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Saw a bumpersticker that said....Re-beat Bush
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Said1
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Bonnie said:Just goes to show the mindset of Dems...They never got over the fact that Bush won the election in 2000..So all this venom directed at Bush is founded upon the Democrats not getting over it............ :funnyface
I found that kinda funny, although I do find humor in things I probably shouldn't sometimes. :huh:
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Said1 said:I found that kinda funny, although I do find humor in things I probably shouldn't sometimes. :huh:
I can see why it would seem funny. Problem is these fools believe it! The fact that Bush won every recount, that we have an electoral college, none make a whit of difference.
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Kathianne said:I can see why it would seem funny. Problem is these fools believe it! The fact that Bush won every recount, that we have an electoral college, none make a whit of difference.
Exactly. As Bonnie so nicely put it "GET OVER IT!".
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Kathianne said:I can see why it would seem funny. Problem is these fools believe it! The fact that Bush won every recount, that we have an electoral college, none make a whit of difference.
To me like you Kathianne, it is funny, but also scary that there are intelligent (I think) grown up people that beleive this. This person who had the sticker was a 50 ish man not a dumb college kid.
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I'd have to say my favorite "stupid" slogan of the Democrats has to be
President (S)elect.
President (S)elect.
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:rotflmao: Thats great!krisy said:My brother saw a truck with a Bush Cheney bumper sticker. As he looked over he saw a Kerry Edwards bumper sticker on the same truck,then realized that one said"Kerry Edwards-so full of shit you need 2 Johns".
Bonnie said::rotflmao: Thats great!
I thought it was pretty damn funny! I didn't know if it was an old joke,but I hadn't heard it before.
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krisy said:I thought it was pretty damn funny! I didn't know if it was an old joke,but I hadn't heard it before.
Almost makes me wish I wrote slogans like that for a living
i am not a democrat but i saw this is on tv and i also read this somewhere, but i don't know if this is true:
this article does not necessarily represent my views.. lol..
please guys, give me your opinion on this..
link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A99749-2001May30
the article's title is Botched Name Purge Denied Some the Right to Vote
this article does not necessarily represent my views.. lol..
please guys, give me your opinion on this..
link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A99749-2001May30
the article's title is Botched Name Purge Denied Some the Right to Vote
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ld_avid said:i am not a democrat but i saw this is on tv and i also read this somewhere, but i don't know if this is true:
this article does not necessarily represent my views.. lol..
please guys, give me your opinion on this..
link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A99749-2001May30
the article's title is Botched Name Purge Denied Some the Right to Vote
Well it's from March of 01, so I'll assume it had to do with either a local election or the 2000 race. Mix ups with names happens, part and parcel of bureaucracies. That kind of story happens with each election, not so in India?
another article i read on the internet a couple of days ago:
THE GREAT FLORIDA EX-CON GAME How the 'felon' voter-purge was itself felonious
Harper's Magazine
Friday, March 1, 2002
E-Mail Article
Printer Friendly Version
by Greg Palast
In November the U.S. media, lost in patriotic reverie, dressed up the Florida recount as a victory for President Bush. But however one reads the ballots, Bush's win would certainly have been jeopardized had not some Floridians been barred from casting ballots at all. Between May 1999 and Election Day 2000, two Florida secretaries of state - Sandra Mortham and Katherine Harris, both protégées of Governor Jeb Bush- ordered 57,700 "ex-felons," who are prohibited from voting by state law, to be removed from voter rolls. (In the thirty-five states where former felons can vote, roughly 90 percent vote Democratic.) A portion of the list, which was compiled for Florida by DBT Online, can be seen for the first time here; DBT, a company now owned by ChoicePoint of Atlanta, was paid $4.3 million for its work, replacing a firm that charged $5,700 per year for the same service. If the hope was that DBT would enable Florida to exclude more voters, then the state appears to have spent its money wisely.
Click here to view full size
Two of these "scrub lists," as officials called them, were distributed to counties in the months before the election with orders to remove the voters named. Together the lists comprised nearly 1 percent of Florida?s electorate and nearly 3 percent of its African-American voters. Most of the voters (such as "David Butler," (1); a name that appears 77 times in Florida phone books) were selected because their name, gender, birthdate and race matched - or nearly matched - one of the tens of millions of ex-felons in the United States. Neither DBT nor the state conducted any further research to verify the matches. DBT, which frequently is hired by the F.B.I. to conduct manhunts, originally proposed using address histories and financial records to confirm the names, but the state declined the cross-checks. In Harris?s elections office files, next to DBT?s sophisticated verification plan, there is a hand-written note: ?DON?T NEED.?
Thomas Alvin Cooper (2), twenty-eight, was flagged because of a crime for which he will be convicted in the year 2007. According to Florida?s elections division, this intrepid time-traveler will cover his tracks by moving to Ohio, adding a middle name, and changing his race. Harper's found 325 names on the list with conviction dates in the future, a fact that did not escape Department of Elections workers, who, in June 2000 emails headed, ?Future Conviction Dates," termed the discovery, "bad news.? Rather than release this whacky data to skeptical counties, Janet Mudrow, state liaison to DBT, suggested that ?blanks would be preferable in these cases." (Harper's counted 4,917 blank conviction dates.) The one county that checked each of the 694 names on its local list could verify only 34 as actual felony convicts. Some counties defied Harris' directives; Madison County's elections supervisor Linda Howell refused the purge list after she found her own name on it.
Rev. Willie Dixon (3), seventy, was guilty of a crime in his youth; but one phone call would have told the state that it had already pardoned Dixon and restored his right to vote. On behalf of Dixon and other excluded voters, the NAACP in January 2001 sued Florida and Harris, after finding that African-Americans?who account for 13 percent of Florida's electorate and 46 percent of U.S. felony convictions ?were four times as likely as whites to be incorrectly singled out under the state's methodology. After the election, Harris and her elections chief Clay Roberts, testified under oath that verifying the lists was solely the work of county supervisors. But the Florida-DBT contract (marked "Secret" and ?Confidential?) holds DBT responsible for ?manual verification using telephone calls.? in fact, with the state?s blessing, DBT did not call a single felon. When I asked Roberts about the contract during an interview for BBC television, Roberts ripped off his microphone, ran into his office, locked the door, and called in state troopers to remove us.
Johnny Jackson Jr. (4), thirty-two, has never been to Texas, and his mother swears he never had the middle name ?Fitzgerald.? Neither is there evidence that John Fitzgerald Jackson, felon of Texas, has ever left the Lone Star State. But even if they were the same man, removing him from Florida?s voter rolls is an unconstitutional act. Texas is among the thirty five states where ex-felons are permitted to vote, and the "full faith and credit" clause of the U.S. Constitution forbids states to revoke any civil rights that a citizen has been granted by another state; in fact, the Florida Supreme Court had twice ordered the state not to do so, just nine months before the voter purge. Nevertheless, at least 2,873 voters were wrongly removed, a purge authorized by a September 18, 2000 letter to counties from Governor Bush's clemency office. On February 23, 2001, days after the U.S. Commission of Civil Rights began investigating the matters, Bush's office issued a new letter allowing these persons to vote; no copies of the earlier letter could be found in the clemency office or on its computers.
Wallace McDonald (5), sixty-four, lost his right to vote in 2000, though his sole run-in with the law was a misdemeanor in 1959. (He fell asleep on a bus-stop bench.) Of the "matches' on these lists, the civil-rights commission estimated that at least 14 percent - or 8,000 voters, nearly 15 times Bush's official margin of victory - were false. DBT claims it warned officials "a significant number of people who were not a felon would be included on the list"; but the state, the company now says, "wanted there to be more names than were actually verified." Last May, Florida's legislature barred Harris from using outside firms to build the purge list and ordered her to seek guidance from county elections officials. In defiance, Harris has rebuffed the counties and hired another firm, just in time for Jeb Bush's reelection fight this fall.
THE GREAT FLORIDA EX-CON GAME How the 'felon' voter-purge was itself felonious
Harper's Magazine
Friday, March 1, 2002
E-Mail Article
Printer Friendly Version
by Greg Palast
In November the U.S. media, lost in patriotic reverie, dressed up the Florida recount as a victory for President Bush. But however one reads the ballots, Bush's win would certainly have been jeopardized had not some Floridians been barred from casting ballots at all. Between May 1999 and Election Day 2000, two Florida secretaries of state - Sandra Mortham and Katherine Harris, both protégées of Governor Jeb Bush- ordered 57,700 "ex-felons," who are prohibited from voting by state law, to be removed from voter rolls. (In the thirty-five states where former felons can vote, roughly 90 percent vote Democratic.) A portion of the list, which was compiled for Florida by DBT Online, can be seen for the first time here; DBT, a company now owned by ChoicePoint of Atlanta, was paid $4.3 million for its work, replacing a firm that charged $5,700 per year for the same service. If the hope was that DBT would enable Florida to exclude more voters, then the state appears to have spent its money wisely.
Click here to view full size
Two of these "scrub lists," as officials called them, were distributed to counties in the months before the election with orders to remove the voters named. Together the lists comprised nearly 1 percent of Florida?s electorate and nearly 3 percent of its African-American voters. Most of the voters (such as "David Butler," (1); a name that appears 77 times in Florida phone books) were selected because their name, gender, birthdate and race matched - or nearly matched - one of the tens of millions of ex-felons in the United States. Neither DBT nor the state conducted any further research to verify the matches. DBT, which frequently is hired by the F.B.I. to conduct manhunts, originally proposed using address histories and financial records to confirm the names, but the state declined the cross-checks. In Harris?s elections office files, next to DBT?s sophisticated verification plan, there is a hand-written note: ?DON?T NEED.?
Thomas Alvin Cooper (2), twenty-eight, was flagged because of a crime for which he will be convicted in the year 2007. According to Florida?s elections division, this intrepid time-traveler will cover his tracks by moving to Ohio, adding a middle name, and changing his race. Harper's found 325 names on the list with conviction dates in the future, a fact that did not escape Department of Elections workers, who, in June 2000 emails headed, ?Future Conviction Dates," termed the discovery, "bad news.? Rather than release this whacky data to skeptical counties, Janet Mudrow, state liaison to DBT, suggested that ?blanks would be preferable in these cases." (Harper's counted 4,917 blank conviction dates.) The one county that checked each of the 694 names on its local list could verify only 34 as actual felony convicts. Some counties defied Harris' directives; Madison County's elections supervisor Linda Howell refused the purge list after she found her own name on it.
Rev. Willie Dixon (3), seventy, was guilty of a crime in his youth; but one phone call would have told the state that it had already pardoned Dixon and restored his right to vote. On behalf of Dixon and other excluded voters, the NAACP in January 2001 sued Florida and Harris, after finding that African-Americans?who account for 13 percent of Florida's electorate and 46 percent of U.S. felony convictions ?were four times as likely as whites to be incorrectly singled out under the state's methodology. After the election, Harris and her elections chief Clay Roberts, testified under oath that verifying the lists was solely the work of county supervisors. But the Florida-DBT contract (marked "Secret" and ?Confidential?) holds DBT responsible for ?manual verification using telephone calls.? in fact, with the state?s blessing, DBT did not call a single felon. When I asked Roberts about the contract during an interview for BBC television, Roberts ripped off his microphone, ran into his office, locked the door, and called in state troopers to remove us.
Johnny Jackson Jr. (4), thirty-two, has never been to Texas, and his mother swears he never had the middle name ?Fitzgerald.? Neither is there evidence that John Fitzgerald Jackson, felon of Texas, has ever left the Lone Star State. But even if they were the same man, removing him from Florida?s voter rolls is an unconstitutional act. Texas is among the thirty five states where ex-felons are permitted to vote, and the "full faith and credit" clause of the U.S. Constitution forbids states to revoke any civil rights that a citizen has been granted by another state; in fact, the Florida Supreme Court had twice ordered the state not to do so, just nine months before the voter purge. Nevertheless, at least 2,873 voters were wrongly removed, a purge authorized by a September 18, 2000 letter to counties from Governor Bush's clemency office. On February 23, 2001, days after the U.S. Commission of Civil Rights began investigating the matters, Bush's office issued a new letter allowing these persons to vote; no copies of the earlier letter could be found in the clemency office or on its computers.
Wallace McDonald (5), sixty-four, lost his right to vote in 2000, though his sole run-in with the law was a misdemeanor in 1959. (He fell asleep on a bus-stop bench.) Of the "matches' on these lists, the civil-rights commission estimated that at least 14 percent - or 8,000 voters, nearly 15 times Bush's official margin of victory - were false. DBT claims it warned officials "a significant number of people who were not a felon would be included on the list"; but the state, the company now says, "wanted there to be more names than were actually verified." Last May, Florida's legislature barred Harris from using outside firms to build the purge list and ordered her to seek guidance from county elections officials. In defiance, Harris has rebuffed the counties and hired another firm, just in time for Jeb Bush's reelection fight this fall.
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It is funny. Not lol but haha funny. You know the kind where you laugh at some jackass who was just pissing you off as he trips over his feet and faceplants on the concrete then blames you for falling. That kind of funny.
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insein said:It is funny. Not lol but haha funny. You know the kind where you laugh at some jackass who was just pissing you off as he trips over his feet and faceplants on the concrete then blames you for falling. That kind of funny.
Just wondering since you are in Philly I have to ask.........Ginos or Pats????Kathianne said:Well it's from March of 01, so I'll assume it had to do with either a local election or the 2000 race. Mix ups with names happens, part and parcel of bureaucracies. That kind of story happens with each election, not so in India?
of course it happens in India, but first you have to understand the indian political system.. in the local level, where people vote for someone, this someone is called the "MLA" i guess he is what you would call a "state senator" in the US, this is where sometimes the corruption occurs, but again only in a small level, in the end, because india has such a huge population, it doesn't really matter, because of a thousand votes or something like that..
in india, i guess you already know this, during the prime minister, he is like the american president, the indian president is nothing but a dummy, he hasn't got that much power, but dummy is the wrong word, because the president now is a great scientist, he was the head of the Indian rocket science department... well, this is what happens.. indian people vote for parties in their state, and depending on how many votes the parties get, they get that many MPs (this is where it gets confusing) the MPs are like your national senators.. well if you want to be prime minister of india your party needs to have like 270 MPs on their side, i don't know the exact amount..
but when the people vote for the parties, they just don't vote for the main two parties, congress and BJP, they also vote for other parties, usually congrss and bjp are the minorities in the state level, for example in my state right now a party named AIADMK is the ruling party...
so the parties like AIADMK need to decide which of the two parties they are going to give their MPs to, like Congress or BJP... so in the end this happens all over india, and the party that gets 270 MPs wins the election.. this time AIADMK gave all their MPs to BJP, but BJP still lost..
so you don't have corruption in the major level, cause senators don't cheat...
whew, that took a long time.. even i am confused about this stuff...
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Bonnie said:
Neither. There are so many other good little shops here its unbelievable. But both of them are very good. Cheesesteaks in Philly are pretty much good no matter where you go (except McDonalds).
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MtnBiker said:Was in on Psychoblues' car?
Very good MB! Have you seen him around? I haven't.
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