Zone1 *Sacrifice's Of Animals Again On The Jewish Mount!*

[irosie91]

Korban - Wikipedia

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to help you out of your confusion----you might
note that KORBAN does not involve HUMANS
in Judaism----that "burn" thing is often more like
barbecue---with some exceptions.

 

[Clyde 154]

Sorry bout that,


1. Seems like you hate Jews to me, and at same time believe Jewish Text.
2. You can't have it both ways.
3. There are ways of the spirit, and there are ways of the world, we all live in the world, not all in the spirit.
4. Some teachings are difficult to understand, and if we are of the spiritual church framely fit together then why does Christ need to come back?
5. If reality of the church is like you want to say it is, then everything's cool, the way it is.
6. Its sad how some believe that the church is spiritual, when it actually is carnal, has been from day one.
7. We live for the successful conclusion of the day.
8. Thats carnal, and not likely to change for a while.
9. Jesus says his sheep will not be surprised when he is about to return.
10. Get ready, wait for it.
11. Jesus is Jewish born of a Jewish women.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

I hate FALSE DOCTRINES.........period. I hate anyone that promotes division through ignorance and bigotry. I Love the truth as found in the Holy Scriptures. No one man is superior or inferior to another, all are equal in the eyes of the Lord who has no respect of person. The same rain falls on the just and the unjust.

You are correct, You can't have it 2 ways...............you are either supporting Truth or supporting a lie. Another Blind guide attempting to lead those who are willfully blind. In other words you can't see the forest for the trees. The Temple of God, the The Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of Christ........the church are all the same and spiritual in nature.....there is no literal kingdom today. The kingdom exists "within" you. As clearly stated by Christ Jesus. (Luke 17:21). Those looking for a literal kingdom are blinded by their own bigotry.

Biblical Israel was destroyed in totality by the Roman Empire in the 1st century and has not, AND STILL DOES NOT EXIST ON EARTH.......it will never exist again in a physical sense with Jesus as its king, God had promised to destroy Israel when they refused to live up to their covenant with God, the last straw was rejecting the Messiah, God's only begotten Son. Read and comprehend the warning of Jesus to the Jewish leaders concerning God's punishment upon Isarel because of the way they treated God's prophets. Jesus warned they would be destroyed within that same generation in the 1st century. (Matthew 23)

The lineage that stims from king David was cursed by God (Jesus legal lineage goes through that same line, thus its impossible for Him literally be a king on earth)......declaring that no person of that direct line would ever set in rule over God's kingdom again because of the evil nature of a direct descendent of David.........the last king of Isarel to set on David's throne was king Jeconiah who was so evil God promised that none of his descendent would ever be allowed to set on the throne of David, ever again in Jerusalem, (thus its impossible for Jesus to ever rule on any throne on earth as Jesus' legal line goes through Jeconiah and David. This curse is located in scripture (Jer. 22:24-30)

Jesus was indeed a Jew, born of a woman and born under the law. Your point? Being a Jew or a Gentile (Greek) does not matter to God, (Gal. 3:28-29) as the very purpose of God incarnate coming to earth as a JEW with a lineage that is demonstrably connected to Adam on one side His physical familiar lineage and King David on the other side was necessary to complete or Fulfill the Covenant God had with Biblical Israel.

The "legal" lineage of Jesus is listed in totality. Matthew's lineage lists Jesus' legal line that goes through that of His adopted Father Joseph. Read in context the introduction to the lineage of Jesus presented in Matthew which is a history of Jesus' legal familiar background.

The record in Matthew does not declare Joseph as Jesus' natural father.....but states, "Joseph married Mary who to whom Jesus was born". (Matthew 1:16). Some attempt to declare the Gospel accounts contradict one another, which is not true in the least Matthew presents the lineage from Joseph's family while the line of descent in the gospel of Luke goes through Mary's side of the familiar line.


The linage in Matthew proves the legal descent of Jesus which goes through king David. Indeed an adopted son has the legal right through his adopted father to claim that line as a personal line of descent. Its true that Jesus did not physically come through Joseph, the scriptures speak of Jesus as being a literal son of Joseph.

Jesus was the son of a carpenter (Unless you claim that God is a carpenter that can only point to Joseph who was a carpenter)-- Matthew 13:55 It was the right of the father (under Jewish law and tradition) to name his son (Luke 1:62-63) that right fell upon Jesus legal father Joseph. (Matthew 1:24-25)

Mary refers to Joseph as Jesus' father (Luke 2:48).

Thus the line of descent has found in Matthew goes through Jospeh as the legal father of Jesus, its purpose was to establish a direct link to king David and prove that Jesus had a legal right to David's throne. An adopted son still has the same rights as a physical son.

The historical lineage of Jesus listed in Luke is presented to prove that Jesus was a human, a direct descendent of the first man ADAM.

Matthew's account also proves that Jesus is a Son of Abraham and heir to the promise.....and to prove that Jesus was a Jew and a part of the Covenant made by God with Abraham. Abraham's seed would possess the gate of his enemies and be a blessing to the world (Genesis 22:15-18) .........not just a blessing to the JEWS as you would have everyone believe as a false doctrine, this truth is carried forth into the new testament (Gal. 3:16)

Jesus was a Son of David (legally...even though adopted) He was in line for the throne of David at His death. To David there was a promise made that his lineage would remain on the throne (2 Sam. 7:12, Ps. 89:3-4, Jer. 23:5). Jesus while on earth was in line to fulfill both of these promises. Be a blessing to the world, and set on the throne of David.

It is only through adoption that Jesus could fulfill both the promise to set on David's throne, while the curse placed on David's line remained in tact. Jesus' kingdom is a spiritual kingdom, not a physical kingdom and He is indeed sitting on the throne of king David in heaven at the right hand of God as we speak.......King of Kings and as the high priest of His church/kingdom and He continues to be a blessing to the world.

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. Good job throwing out the baby with the bath water.
2. Unless you understand that is in error, no need to proceed.
3. I have nothing for you.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[surada]

because G-D told him to. You overestimate the
quantity of animals----the levites and the priests
and the members of their families ate. The meat
could not be sold. The binding of Isaac represents
REJECTION OF HUMAN SACRIFICE. missed that
one in Sunday school? Human sacrifice was a
biggie in the world-----even the Greeks and
Romans engaged LOTS as did the people of
MESOPOTAMIA and EGYPT (aztecs too) ----and
then there was the AUTO DE FE and the Genocide
of Biafrans for the delight of the respective "god"

Jerusalem was a very small place . I know that the result of Isaac's sacrifice was a rejection of human sacrifice. But blood sacrifice seems to have continued.

Ancient Jerusalem: The Village, the Town, the City

Ancient Jerusalem made such an enormous impact on Western civilization that it’s hard to fathom how small its population really was.

www.biblicalarchaeology.org

 

[irosie91]

Jerusalem was a very small place . I know that the result of Isaac's sacrifice was a rejection of human sacrifice. But blood sacrifice seems to have continued.

Human sacrifice continued in most of the world.
It is not clear to me what the term "blood sacrifice"
means. The binding of Isaac did not take place
in Jerusalem-----it was more like where Ber
sheva is today. Isaac was not sacrificed---an
innocent ram was killed and ---probably cooked.
"sacrifice" is a synonym for butchering or killing
of a living organism.

 

[surada]

Human sacrifice continued in most of the world.
It is not clear to me what the term "blood sacrifice"
means. The binding of Isaac did not take place
in Jerusalem-----it was more like where Ber
sheva is today. Isaac was not sacrificed---an
innocent ram was killed and ---probably cooked.
"sacrifice" is a synonym for butchering or killing
of a living organism.

A whole ram for two people?

 

[Clyde 154]

Sorry bout that,

1. Good job throwing out the baby with the bath water.
2. Unless you understand that is in error, no need to proceed.
3. I have nothing for you.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

You have blinded me with all the scriptural documentation provided. Of course there is no need to proceed.......there is no refutation possible when the truth is presented by Book, Chapter and Verse. Of course you have "nothing" as no lie based upon bigotry can be supported by the actual truth found in scripture.

The doctrine of any righteous Christian begins and ends with the Word of God. "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God." -- Romans 10:17. Righteous doctrine does not stim from the opinions or traditions of men.......righteous doctrine comes via the truth presented in the word of God as ALL SCRIPTURE is inspired of God (literal translation: God's breath).

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: THAT THE MAN OF GOD MAY BE PERFECT, THROUGHLY FURNISHED UNTO ALL GOOD WORKS." -- 2 Tim. 3:16-17

Thus it is the righteous Christian's commanded duty to, "Preach the word, be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." -- 2 Tim. 4:2

God has no respect of person......the only difference between a righteous man and the unrighteous man, the righteous allows God to bend their will toward coming to the knowledge of the truth as found in the word of God, (God would have all men be saved by coming to the kowledge of the truth -- 1 Tim. 2:4),

the unrighteous attempt to mold the word of God around their personal interpretations of the word delivered by the prophets of God. Which is strictly forbidden, as the word of God has already been interpreted by the prophets who recorded the word of God as inspired by the Holy Spirit of God. There is no private interpretation. The scriptures interpret themselves via the context, subject matter and contextual truth maintained with integrity. (2 Peter 1:20-21)

The WORLD when baptized into Christ Jesus is joint heir to the promise made to Father Abraham (Gal. 3:28-29) There is no respect to race, culture, creed, gender.....etc., All are brothers and citizens in the Kingdom of God.

 

[BreezeWood]

You have blinded me with all the scriptural documentation provided. Of course there is no need to proceed.......there is no refutation possible when the truth is presented by Book, Chapter and Verse. Of course you have "nothing" as no lie based upon bigotry can be supported by the actual truth found in scripture.

The doctrine of any righteous Christian begins and ends with the Word of God. "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God." -- Romans 10:17. Righteous doctrine does not stim from the opinions or traditions of men.......righteous doctrine comes via the truth presented in the word of God as ALL SCRIPTURE is inspired of God (literal translation: God's breath).

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: THAT THE MAN OF GOD MAY BE PERFECT, THROUGHLY FURNISHED UNTO ALL GOOD WORKS." -- 2 Tim. 3:16-17

Thus it is the righteous Christian's commanded duty to, "Preach the word, be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine." -- 2 Tim. 4:2

God has no respect of person......the only difference between a righteous man and the unrighteous man, the righteous allows God to bend their will toward coming to the knowledge of the truth as found in the word of God, (God would have all men be saved by coming to the kowledge of the truth -- 1 Tim. 2:4),

the unrighteous attempt to mold the word of God around their personal interpretations of the word delivered by the prophets of God. Which is strictly forbidden, as the word of God has already been interpreted by the prophets who recorded the word of God as inspired by the Holy Spirit of God. There is no private interpretation. The scriptures interpret themselves via the context, subject matter and contextual truth maintained with integrity. (2 Peter 1:20-21)

The WORLD when baptized into Christ Jesus is joint heir to the promise made to Father Abraham (Gal. 3:28-29) There is no respect to race, culture, creed, gender.....etc., All are brothers and citizens in the Kingdom of God.

the unrighteous attempt to mold the word of God around their personal interpretations of the word delivered by the prophets of God. Which is strictly forbidden, as the word of God has already been interpreted by the prophets who recorded the word of God as inspired by the Holy Spirit of God. There is no private interpretation. The scriptures interpret themselves via the context, subject matter and contextual truth maintained with integrity. (2 Peter 1:20-21)

clyde, have you found yet the tablets you claim were etched in the heavens w/ 10 commandments ... are they still in your book.

 

[Clyde 154]

clyde, have you found yet the tablets you claim were etched in the heavens w/ 10 commandments ... are they still in your book.

The better question have you found the evidence required to prove the information concerning the 10 commandments located in the History of the Holy Bible is false? You have presented no evidence to prove your circular logic...i.e, your logical fallacy. The evidence exists in the form of the Holy Bible which is more evidence then you have presented.........Zero, null, nothing, notta.......notta a thing.

Logical Fallacy: As evidenced your fallacy is entirely based upon "ignorance". There is evidence of the existence of the 10 commandments and it has existed for over 3500 years. Only the ignorant can think they can dismiss this evidence with a personal opinion based upon a negative concept. Can you produce the physical evidence that you took a crap a decade ago? No? But we know that you did.......how? Because you are still crapping today. Until you can provide the required evidence that proves the scriptures wrong.......that prima facie evidence stands as truth until you present the objective evidence to the contrary. Prove to me that you are not "full of shit".

Fallacy - Wikipedia

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[surada]

The better question have you found the evidence required to prove the information concerning the 10 commandments located in the History of the Holy Bible is false? You have presented no evidence to prove your circular logic...i.e, your logical fallacy. The evidence exists in the form of the Holy Bible which is more evidence then you have presented.........Zero, null, nothing, notta.......notta a thing.

Logical Fallacy: As evidenced your fallacy is entirely based upon "ignorance". There is evidence of the existence of the 10 commandments and it has existed for over 3500 years. Only the ignorant can think they can dismiss this evidence with a personal opinion based upon a negative concept. Can you produce the physical evidence that you took a crap a decade ago? No? But we know that you did.......how? Because you are still crapping today. Until you can provide the required evidence that proves the scriptures wrong.......that prima facie evidence stands as truth until you present the objective evidence to the contrary. Prove to me that you are not "full of shit".

Fallacy - Wikipedia

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There were several legal codes that predate the 10 commandments by a thousand years.

 

[Clyde 154]

Anyone that attempts to argue over a law that is antiquated and not in effect.........does so out of ignorance to the actual content of the Holy Scriptures. Their argument would be like attempting declare that we in the US are still under the laws of Great Britian because of our historical ties with that nation. Any thus argument is more than "laughable".

Now the Truth about the TABLETS engraved in stone? The law as presented by God to the Nation of Biblical Israel applies only to the nation of Biblical Israel. The Law of Moses is contained on those stone tablets......that law was never intended for any other peoples on earth nor was the law delivered to Moses from God for the ancestors of Moses......the Law was applicable only to the peoples hearing the voice of Moses on the day he delivered the law........those people? The Nation of biblical Israel.

The Apostle explains in detail..........those who lived under the Law of Moses were in dept to that law in a literal fashion. The Apostle clearly states that the debt owed because of the Law of Moses (written on stone tablets) was canceled, Jesus nailed it to His sacrificial cross when He fulfilled the requirements of the law (to be born of a woman, born under the law, while living His entire physical life without sinning once.......the Son of Man, Jesus, fulfilled the literal requirements of the Law, Jesus then became the perfect sacrificial lamb of God to free the world of the literal requirements of the law. (Gol. 2:11-14)

As stated previously.........the LAW or the Law of Moses was a covenant that pertained only to the nation of Biblical Israel.....no gentile was bound by this law......as the scriptures state, no other nation on earth had such a covenant between God and man. Moses set forth this Law only to the people of Israel (Deut. 4:44) It was only for the people hearing the voice of Moses (Biblical Israel), not for their ancestors but them that had come out of the land of capacity (Egypt). Deut. 5

We are told in the holy scriptures that a new covenant between man and God would soon take place, the law of Moses was only temporary........Now today, one (Law) exists that was not written in stone but on the hearts of all the people who would be the servants of God. (Jer. 31:31-34) Christ Jesus fulfilled the law and ushered in a new law, the Law of Christ that exists not on stone, but within those who believe. (Luke 17:21)

 

[irosie91]

A whole ram for two people?

they were probably not alone. Just chopping
the poor ram up would be a big job. Abraham
was not just poor guy in a tent-----he had a very
large entourage

 

[surada]

they were probably not alone. Just chopping
the poor ram up would be a big job. Abraham
was not just poor guy in a tent-----he had a very
large entourage

I know. He even had his own armed militia.

 

[BreezeWood]

The better question have you found the evidence required to prove the information concerning the 10 commandments located in the History of the Holy Bible is false? You have presented no evidence to prove your circular logic...i.e, your logical fallacy. The evidence exists in the form of the Holy Bible which is more evidence then you have presented.........Zero, null, nothing, notta.......notta a thing.

Logical Fallacy: As evidenced your fallacy is entirely based upon "ignorance". There is evidence of the existence of the 10 commandments and it has existed for over 3500 years. Only the ignorant can think they can dismiss this evidence with a personal opinion based upon a negative concept. Can you produce the physical evidence that you took a crap a decade ago? No? But we know that you did.......how? Because you are still crapping today. Until you can provide the required evidence that proves the scriptures wrong.......that prima facie evidence stands as truth until you present the objective evidence to the contrary. Prove to me that you are not "full of shit".

Fallacy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

the etched tablets from the heavens never existed clyde - moses made them up ... as are all three desert religions.

their uninterrupted, recorded histories of persecution and victimization of the innocent is the reflection of the forgeries and fallacies included on nearly every page throughout their documents.

 

[irosie91]

the etched tablets from the heavens never existed clyde - moses made them up ... as are all three desert religions.

their uninterrupted, recorded histories of persecution and victimization of the innocent is the reflection of the forgeries and fallacies included on nearly every page throughout their documents.

breezie---you are embarrassing your loyal friend \ ME
now!! take a deep breath and be LOGICAL.
no matter what the behavior and actions
of the world's BIG THREE teams --that
behavior proves none of your allegations

 

[Clyde 154]

the etched tablets from the heavens never existed clyde - moses made them up ... as are all three desert religions.

their uninterrupted, recorded histories of persecution and victimization of the innocent is the reflection of the forgeries and fallacies included on nearly every page throughout their documents.

New name: Circle Jerk

 

[BreezeWood]

breezie---you are embarrassing your loyal friend \ ME
now!! take a deep breath and be LOGICAL.
no matter what the behavior and actions
of the world's BIG THREE teams --that
behavior proves none of your allegations

not sure i agree with you - irosie ...

All the people answered, “His blood is on us and on our children!” Matthew 27:24-25

sure, to say the exemplars were not about - you and your hubby (sorry) - is in itself antithetical to those, big three - and their very existence as they evolved. as a vehicle for the corrupt - paterfamilias.

1st century was the last gasp for the revitalization from the heavens, great flood - liberation theology, self determination - not everyone has joined that path. the path born through crucifixion. those three.

- i really do not understand the quote, not mine in thought in their book or believe anything - matthew, their awful motivation throughout - - but the jews crucified the wrong person and must be brought to justice for their wanton crime.

the religion of antiquity demands justice or there will be nothing for anyone.

 

[irosie91]

not sure i agree with you - irosie ...



sure, to say the exemplars were not about - you and your hubby (sorry) - is in itself antithetical to those, big three - and their very existence as they evolved. as a vehicle for the corrupt - paterfamilias.

1st century was the last gasp for the revitalization from the heavens, great flood - liberation theology, self determination - not everyone has joined that path. the path born through crucifixion. those three.

- i really do not understand the quote, not mine in thought in their book or believe anything - matthew, their awful motivation throughout - - but the jews crucified the wrong person and must be brought to justice for their wanton crime.

the religion of antiquity demands justice or there will be nothing for anyone.

oh---jews do not crucify. Crucifixion is a greek and roman thing. No matter-----I understand your attachment to jelly beans

 

[BreezeWood]

oh---jews do not crucify. Crucifixion is a greek and roman thing. No matter-----I understand your attachment to jelly beans

sorry, not an endearing response, rossie - howabout jews taking responsibility, their fingerprints all over the cookie jar ...

 

[BreezeWood]

New name: Circle Jerk

by the way clug - is it the pieces after moses destroyed the tablets you are looking for - good luck, super glue is your friend.