Saying the quiet thing out loud..........again.

[Oddball]

How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?

By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.

No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.

Voting by mail would make that moot.

Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.

Is that why Trump voted by mail?

He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.

He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.

There is no practical difference whatsoever. Both ballots are processed in the same way.

No Hutch Starskey
The difference is verifying ID under penalty of perjury BEFORE submitting votes by mailin ballots.
This makes all the difference when verifying signatures and counting votes.

Without verifying if the ballots were filled by the actual person named, the same ballots can be recounted over and over and defeat the whole purpose of challenging the count!

You just pointed out what is wrong with this system. All you are doing is counting the ballots as the same whether they are notarized and proven to be cast by the individual named, or filled out by other people.

As others pointed out, this is why all other countries don't use mail-in ballots, but require voting in person. Even inking each person's finger to ensure they only vote once!

The difference is verifying ID under penalty of perjury BEFORE submitting votes by mailin ballots.
This makes all the difference when verifying signatures and counting votes.

Without verifying if the ballots were filled by the actual person named, the same ballots can be recounted over and over and defeat the whole purpose of challenging the count!

Ok....How is that different from an absentee ballot? They do not require notarization either. The absentee ballots are requested by the voter just as the mail in ballots are. There is no practical difference in how they are processed.

I posted a link to the differences with absentee ballots per state.

Many states require notarizations and witnesses that the person
signed and submitted the ballot.

Again, the big difference with THIS election was there were suddenly
a surge of MILLIONS more voters per state submitting ballots by mail
and/or absentee.

So with that huge change, we should have agreed on more secure standards
so we would avoid the disputes that occurred by NOT implementing
Notarization requirements and witnesses.

Even states that did not have these before, could have been required
to implement those requirements due to the MASSIVE increase
in voters using these methods IN THE MILLIONS which otherwise
could not be verified in such mass volumes!

This election was different due to COVID.
So better standards should have been agreed on in order
to avoid disputes over mailin ballots IN THE MILLIONS that would far exceed
the narrow margins and would require greater security to
make sure close races are measured accurately.

They're playing stupid on purpose.

They'll lie, whether by commission or omission, to get universal ballots available at your local c-store.

 

[pknopp]

How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?

By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.

No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.

Voting by mail would make that moot.

Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.

Is that why Trump voted by mail?

He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.

FYI- there is ZERO difference in Florida between absentee voting and vote by mail....none, zip, zilch. No difference at all.... there are no restrictions for any registered voter to request a ballot... Florida calls it vote by mail now and not absentee voting from one article that I read....

my state is the same and so is it for a few dozen states.... they've been changing their laws over the past couple of decades to not need an excuse for an absentee ballot.... if registered just request one.

And if you see mail in voting as meaning state gvts mailing ballots to all voters....

the battle ground states DID NOT DO SUCH MAILINGS, you had to request an absentee ballot and be an active registered voter, to get one.... Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan etc DID NOT mass mail ballots, the voter HAD TO request one, just like the former president Trump.

A guide to state vote-by-mail ballot notarization requirements

As the November 2020 general election draws closer, Notaries are likely to get requests to notarize absentee or mail-in ballots. In these states, notarization plays an important part in the vote-by-mail process.

www.nationalnotary.org

Thanks! Maine, requires a notary for a third party that is not immediate family, if they are dropping it off.

I've voted absentee for the past 14 years living here, but have never needed my ballot notarized because I have mailed it, or had my husband drop it off the day he votes in person.

Dear Care4all Oddball pknopp
When it was just Military, Students or few people per district using absentee or mailin ballots, it wasn't enough to raise concerns.

But with MILLIONS more ballots per state, plus narrow margins of fewer than 20-50k vote differences, this is what caused objections to unnotarized ballots that could not be verified within the timeframe to meet the same standards as before.

Because people and states did not all agree to the same rules, changes and process, the unresolved conflicts disrupt communication as needed to resolve disputes to ensure equal representation and protection of people of all beliefs, parties and creeds.

We should have agreed on rules and process before the election.

If voting in person is important you lead by example.

Yes, and with MILLIONS of mail in ballots, if half the nation
requires the standard of NOTARIZED signatures requiring witnesses,
then that should be used. If other people don't require that, then this
is just extra protection for those who do require it.

Same with confirming that ballots and votes are submitted
only by citizens legally eligible.

If that is the standard that taxpayers insist on,
it should be enforced.

Good luck. Voting is going to be overall made easier, not harder.

Not so in Red States. They're already passing crazy bills

Is this where I note that maybe those people shouldn't vote anyway?

 

[Lesh]

How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?

By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.

No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.

Voting by mail would make that moot.

Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.

Is that why Trump voted by mail?

He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.

FYI- there is ZERO difference in Florida between absentee voting and vote by mail....none, zip, zilch. No difference at all.... there are no restrictions for any registered voter to request a ballot... Florida calls it vote by mail now and not absentee voting from one article that I read....

my state is the same and so is it for a few dozen states.... they've been changing their laws over the past couple of decades to not need an excuse for an absentee ballot.... if registered just request one.

And if you see mail in voting as meaning state gvts mailing ballots to all voters....

the battle ground states DID NOT DO SUCH MAILINGS, you had to request an absentee ballot and be an active registered voter, to get one.... Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan etc DID NOT mass mail ballots, the voter HAD TO request one, just like the former president Trump.

A guide to state vote-by-mail ballot notarization requirements

As the November 2020 general election draws closer, Notaries are likely to get requests to notarize absentee or mail-in ballots. In these states, notarization plays an important part in the vote-by-mail process.

www.nationalnotary.org

Thanks! Maine, requires a notary for a third party that is not immediate family, if they are dropping it off.

I've voted absentee for the past 14 years living here, but have never needed my ballot notarized because I have mailed it, or had my husband drop it off the day he votes in person.

Dear Care4all Oddball pknopp
When it was just Military, Students or few people per district using absentee or mailin ballots, it wasn't enough to raise concerns.

But with MILLIONS more ballots per state, plus narrow margins of fewer than 20-50k vote differences, this is what caused objections to unnotarized ballots that could not be verified within the timeframe to meet the same standards as before.

Because people and states did not all agree to the same rules, changes and process, the unresolved conflicts disrupt communication as needed to resolve disputes to ensure equal representation and protection of people of all beliefs, parties and creeds.

We should have agreed on rules and process before the election.

If voting in person is important you lead by example.

Yes, and with MILLIONS of mail in ballots, if half the nation
requires the standard of NOTARIZED signatures requiring witnesses,
then that should be used. If other people don't require that, then this
is just extra protection for those who do require it.

Same with confirming that ballots and votes are submitted
only by citizens legally eligible.

If that is the standard that taxpayers insist on,
it should be enforced.

Good luck. Voting is going to be overall made easier, not harder.

Not so in Red States. They're already passing crazy bills

Is this where I note that maybe those people shouldn't vote anyway?

No. All legal voters should be able to vote. Regardless of whether you approve of them.

 

[Lakhota]

It's not like he had to say it. Voting is a Constitutional right and we should make it as easy as possible. If you want a win, nominate someone the people can support.

The particular argument the lawyer was making was to allow votes by legal, registered voters who voted in the wrong precinct by mistake, to allow those votes to be thrown out. The rationale for this the lawyer admitted to is Repubs believe doing so gives them an advantage. The principle being, Repubs goal is to throw out legal votes if they believe it helps them win elections. Which is what the entire Repub voter restriction movement nationwide is about.

How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake? Everywhere I have voted they have a list of voters, if you're not on the list you're at the wrong location. You can pull up voter information easily on the internet to see where you are supposed to vote.

Because some RED areas keep changing the locations and rules with misinformation designed to confuse voters - mostly in democratic areas. This has been widely publicized.

BTW, not all voters have Internet service.

 

[emilynghiem]

How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?

By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.

No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.

Voting by mail would make that moot.

Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.

Is that why Trump voted by mail?

He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.

FYI- there is ZERO difference in Florida between absentee voting and vote by mail....none, zip, zilch. No difference at all.... there are no restrictions for any registered voter to request a ballot... Florida calls it vote by mail now and not absentee voting from one article that I read....

my state is the same and so is it for a few dozen states.... they've been changing their laws over the past couple of decades to not need an excuse for an absentee ballot.... if registered just request one.

And if you see mail in voting as meaning state gvts mailing ballots to all voters....

the battle ground states DID NOT DO SUCH MAILINGS, you had to request an absentee ballot and be an active registered voter, to get one.... Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan etc DID NOT mass mail ballots, the voter HAD TO request one, just like the former president Trump.

A guide to state vote-by-mail ballot notarization requirements

As the November 2020 general election draws closer, Notaries are likely to get requests to notarize absentee or mail-in ballots. In these states, notarization plays an important part in the vote-by-mail process.

www.nationalnotary.org

Thanks! Maine, requires a notary for a third party that is not immediate family, if they are dropping it off.

I've voted absentee for the past 14 years living here, but have never needed my ballot notarized because I have mailed it, or had my husband drop it off the day he votes in person.

Dear Care4all Oddball pknopp
When it was just Military, Students or few people per district using absentee or mailin ballots, it wasn't enough to raise concerns.

But with MILLIONS more ballots per state, plus narrow margins of fewer than 20-50k vote differences, this is what caused objections to unnotarized ballots that could not be verified within the timeframe to meet the same standards as before.

Because people and states did not all agree to the same rules, changes and process, the unresolved conflicts disrupt communication as needed to resolve disputes to ensure equal representation and protection of people of all beliefs, parties and creeds.

We should have agreed on rules and process before the election.

If voting in person is important you lead by example.

Yes, and with MILLIONS of mail in ballots, if half the nation
requires the standard of NOTARIZED signatures requiring witnesses,
then that should be used. If other people don't require that, then this
is just extra protection for those who do require it.

Same with confirming that ballots and votes are submitted
only by citizens legally eligible.

If that is the standard that taxpayers insist on,
it should be enforced.

Good luck. Voting is going to be overall made easier, not harder.

Not so in Red States. They're already passing crazy bills

Is this where I note that maybe those people shouldn't vote anyway?

No. All legal voters should be able to vote. Regardless of whether you approve of them.

It should not be a matter of whether or not people approve of the voters.

Voting should also require taxpayers to PAY for the programs they vote for, not impose costs on voters who DIDN'T agree to those policies.

We need to set up better means of protecting representation and taxation, because of the biases
in BELIEFS imposed by partisan influence in govt.


Technically, as with other Religious Organizations, Parties and their Political Beliefs, Religions and Creeds SHOULD NOT BE IMPOSED THROUGH GOVT.

But unfortunately, this is what is occurring with Parties pushing their Agenda and Representatives through Govt.

Again, we should be calling for a Constitutional Convention to address the issues of Parties and Political Beliefs. Otherwise, it is similar to Religious Beliefs getting imposed through Govt; only worse, because Political Beliefs become MANDATORY when mixed with Govt!

 

[emilynghiem]

How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?

By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.

No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.

Voting by mail would make that moot.

Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.

Is that why Trump voted by mail?

He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.

FYI- there is ZERO difference in Florida between absentee voting and vote by mail....none, zip, zilch. No difference at all.... there are no restrictions for any registered voter to request a ballot... Florida calls it vote by mail now and not absentee voting from one article that I read....

my state is the same and so is it for a few dozen states.... they've been changing their laws over the past couple of decades to not need an excuse for an absentee ballot.... if registered just request one.

And if you see mail in voting as meaning state gvts mailing ballots to all voters....

the battle ground states DID NOT DO SUCH MAILINGS, you had to request an absentee ballot and be an active registered voter, to get one.... Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan etc DID NOT mass mail ballots, the voter HAD TO request one, just like the former president Trump.

A guide to state vote-by-mail ballot notarization requirements

As the November 2020 general election draws closer, Notaries are likely to get requests to notarize absentee or mail-in ballots. In these states, notarization plays an important part in the vote-by-mail process.

www.nationalnotary.org

Thanks! Maine, requires a notary for a third party that is not immediate family, if they are dropping it off.

I've voted absentee for the past 14 years living here, but have never needed my ballot notarized because I have mailed it, or had my husband drop it off the day he votes in person.

Dear Care4all Oddball pknopp
When it was just Military, Students or few people per district using absentee or mailin ballots, it wasn't enough to raise concerns.

But with MILLIONS more ballots per state, plus narrow margins of fewer than 20-50k vote differences, this is what caused objections to unnotarized ballots that could not be verified within the timeframe to meet the same standards as before.

Because people and states did not all agree to the same rules, changes and process, the unresolved conflicts disrupt communication as needed to resolve disputes to ensure equal representation and protection of people of all beliefs, parties and creeds.

We should have agreed on rules and process before the election.

If voting in person is important you lead by example.

Yes, and with MILLIONS of mail in ballots, if half the nation
requires the standard of NOTARIZED signatures requiring witnesses,
then that should be used. If other people don't require that, then this
is just extra protection for those who do require it.

Same with confirming that ballots and votes are submitted
only by citizens legally eligible.

If that is the standard that taxpayers insist on,
it should be enforced.

Good luck. Voting is going to be overall made easier, not harder.

Not so in Red States. They're already passing crazy bills

Is this where I note that maybe those people shouldn't vote anyway?

What we could do pknopp is start separating WHICH policies involve personal political beliefs and biases,
keep THOSE out of Govt, and require PARTIES to pay for their own biased policies and beliefs deemed private and not public policy.

Where all people and parties AGREE on policy, that remains for govt jurisdiction, either on a state or federal level as appropriate.

But where we disagree due to differences in political beliefs and creeds (such as prolife vs prochoice, or for or against funding the death penalty, or differences in beliefs about marriage and welfare benefits), those can be separated by party and only affect the taxpayers who agree to be under the same terms and conditions.

That would eliminate a lot of the conflicts that are personal choices and not authorized for govt to "mandate" a uniform policy imposed on ALL PEOPLE.

It isn't constitutional for religious beliefs to be established for everyone which are faith based individual choices.

So why not treat health care choices, and beliefs about marriage and social benefits the same way?

If Conservatives believe Military Service should be mandatory, and anyone who enlists can qualify for medical and educational benefits; why not organize a Medical Service alternative for Liberals who believe in Mandatory health care, where Medical training and education is Mandatory for anyone who believes in health care as a Right. So anyone serving through the Medical program for public health should get similar Medical and Educational benefits paid for similar to Military Veterans.

 

[Lesh]

Voting should also require taxpayers to PAY for the programs they vote for, not impose costs on voters who DIDN'T agree to those policies.

Yea it don"t work that way never has never will

Sucks to be you

 

[pknopp]

How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?

By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.

No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.

Voting by mail would make that moot.

Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.

Is that why Trump voted by mail?

He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.

FYI- there is ZERO difference in Florida between absentee voting and vote by mail....none, zip, zilch. No difference at all.... there are no restrictions for any registered voter to request a ballot... Florida calls it vote by mail now and not absentee voting from one article that I read....

my state is the same and so is it for a few dozen states.... they've been changing their laws over the past couple of decades to not need an excuse for an absentee ballot.... if registered just request one.

And if you see mail in voting as meaning state gvts mailing ballots to all voters....

the battle ground states DID NOT DO SUCH MAILINGS, you had to request an absentee ballot and be an active registered voter, to get one.... Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan etc DID NOT mass mail ballots, the voter HAD TO request one, just like the former president Trump.

A guide to state vote-by-mail ballot notarization requirements

As the November 2020 general election draws closer, Notaries are likely to get requests to notarize absentee or mail-in ballots. In these states, notarization plays an important part in the vote-by-mail process.

www.nationalnotary.org

Thanks! Maine, requires a notary for a third party that is not immediate family, if they are dropping it off.

I've voted absentee for the past 14 years living here, but have never needed my ballot notarized because I have mailed it, or had my husband drop it off the day he votes in person.

Dear Care4all Oddball pknopp
When it was just Military, Students or few people per district using absentee or mailin ballots, it wasn't enough to raise concerns.

But with MILLIONS more ballots per state, plus narrow margins of fewer than 20-50k vote differences, this is what caused objections to unnotarized ballots that could not be verified within the timeframe to meet the same standards as before.

Because people and states did not all agree to the same rules, changes and process, the unresolved conflicts disrupt communication as needed to resolve disputes to ensure equal representation and protection of people of all beliefs, parties and creeds.

We should have agreed on rules and process before the election.

If voting in person is important you lead by example.

Yes, and with MILLIONS of mail in ballots, if half the nation
requires the standard of NOTARIZED signatures requiring witnesses,
then that should be used. If other people don't require that, then this
is just extra protection for those who do require it.

Same with confirming that ballots and votes are submitted
only by citizens legally eligible.

If that is the standard that taxpayers insist on,
it should be enforced.

Good luck. Voting is going to be overall made easier, not harder.

Not so in Red States. They're already passing crazy bills

Is this where I note that maybe those people shouldn't vote anyway?

What we could do pknopp is start separating WHICH policies involve personal political beliefs and biases,
keep THOSE out of Govt, and require PARTIES to pay for their own biased policies and beliefs deemed private and not public policy.

Where all people and parties AGREE on policy, that remains for govt jurisdiction, either on a state or federal level as appropriate.

There is no such thing. It's extremely rare for something to pass unanimous. Even then it's not something all parties would agree on.

But where we disagree due to differences in political beliefs and creeds (such as prolife vs prochoice, or for or against funding the death penalty, or differences in beliefs about marriage and welfare benefits), those can be separated by party and only affect the taxpayers who agree to be under the same terms and conditions.

That would eliminate a lot of the conflicts that are personal choices and not authorized for govt to "mandate" a uniform policy imposed on ALL PEOPLE.

It isn't constitutional for religious beliefs to be established for everyone which are faith based individual choices.

So why not treat health care choices, and beliefs about marriage and social benefits the same way?

If Conservatives believe Military Service should be mandatory, and anyone who enlists can qualify for medical and educational benefits; why not organize a Medical Service alternative for Liberals who believe in Mandatory health care, where Medical training and education is Mandatory for anyone who believes in health care as a Right. So anyone serving through the Medical program for public health should get similar Medical and Educational benefits paid for similar to Military Veterans.

We wouldn't even have a military. And the world doesn't work this way. You are arguing for a system where some get health care and some die in the streets. No thanks.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?

By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.

No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.

Voting by mail would make that moot.

Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.

Is that why Trump voted by mail?

He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.

He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.

There is no practical difference whatsoever. Both ballots are processed in the same way.

No Hutch Starskey
The difference is verifying ID under penalty of perjury BEFORE submitting votes by mailin ballots.
This makes all the difference when verifying signatures and counting votes.

Without verifying if the ballots were filled by the actual person named, the same ballots can be recounted over and over and defeat the whole purpose of challenging the count!

You just pointed out what is wrong with this system. All you are doing is counting the ballots as the same whether they are notarized and proven to be cast by the individual named, or filled out by other people.

As others pointed out, this is why all other countries don't use mail-in ballots, but require voting in person. Even inking each person's finger to ensure they only vote once!

The difference is verifying ID under penalty of perjury BEFORE submitting votes by mailin ballots.
This makes all the difference when verifying signatures and counting votes.

Without verifying if the ballots were filled by the actual person named, the same ballots can be recounted over and over and defeat the whole purpose of challenging the count!

Ok....How is that different from an absentee ballot? They do not require notarization either. The absentee ballots are requested by the voter just as the mail in ballots are. There is no practical difference in how they are processed.

I posted a link to the differences with absentee ballots per state.

Many states require notarizations and witnesses that the person
signed and submitted the ballot.

Again, the big difference with THIS election was there were suddenly
a surge of MILLIONS more voters per state submitting ballots by mail
and/or absentee.

So with that huge change, we should have agreed on more secure standards
so we would avoid the disputes that occurred by NOT implementing
Notarization requirements and witnesses.

Even states that did not have these before, could have been required
to implement those requirements due to the MASSIVE increase
in voters using these methods IN THE MILLIONS which otherwise
could not be verified in such mass volumes!

This election was different due to COVID.
So better standards should have been agreed on in order
to avoid disputes over mailin ballots IN THE MILLIONS that would far exceed
the narrow margins and would require greater security to
make sure close races are measured accurately.

I posted a link to the differences with absentee ballots per state.

Many states require notarizations and witnesses that the person
signed and submitted the ballot.

Just stop.
Not a single state Trump has disputed has that requirement for absentee ballots. You’re highlighting a distinction that has no difference. You’re implying a problem where none existed previously.

 

[emilynghiem]

Why is confidence shaken? There was a hand recount of all the ballots verifying Biden's victory

A hand recount is meaningless when you keep recounting the illegal ballots that come in the dead of night and observers are not allowed to do their job.

You leftist understand this but you need to keep repeating the lie

Observers were allowed to do their jobs.

PolitiFact - Trump’s wrong claim that election observers were barred in Pennsylvania, Michigan

President Donald Trump wrongly claimed that Republican election observers have been barred from watching ballot counts i

www.politifact.com

The lies (BIG lies) are all coming from Trump and his psychophants.

Poilitifact is almost as shitty a source as Snopes.

We going to believe those hacks or 1,500 affidavits?

The affidavits that didn't stand up in court?

They weren't heard or presented in court. The courts refused to hear these cases out of inconvenience because it would hold up the election process. The argument used was no standing, that the national election rules did not provide for one state to argue over another state process. But this loophole in the law still allowed some states to change their rules enough to allow PARTY interests to abuse state process to distort national representation biased toward the PARTY pushing for these changes and pushing for their constituents to vote for their candidates. The Conservatives who believe these changes violated rule of law and Constitutional equal protections across the states were discriminated against by these political beliefs and standards violated by the changes outside the agreed rules.

We need a Constitutional Convention to address this since the courts could not accommodate state issues that affect national election laws and process.

Seriously, you guys need better sources of information. Turn off Fox, Newsmax and Trump. They are all LYING to you.

Trump lawsuit affidavits allege Michigan election misconduct, don't show widespread fraud

The Trump campaign filed the affidavits with a lawsuit in an effort to temporarily prevent the certification of Michigan election results.

www.freep.com

Signed and sworn statements from more than 100 people included in a new lawsuit filed in a Michigan federal court by the campaign of President Donald Trump allege misconduct in the processing and counting of ballots in Detroit.

Dear Seawytch I have talked with plenty of people in real life, Independents, Libertarians, Republicans, Conservatives,
who do not agree with the changes adding mail-in ballots in the
millions that weren't notarized and could not be verified with
guaranteed accuracy as needed to measure margins as narrow as
20,000 to 50,000 vote differences in races.

This does not take a news channel, but just asking around
there are plenty of voters who contested the rule changes.

There were still lawsuits pending over the mail-in ballots
from when these changes were first enacted before the election.

Plenty of proof that people DID NOT agree to the same rules,
and are still arguing the changes made were outside the agreed
process by Constitutional laws.

No fraud needs to be proven, to argue that people did not agree to the rules. We still need to resolve that, including ongoing objections
and corrections concerning the electoral college system as well.

Y'all tried challenging "rule changes" . You failed. There was nothing unconstitutional in the changes that were made.

The only reason you started having an issue with mailed in ballots is because Trump needed something to blame when he lost. It worked, you believe his BIG LIE.

No Seawytch
The challenges were not heard in court.
Similar to laws on slavery the courts kept enforcing.

We need a Constitutional Convention to address disputed election rules, including ballots, electoral votes, statehood for DC and PR, and how to manage parties instead of imposing political beliefs through govt that violate rights of others.

None of this has been addressed yet.

Will likely take unity between political party leaders to call a Convention.

 

[emilynghiem]

How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?

By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.

No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.

Voting by mail would make that moot.

Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.

Is that why Trump voted by mail?

He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.

FYI- there is ZERO difference in Florida between absentee voting and vote by mail....none, zip, zilch. No difference at all.... there are no restrictions for any registered voter to request a ballot... Florida calls it vote by mail now and not absentee voting from one article that I read....

my state is the same and so is it for a few dozen states.... they've been changing their laws over the past couple of decades to not need an excuse for an absentee ballot.... if registered just request one.

And if you see mail in voting as meaning state gvts mailing ballots to all voters....

the battle ground states DID NOT DO SUCH MAILINGS, you had to request an absentee ballot and be an active registered voter, to get one.... Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan etc DID NOT mass mail ballots, the voter HAD TO request one, just like the former president Trump.

A guide to state vote-by-mail ballot notarization requirements

As the November 2020 general election draws closer, Notaries are likely to get requests to notarize absentee or mail-in ballots. In these states, notarization plays an important part in the vote-by-mail process.

www.nationalnotary.org

Thanks! Maine, requires a notary for a third party that is not immediate family, if they are dropping it off.

I've voted absentee for the past 14 years living here, but have never needed my ballot notarized because I have mailed it, or had my husband drop it off the day he votes in person.

Dear Care4all Oddball pknopp
When it was just Military, Students or few people per district using absentee or mailin ballots, it wasn't enough to raise concerns.

But with MILLIONS more ballots per state, plus narrow margins of fewer than 20-50k vote differences, this is what caused objections to unnotarized ballots that could not be verified within the timeframe to meet the same standards as before.

Because people and states did not all agree to the same rules, changes and process, the unresolved conflicts disrupt communication as needed to resolve disputes to ensure equal representation and protection of people of all beliefs, parties and creeds.

We should have agreed on rules and process before the election.

If voting in person is important you lead by example.

Yes, and with MILLIONS of mail in ballots, if half the nation
requires the standard of NOTARIZED signatures requiring witnesses,
then that should be used. If other people don't require that, then this
is just extra protection for those who do require it.

Same with confirming that ballots and votes are submitted
only by citizens legally eligible.

If that is the standard that taxpayers insist on,
it should be enforced.

Good luck. Voting is going to be overall made easier, not harder.

Not so in Red States. They're already passing crazy bills

Is this where I note that maybe those people shouldn't vote anyway?

What we could do pknopp is start separating WHICH policies involve personal political beliefs and biases,
keep THOSE out of Govt, and require PARTIES to pay for their own biased policies and beliefs deemed private and not public policy.

Where all people and parties AGREE on policy, that remains for govt jurisdiction, either on a state or federal level as appropriate.

There is no such thing. It's extremely rare for something to pass unanimous. Even then it's not something all parties would agree on.

But where we disagree due to differences in political beliefs and creeds (such as prolife vs prochoice, or for or against funding the death penalty, or differences in beliefs about marriage and welfare benefits), those can be separated by party and only affect the taxpayers who agree to be under the same terms and conditions.

That would eliminate a lot of the conflicts that are personal choices and not authorized for govt to "mandate" a uniform policy imposed on ALL PEOPLE.

It isn't constitutional for religious beliefs to be established for everyone which are faith based individual choices.

So why not treat health care choices, and beliefs about marriage and social benefits the same way?

If Conservatives believe Military Service should be mandatory, and anyone who enlists can qualify for medical and educational benefits; why not organize a Medical Service alternative for Liberals who believe in Mandatory health care, where Medical training and education is Mandatory for anyone who believes in health care as a Right. So anyone serving through the Medical program for public health should get similar Medical and Educational benefits paid for similar to Military Veterans.

We wouldn't even have a military. And the world doesn't work this way. You are arguing for a system where some get health care and some die in the streets. No thanks.

Dear pknopp
1. The Code of Ethics for Govt Service was passed unanimously by Congress in 1980 and is extremely well written. I would compare it with the Bill of Rights www.ethics-commission.net

2. And YES the whole point is to limit and focus federal govt on only what is centralized uniform jurisdiction.

All the rest we cannot agree on should be delegated accordingly.

3. We can start by having votes on which legislation or agencies/dept of govt are Constitutionally agreed upon or not, which policies we agree to vote on by 2/3 or by 51% or which require consensus, which are state, federal or local, which can be delegated to taxpayers or states to democratize by party precinct or electoral district etc.

If we cannot agree on everything, we need to agree where to delegate or resolve conflicts, which can be addressed by dividing under separate policies and which can be funded by uniting on common solutions.

 

[pknopp]

How do you vote in the wrong precinct by mistake?

By making a mistake. The point is the votes are being cast by registered voters. Why don't Repubs want to count them? Because they think it's to their advantage to throw them out.

No, by being an idiot.

If you can't find the assigned precinct polling place, which is in your own neighborhood, you're too stupid to vote.

Voting by mail would make that moot.

Voting by mail is an open invitation to fraud....Cheating favors your team.

Is that why Trump voted by mail?

He voted absentee, not "by mail"....Thare's a vast difference and you're playing stupid on purpose to pretend as though there isn't.

FYI- there is ZERO difference in Florida between absentee voting and vote by mail....none, zip, zilch. No difference at all.... there are no restrictions for any registered voter to request a ballot... Florida calls it vote by mail now and not absentee voting from one article that I read....

my state is the same and so is it for a few dozen states.... they've been changing their laws over the past couple of decades to not need an excuse for an absentee ballot.... if registered just request one.

And if you see mail in voting as meaning state gvts mailing ballots to all voters....

the battle ground states DID NOT DO SUCH MAILINGS, you had to request an absentee ballot and be an active registered voter, to get one.... Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan etc DID NOT mass mail ballots, the voter HAD TO request one, just like the former president Trump.

A guide to state vote-by-mail ballot notarization requirements

As the November 2020 general election draws closer, Notaries are likely to get requests to notarize absentee or mail-in ballots. In these states, notarization plays an important part in the vote-by-mail process.

www.nationalnotary.org

Thanks! Maine, requires a notary for a third party that is not immediate family, if they are dropping it off.

I've voted absentee for the past 14 years living here, but have never needed my ballot notarized because I have mailed it, or had my husband drop it off the day he votes in person.

Dear Care4all Oddball pknopp
When it was just Military, Students or few people per district using absentee or mailin ballots, it wasn't enough to raise concerns.

But with MILLIONS more ballots per state, plus narrow margins of fewer than 20-50k vote differences, this is what caused objections to unnotarized ballots that could not be verified within the timeframe to meet the same standards as before.

Because people and states did not all agree to the same rules, changes and process, the unresolved conflicts disrupt communication as needed to resolve disputes to ensure equal representation and protection of people of all beliefs, parties and creeds.

We should have agreed on rules and process before the election.

If voting in person is important you lead by example.

Yes, and with MILLIONS of mail in ballots, if half the nation
requires the standard of NOTARIZED signatures requiring witnesses,
then that should be used. If other people don't require that, then this
is just extra protection for those who do require it.

Same with confirming that ballots and votes are submitted
only by citizens legally eligible.

If that is the standard that taxpayers insist on,
it should be enforced.

Good luck. Voting is going to be overall made easier, not harder.

Not so in Red States. They're already passing crazy bills

Is this where I note that maybe those people shouldn't vote anyway?

What we could do pknopp is start separating WHICH policies involve personal political beliefs and biases,
keep THOSE out of Govt, and require PARTIES to pay for their own biased policies and beliefs deemed private and not public policy.

Where all people and parties AGREE on policy, that remains for govt jurisdiction, either on a state or federal level as appropriate.

There is no such thing. It's extremely rare for something to pass unanimous. Even then it's not something all parties would agree on.

But where we disagree due to differences in political beliefs and creeds (such as prolife vs prochoice, or for or against funding the death penalty, or differences in beliefs about marriage and welfare benefits), those can be separated by party and only affect the taxpayers who agree to be under the same terms and conditions.

That would eliminate a lot of the conflicts that are personal choices and not authorized for govt to "mandate" a uniform policy imposed on ALL PEOPLE.

It isn't constitutional for religious beliefs to be established for everyone which are faith based individual choices.

So why not treat health care choices, and beliefs about marriage and social benefits the same way?

If Conservatives believe Military Service should be mandatory, and anyone who enlists can qualify for medical and educational benefits; why not organize a Medical Service alternative for Liberals who believe in Mandatory health care, where Medical training and education is Mandatory for anyone who believes in health care as a Right. So anyone serving through the Medical program for public health should get similar Medical and Educational benefits paid for similar to Military Veterans.

We wouldn't even have a military. And the world doesn't work this way. You are arguing for a system where some get health care and some die in the streets. No thanks.

Dear pknopp
1. The Code of Ethics for Govt Service was passed unanimously by Congress in 1980 and is extremely well written. I would compare it with the Bill of Rights www.ethics-commission.net

2. And YES the whole point is to limit and focus federal govt on only what is centralized uniform jurisdiction.

All the rest we cannot agree on should be delegated accordingly.

3. We can start by having votes on which legislation or agencies/dept of govt are Constitutionally agreed upon or not, which policies we agree to vote on by 2/3 or by 51% or which require consensus, which are state, federal or local, which can be delegated to taxpayers or states to democratize by party precinct or electoral district etc.

If we cannot agree on everything, we need to agree where to delegate or resolve conflicts, which can be addressed by dividing under separate policies and which can be funded by uniting on common solutions.

We can't agree on squat.

 

[Lesh]

We need a Constitutional Convention

That's the LAST thing we need.

That would be the definition of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[emilynghiem]

We need a Constitutional Convention

That's the LAST thing we need.

That would be the definition of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

No Lesh because we can agree in advance to keep the baby and only change out the dirty bathwater. As an agreement on terms and purpose for having a Convention

I would require representation by all parties, including conflict resolution and facilitation support, in order to reach consensus on proposed changes. And not change anything unless all objections are addressed and all is done by agreement.

Most areas of conflict would be relegated locally to people, states and parties since we "wouldn't agree on much" (as pknopp pointed out) especially areas involving beliefs that would require separate policies anyway.

The amendments made for federal govt would be extremely narrow and limited, where all people and parties agree.

Anything else we cannot agree on uniformly as national policy, this is where we need to resolve our own issues and leep them out of govt in the first place!

The most we might agree on is delegating conflicting policies to parties to democratically manage among supporters willing to fund those programs and process.

For example, if we can agree on federal tax breaks and deductions to reward people using parties or states to mamage their own solutions and resources, we don't have to agree on content. All that gets decided locally. We just agree nationally on tax reform to shift responsibility and representation back to states and parties to take this burden off federal govt.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Once in a while the cat gets out of the bag. It happened when Kevin McCarthy admitted the Repubs were holding hearings on Hillary because they were trying to knock her poll numbers down. It happened when Vlad's favorite candidate told the Russians he was meeting with in the Oval Office he fired Comey to "relieve pressure" from the "Russia (investigation) thing."

It happened again.

In Supreme Court, GOP attorney defends voting restrictions by saying they help Republicans win

An attorney for Arizona's Republican Party offered a blunt reason for his presence defending the state's voting restrictions before the Supreme Court on Tuesday: The measures disadvantage Democrats.

The Supreme Court is hearing arguments over Arizona voting restrictions in a pair of consolidated cases challenging a state law banning ballot collection and a policy that tosses ballots cast in the wrong precinct. Democrats have sued, saying the rules discriminate against minorities and violate Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...voting-restrictions-saying-they-help-n1259305

Saying the quiet thing out loud..........again......Democrat Voters are racist bigots and Democrat Politicians are lying crooks​