Satan

[BreezeWood]

How the Jewish and Christian faiths differ on who is Satan.

I am Satan. Just ask that "one tree" guy.

Satan is very real and a very powerful being. He will tempt you and you usually don't realize he's doing it, i.e. he loves to hide. People will blame God for their problems instead. The best way to get rid of him is to say, "Get lost Satan." In your case, "Get lost Crepitus Satan."

.

Satan is very real and a very powerful being.

.
- if that were true how is it they did not drown with everyone else, the great flood.

* the very reason for the flood as the example and meaning requiring the triumph over evil - necessary for admission to the Everlasting.

The answer is found in the reason for the flood. Satan had made the evil people so powerful that the innocent were in danger. Satan couldn't be destroyed by a Earthly catastrophe. He is a spiritual being who can't be destroyed so easily. He'll have to be defeated in a final war, but even then he won't be destroyed.

.

He is a spiritual being who can't be destroyed so easily. He'll (they'll) have to be defeated in a final war, but even then he won't be destroyed.

.
if they were alive which they are not.

so sad, evil exists even if dormant till made alive by a deed causing harm, such as prevails through all beings early in life to then be spent for its duration to undo and triumph over the enormity of evil before their physiological existence expires for their freed spirits to be admitted to the Everlasting or otherwise perish as with its physical presence.

the parable of noah is the religion of antiquity as prescribed by those that brought about the great flood. one version or another.

 

[anotherlife]

Satan is just God's excuse for fucking up. That's why God made him.

In that case, the Cathari thesis applies, in which the physical world was created by an imperfect god, an evil demurrage.

The possibility therefore the assurance in eternity that the genesis conversation between Eve and the devil can happen, indicates that the creation itself was planned with such a backdoor access into it.

Like Windows of Microsoft before adding a firewall software to it.

You may have a point. Now what do we do?

Stop believing in such bullshit.

Ok since you don't know what you are talking about, you want to spread mischievous misinformation, let's clear this up. Satan is not a fuckup nor a mistake. It is a force that is systematic coherent coordinated intelligent and infinitely torturous.

 

[Taz]

Satan is just God's excuse for fucking up. That's why God made him.

In that case, the Cathari thesis applies, in which the physical world was created by an imperfect god, an evil demurrage.

The possibility therefore the assurance in eternity that the genesis conversation between Eve and the devil can happen, indicates that the creation itself was planned with such a backdoor access into it.

Like Windows of Microsoft before adding a firewall software to it.

You may have a point. Now what do we do?

Stop believing in such bullshit.

Ok since you don't know what you are talking about, you want to spread mischievous misinformation, let's clear this up. Satan is not a fuckup nor a mistake. It is a force that is systematic coherent coordinated intelligent and infinitely torturous.

So why did god make a universe with satan in it?

 

[anotherlife]

Satan is just God's excuse for fucking up. That's why God made him.

In that case, the Cathari thesis applies, in which the physical world was created by an imperfect god, an evil demurrage.

The possibility therefore the assurance in eternity that the genesis conversation between Eve and the devil can happen, indicates that the creation itself was planned with such a backdoor access into it.

Like Windows of Microsoft before adding a firewall software to it.

You may have a point. Now what do we do?

Stop believing in such bullshit.

Ok since you don't know what you are talking about, you want to spread mischievous misinformation, let's clear this up. Satan is not a fuckup nor a mistake. It is a force that is systematic coherent coordinated intelligent and infinitely torturous.

So why did god make a universe with satan in it?

What was Satan before he went bad?

 

[Taz]

Satan is just God's excuse for fucking up. That's why God made him.

In that case, the Cathari thesis applies, in which the physical world was created by an imperfect god, an evil demurrage.

The possibility therefore the assurance in eternity that the genesis conversation between Eve and the devil can happen, indicates that the creation itself was planned with such a backdoor access into it.

Like Windows of Microsoft before adding a firewall software to it.

You may have a point. Now what do we do?

Stop believing in such bullshit.

Ok since you don't know what you are talking about, you want to spread mischievous misinformation, let's clear this up. Satan is not a fuckup nor a mistake. It is a force that is systematic coherent coordinated intelligent and infinitely torturous.

So why did god make a universe with satan in it?

What was Satan before he went bad?

Doesn't matter, what matters is why did god make a universe where a satan could flourish?

 

[anotherlife]

Satan is just God's excuse for fucking up. That's why God made him.

In that case, the Cathari thesis applies, in which the physical world was created by an imperfect god, an evil demurrage.

The possibility therefore the assurance in eternity that the genesis conversation between Eve and the devil can happen, indicates that the creation itself was planned with such a backdoor access into it.

Like Windows of Microsoft before adding a firewall software to it.

You may have a point. Now what do we do?

Stop believing in such bullshit.

Ok since you don't know what you are talking about, you want to spread mischievous misinformation, let's clear this up. Satan is not a fuckup nor a mistake. It is a force that is systematic coherent coordinated intelligent and infinitely torturous.

So why did god make a universe with satan in it?

What was Satan before he went bad?

Doesn't matter, what matters is why did god make a universe where a satan could flourish?

In other words, why God invented time? We can only guess. None of that is our choice. We are the fox and they are the dogs and the hunters. It is like a big wazzup duck. But with real suffering. It is also recursive because the more you wonder why this is the worse it gets instead of giving you any picture of reality. Some catch 22.

In other words, no creation is possible of any sort by anything except if the creation has a breaking point. The breaking point of God's creation was identified in Satan. Then it percolate through everything starting with people.

The only way To avoid it is to be un-created. This is achieved by unifying with Christ. If this is impossible then the breaking point continues.

 

[james bond]

How the Jewish and Christian faiths differ on who is Satan.

I am Satan. Just ask that "one tree" guy.

Satan is very real and a very powerful being. He will tempt you and you usually don't realize he's doing it, i.e. he loves to hide. People will blame God for their problems instead. The best way to get rid of him is to say, "Get lost Satan." In your case, "Get lost Crepitus Satan."

.

Satan is very real and a very powerful being.

.
- if that were true how is it they did not drown with everyone else, the great flood.

* the very reason for the flood as the example and meaning requiring the triumph over evil - necessary for admission to the Everlasting.

The answer is found in the reason for the flood. Satan had made the evil people so powerful that the innocent were in danger. Satan couldn't be destroyed by a Earthly catastrophe. He is a spiritual being who can't be destroyed so easily. He'll have to be defeated in a final war, but even then he won't be destroyed.

Not only that but with that intermarriage between the descendants of Seth and cain, the blood of Noah himself was contaminated. That is why the flood was only a half success and God decided not to do it again.

God is always successful in what he does. He killed everyone except for those chosen to start a new generation. Yet, Satan had uniformitarianism and evolution come in starting from the 1850s and now we are headed for another destruction as prophecized.

One can't go by blood. Instead, one should go by what is "God breathed" and that is Scripture. Scripture is inerrant, perfect, and true. Thus, we wait until the prophecies are fulfilled.

 

[james bond]

How the Jewish and Christian faiths differ on who is Satan.

I am Satan. Just ask that "one tree" guy.

Satan is very real and a very powerful being. He will tempt you and you usually don't realize he's doing it, i.e. he loves to hide. People will blame God for their problems instead. The best way to get rid of him is to say, "Get lost Satan." In your case, "Get lost Crepitus Satan."

.

Satan is very real and a very powerful being.

.
- if that were true how is it they did not drown with everyone else, the great flood.

* the very reason for the flood as the example and meaning requiring the triumph over evil - necessary for admission to the Everlasting.

The answer is found in the reason for the flood. Satan had made the evil people so powerful that the innocent were in danger. Satan couldn't be destroyed by a Earthly catastrophe. He is a spiritual being who can't be destroyed so easily. He'll have to be defeated in a final war, but even then he won't be destroyed.

.

He is a spiritual being who can't be destroyed so easily. He'll (they'll) have to be defeated in a final war, but even then he won't be destroyed.

.
if they were alive which they are not.

so sad, evil exists even if dormant till made alive by a deed causing harm, such as prevails through all beings early in life to then be spent for its duration to undo and triumph over the enormity of evil before their physiological existence expires for their freed spirits to be admitted to the Everlasting or otherwise perish as with its physical presence.

the parable of noah is the religion of antiquity as prescribed by those that brought about the great flood. one version or another.

Jeez, you have nothing to base your statements on .

 

[anotherlife]

How the Jewish and Christian faiths differ on who is Satan.

I am Satan. Just ask that "one tree" guy.

Satan is very real and a very powerful being. He will tempt you and you usually don't realize he's doing it, i.e. he loves to hide. People will blame God for their problems instead. The best way to get rid of him is to say, "Get lost Satan." In your case, "Get lost Crepitus Satan."

.

Satan is very real and a very powerful being.

.
- if that were true how is it they did not drown with everyone else, the great flood.

* the very reason for the flood as the example and meaning requiring the triumph over evil - necessary for admission to the Everlasting.

The answer is found in the reason for the flood. Satan had made the evil people so powerful that the innocent were in danger. Satan couldn't be destroyed by a Earthly catastrophe. He is a spiritual being who can't be destroyed so easily. He'll have to be defeated in a final war, but even then he won't be destroyed.

Not only that but with that intermarriage between the descendants of Seth and cain, the blood of Noah himself was contaminated. That is why the flood was only a half success and God decided not to do it again.

God is always successful in what he does. He killed everyone except for those chosen to start a new generation. Yet, Satan had uniformitarianism and evolution come in starting from the 1850s and now we are headed for another destruction as prophecized.

One can't go by blood. Instead, one should go by what is "God breathed" and that is Scripture. Scripture is inerrant, perfect, and true. Thus, we wait until the prophecies are fulfilled.

The force of satan is an active force. Not a reactive force. Therefore what you are saying is true but we may not get to reach it or to see it because that active pull. The apostles were able to neutralize it by using that authority that Christ maintained in them. Theoretically Churches of Christ could do the same and get us to see what the scriptures foretell and you mention. But the Churches got weakened by this very force.

 

[BreezeWood]

How the Jewish and Christian faiths differ on who is Satan.

I am Satan. Just ask that "one tree" guy.

Satan is very real and a very powerful being. He will tempt you and you usually don't realize he's doing it, i.e. he loves to hide. People will blame God for their problems instead. The best way to get rid of him is to say, "Get lost Satan." In your case, "Get lost Crepitus Satan."

.

Satan is very real and a very powerful being.

.
- if that were true how is it they did not drown with everyone else, the great flood.

* the very reason for the flood as the example and meaning requiring the triumph over evil - necessary for admission to the Everlasting.

The answer is found in the reason for the flood. Satan had made the evil people so powerful that the innocent were in danger. Satan couldn't be destroyed by a Earthly catastrophe. He is a spiritual being who can't be destroyed so easily. He'll have to be defeated in a final war, but even then he won't be destroyed.

.

He is a spiritual being who can't be destroyed so easily. He'll (they'll) have to be defeated in a final war, but even then he won't be destroyed.

.
if they were alive which they are not.

so sad, evil exists even if dormant till made alive by a deed causing harm, such as prevails through all beings early in life to then be spent for its duration to undo and triumph over the enormity of evil before their physiological existence expires for their freed spirits to be admitted to the Everlasting or otherwise perish as with its physical presence.

the parable of noah is the religion of antiquity as prescribed by those that brought about the great flood. one version or another.

Jeez, you have nothing to base your statements on .

.

the parable of noah is the religion of antiquity as prescribed by those that brought about the great flood. one version or another.

Jeez, you have nothing to base your statements on .

.
the religion of antiquity is spoken and never changing - the triumph of good vs evil.

you have only a single 10000 page book of forgeries and fallacies managed for a century to be written and finished 400 years after the event it was meant to portray and deliberately altered to satisfy an empire and its nefarious pursuits ...

yours is not nothing, within that book are indeed deep thoughts of wisdom that survived its tarnishing yet when viewed through its unrepentant history of persecution and victimization of the innocent the only conclusion to be made is to rectify the errors sown in its script during the 4th century or to remain blind of its intended purpose.

 

[james bond]

The force of satan is an active force. Not a reactive force. Therefore what you are saying is true but we may not get to reach it or to see it because that active pull. The apostles were able to neutralize it by using that authority that Christ maintained in them. Theoretically Churches of Christ could do the same and get us to see what the scriptures foretell and you mention. But the Churches got weakened by this very force.

I think in our lifetimes, we may see two or three prophecies the way things are going, but Satan has brought us coronavirus, so the world is focused on it instead of other worldly events.

A Jewish homeland will be established in Israel.

Before Christ returns, the Jews will be truly settled in their ancestral homeland. Jerusalem will once again be in Jewish hands. Many believe that this sign will come to pass soon as Israel is currently a Jewish state. Jerusalem, however, remains split between various groups. That said, with the United States finally moving its embassy to Jerusalem in order to line up with more than a decade of America’s official stance that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, Jerusalem is closer than ever to returning to Jewish hands.

Trump’s peace deal shows that moving US Embassy to Jerusalem was game-changer

Watching the historic agreement normalizing relations between Israel and two Arab states at the White House — an event neither I nor anyone else who has watched the Middle East closely for the pas…

nypost.com

The Gospel will be preached to the entire world.
Christ will not return until after the Gospel has been preached to the entire world. Many people see this prophecy as being nearly fulfilled, but there is potential that this has already come to pass. When the Bible was written, the phrase “the world” meant something different than it does today. When people speak of the entire world today, they are referring to the globe as a whole and interpret this prophecy as meaning that the Gospel must be preached in every country on Earth.

During the time when the prophecy was first written down, however, “the world” was used to refer not to every inch of land on Earth, but to the extent of the Roman Empire.

Worldwide communications will exist before the final two witnesses.

One of the better known tales of the end times is that God will send two final witnesses to preach the Gospel. The two witnesses will be killed, and their bodies will be seen by everyone in the world. In order for this to come true, the entire world must be interconnected and able to communicate with each other in extremely rapid fashion. Once again, the conditions required for this prophecy to be fulfilled are nearly complete. With the rise of the internet, social media and smartphones, it is easier than ever for people to relay information to each other. Events that happen on one side of the world can be broadcast to the other in milliseconds. The world is also becoming more and more hostile toward Christianity. Things have not yet boiled over, but it is easy to believe that the time of the two witnesses is fast approaching.

I can see the atheists going crazy with teaching the Gospel to the entire world. If Trump had won again, then it may have been different.

 

[HaShev]

It seems they all were competing for the job of adversary-hinderer and still are fighting to hinder their nation and the world.

 

[hobelim]

How the Jewish and Christian faiths differ on who is Satan.

Irrelevant. They are both wrong.

The Nachash is a clear metaphor for a human archetype easily understood by learning the Hebrew definition of the word, specifically a brazen practitioner of divination, sorcery, the magical arts, (what we now call mind control), the stars of the ancient world..

A person possessed by a demon was a person under the control of a nachash, Satan, the talking serpent of old.

Nothing whatever to do with an invisible disembodied entity or an evil inclination.

 

[anotherlife]

The force of satan is an active force. Not a reactive force. Therefore what you are saying is true but we may not get to reach it or to see it because that active pull. The apostles were able to neutralize it by using that authority that Christ maintained in them. Theoretically Churches of Christ could do the same and get us to see what the scriptures foretell and you mention. But the Churches got weakened by this very force.

I think in our lifetimes, we may see two or three prophecies the way things are going, but Satan has brought us coronavirus, so the world is focused on it instead of other worldly events.

A Jewish homeland will be established in Israel.

Before Christ returns, the Jews will be truly settled in their ancestral homeland. Jerusalem will once again be in Jewish hands. Many believe that this sign will come to pass soon as Israel is currently a Jewish state. Jerusalem, however, remains split between various groups. That said, with the United States finally moving its embassy to Jerusalem in order to line up with more than a decade of America’s official stance that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, Jerusalem is closer than ever to returning to Jewish hands.

Trump’s peace deal shows that moving US Embassy to Jerusalem was game-changer

Watching the historic agreement normalizing relations between Israel and two Arab states at the White House — an event neither I nor anyone else who has watched the Middle East closely for the pas…

nypost.com

The Gospel will be preached to the entire world.
Christ will not return until after the Gospel has been preached to the entire world. Many people see this prophecy as being nearly fulfilled, but there is potential that this has already come to pass. When the Bible was written, the phrase “the world” meant something different than it does today. When people speak of the entire world today, they are referring to the globe as a whole and interpret this prophecy as meaning that the Gospel must be preached in every country on Earth.

During the time when the prophecy was first written down, however, “the world” was used to refer not to every inch of land on Earth, but to the extent of the Roman Empire.

Worldwide communications will exist before the final two witnesses.

One of the better known tales of the end times is that God will send two final witnesses to preach the Gospel. The two witnesses will be killed, and their bodies will be seen by everyone in the world. In order for this to come true, the entire world must be interconnected and able to communicate with each other in extremely rapid fashion. Once again, the conditions required for this prophecy to be fulfilled are nearly complete. With the rise of the internet, social media and smartphones, it is easier than ever for people to relay information to each other. Events that happen on one side of the world can be broadcast to the other in milliseconds. The world is also becoming more and more hostile toward Christianity. Things have not yet boiled over, but it is easy to believe that the time of the two witnesses is fast approaching.

I can see the atheists going crazy with teaching the Gospel to the entire world. If Trump had won again, then it may have been different.

Excellent post! Indeed!

A very scary aspect too is that the statistics of demonic possessions is rising exponentially since about the 1970s.

And now every sales course includes trades of the devil which used to be only in medical schools, such as Neuro kinetic language, conversational hypnosis, rapid induction, conversion disorder, and so on. It is like the world has become one big operating table for the fancy scalpel of the devil.

 

[anotherlife]

How the Jewish and Christian faiths differ on who is Satan.

I am Satan. Just ask that "one tree" guy.

Satan is very real and a very powerful being. He will tempt you and you usually don't realize he's doing it, i.e. he loves to hide. People will blame God for their problems instead. The best way to get rid of him is to say, "Get lost Satan." In your case, "Get lost Crepitus Satan."

.

Satan is very real and a very powerful being.

.
- if that were true how is it they did not drown with everyone else, the great flood.

* the very reason for the flood as the example and meaning requiring the triumph over evil - necessary for admission to the Everlasting.

The answer is found in the reason for the flood. Satan had made the evil people so powerful that the innocent were in danger. Satan couldn't be destroyed by a Earthly catastrophe. He is a spiritual being who can't be destroyed so easily. He'll have to be defeated in a final war, but even then he won't be destroyed.

.

He is a spiritual being who can't be destroyed so easily. He'll (they'll) have to be defeated in a final war, but even then he won't be destroyed.

.
if they were alive which they are not.

so sad, evil exists even if dormant till made alive by a deed causing harm, such as prevails through all beings early in life to then be spent for its duration to undo and triumph over the enormity of evil before their physiological existence expires for their freed spirits to be admitted to the Everlasting or otherwise perish as with its physical presence.

the parable of noah is the religion of antiquity as prescribed by those that brought about the great flood. one version or another.

Jeez, you have nothing to base your statements on .

.

the parable of noah is the religion of antiquity as prescribed by those that brought about the great flood. one version or another.

Jeez, you have nothing to base your statements on .

.
the religion of antiquity is spoken and never changing - the triumph of good vs evil.

you have only a single 10000 page book of forgeries and fallacies managed for a century to be written and finished 400 years after the event it was meant to portray and deliberately altered to satisfy an empire and its nefarious pursuits ...

yours is not nothing, within that book are indeed deep thoughts of wisdom that survived its tarnishing yet when viewed through its unrepentant history of persecution and victimization of the innocent the only conclusion to be made is to rectify the errors sown in its script during the 4th century or to remain blind of its intended purpose.

Or ... To expose all of its satanic upside down interpretations, which power politics.

 

[BreezeWood]

How the Jewish and Christian faiths differ on who is Satan.

I am Satan. Just ask that "one tree" guy.

Satan is very real and a very powerful being. He will tempt you and you usually don't realize he's doing it, i.e. he loves to hide. People will blame God for their problems instead. The best way to get rid of him is to say, "Get lost Satan." In your case, "Get lost Crepitus Satan."

.

Satan is very real and a very powerful being.

.
- if that were true how is it they did not drown with everyone else, the great flood.

* the very reason for the flood as the example and meaning requiring the triumph over evil - necessary for admission to the Everlasting.

The answer is found in the reason for the flood. Satan had made the evil people so powerful that the innocent were in danger. Satan couldn't be destroyed by a Earthly catastrophe. He is a spiritual being who can't be destroyed so easily. He'll have to be defeated in a final war, but even then he won't be destroyed.

.

He is a spiritual being who can't be destroyed so easily. He'll (they'll) have to be defeated in a final war, but even then he won't be destroyed.

.
if they were alive which they are not.

so sad, evil exists even if dormant till made alive by a deed causing harm, such as prevails through all beings early in life to then be spent for its duration to undo and triumph over the enormity of evil before their physiological existence expires for their freed spirits to be admitted to the Everlasting or otherwise perish as with its physical presence.

the parable of noah is the religion of antiquity as prescribed by those that brought about the great flood. one version or another.

Jeez, you have nothing to base your statements on .

.

the parable of noah is the religion of antiquity as prescribed by those that brought about the great flood. one version or another.

Jeez, you have nothing to base your statements on .

.
the religion of antiquity is spoken and never changing - the triumph of good vs evil.

you have only a single 10000 page book of forgeries and fallacies managed for a century to be written and finished 400 years after the event it was meant to portray and deliberately altered to satisfy an empire and its nefarious pursuits ...

yours is not nothing, within that book are indeed deep thoughts of wisdom that survived its tarnishing yet when viewed through its unrepentant history of persecution and victimization of the innocent the only conclusion to be made is to rectify the errors sown in its script during the 4th century or to remain blind of its intended purpose.

Or ... To expose all of its satanic upside down interpretations, which power politics.

.

yours is not nothing, within that book are indeed deep thoughts of wisdom that survived its tarnishing yet when viewed through its unrepentant history of persecution and victimization of the innocent the only conclusion to be made is to rectify the errors sown in its script during the 4th century or to remain blind of its intended purpose.

Or ... To expose all of its satanic upside down interpretations, which power politics.

.
is there something stopping you - for the last 2000 years.

or like bond you are one of those that wrote it, the christian bible.

 

[anotherlife]

How the Jewish and Christian faiths differ on who is Satan.

I am Satan. Just ask that "one tree" guy.

Satan is very real and a very powerful being. He will tempt you and you usually don't realize he's doing it, i.e. he loves to hide. People will blame God for their problems instead. The best way to get rid of him is to say, "Get lost Satan." In your case, "Get lost Crepitus Satan."

.

Satan is very real and a very powerful being.

.
- if that were true how is it they did not drown with everyone else, the great flood.

* the very reason for the flood as the example and meaning requiring the triumph over evil - necessary for admission to the Everlasting.

The answer is found in the reason for the flood. Satan had made the evil people so powerful that the innocent were in danger. Satan couldn't be destroyed by a Earthly catastrophe. He is a spiritual being who can't be destroyed so easily. He'll have to be defeated in a final war, but even then he won't be destroyed.

.

He is a spiritual being who can't be destroyed so easily. He'll (they'll) have to be defeated in a final war, but even then he won't be destroyed.

.
if they were alive which they are not.

so sad, evil exists even if dormant till made alive by a deed causing harm, such as prevails through all beings early in life to then be spent for its duration to undo and triumph over the enormity of evil before their physiological existence expires for their freed spirits to be admitted to the Everlasting or otherwise perish as with its physical presence.

the parable of noah is the religion of antiquity as prescribed by those that brought about the great flood. one version or another.

Jeez, you have nothing to base your statements on .

.

the parable of noah is the religion of antiquity as prescribed by those that brought about the great flood. one version or another.

Jeez, you have nothing to base your statements on .

.
the religion of antiquity is spoken and never changing - the triumph of good vs evil.

you have only a single 10000 page book of forgeries and fallacies managed for a century to be written and finished 400 years after the event it was meant to portray and deliberately altered to satisfy an empire and its nefarious pursuits ...

yours is not nothing, within that book are indeed deep thoughts of wisdom that survived its tarnishing yet when viewed through its unrepentant history of persecution and victimization of the innocent the only conclusion to be made is to rectify the errors sown in its script during the 4th century or to remain blind of its intended purpose.

Or ... To expose all of its satanic upside down interpretations, which power politics.

.

yours is not nothing, within that book are indeed deep thoughts of wisdom that survived its tarnishing yet when viewed through its unrepentant history of persecution and victimization of the innocent the only conclusion to be made is to rectify the errors sown in its script during the 4th century or to remain blind of its intended purpose.

Or ... To expose all of its satanic upside down interpretations, which power politics.

.
is there something stopping you - for the last 2000 years.

or like bond you are one of those that wrote it, the christian bible.

What stops the exposition of the satanic interpretations is the lack of public belief, the lack of faith, the lack of respect, and the total ridicule that truly Christly people get attacked with daily, even before they would get a chance to say a word. But this too is written and explained in the new testament.

 

[tyroneweaver]