.

Hitler and Stalin appreciated the science of Darwinism for its atheistic implications, but of wisdom, they had none.


Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words;

What vain words? Atheists are "rational," "scientific," "intelligent." Atheists do not seek wisdom, but preach vanity. They claim God's design of the human body is fraught with flaws, and that they could have done a much better job. Vanity, condescension, pretension. These attributes have no place in any discussion of science.

Pride goeth before a fall. - Proverbs 16:18




Ecclesiastes 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.




Can you name even one aspect of our universe that is known “from the beginning to the end”? Research continues everywhere, with absolutely no end remotely in sight. Research at the subatomic level, at the molecular level, at the cellular level, at the human level, at the planetary level, and at the galactic level.

How is it that we don’t know everything about anything, if all that we see came about from nothing, as materialists contend? How is that possible? Infinite complexity from nothing is infinitely absurd and infinitely improbable. There is not the slightest scientific basis or law for their grand proposal. Profound organization and information and consistency and physical laws, originating…. HOW ! An infinite God makes spiritual sense. He is utterly beyond the purview of science - which is merely another of God’s brilliant creations. As to the mocking question of “Who made God,” Professor John Lennox of Cambridge University gives us the answer: “If anybody made God, then He wouldn’t be God, would He!” (See Lennox’ one hour lecture, “A Matter of Gravity” on YouTube.)



Two things are incomprehensible. First, the origin of everything from nothing, and second, God Himself, Who so wondrously explains and accounts for everything else. Everyone must choose his own incomprehensible option. The first is random and meaningless, literally and figuratively. The second option is elegant, beautiful, hopeful, and wonderful beyond understanding. This second option matches the creative genius that surrounds us.



Ecclesiastes 7:9 Reprove not a scorner lest he hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you.



Proverbs 9:8 Anger rests in the bosom of fools.




Try reproving an atheist and see how angry and hateful he is.


Proverbs 16:16 How much better is it to get wisdom than gold; and to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver.



Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.




Wisdom excelleth folly as far as light excelleth darkness. The Creator of mankind does not want anyone to be fooled; He does not wish that we be gullible, or duped by clever sounding words, whether they be from scientists wearing white robes, or priests wearing white robes. It is the essence of science to search for truth, and ask questions, and seek to answer them. Toward this end, we must acknowledge the extremely transitional nature of scientific “fact”, and the pretexts of contemporary scientific infallibility. Nowhere is the attempt to deceive us more malicious and destructive than when it seeks to deny the very existence of our Creator, and separate us from Him – permanently.



Forty percent of those listed in Who’s Who In Science acknowledge a personal belief in God. You must ask yourself why. Surely these people are not the fools that some scientific atheists accuse you and me of being.



John 3:11, 12 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.



If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?




The timeless veracity and wisdom of this statement is prophetic. After over two thousand years, what is often called the “myth” that is the Holy Bible, cannot remotely be discredited. To the contrary, the obvious and manifest benefits to mankind of Christianity have been repeatedly addressed by professionals in psychology, criminology, and other modern disciplines. The deep and abiding science, beginning with the first sentence in the first Book, is compelling testimony. For these reasons and more, Christianity is today the most popular human organization there has ever been. Yet many still “receive not our witness.” How can this be? Why will mankind not learn?



I Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.



Is there a more concise explanation of the scientific method? “Prove all things”? The essence of modern science is the proof of testable hypotheses, as scientists like to say. Such technique was proposed in the Scriptures which are mocked by so many who are proud of their lack of belief.







Hebrews 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.


This is confirmation of Genesis 1:1. Natural Theology, written in 1809 by William Paley, makes a similar argument from design. Just as a Boeing 747 can never be the product of an explosion in a junkyard, neither can the far more intricate construction of a human being be the ultimate product of random mutations, selectively but blindly “chosen.” See also www.2001Principle.net


Mark 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.




Although not strictly “scientific”, the foregoing verse demonstrates a profound economic truth notwithstanding the astonishing achievements of modern science. Had one the vision to see forward more than 2000 years to witness the abundance of food and material goods we now produce, surely one would have surmised that “the poor” would be no more than a relic of the ancient past. Not so. In fact, nowhere are “the poor” more common and more destitute than in socialist countries led by atheist despots.



Acts 17:26 (God) hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation.



Notwithstanding the vast differences in outward appearance of the peoples of the earth, from fair skinned Norwegians, to African pygmies, “all nations of men” are Homo sapiens. All humans can, within the constraints of blood typing, be transfused by the blood from men of “all nations.” This close biological relationship of mankind was cited before blood types and biological classifications were ever imagined.



John 18:37 Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?




Eighty-two percent of Americans believe that Jesus Christ was God, according to a survey taken by Princeton Survey Research Associates on Dec 2 and 3, 2004 for Newsweek Magazine. Jesus Christ said that people of the truth hear his voice. Today one especially hears atheists, most of them liberals, reply just as Pontius Pilate did two thousand years ago with a mockingly dishonest question: “What is truth?” when even a ten year old has the capacity to know what truth is. Some things never change.


Luke 21:33; Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.


Just as Genesis 1:1 foretold the scientific truth of the Big Bang, or as it is almost universally called today, “The Moment of Creation”, so too does the Gospel of Luke describe the passing away of matter. Stars like our own sun are consuming their own hydrogen, fusing it into helium, losing vast amounts of mass, and radiating that energy into the heavens. All starlight will eventually pass away, and the universe will ultimately become dark and absolutely cold (“heat death”), devoid of life as we know it. Numerous massive black holes have been indirectly observed. They attract matter and light into their domain, never to be seen again. Or so scientists thought before they once again changed their mind. It is now posited that Black Holes can radiate away energy, which is to say, mass. Even Black Holes seem to pass away.





The duration of primary elements of matter we call protons have a lifetime estimated to be 1033 years. The heaven and the earth shall pass into cold, dark oblivion, just as stated in the Holy Bible, a book ceaselessly mocked and ridiculed by the left. Thousands of years after the Bible said heaven and earth shall pass away, the Second Law of Thermodynamics simply repeated it, in the name of “science.” Universal heat death is the ultimate and final increase in entropy, or disorder. The origin of our universe as well as its demise were both described in an ancient book with astonishing precision. The universe has not always existed, as previously thought by scientists, nor was it assembled piecemeal. It was “created” with a Big Bang. The universe will not continue on forever, it will, it must pass away. These were not lucky guesses. They were inspirations from our Creator who wrote The Book, on life, on science, and on a meaningful life.

















* Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies, a term I invented, refers to the interrelated factors surrounding us that are utterly essential to life as Americans know and enjoy it.



First example: Oxygen happens to be one of the more reactive elements, and it exists in the most reactive phase, viz. gas. This dynamic equilibrium producing our essential breath of life is possible only because: 1. Reactions are reversible (how profoundly fortuitous!) and; 2. The reversibility of such reactions is, so far as we can tell, 100% and; 3. Natural laws are consistent and harmonious and discoverable, and; 4. Plants recycle oxygen from carbon dioxide, and water.



Second example: The sophisticated engineering of matter, constructed primarily out of three simple building blocks, electrons, protons, and neutrons, is evidenced by the fact that only one part in 10exp17 is matter, and the rest is empty space. Moreover these three foundational components can be combined with only slight variations to give us unique characteristics as found in metals, including high shear strength, malleability, ductility, high heat and electrical conductivity, profound availability, high melting points, and other features without which there could be no airplanes, cars, or even internal combustion engines. As essential as metals** are to internal combustion engines, they would be virtually worthless without hydrocarbons to burn in them, which hydrocarbons just happen to be available in wondrous, underground storage tanks, to be refined and used worldwide.

But without oxygen, and without its dispersal throughout our atmosphere, there could be no cars, no plane rides to faraway places, and no fires, even inside engines. Fire, a simple chemical reaction we have always taken for granted, is but one of the countless Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies.



** In contrast to water, plastic, glass, and fused quartz, which transmit light with near perfection, unlike metals.

One of the problems shared by religious extremists is their need to pretend their holy texts are science texts.

Perfect example of what's wrong with religion. California says they are going to extend the stay at home till July. But Churches in California say they are going to open up again May 31st.

I think religions are freaking out because the longer people stay away from church the more they get used to not going to church.

Now I'm sure a lot of people can't wait to get back to socializing too.
It don't matter when we open back up. The infections will spike again.

I'm glad I am retiring at the end of the year. I doubt I will go back into the office ever again.

The economy is going into the shitter. You'll probably get laid off. Now might be a good time for you to learn how to start praying.

I'm working stupid. I got lucky. I landed in an industry that is going to work even when no one else is. If you have to be certain your product is made right you need one of our machines. And lots of defense contractors use our stuff. I don't sell the machines I sell aftermarket. So while companies aren't buying machines, they are buying my accessories.

I know, I'm totally lucky I fell into this company. Any of the other companies I worked for in the past, I'd be on unemployment or furlough for sure.

Sorry, I had to go. My boss called. I'm working from home. I can do my job from my living room. It took some figuring out but I can now do my job remotely. No more paper.

You could say I'm blessed. But why would God bless a guy who denies he exists? He could have killed me with corona. Even if he did, I would still say I lived a blessed life as an atheist. So lucky to have been born in this century to my parents in this country. And so lucky I have $40K liquid cash saved in case I do get laid off, which I won't and I'll tell you why. Because my company will go bankrupt if I do. They furloughed me for 2 days. It was supposed to be 2 weeks. After 2 days they lost $10K in sales which means they lost $3K in profits. Long story short is because of me, everyone at my company keeps their healthcare and salaries. And people got brought back to work. They thought I was only going to sell $50K last month I sold $120K. So we made $40K profit on that last month and now we can pay everyone!!! Aren't you happy for me?

I think this pandemic has shown companies who is essential and who is not. I doubt you'll go back into the workforce again too.
You should work smart, not stupid.

God blesses everyone, even those who are working stupid.

Keep thinking you aren't replaceable though. What could possibly go wrong with that, right?

Yes, I am happy for you. It's bad form to wish ill will on anyone, even someone who behaves as you do.

I never left the workforce. But I do plan on retiring at the end of the year though. With two years of additional salary no less.

And if I choose to come back as a consultant in two years, it will be at $2,000 per day. :lol:
5 days a week? That's $10,000 a week. So you make $500K a year? I know you have claimed to be super rich before. If you really are, all I can say is why should people who make less than $100K a year vote the way you do? Of course Republicans are the party you like. No shit.
As a consultant. Sure. I work in the oil industry. It's insane what we get paid.
Not that it matters but I’m not sure if I buy it. But then again my bro is a high roller and he tells me how much all the middle management people make at his big organization. So imagine a big manufacturing company with many different divisions. My bro just works in hr and there are tons of people in hr who all make between $250,000 and maybe the top hr people make close to 1 million. And that’s just hr. Not sales, finance, IT, Marketing, etc. so you very well could make the kind of money you say you make. Ok, I buy it.

anyways, now that I make 6 figures I still can’t vote gop. They’re horrible for middle class. Just look what their policies have produced. Rich richer middle class struggling.
 

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Actually, you put Hollie on ignore because she challenged the specious opinions you couldn't defend. As you're addressing Hollie now, obviously, you don't have Hollie on ignore.

If you're looking for an "ouch" contest with your heroes in the oppressive communist regimes, I could provide you with a tally of those slaughtered by religions, but then, you would just retreat to your safe zone of fear and ignorance.

You're on the wrong side to be discussing "ouch" contests. One of the worst things in life is pain and suffering. We have doctors to help take care of that here. Who do you get in the Lake of Fire? Dr. Fauci? Dr. Satan? The doctor who has weird hands and touches you in inappropriate places?
You are free to terrorize children with the scare tactics of "lakes of fire" but I'm not impressed with such things.
I’m not hoping this happens but I predict that churches are going to start congregating sooner than they should and a lot of their old people are going to die.

And I bet a lot of old people won’t be going back to church as soon as a 30 year old.

im curious to see what happens.

i don’t care if movie theaters, sporting events, churches, Disney world, bars, airports, dine in restaurants all open up. I won’t be going to these places. And I’m curious to see what happens to people who do. I hope I’m wrong.
 

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See my post 175. Continuing:

I also had posted about the fact that water destroys chemical pathways to proteins. Many origin of life synthesis experiments consider HCN (Hydrogen Cyanide) to be a first step towards amino acid synthesis, yet HCN reacts with water not only directly to form formic acid (the primary product in the Miller experiment), but also dead ends on other possible steps from HCN to amino acids. I had posted these examples:

1. HCN to Cyanogen (C2N2) + H2O yields cyanoformamide (C2H2N2O) + H2O yields ethanediamide (C2H4N2O2)

2. HCN to dicyanamide (C2N3) + H2O yields cyanourea (C2H3N3O) + H2O yields Biuret (C2H5N3O2 )

3. HCN to Cyanamide (CH2N2) + H2O yields Urea (CO(NH2)2 = CH4N2O = NH2CONH2)

4. HCN to Cyanamide (CH2N2) + H2O yields carbodiimide (RN=C=NR.) + H2O yields Urea

[Note: The carbodiimide dicyclohexylcarbodiimide (C13H22N2 ) is used in peptide synthesis,"]

5. HCN + H2O yields formamide (CH3NO) + H2O yields formic acid (HCOOH = CH₂O₂)

6. HCN + H2O yields formamidine (CH4N2 ) + H2O yields formic acid (HCOOH = CH2O2)

7. HCN to Cyanoacetylene (C3HN) + H2O yields Cyanoacetaldehide (C3H3NO).

Thus far no one has posted any way out of these chemical reactions without the guidance/selection of an intelligent chemist.
 

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See my post 175. Continuing:

I also had posted about the fact that water destroys chemical pathways to proteins. Many origin of life synthesis experiments consider HCN (Hydrogen Cyanide) to be a first step towards amino acid synthesis, yet HCN reacts with water not only directly to form formic acid (the primary product in the Miller experiment), but also dead ends on other possible steps from HCN to amino acids. I had posted these examples:

1. HCN to Cyanogen (C2N2) + H2O yields cyanoformamide (C2H2N2O) + H2O yields ethanediamide (C2H4N2O2)

2. HCN to dicyanamide (C2N3) + H2O yields cyanourea (C2H3N3O) + H2O yields Biuret (C2H5N3O2 )

3. HCN to Cyanamide (CH2N2) + H2O yields Urea (CO(NH2)2 = CH4N2O = NH2CONH2)

4. HCN to Cyanamide (CH2N2) + H2O yields carbodiimide (RN=C=NR.) + H2O yields Urea

[Note: The carbodiimide dicyclohexylcarbodiimide (C13H22N2 ) is used in peptide synthesis,"]

5. HCN + H2O yields formamide (CH3NO) + H2O yields formic acid (HCOOH = CH₂O₂)

6. HCN + H2O yields formamidine (CH4N2 ) + H2O yields formic acid (HCOOH = CH2O2)

7. HCN to Cyanoacetylene (C3HN) + H2O yields Cyanoacetaldehide (C3H3NO).

Thus far no one has posted any way out of these chemical reactions without the guidance/selection of an intelligent chemist.
The example of a fallacious argument: "you haven't disproved it therefore, the gods did it".

This is a stereotypical creationist argument but it fails.

I have in fact posted a way out of these chemical reactions without the guidance/selection of an intelligent creationist designer chemist. Prove I haven't.
 
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1. The different properties of the 20 different amino acids in proteins required different environments to synthesize including wet vs. dry (even with condensing agents), acid vs base (alkaline), hot vs cold. These different environments could not have existed in the same time and place (at the creation of life) without an intelligent chemist.

2. The need for selection of the 20 required amino acids out of so many other chemical reaction products including the correct isomer for each amino acid and the correct chirality. Also the precise 3-d structure required for enzymes and receptors to fit to perform specific functions for life. This selection could not occur without an intelligent chemist.

Moreover, the Miller-Urey Experiment has been completely discredited as the conditions used in the experiment have been shown to be completely different than those which were actually present.
Even if that were not the case, the hoped for magic is doomed from the outset for a wide variety of reasons correctly stated by Newtonian - components lacking, insufficient concentrations of those made, non-peptide bonds as often formed as frequently as the required peptide bonds, insurmountable chirality problem as only the L form (as opposed to the R form) is found in humans (with a few exceptions), and what first directed the proper folding of proteins, hmmmm? No easy task. It's not like folding your shirt. Nobody has been awarded a Nobel Prize for synthesizing human proteins in the lab. We still extract blood from volunteers because we can't manufacture it and we have the formula!
 

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1. The different properties of the 20 different amino acids in proteins required different environments to synthesize including wet vs. dry (even with condensing agents), acid vs base (alkaline), hot vs cold. These different environments could not have existed in the same time and place (at the creation of life) without an intelligent chemist.

2. The need for selection of the 20 required amino acids out of so many other chemical reaction products including the correct isomer for each amino acid and the correct chirality. Also the precise 3-d structure required for enzymes and receptors to fit to perform specific functions for life. This selection could not occur without an intelligent chemist.

Moreover, the Miller-Urey Experiment has been completely discredited as the conditions used in the experiment have been shown to be completely different than those which were actually present.
Even if that were not the case, the hoped for magic is doomed from the outset for a wide variety of reasons correctly stated by Newtonian - components lacking, insufficient concentrations of those made, non-peptide bonds as often formed as frequently as the required peptide bonds, insurmountable chirality problem as only the L form (as opposed to the R form) is found in humans (with a few exceptions), and what first directed the proper folding of proteins, hmmmm? No easy task. It's not like folding your shirt. Nobody has been awarded a Nobel Prize for synthesizing human proteins in the lab. We still extract blood from volunteers because we can't manufacture it and we have the formula!
Religious extremists stereotypically seize on a mid 1950's experiment not conclusively proving abiogenesis as a failure for science and explicit proof of their gods. The extremists ignore later experiments which actually come closer than Miller-Urey while not "proving" abiogenesis.

What the religious extremists don't do is make any positive assertions for their gods. Positive assertions for supernaturalism are understandably difficult but an inconclusive science experiment clearly doesn't offer proof of gods.
 

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Science of the Bible



I graduated with a degree in chemical engineering, a science by any definition of the term. Therefore I understand, and subscribe to the tenets of the scientific method. If anything has given me an appreciation for the Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies* which make life possible, it is the objectivity engendered by my scientific background, coupled with common sense so often lacking in many highly educated people. It is completely anti-intellectual of the godless Left to denigrate Christians, often maliciously so. Calling Christians “fundies” and “believers in a flat earth” seems to give many people the perverse notion that they are erudite, and can consign us to the backwaters of ignorance. Just as Jesus overturned the tables of the money-changers in His Temple, so too is it my intention to overturn the tables of the intolerant Left with these personally written observations correlating science with its Creator.



Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


The Holy Bible was written more than 2000 years ago. In 1924, Edwin Hubble proved that the spiral nebula in the constellation Andromeda was a separate island universe, apart from the Milky Way. This extended the size and scale of our universe by many orders of magnitude. Then, after hearing Albert Einstein's theory of relativity, Georges Lemaître, an ordained Catholic priest, proposed the “primeval atom” in 1927 – in other words, the creation of the universe. This breathtaking advancement in scientific thinking came not from a pontificating atheist, claiming to have exclusive jurisdiction over truth and science, but rather from a devoted follower of the Creator of heaven and earth. Contrary to their pretensions, atheists do not possess the only key to discovery and knowledge.


In 1929, Fred Hubble discovered the Red Shift, eliminating any doubt that Lemaitre was right and Einstein wrong. Einstein had said to Lemaître , "your mathematics is correct but your physics is abominable." This phenomenon, Red Shift, shows that some galaxies are moving away from us at greater speeds than others, and that such velocities are proportional to their distance. This gave strong corroboration to the Big Bang theory of creation. The residual heat predicted in 1927 by Lemaître, and derisively dismissed by Albert Einstein, was later confirmed by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson who in 1965 discovered the residual background radiation which is a remnant of the Big Bang. Penzias and Wilson of course received the Nobel Prize for their discovery, which was accidental. The penning of Genesis 1:1 was not.


Prior to Lemaître’s radical proposal, scientists believed that the universe was eternal, that it had always been as we see it today. An inherent aspect of the Steady State Universe is the assumption that matter is continuously being created, somewhere, somehow. This passed for science, until it was disproved in the 1965 Astrophysical Journal.



So we see Twentieth Century confirmation of the profoundly deep science originally expressed in the first sentence of the first paragraph of the first book of the Bible, and scientifically advanced centuries later by a Catholic priest (A “Fundie,”as Christians are so snidely denigrated by atheists), before anyone else.


Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.




Modern chemistry could not have begun before 1802, when John Dalton formally provided experimental evidence that matter is composed of discrete atoms. Everything before this was mere speculation – guesswork. Nevertheless, it is clearly stated in Genesis that man is “formed of the dust of the ground”, which is to say, the same elements of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, iron, nitrogen, etc, that we find in . . . dust of the ground, minerals.


Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every foul of the air;


The same elements which form humans also form animals everywhere. However, there is no Biblical reference to “a living soul” with respect to animals. Nor do animals have the capacity to worship and appreciate the spirituality and hope that is one of the premier hallmarks of mankind, and our supreme bequest.


Genesis 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.


One would think that as a result of the disciplines and analyses and benefits the manmade invention of science has helped us to discover, mankind should have been able to eliminate corruption and violence so prevalent thousands of years ago. Today, we have tools of production and health and social enlightenment unimaginable when the book of Genesis was written. But the earth today is still full of corruption and violence. Cornucopias of goods and services have not satisfied mankind’s lust for more, nor have psychologists and sociologists resolved the complex issues that lead people into destructive behavior. With burgeoning prison populations, and monstrous acts of evil on the increase worldwide, there seems little hope that corruption and violence will ever be eradicated by secular science.


Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Although the North American Continent was unknown when the Bible was written, paleontologists confirm that the interior of North America was once covered by shallow seas. Fossil evidence from distant parts of the globe that were unknown to inhabitants of ancient Israel lends scientific confirmation to the Noachian Flood described in the most ancient book of science known to man, the Holy Bible. . I do not pretend to know the length of the six "days" of creation. However it is abundantly clear to me that the Elegance of Everything and the insuperable statistics of abiogenesis and the Anthropic Principle are eternally inexplicable by any exclusively naturalistic method. To those with eyes, God’s Hand is clearly visible everywhere one looks.


Exodus 3:14 I am hath sent me unto you.....


John 9:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.




The naturalistic, if you will, “scientific” approach to explaining how man and energy and matter and space originated is to examine what is observable, and formulate hypotheses and theories based on observation and reason. There is no scientific explanation for the origin of matter and energy and information at the Moment of Creation, the Singularity, and obviously no experiment can examine, much less confirm any hypothesis of what first happened to lead to us and everything we see.

In contrast, God defies scientific explanation because He is outside its purview. If miracles were scientifically explicable, they would not be miracles. After all, God created the physical realm that is the subject of scientific inquiry and we are still desperately trying to understand that aspect of His handiwork. Had mere mortals written where God came from without divine inspiration, they surely could not have presented such an elegant explanation as “I am” – an explanation that suffices even two thousand years later. Where did God come from? "I am." The universe is not eternal, but God is.


I have only a vague notion of how my computer works as I type this on it. Although I don’t know how it works, I do know that it is real and that it operates in a marvelous, almost magical way. I don’t need to understand things to believe in and use them. And how much more marvelous is my brain and yours than these primitive computers, not one of which designed, much less built itself.



Many people don’t realize that science basically involves assumptions and faith. Wonderful things in both science and religion come from our efforts based on observations, thoughtful assumptions, faith and logic. (With the findings of modern physics, it) seems extremely unlikely (that the existence of life and humanity are ) just accidental.” – Charles Townes, Nobel Laureate and Professor of Physics at UC Berkeley





Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.




Has anyone the slightest doubt as to how “empty” the North Pole is? Nobody living in the Middle East could possibly have visited “the north” so as to confirm what was then being written. These immutable scientific truths – two here in a single sentence - were far too coincidental to be attributable to luck. No, they were divinely inspired, as were so many things in the Bible. The earth truly hangs “upon nothing”, as confirmed by countless photographs from satellites and space stations, not to mention men on the moon, and the north is indeed an “empty place” by any measure.



Job 26:14 Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?



With all our wisdom, and all our science, and all our research, “who can understand” anything today. Ultimate scientific answers continue to elude us everywhere one looks ! The pretense is that all this magnificent science that we see and study arose from nothing, based solely on megatime and megauniverses. Insuperable statistical impossibilities are explained away with clever wordplay and nebulous theories – anything at all to deny the Hand of the Creator so evident to casual observers, of all educational backgrounds, and all nationalities, and all times. That is, except for those who will not see.


Job 28:5 As for the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire.



The molten iron core of the earth was inconceivable because it was not discoverable when this passage was written. “Under (earth) it is turned up as it were fire.”

Ah, some may say, “But there were volcanoes even then.” True enough. But are not volcanoes both isolated and rare, and not so much “under” the earth as above it? The molten core of the earth accords far better with this passage. Their scientific agreement is not coincidental, but rather Divinely inspired and guided.



Job 38:1,2 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said

Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?




How often one hears words uttered without knowledge by pretenders of science and enlightenment.



Job 38:24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?



The most learned scientist of antiquity could not have imagined the depth of this question. When light is "parted" by a diffraction grating, it can be shown to act both as particles as well as waves. These combinations of properties are difficult to understand much less explain. And the prodigious amounts of energy transmitted by solar radiation does indeed scatter the wind upon the earth as it heats different substances at different rates. Job could not have offered an adequate answer to the question, along the lines of: "Discrete photons of light travel together as a wave until parted into disparate visible components by striking and reflecting from solid objects into our eyes, while other wavelengths give up their energy as they are absorbed by solids and water. Temperature differentials established by ambient sunlight striking dissimilar surfaces create 'the east wind' so described."



Psalms 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.



NASA maintains a website which is updated daily. Its purpose, however unintended, is to “declare the glory of God” and to “show his handiwork.”



Astronomy Picture of the Day


How remarkable that so repetitive and well known a phenomenon as sunset can delight people of all ages, and all times, and all civilizations. How much more delightful are the glories and handiworks seen in national parks and sightseeing attractions worldwide, so many of which could scarcely have been known by the Bible’s authors. Nor had the first telescope been invented 2000 years ago. How is it that the more deeply we have seen, the more handiwork we have seen? How is it?



Psalms 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.



Mankind is indeed “fearfully and wonderfully made.” The sophistication of our construction begins at the atomic level with atoms that are one part in 10^17 nucleus and the rest empty space. Then consider our DNA, which is 45 trillion times more compact and efficient at data storage than today’s sophisticated computer microchips.



Our brains have the memory capacity of 100 billion megabytes, which far exceeds anything conceivably necessary from a “selection” point of view.



Our optic nerves transmit information at 4 gigabaud, which is 71,000 times faster than a dial up modem, and 1,000 times faster than an ultra-high speed T-1 line for a computer.

The human eye sees in exquisite detail, over about 13 orders of magnitude of light intensity. Although the eye is often said to be flawed in its design by Darwinists and atheists, I would very much like to see them replace a human eye with something better which they have designed and built from lab reagents.



Our ears hear over 13 orders of magnitude in sound intensity. Even more amazing, the ears perform a Fourier Analysis. In other words, our eardrums receive a single wave function at the eardrum. Then they break down this single wave function into its constituent sounds. For example, at a concert, your ears hear drums, brass, violins, solo arias, and the person behind you coughing, only because this blended noise is separated inside your ear. If your eyes performed a similar function, they would break down white just as a prism does, into disparate pure colors.



Finally, our two eyes enable us to discern distance (and relative size) by triangulation. Our brains automatically compute the angle of the object seen, and compute its approximate distance. Similarly, our two ears enable us to discern the direction from which noises emanate not only because we have two ears, but also because of the relatively slow speed of sound. A difference in the arrival time from one ear to another of one thousandth to one ten-thousandth of a second is sufficient to discern, so that we can tell generally where a sound originated. If sound were substantially faster, both our ears would hear the sound at about the same time, and we could not enjoy stereophonic music, nor tell where sounds came from.



In His wisdom, God made these velocities profoundly useful to us (as well, of course, as many, many other physical constants besides). They did not "evolve" to such values. And should they have been substantially different, say reversed, no evolutionary "modification" could possibly compensate to give us what we now have.



Biochemistry is so profoundly complex that we are only beginning to appreciate how “wonderfully” we are made. Human blood defies LeChatelier’s Principle, in that when one molecule of oxygen is adsorbed by a hemoglobin molecule, its affinity for oxygen grows, instead of diminishing. The second molecule increases the affinity for the third, and the third for the fourth. This is precisely the reverse of normal chemistry principles and experimental observations. Our bodies’ powers of endurance and healing are absolutely astounding.



The list of features of our wonderful construction begins with conception, continues through growth, and concludes with our spiritual transformations evidenced time and again by the scientific observations of such people as Elisabeth Kubler-Ross. Dr. Kubler-Ross documented hundreds of instances of scientific evidence of a spiritual nature. She convincingly testified that she could not be persuaded of any naturalistic (scientific) explanation for it.



Ecclesiastes 1:13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven;



“To seek out and search by wisdom” truth. This is the very fundamental definition of science.



Ecclesiastes 1:7 All rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence rivers come, thither they return again.



The cyclical nature of nature encompasses us. The water cycle is described only with utmost brevity in Ecclesiastes. Today we understand (considerably better than did Biblical authors) water and its importance in most chemical processes, as well as its profoundly fortuitous cyclical nature, as originally shown in the Bible. Beyond this, we can see and describe cycles of carbon, and nitrogen, and oxygen, and hydrogen. We are able to comprehend the nature of energy, and the conservation of not only energy, but also of matter itself. More complex by far is the transformation of matter into energy, which gives us sunlight continuously. Why should all these things be? And why so reliably? Why are chemical reactions so wonderfully and perfectly reversible? Why? For the same reason that we are “fearfully and wonderfully made”. For that reason. These Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies did not just fall into place with Megaluck over Megatime, as some scientists posit, their fingers crossed.



Ecclesiastes 2:13 Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness.


Again and again there are Biblical references to wisdom, prudence, diligence, and other virtues. The essence of science is the pursuit of truth, knowledge, and facts. However, wisdom requires more than mere knowledge. Wisdom requires the integration of scientific truths with far more virtuous conduct than the mere accretion of naturalism.

Hitler and Stalin appreciated the science of Darwinism for its atheistic implications, but of wisdom, they had none.


Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words;

What vain words? Atheists are "rational," "scientific," "intelligent." Atheists do not seek wisdom, but preach vanity. They claim God's design of the human body is fraught with flaws, and that they could have done a much better job. Vanity, condescension, pretension. These attributes have no place in any discussion of science.

Pride goeth before a fall. - Proverbs 16:18




Ecclesiastes 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.




Can you name even one aspect of our universe that is known “from the beginning to the end”? Research continues everywhere, with absolutely no end remotely in sight. Research at the subatomic level, at the molecular level, at the cellular level, at the human level, at the planetary level, and at the galactic level.

How is it that we don’t know everything about anything, if all that we see came about from nothing, as materialists contend? How is that possible? Infinite complexity from nothing is infinitely absurd and infinitely improbable. There is not the slightest scientific basis or law for their grand proposal. Profound organization and information and consistency and physical laws, originating…. HOW ! An infinite God makes spiritual sense. He is utterly beyond the purview of science - which is merely another of God’s brilliant creations. As to the mocking question of “Who made God,” Professor John Lennox of Cambridge University gives us the answer: “If anybody made God, then He wouldn’t be God, would He!” (See Lennox’ one hour lecture, “A Matter of Gravity” on YouTube.)



Two things are incomprehensible. First, the origin of everything from nothing, and second, God Himself, Who so wondrously explains and accounts for everything else. Everyone must choose his own incomprehensible option. The first is random and meaningless, literally and figuratively. The second option is elegant, beautiful, hopeful, and wonderful beyond understanding. This second option matches the creative genius that surrounds us.



Ecclesiastes 7:9 Reprove not a scorner lest he hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you.



Proverbs 9:8 Anger rests in the bosom of fools.




Try reproving an atheist and see how angry and hateful he is.


Proverbs 16:16 How much better is it to get wisdom than gold; and to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver.



Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.




Wisdom excelleth folly as far as light excelleth darkness. The Creator of mankind does not want anyone to be fooled; He does not wish that we be gullible, or duped by clever sounding words, whether they be from scientists wearing white robes, or priests wearing white robes. It is the essence of science to search for truth, and ask questions, and seek to answer them. Toward this end, we must acknowledge the extremely transitional nature of scientific “fact”, and the pretexts of contemporary scientific infallibility. Nowhere is the attempt to deceive us more malicious and destructive than when it seeks to deny the very existence of our Creator, and separate us from Him – permanently.



Forty percent of those listed in Who’s Who In Science acknowledge a personal belief in God. You must ask yourself why. Surely these people are not the fools that some scientific atheists accuse you and me of being.



John 3:11, 12 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.



If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?




The timeless veracity and wisdom of this statement is prophetic. After over two thousand years, what is often called the “myth” that is the Holy Bible, cannot remotely be discredited. To the contrary, the obvious and manifest benefits to mankind of Christianity have been repeatedly addressed by professionals in psychology, criminology, and other modern disciplines. The deep and abiding science, beginning with the first sentence in the first Book, is compelling testimony. For these reasons and more, Christianity is today the most popular human organization there has ever been. Yet many still “receive not our witness.” How can this be? Why will mankind not learn?



I Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.



Is there a more concise explanation of the scientific method? “Prove all things”? The essence of modern science is the proof of testable hypotheses, as scientists like to say. Such technique was proposed in the Scriptures which are mocked by so many who are proud of their lack of belief.







Hebrews 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.


This is confirmation of Genesis 1:1. Natural Theology, written in 1809 by William Paley, makes a similar argument from design. Just as a Boeing 747 can never be the product of an explosion in a junkyard, neither can the far more intricate construction of a human being be the ultimate product of random mutations, selectively but blindly “chosen.” See also www.2001Principle.net


Mark 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.




Although not strictly “scientific”, the foregoing verse demonstrates a profound economic truth notwithstanding the astonishing achievements of modern science. Had one the vision to see forward more than 2000 years to witness the abundance of food and material goods we now produce, surely one would have surmised that “the poor” would be no more than a relic of the ancient past. Not so. In fact, nowhere are “the poor” more common and more destitute than in socialist countries led by atheist despots.



Acts 17:26 (God) hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation.



Notwithstanding the vast differences in outward appearance of the peoples of the earth, from fair skinned Norwegians, to African pygmies, “all nations of men” are Homo sapiens. All humans can, within the constraints of blood typing, be transfused by the blood from men of “all nations.” This close biological relationship of mankind was cited before blood types and biological classifications were ever imagined.



John 18:37 Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?




Eighty-two percent of Americans believe that Jesus Christ was God, according to a survey taken by Princeton Survey Research Associates on Dec 2 and 3, 2004 for Newsweek Magazine. Jesus Christ said that people of the truth hear his voice. Today one especially hears atheists, most of them liberals, reply just as Pontius Pilate did two thousand years ago with a mockingly dishonest question: “What is truth?” when even a ten year old has the capacity to know what truth is. Some things never change.


Luke 21:33; Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.


Just as Genesis 1:1 foretold the scientific truth of the Big Bang, or as it is almost universally called today, “The Moment of Creation”, so too does the Gospel of Luke describe the passing away of matter. Stars like our own sun are consuming their own hydrogen, fusing it into helium, losing vast amounts of mass, and radiating that energy into the heavens. All starlight will eventually pass away, and the universe will ultimately become dark and absolutely cold (“heat death”), devoid of life as we know it. Numerous massive black holes have been indirectly observed. They attract matter and light into their domain, never to be seen again. Or so scientists thought before they once again changed their mind. It is now posited that Black Holes can radiate away energy, which is to say, mass. Even Black Holes seem to pass away.





The duration of primary elements of matter we call protons have a lifetime estimated to be 1033 years. The heaven and the earth shall pass into cold, dark oblivion, just as stated in the Holy Bible, a book ceaselessly mocked and ridiculed by the left. Thousands of years after the Bible said heaven and earth shall pass away, the Second Law of Thermodynamics simply repeated it, in the name of “science.” Universal heat death is the ultimate and final increase in entropy, or disorder. The origin of our universe as well as its demise were both described in an ancient book with astonishing precision. The universe has not always existed, as previously thought by scientists, nor was it assembled piecemeal. It was “created” with a Big Bang. The universe will not continue on forever, it will, it must pass away. These were not lucky guesses. They were inspirations from our Creator who wrote The Book, on life, on science, and on a meaningful life.

















* Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies, a term I invented, refers to the interrelated factors surrounding us that are utterly essential to life as Americans know and enjoy it.



First example: Oxygen happens to be one of the more reactive elements, and it exists in the most reactive phase, viz. gas. This dynamic equilibrium producing our essential breath of life is possible only because: 1. Reactions are reversible (how profoundly fortuitous!) and; 2. The reversibility of such reactions is, so far as we can tell, 100% and; 3. Natural laws are consistent and harmonious and discoverable, and; 4. Plants recycle oxygen from carbon dioxide, and water.



Second example: The sophisticated engineering of matter, constructed primarily out of three simple building blocks, electrons, protons, and neutrons, is evidenced by the fact that only one part in 10exp17 is matter, and the rest is empty space. Moreover these three foundational components can be combined with only slight variations to give us unique characteristics as found in metals, including high shear strength, malleability, ductility, high heat and electrical conductivity, profound availability, high melting points, and other features without which there could be no airplanes, cars, or even internal combustion engines. As essential as metals** are to internal combustion engines, they would be virtually worthless without hydrocarbons to burn in them, which hydrocarbons just happen to be available in wondrous, underground storage tanks, to be refined and used worldwide.

But without oxygen, and without its dispersal throughout our atmosphere, there could be no cars, no plane rides to faraway places, and no fires, even inside engines. Fire, a simple chemical reaction we have always taken for granted, is but one of the countless Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies.



** In contrast to water, plastic, glass, and fused quartz, which transmit light with near perfection, unlike metals.
There are things in the Hebrew/Babylonian Old Testament that reflect the greater Civilizations of the times. For instance, there are 2 creation accounts in Genesis, before Adam was created, this is the account from Chapter 1:

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

So, this creation account may be from the much more ancient Sumerian account as the Book of Genesis is compatible with the Book of Gilgamesh.

The two creation accounts may be considered as Human Evolution, the first creation being Homo Sapien Neanderthal and the second being Homo Sapien Sapien, as in the creation of Ask and Embla/Mashya and Mashyana. In the works of Ovid's Metamorphosis and Hesiod's Works and Days, Human Evolution and different subspecies are discussed. Silver might be where the term Neanderthaler comes from, Man Born of Silver (Dollar/Thaler).

"(ll. 106-108) Or if you will, I will sum you up another tale well and skilfully -- and do you lay it up in your heart, -- how the gods and mortal men sprang from one source.

(ll. 109-120) First of all the deathless gods who dwell on Olympus made a golden race of mortal men who lived in the time of Cronos when he was reigning in heaven. And they lived like gods without sorrow of heart, remote and free from toil and grief: miserable age rested not on them; but with legs and arms never failing they made merry with feasting beyond the reach of all evils. When they died, it was as though they were overcome with sleep, and they had all good things; for the fruitful earth unforced bare them fruit abundantly and without stint. They dwelt in ease and peace upon their lands with many good things, rich in flocks and loved by the blessed gods.

(ll. 121-139) But after earth had covered this generation -- they are called pure spirits dwelling on the earth, and are kindly, delivering from harm, and guardians of mortal men; for they roam everywhere over the earth, clothed in mist and keep watch on judgements and cruel deeds, givers of wealth; for this royal right also they received; -- then they who dwell on Olympus made a second generation which was of silver and less noble by far. It was like the golden race neither in body nor in spirit. A child was brought up at his good mother's side an hundred years, an utter simpleton, playing childishly in his own home. But when they were full grown and were come to the full measure of their prime, they lived only a little time in sorrow because of their foolishness, for they could not keep from sinning and from wronging one another, nor would they serve the immortals, nor sacrifice on the holy altars of the blessed ones as it is right for men to do wherever they dwell. Then Zeus the son of Cronos was angry and put them away, because they would not give honour to the blessed gods who live on Olympus.

(ll. 140-155) But when earth had covered this generation also -- they are called blessed spirits of the underworld by men, and, though they are of second order, yet honour attends them also -- Zeus the Father made a third generation of mortal men, a brazen race, sprung from ash-trees (4); and it was in no way equal to the silver age, but was terrible and strong. They loved the lamentable works of Ares and deeds of violence; they ate no bread, but were hard of heart like adamant, fearful men. Great was their strength and unconquerable the arms which grew from their shoulders on their strong limbs. Their armour was of bronze, and their houses of bronze, and of bronze were their implements: there was no black iron. These were destroyed by their own hands and passed to the dank house of chill Hades, and left no name: terrible though they were, black Death seized them, and they left the bright light of the sun.

(ll. 156-169b) But when earth had covered this generation also, Zeus the son of Cronos made yet another, the fourth, upon the fruitful earth, which was nobler and more righteous, a god-like race of hero-men who are called demi-gods, the race before our own, throughout the boundless earth. Grim war and dread battle destroyed a part of them, some in the land of Cadmus at seven- gated Thebe when they fought for the flocks of Oedipus, and some, when it had brought them in ships over the great sea gulf to Troy for rich-haired Helen's sake: there death's end enshrouded a part of them. But to the others father Zeus the son of Cronos gave a living and an abode apart from men, and made them dwell at the ends of earth. And they live untouched by sorrow in the islands of the blessed along the shore of deep swirling Ocean, happy heroes for whom the grain-giving earth bears honey-sweet fruit flourishing thrice a year, far from the deathless gods, and Cronos rules over them (5); for the father of men and gods released him from his bonds. And these last equally have honour and glory.

(ll. 169c-169d) And again far-seeing Zeus made yet another generation, the fifth, of men who are upon the bounteous earth.

(ll. 170-201) Thereafter, would that I were not among the men of the fifth generation, but either had died before or been born afterwards. For now truly is a race of iron, and men never rest from labour and sorrow by day, and from perishing by night; and the gods shall lay sore trouble upon them. But, notwithstanding, even these shall have some good mingled with their evils. And Zeus will destroy this race of mortal men also when they come to have grey hair on the temples at their birth (6). The father will not agree with his children, nor the children with their father, nor guest with his host, nor comrade with comrade; nor will brother be dear to brother as aforetime. Men will dishonour their parents as they grow quickly old, and will carp at them, chiding them with bitter words, hard-hearted they, not knowing the fear of the gods. They will not repay their aged parents the cost their nurture, for might shall be their right: and one man will sack another's city. There will be no favour for the man who keeps his oath or for the just or for the good; but rather men will praise the evil-doer and his violent dealing. Strength will be right and reverence will cease to be; and the wicked will hurt the worthy man, speaking false words against him, and will swear an oath upon them. Envy, foul-mouthed, delighting in evil, with scowling face, will go along with wretched men one and all. And then Aidos and Nemesis (7), with their sweet forms wrapped in white robes, will go from the wide-pathed earth and forsake mankind to join the company of the deathless gods: and bitter sorrows will be left for mortal men, and there will be no help against evil."
 

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Exodus 3:14 I am hath sent me unto you.....
We know Moses was raised by the Egyptians and possibly would have learned about geophysics from the Priests of Vulcan/Volcan. The plagues in Egypt can be explained, include the parting of the sea, by the Thera Volcanic eruption and a tsunami. This would place the Exodus story during the reign of Amenhotep I.
 

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As for Jesus, his miraculous birth can be explained by artificial insemination, his mother Mary being the chosen Vestal Virgin, and she actually may have needed a Caesarean section because of the conditions of her virginal birth canal.

Jesus may have studied Egyptian and Greek, Hermetic, medicine before going on to perform healings as a house to house doctor. The Hippocratic Oath was already written by the time of the birth of Jesus, and he may have studied extensively at the Library of Alexandria.

Hippocratic Oath:
"I swear by Apollo Physician, by Asclepius, by Hygieia, by Panacea, and by all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will carry out, according to my ability and judgment, this oath and this indenture.
To hold my teacher in this art equal to my own parents; to make him partner in my livelihood; when he is in need of money to share mine with him; to consider his family as my own brothers, and to teach them this art, if they want to learn it, without fee or indenture; to impart precept, oral instruction, and all other instruction to my own sons, the sons of my teacher, and to indentured pupils who have taken the physician’s oath, but to nobody else.
I will use treatment to help the sick according to my ability and judgment, but never with a view to injury and wrong-doing. Neither will I administer a poison to anybody when asked to do so, nor will I suggest such a course. Similarly I will not give to a woman a pessary to cause abortion. But I will keep pure and holy both my life and my art. I will not use the knife, not even, verily, on sufferers from stone, but I will give place to such as are craftsmen therein.
Into whatsoever houses I enter, I will enter to help the sick, and I will abstain from all intentional wrong-doing and harm, especially from abusing the bodies of man or woman, bond or free. And whatsoever I shall see or hear in the course of my profession, as well as outside my profession in my intercourse with men, if it be what should not be published abroad, I will never divulge, holding such things to be holy secrets.
Now if I carry out this oath, and break it not, may I gain for ever reputation among all men for my life and for my art; but if I break it and forswear myself, may the opposite befall me." – Translation by W.H.S. Jones. Oath
 

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1. The different properties of the 20 different amino acids in proteins required different environments to synthesize including wet vs. dry (even with condensing agents), acid vs base (alkaline), hot vs cold. These different environments could not have existed in the same time and place (at the creation of life) without an intelligent chemist.

2. The need for selection of the 20 required amino acids out of so many other chemical reaction products including the correct isomer for each amino acid and the correct chirality. Also the precise 3-d structure required for enzymes and receptors to fit to perform specific functions for life. This selection could not occur without an intelligent chemist.

Moreover, the Miller-Urey Experiment has been completely discredited as the conditions used in the experiment have been shown to be completely different than those which were actually present.
Even if that were not the case, the hoped for magic is doomed from the outset for a wide variety of reasons correctly stated by Newtonian - components lacking, insufficient concentrations of those made, non-peptide bonds as often formed as frequently as the required peptide bonds, insurmountable chirality problem as only the L form (as opposed to the R form) is found in humans (with a few exceptions), and what first directed the proper folding of proteins, hmmmm? No easy task. It's not like folding your shirt. Nobody has been awarded a Nobel Prize for synthesizing human proteins in the lab. We still extract blood from volunteers because we can't manufacture it and we have the formula!
Religious extremists stereotypically seize on a mid 1950's experiment not conclusively proving abiogenesis as a failure for science and explicit proof of their gods. The extremists ignore later experiments which actually come closer than Miller-Urey while not "proving" abiogenesis.

What the religious extremists don't do is make any positive assertions for their gods. Positive assertions for supernaturalism are understandably difficult but an inconclusive science experiment clearly doesn't offer proof of gods.
Here's something really interesting. Phaedo is the earliest source I found so far that describes the planet as being spherical. How did Socrates know this information?

"And we, Socrates, replied Simmias, shall be charmed to listen to you.

The tale, my friend, he said, is as follows:—In the first place, the earth, when looked at from above, is in appearance streaked like one of those balls which have leather coverings in twelve pieces, and is decked with various colours, of which the colours used by painters on earth are in a manner samples. But there the whole earth is made up of them, and they are brighter far and clearer than ours; there is a purple of wonderful lustre, also the radiance of gold, and the white which is in the earth is whiter than any chalk or snow. Of these and other colours the earth is made up, and they are more in number and fairer than the eye of man has ever seen; the very hollows (of which I was speaking) filled with air and water have a colour of their own, and are seen like light gleaming amid the diversity of the other colours, so that the whole presents a single and continuous appearance of variety in unity. And in this fair region everything that grows—trees, and flowers, and fruits—are in a like degree fairer than any here; and there are hills, having stones in them in a like degree smoother, and more transparent, and fairer in colour than our highly-valued emeralds and sardonyxes and jaspers, and other gems, which are but minute fragments of them: for there all the stones are like our precious stones, and fairer still (compare Republic)."
 
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As for Jesus, his miraculous birth can be explained by artificial insemination, his mother Mary being the chosen Vestal Virgin, and she actually may have needed a Caesarean section because of the conditions of her virginal birth canal.

Jesus may have studied Egyptian and Greek, Hermetic, medicine before going on to perform healings as a house to house doctor. The Hippocratic Oath was already written by the time of the birth of Jesus, and he may have studied extensively at the Library of Alexandria.

I have seldom seen so many non-sequiturs in such short succession.
1. Whose "semen" was "artificially inseminated" into Mary? Nobody's.
God does not need anything artificial or anything we conceive of to work miracles which are forever beyond our comprehension.
2. The female vagina is barely perturbed by any penis, which is far smaller than a newborn's head.
Moreover, women don't have things any easier even after they have delivered their first baby. It's still a tremendous pain and stress.
3. Jesus didn't need to study anything. He already had it all. "When you see me you have seen the Father." "The Father and I are as One." Moreover, today's doctors don't perform healings. Only Jesus did that.
 

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As for Jesus, his miraculous birth can be explained by artificial insemination, his mother Mary being the chosen Vestal Virgin, and she actually may have needed a Caesarean section because of the conditions of her virginal birth canal.

Jesus may have studied Egyptian and Greek, Hermetic, medicine before going on to perform healings as a house to house doctor. The Hippocratic Oath was already written by the time of the birth of Jesus, and he may have studied extensively at the Library of Alexandria.

I have seldom seen so many non-sequiturs in such short succession.
1. Whose "semen" was "artificially inseminated" into Mary? Nobody's.
God does not need anything artificial or anything we conceive of to work miracles which are forever beyond our comprehension.
2. The female vagina is barely perturbed by any penis, which is far smaller than a newborn's head.
Moreover, women don't have things any easier even after they have delivered their first baby. It's still a tremendous pain and stress.
3. Jesus didn't need to study anything. He already had it all. "When you see me you have seen the Father." "The Father and I are as One." Moreover, today's doctors don't perform healings. Only Jesus did that.
1. Caesarion Ptolemy (Soter) aka Tiberius Nero Caesar. You need a sperm to make a Human being, basic science and biology. Marcus (Antonius) Julius (Caesar) Agrippa.

2. There's a widening that takes place, sort of like a gopher or snake or rabbit rounding out a hole for a den.

3. "I am RA" is what he is saying, and "I am Nero."
 

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1. The different properties of the 20 different amino acids in proteins required different environments to synthesize including wet vs. dry (even with condensing agents), acid vs base (alkaline), hot vs cold. These different environments could not have existed in the same time and place (at the creation of life) without an intelligent chemist.

2. The need for selection of the 20 required amino acids out of so many other chemical reaction products including the correct isomer for each amino acid and the correct chirality. Also the precise 3-d structure required for enzymes and receptors to fit to perform specific functions for life. This selection could not occur without an intelligent chemist.

Moreover, the Miller-Urey Experiment has been completely discredited as the conditions used in the experiment have been shown to be completely different than those which were actually present.
Even if that were not the case, the hoped for magic is doomed from the outset for a wide variety of reasons correctly stated by Newtonian - components lacking, insufficient concentrations of those made, non-peptide bonds as often formed as frequently as the required peptide bonds, insurmountable chirality problem as only the L form (as opposed to the R form) is found in humans (with a few exceptions), and what first directed the proper folding of proteins, hmmmm? No easy task. It's not like folding your shirt. Nobody has been awarded a Nobel Prize for synthesizing human proteins in the lab. We still extract blood from volunteers because we can't manufacture it and we have the formula!
Religious extremists stereotypically seize on a mid 1950's experiment not conclusively proving abiogenesis as a failure for science and explicit proof of their gods. The extremists ignore later experiments which actually come closer than Miller-Urey while not "proving" abiogenesis.

What the religious extremists don't do is make any positive assertions for their gods. Positive assertions for supernaturalism are understandably difficult but an inconclusive science experiment clearly doesn't offer proof of gods.
Here We go, I found the Parmenides fragments.

8.1 There is a solitary word still
8.2 Left to say of a way: 'exists'; very many signs
8.3 Are on this road: that Being is ungenerated and imperishable,
8.4 Whole, unique, immovable, and complete.
8.5 It was not once nor will it be, since it is now altogether,
8.6 One, continuous. For, what origin could you search out for it?
8.7 How and whence did it grow? Not from non-Being shall I allow
8.8 You to say or to think, for it is not possible to say or to think
8.9 That it is not. What need would have made it grow,
8.10 Beginning from non-Being, later or sooner?
8.11 Thus it must either fully be or not.
8.12 Nor will the force of conviction ever permit anything to come to be from what is not,
8.13 besides it. For this reason, Justice permitted it neither to come to be
8.14 nor to perish, relaxing her shackles,
8.15 but holds fast. But the decision about these matters lies in this:
8.16 it is or it is not. But it has been decided, as is necessary,
8.17 to let go the one way as unthinkable and nameless (for it is not a true
8.18 way) and that the other is and is real.
8.19 How could what is be in the future ? How could it come to be ?
8.20 For if it came into being, it is not, not if it is ever going to be
8.21 So, coming into being is extinguished and perishing is unheard of.
8.22 Nor is it divisible, since it is all alike.
8.23 Nor is there somewhat more here and somewhat less there that could prevent it from holding together;
8.24 But all is full of Being.
8.25 Therefore it is all continuous, for Being is in contact with Being.
8.26 But unchanging in the limits of great bonds,
8.27 it is, without start or finish, since coming to be and destruction
8.28 were banished far away and true conviction drove them off.
8.29 Remaining the same and by itself it lies
8.30 and so stays there fixed ; for mighty Necessity
8.26 But motionless in the limits of mighty bonds
8.27 It is without beginning and never-ending, since coming into being and perishing
8.28 Have been banished far away, driven out by true conviction.
8.29 Since it remains the same and in the same, it lies by itself
8.30 And abides so firmly where it is; for powerful Necessity
8.31 Holds it in the bonds of the limit which encircles Being,
8.32 Because it is not right for Being to be incomplete,
8.33 For it is not in need; if it were it would need all.
8.34 It is the same to think and the thought that [the object of thought] exists,
8.35 For without Being, in what has been expressed,
8.36 You will not find thought; for nothing other, besides Being, either is or will be,
8.37 Since Destiny fettered it
8.38 To be whole and immovable;
8.39 Therefore, all that mortals posited convinced that it is true will be [mere] name,
8.40 Coming into being and perishing, to be and not to be,
8.41 Change of place and exchange of brilliant color.
8.42 But since there is a furthest limit, it is in every direction complete;
8.43 Like the body of a well-rounded sphere,
8.44 From the middle everywhere of equal strength; for it need not be somewhat more here
8.45 Or somewhat less there,
8.46 For neither is there non-Being to prevent it from reaching
8.47 Its like, nor is there Being so that it could be
8.48 More than Being here and less than Being there, since it is all inviolable;
8.49 For from every point it is equal to itself, staying uniformly in the limits.

They attribute his knowledge to Zoroastrian Persian influence. "Love" as a Godmother sounds as though Parmenides had knowledge of TAO.

 

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1. The different properties of the 20 different amino acids in proteins required different environments to synthesize including wet vs. dry (even with condensing agents), acid vs base (alkaline), hot vs cold. These different environments could not have existed in the same time and place (at the creation of life) without an intelligent chemist.

2. The need for selection of the 20 required amino acids out of so many other chemical reaction products including the correct isomer for each amino acid and the correct chirality. Also the precise 3-d structure required for enzymes and receptors to fit to perform specific functions for life. This selection could not occur without an intelligent chemist.

Moreover, the Miller-Urey Experiment has been completely discredited as the conditions used in the experiment have been shown to be completely different than those which were actually present.
Even if that were not the case, the hoped for magic is doomed from the outset for a wide variety of reasons correctly stated by Newtonian - components lacking, insufficient concentrations of those made, non-peptide bonds as often formed as frequently as the required peptide bonds, insurmountable chirality problem as only the L form (as opposed to the R form) is found in humans (with a few exceptions), and what first directed the proper folding of proteins, hmmmm? No easy task. It's not like folding your shirt. Nobody has been awarded a Nobel Prize for synthesizing human proteins in the lab. We still extract blood from volunteers because we can't manufacture it and we have the formula!
Religious extremists stereotypically seize on a mid 1950's experiment not conclusively proving abiogenesis as a failure for science and explicit proof of their gods. The extremists ignore later experiments which actually come closer than Miller-Urey while not "proving" abiogenesis.

What the religious extremists don't do is make any positive assertions for their gods. Positive assertions for supernaturalism are understandably difficult but an inconclusive science experiment clearly doesn't offer proof of gods.
Here's something really interesting. Phaedo is the earliest source I found so far that describes the planet as being spherical. How did Socrates know this information?

"And we, Socrates, replied Simmias, shall be charmed to listen to you.

The tale, my friend, he said, is as follows:—In the first place, the earth, when looked at from above, is in appearance streaked like one of those balls which have leather coverings in twelve pieces, and is decked with various colours, of which the colours used by painters on earth are in a manner samples. But there the whole earth is made up of them, and they are brighter far and clearer than ours; there is a purple of wonderful lustre, also the radiance of gold, and the white which is in the earth is whiter than any chalk or snow. Of these and other colours the earth is made up, and they are more in number and fairer than the eye of man has ever seen; the very hollows (of which I was speaking) filled with air and water have a colour of their own, and are seen like light gleaming amid the diversity of the other colours, so that the whole presents a single and continuous appearance of variety in unity. And in this fair region everything that grows—trees, and flowers, and fruits—are in a like degree fairer than any here; and there are hills, having stones in them in a like degree smoother, and more transparent, and fairer in colour than our highly-valued emeralds and sardonyxes and jaspers, and other gems, which are but minute fragments of them: for there all the stones are like our precious stones, and fairer still (compare Republic)."
I addressed some of what you found earlier.

 
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As for Jesus, his miraculous birth can be explained by artificial insemination, his mother Mary being the chosen Vestal Virgin, and she actually may have needed a Caesarean section because of the conditions of her virginal birth canal.

Jesus may have studied Egyptian and Greek, Hermetic, medicine before going on to perform healings as a house to house doctor. The Hippocratic Oath was already written by the time of the birth of Jesus, and he may have studied extensively at the Library of Alexandria.

I have seldom seen so many non-sequiturs in such short succession.
1. Whose "semen" was "artificially inseminated" into Mary? Nobody's.
God does not need anything artificial or anything we conceive of to work miracles which are forever beyond our comprehension.
2. The female vagina is barely perturbed by any penis, which is far smaller than a newborn's head.
Moreover, women don't have things any easier even after they have delivered their first baby. It's still a tremendous pain and stress.
3. Jesus didn't need to study anything. He already had it all. "When you see me you have seen the Father." "The Father and I are as One." Moreover, today's doctors don't perform healings. Only Jesus did that.
1. Caesarion Ptolemy (Soter) aka Tiberius Nero Caesar. You need a sperm to make a Human being, basic science and biology. Marcus (Antonius) Julius (Caesar) Agrippa.

2. There's a widening that takes place, sort of like a gopher or snake or rabbit rounding out a hole for a den.

3. "I am RA" is what he is saying, and "I am Nero."

Who was "artificially inseminated" to produce Adam and Eve?

Every woman who has a child has not been "widened" by her husband or boyfriend.
You talk nonsense.
 

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As for Jesus, his miraculous birth can be explained by artificial insemination, his mother Mary being the chosen Vestal Virgin, and she actually may have needed a Caesarean section because of the conditions of her virginal birth canal.

Jesus may have studied Egyptian and Greek, Hermetic, medicine before going on to perform healings as a house to house doctor. The Hippocratic Oath was already written by the time of the birth of Jesus, and he may have studied extensively at the Library of Alexandria.

I have seldom seen so many non-sequiturs in such short succession.
1. Whose "semen" was "artificially inseminated" into Mary? Nobody's.
God does not need anything artificial or anything we conceive of to work miracles which are forever beyond our comprehension.
2. The female vagina is barely perturbed by any penis, which is far smaller than a newborn's head.
Moreover, women don't have things any easier even after they have delivered their first baby. It's still a tremendous pain and stress.
3. Jesus didn't need to study anything. He already had it all. "When you see me you have seen the Father." "The Father and I are as One." Moreover, today's doctors don't perform healings. Only Jesus did that.
1. Caesarion Ptolemy (Soter) aka Tiberius Nero Caesar. You need a sperm to make a Human being, basic science and biology. Marcus (Antonius) Julius (Caesar) Agrippa.

2. There's a widening that takes place, sort of like a gopher or snake or rabbit rounding out a hole for a den.

3. "I am RA" is what he is saying, and "I am Nero."

Who was "artificially inseminated" to produce Adam and Eve?

Every woman who has a child has not been "widened" by her husband or boyfriend.
You talk nonsense.
If Adam is the wildman in the Book of Gilgamesh, then he was probably born naturally. The Book of Gilgamesh also speaks of a priestess or prostitute of the temple of Ishtar that copulated with the wildman, and Eve of Adam's flesh and bone might actually be his own daughter after Lilith left him. In the Hebrew Old Testament there are examples of Hebrew men reproducing with their own daughters. Genesis 19:32 is an example: ''Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.”

It's already established in Genesis that there were other people within the same generation of Adam's children. Moses may actually be blending the Hebrew/Babylonian origin story... as he seems to quote and paraphrase Hammurabi's code... with the Egyptian creation story of Atum. There is a text that says Eve was inseminated by the Serpent (Neanderthal) and gave birth to Cain. The Book of Enoch is, to Me, an anti Homo Sapien Neanderthal book about the practice of Homo Sapien Sapiens hunting and killing Homo Sapien Neanderthals out of envy and jealousy.
 
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Sabbath is a Man ...
Sabbath means rest. On every Sabbaths, they had rest from their works. We were never intended to work. Until sin entered that we have to tiller the fields for our food. But before, God would have been maintaining the fields for us.
And the reason why Christians don't rest on the Sabbath. It is because there is no time to rest. We are suppose to be laboring until we get to this rest.
But why Christians uses Sunday as the day of worship rather than Saturday, like the Jews does.? It is because Jesus was born on the day of the First Fruit. The day after the sabbath of the unleavened bread. That comes right after the Passover. Jesus is the new grain offering that God has offered to us. And so Jesus was born on that date, and reborn again on that very same date.
And then fifty days later from that date, which it is a Sunday. It is the day of the Pentecost. Which that is when Jesus gave his disciples the Spirit from God. Which He gave them out in portions. Some has gotten a double portion of the Spirit.
And so Sunday just became a day of worship since the day of the Pentecost. But it doesn't necessarily have to be on the Sunday. God just gave the Hebrews the Sabbath as something to focus on. To show them how the universe works. That there is nothing new under the sun.


Hebrews 4 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed. Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, “So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’” And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world.

2 Kings 2:9 When they had crossed, Elijah said to Elisha, “Tell me, what can I do for you before I am taken from you?” “Let me inherit a double portion of your spirit,” Elisha replied.

Psalm 16:5 Lord, you alone are my portion and my cup; you make my lot secure.


Matthew 25:15 To one he gave five bags of gold, to another two bags, and to another one bag, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey.
 

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1. The different properties of the 20 different amino acids in proteins required different environments to synthesize including wet vs. dry (even with condensing agents), acid vs base (alkaline), hot vs cold. These different environments could not have existed in the same time and place (at the creation of life) without an intelligent chemist.

2. The need for selection of the 20 required amino acids out of so many other chemical reaction products including the correct isomer for each amino acid and the correct chirality. Also the precise 3-d structure required for enzymes and receptors to fit to perform specific functions for life. This selection could not occur without an intelligent chemist.

Moreover, the Miller-Urey Experiment has been completely discredited as the conditions used in the experiment have been shown to be completely different than those which were actually present.
Even if that were not the case, the hoped for magic is doomed from the outset for a wide variety of reasons correctly stated by Newtonian - components lacking, insufficient concentrations of those made, non-peptide bonds as often formed as frequently as the required peptide bonds, insurmountable chirality problem as only the L form (as opposed to the R form) is found in humans (with a few exceptions), and what first directed the proper folding of proteins, hmmmm? No easy task. It's not like folding your shirt. Nobody has been awarded a Nobel Prize for synthesizing human proteins in the lab. We still extract blood from volunteers because we can't manufacture it and we have the formula!

True.

Most scientists now reject Miller's hypothetical early earth atmosphere at the origin of life was wrong.

Though few consider the math involved in the deposition of earth's crustal carbonates (over 64 million petagrams of carbon in earth's crustal Carbonate according to Britannica.) But nonetheless for other valid reasons many scientists consider the early earth's atmosphere was CO2, N2 and a very little O2 (due to photolysis of water/H2O) which releases Oxygen.

Note how little Oxygen Miller proposed: CH4 (methane), NH3 (ammonia), H2 (Hydrogen) and H2O (water). Of course, Miller did not want any Oxygen atoms floating around!
 

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Do you really suppose you can prove (or disprove) the existence of God when so many before you have failed? What arrogance. Just accept that belief in God only requires faith not facts.

Says one who doesn't know the facts. Hollie knows how to find the facts now, but still doesn't understand how to use them. You do not even know history. Just what is the inspired words of God? It's part history. History says that from our fallen parents came a fallen world, but what happened after that?
What facts? But you do raise an interesting question, to wit: "Just what is the inspired words of God?". I honestly have no idea what you mean by inspired. Did they originally come from God and have been preserved by men or has he had a hand in the copying and translating of His words up to this day?

Inspired words mean from those of men who were given God's words to write down. Next, they were verified by the kings of Israel.

You mention arrogance and that is for those who want to be like God. I think that's pretty much all of us since God's first commandment is thou shalt have no other gods before me.

So what does the inspired words tell us about history? It tells us our first countries and governments were formed after the flood in the Table of Nations (seventy nations). We haven't been able to figure out all of these nations that descended from Noah's family, but they went their separate ways after the Tower of Babel. However, we do get what nation rose to become the first empire (?). It may not be the first, but it was the first great empire -- Babylon, an evil empire.

Babylon wasn't an evil empire.. By the time of Adam and Eve Babylon had agriculture, a written language, irrigation an sailboats. Remember, only the good figs were exiled to Babylon. The Tower of Babel myth is set only 100 years after Noah landed the Ark..
 

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