Russia suspends only remaining major nuclear treaty with US

[toomuchtime_]

MOSCOW -- Russian President Vladimir Putin declared Tuesday that Moscow was suspending its participation in the New START treaty — the last remaining nuclear arms control pact with the United States — sharply upping the ante amid tensions with Washington over the fighting in Ukraine.

Speaking in his state-of-the-nation address, Putin also said that Russia should stand ready to resume nuclear weapons tests if the U.S. does so, a move that would end a global ban on nuclear weapons tests in place since Cold War times.

Explaining his decision to suspend Russia's obligations under New START, Putin accused the U.S. and its NATO allies of openly declaring the goal of Russia's defeat in Ukraine.

“They want to inflict a ‘strategic defeat’ on us and try to get to our nuclear facilities at the same time," he said, declaring his decision to suspend Russia’s participation in the treaty. "In this context, I have to declare today that Russia is suspending its participation in the Treaty on Strategic Offensive Arms.”

New START's official name is The Treaty between the United States of America and the Russian Federation on Measures for the Further Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms.

Russia suspends only remaining major nuclear treaty with US

Russian President Vladimir Putin says that Moscow is suspending its participation in the last remaining nuclear arms control pact with the United States

abcnews.go.com

Biden visits Ukraine and Putin announces a new nuclear arms race, clear evidence that Putin understands Russia cannot win this war as long as the western democracies support Ukraine.

 

[pknopp]

We went back on our word concerning an earlier agreement. One can't really blame them.

 

[toomuchtime_]

We went back on our word concerning an earlier agreement. One can't really blame them.

What earlier agreement?

 

[pknopp]

What earlier agreement?

The Trilateral Process: The United States, Ukraine, Russia and Nuclear Weapons

 

[Rambunctious]

Start digging a shelter and stocking up on food and fuel because Biden wants a 3rd world war....
When Russia and China team up and they will look out....

 

[toomuchtime_]

The Trilateral Process: The United States, Ukraine, Russia and Nuclear Weapons

Otherwise known as the Budapest Memorandum, but there was no breach by western powers. In fact, it contained a pledge by Russia to recognize Ukraine's border and to never violate them, which Putin, of course, has violated. So I ask you again, what agreement do you think the western powers have violated?

 

[pknopp]

Otherwise known as the Budapest Memorandum, but there was no breach by western powers. In fact, it contained a pledge by Russia to recognize Ukraine's border and to never violate them, which Putin, of course, has violated. So I ask you again, what agreement do you think the western powers have violated?

There was also the agreement that NATO would not move further east.

 

[luiza]

dear Uncle P plays Qe7 with the double mate threat.

Relief for Piss Pants . But in the wrong way .

 

[toomuchtime_]

There was also the agreement that NATO would not move further east.

According to Gorbachev, there never was such an agreement.

Gorbachev replied: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”

Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says "No" | Brookings

Russian President Vladimir Putin has made it well known his antipathy towards NATO, claiming the Alliance took advantage of Russian weakness after the collapse of the Soviet Union in violation of promises allegedly made to Moscow by Western leaders. Steven Pifer argues that no such promises were...

www.brookings.edu

 

[MarathonMike]

How does this end well? What a disaster.

 

[pknopp]

According to Gorbachev, there never was such an agreement.

Gorbachev replied: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”

Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says "No" | Brookings

Russian President Vladimir Putin has made it well known his antipathy towards NATO, claiming the Alliance took advantage of Russian weakness after the collapse of the Soviet Union in violation of promises allegedly made to Moscow by Western leaders. Steven Pifer argues that no such promises were...

www.brookings.edu

Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance...............

If Ukraine joined NATO then military structures could advance.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance...............

If Ukraine joined NATO then military structures could advance.

Again, according to Gorbachev no such issue was ever discussed let alone agreed to. Clearly, you are promoting a false narrative. Why?

 

[pknopp]

Again, according to Gorbachev no such issue was ever discussed let alone agreed to. Clearly, you are promoting a false narrative. Why?

I quoted your Gorbachev quote.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I quoted your Gorbachev quote.

No, you didn't. Gorbachev said clearly that the issue of "NATO expansion" was never discussed. Why are you so eager to promote a false narrative?

 

[pknopp]

No, you didn't. Gorbachev said clearly that the issue of "NATO expansion" was never discussed. Why are you so eager to promote a false narrative?

Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance...............

 

[toomuchtime_]

Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance...............

That was, of course, in reference to the German Democratic Republic and according to Gorbachev all those terms were abided by, so why are you so eager to promote a false narrative and misrepresent what was said?

 

[pknopp]

That was, of course, in reference to the German Democratic Republic and according to Gorbachev all those terms were abided by, so why are you so eager to promote a false narrative and misrepresent what was said?

Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance...............

If Ukraine joined NATO then NATO's military structures can move in.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance...............

If Ukraine joined NATO then NATO's military structures can move in.

This is the full quote:

'Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”'

Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says "No" | Brookings

Russian President Vladimir Putin has made it well known his antipathy towards NATO, claiming the Alliance took advantage of Russian weakness after the collapse of the Soviet Union in violation of promises allegedly made to Moscow by Western leaders. Steven Pifer argues that no such promises were...

www.brookings.edu

Again, why are you so eager to promote a false narrative that you misrepresent what was actually said?

 

[pknopp]

This is the full quote:

'Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”'

Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says "No" | Brookings

Russian President Vladimir Putin has made it well known his antipathy towards NATO, claiming the Alliance took advantage of Russian weakness after the collapse of the Soviet Union in violation of promises allegedly made to Moscow by Western leaders. Steven Pifer argues that no such promises were...

www.brookings.edu

Again, why are you so eager to promote a false narrative that you misrepresent what was actually said?

Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance...............

If Ukraine joined NATO then NATO's military structure could advance. That was the simple agreement Putin tried to get. One can understand why.

 

[JWBooth]

US took the initiative and dropped out of every other arms treaty so, why the hell not?