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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...says-romney-once-said-coal-burning-plant-kil/

Romney accused Obama of stifling domestic production and said he would champion the oil and coal industries. Obama fired back that Romney hasn’t always been such a proponent of coal.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BpgLYryI8g]Romney in 2003: "I Will Not Create Jobs That Kill People" - YouTube[/ame]

Obama said Romney has changed his tune about coal, claiming that in Massachusetts he "stood in front of a coal plant and pointed at it and said, ‘This plant kills.’"

We rate his statement True.

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It's kind of hard to rate something one way if there is "video". Like when Romney said "Cut government workers he identified as "Police, Firemen and Teachers"." He wasn't kidding.

Or the 47% video that went on in great detail for 40 minutes.
 

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That may have won Ohio for Obama. Willard has a short memory.
 

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Leave it to RDean and Obama to talk out of context like they always do.

Still waiting for RDean the liar to support his other claims I have nailed him on...he's not returned to the thread (his own) since. He's a coward.

Romney called this plant a dirty plant because it apparently lacked some air pollution equipment.

Imagine that.

You can be after a plant that does not have the right emission controls and still be for coal.

But RDean is to stupid (not to mention having his head up Stephanie Cutter's ass....no wonder she always has that stupid smile on her face) to know that difference.

And JimH0.52 is his understudy.
 

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Leave it to RDean and Obama to talk out of context like they always do.

Still waiting for RDean the liar to support his other claims I have nailed him on...he's not returned to the thread (his own) since. He's a coward.

Romney called this plant a dirty plant because it apparently lacked some air pollution equipment.

Imagine that.

You can be after a plant that does not have the right emission controls and still be for coal.

But RDean is to stupid (not to mention having his head up Stephanie Cutter's ass....no wonder she always has that stupid smile on her face) to know that difference.

And JimH0.52 is his understudy.
I see you are still engaging in intellectual debate....:badgrin: Get a life.
 

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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...says-romney-once-said-coal-burning-plant-kil/

Romney accused Obama of stifling domestic production and said he would champion the oil and coal industries. Obama fired back that Romney hasn’t always been such a proponent of coal.

Romney in 2003: "I Will Not Create Jobs That Kill People" - YouTube

Obama said Romney has changed his tune about coal, claiming that in Massachusetts he "stood in front of a coal plant and pointed at it and said, ‘This plant kills.’"

We rate his statement True.

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It's kind of hard to rate something one way if there is "video". Like when Romney said "Cut government workers he identified as "Police, Firemen and Teachers"." He wasn't kidding.

Or the 47% video that went on in great detail for 40 minutes.
So, Rderp is in favor of pollution. Got it.

dumb ass...

from the OP link...
The Salem Harbor Power Station

Back on Feb. 5, 2003, Romney made several statements during a showdown over the future of the controversial, coal-burning Salem Harbor Power Station, in the Boston area.

A couple of years earlier, Massachusetts had passed new rules to reduce power plant emissions of nitrogen oxide, sulfur dioxide, carbon dioxide and mercury, to be phased in over several years. The mercury standard would not be finalized until 2004. As governor, Romney supported the rules, as he made clear repeatedly.

Massachusetts singled out its most egregious polluters as the "Filthy Five" plants, including Salem Harbor. Public health and environmental scientists at Harvard studied the emissions from two of the plants in 2000 and concluded that Salem Harbor was responsible for 53 deaths, 570 emergency room visits, 14,400 asthma attacks and 99,000 incidents of upper respiratory symptoms -- all per year.

Local residents and others who wanted to keep the Salem Harbor plant open (for jobs and tax revenues) disputed those figures, saying they resulted from unproven modeling. It turned out that the Harvard scientists had revised their figures in 2002, putting premature deaths from Salem Harbor’s pollution at 30 per year and reducing the number of emergency room visits to 400 and the asthma attacks at 2,000, according to the Boston Globe and the Boston Herald.

But the scientists stood by the broader conclusion -- that emissions from dirty power plants can be deadly. The Harvard methodology has now been widely replicated and is respected by health scientists, according to several environmental authorities we spoke with. Romney appeared to accept their findings, too.

The spat with Salem Harbor turned into a testy exchange after Salem Harbor’s then-owner, Pacific Gas and Electric, sought an extension until 2006 to comply with Massachusetts’ emissions rules -- and plant supporters showed up to to demand that the governor back off. Romney was adamant that the company comply by 2004 and appeared at a press conference near the plant to emphasize the point.
So, according to Politifact, you have a plant operating unsafely, and then-Gov. Romney was taking steps to bring it up to speed safety-wise, or shut it down... and Rderp disapproves.

How many dead people would you have preferred there by, Derpshit?
 
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Leave it to RDean and Obama to talk out of context like they always do.

Still waiting for RDean the liar to support his other claims I have nailed him on...he's not returned to the thread (his own) since. He's a coward.

Romney called this plant a dirty plant because it apparently lacked some air pollution equipment.

Imagine that.

You can be after a plant that does not have the right emission controls and still be for coal.

But RDean is to stupid (not to mention having his head up Stephanie Cutter's ass....no wonder she always has that stupid smile on her face) to know that difference.

And JimH0.52 is his understudy.
Other claims? Name one. Make it good.
 

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Leave it to RDean and Obama to talk out of context like they always do.

Still waiting for RDean the liar to support his other claims I have nailed him on...he's not returned to the thread (his own) since. He's a coward.

Romney called this plant a dirty plant because it apparently lacked some air pollution equipment.

Imagine that.

You can be after a plant that does not have the right emission controls and still be for coal.

But RDean is to stupid (not to mention having his head up Stephanie Cutter's ass....no wonder she always has that stupid smile on her face) to know that difference.

And JimH0.52 is his understudy.
Other claims? Name one. Make it good.
The mormon church spent 20 million fighting prop 8.
 
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...says-romney-once-said-coal-burning-plant-kil/

Romney accused Obama of stifling domestic production and said he would champion the oil and coal industries. Obama fired back that Romney hasn’t always been such a proponent of coal.

Romney in 2003: "I Will Not Create Jobs That Kill People" - YouTube

Obama said Romney has changed his tune about coal, claiming that in Massachusetts he "stood in front of a coal plant and pointed at it and said, ‘This plant kills.’"

We rate his statement True.

------------------------------------------

It's kind of hard to rate something one way if there is "video". Like when Romney said "Cut government workers he identified as "Police, Firemen and Teachers"." He wasn't kidding.

Or the 47% video that went on in great detail for 40 minutes.
So, Rderp is in favor of pollution. Got it.

dumb ass...

from the OP link...
The Salem Harbor Power Station

Back on Feb. 5, 2003, Romney made several statements during a showdown over the future of the controversial, coal-burning Salem Harbor Power Station, in the Boston area.

A couple of years earlier, Massachusetts had passed new rules to reduce power plant emissions of nitrogen oxide, sulfur dioxide, carbon dioxide and mercury, to be phased in over several years. The mercury standard would not be finalized until 2004. As governor, Romney supported the rules, as he made clear repeatedly.

Massachusetts singled out its most egregious polluters as the "Filthy Five" plants, including Salem Harbor. Public health and environmental scientists at Harvard studied the emissions from two of the plants in 2000 and concluded that Salem Harbor was responsible for 53 deaths, 570 emergency room visits, 14,400 asthma attacks and 99,000 incidents of upper respiratory symptoms -- all per year.

Local residents and others who wanted to keep the Salem Harbor plant open (for jobs and tax revenues) disputed those figures, saying they resulted from unproven modeling. It turned out that the Harvard scientists had revised their figures in 2002, putting premature deaths from Salem Harbor’s pollution at 30 per year and reducing the number of emergency room visits to 400 and the asthma attacks at 2,000, according to the Boston Globe and the Boston Herald.

But the scientists stood by the broader conclusion -- that emissions from dirty power plants can be deadly. The Harvard methodology has now been widely replicated and is respected by health scientists, according to several environmental authorities we spoke with. Romney appeared to accept their findings, too.

The spat with Salem Harbor turned into a testy exchange after Salem Harbor’s then-owner, Pacific Gas and Electric, sought an extension until 2006 to comply with Massachusetts’ emissions rules -- and plant supporters showed up to to demand that the governor back off. Romney was adamant that the company comply by 2004 and appeared at a press conference near the plant to emphasize the point.
So, according to Politifact, you have a plant operating unsafely, and then-Gov. Romney was taking steps to bring it up to speed safety-wise, or shut it down... and Rderp disapproves.

How many dead people would you have preferred there by, Derpshit?
Republicans are the ones against regulations. Not me.

You do know the Senate Republicans introduced a bill to abolish the EPA?
 

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"Clean Coal" is not clean and still pollutes heavily, idiots.

You'd have to be a mother fucking idiot to believe it is clean and doesn't pollute very much at all.

So which of you assholes are willing to quote me and prove you are a mother fucking idiot?
 

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"Clean Coal" is not clean and still pollutes heavily, idiots.

You'd have to be a mother fucking idiot to believe it is clean and doesn't pollute very much at all.

So which of you assholes are willing to quote me and prove you are a mother fucking idiot?
You really think that wind and solar can replace it?
 

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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...says-romney-once-said-coal-burning-plant-kil/

Romney accused Obama of stifling domestic production and said he would champion the oil and coal industries. Obama fired back that Romney hasn’t always been such a proponent of coal.

Romney in 2003: "I Will Not Create Jobs That Kill People" - YouTube

Obama said Romney has changed his tune about coal, claiming that in Massachusetts he "stood in front of a coal plant and pointed at it and said, ‘This plant kills.’"

We rate his statement True.

------------------------------------------

It's kind of hard to rate something one way if there is "video". Like when Romney said "Cut government workers he identified as "Police, Firemen and Teachers"." He wasn't kidding.

Or the 47% video that went on in great detail for 40 minutes.
So, Rderp is in favor of pollution. Got it.

dumb ass...

from the OP link...
The Salem Harbor Power Station

Back on Feb. 5, 2003, Romney made several statements during a showdown over the future of the controversial, coal-burning Salem Harbor Power Station, in the Boston area.

A couple of years earlier, Massachusetts had passed new rules to reduce power plant emissions of nitrogen oxide, sulfur dioxide, carbon dioxide and mercury, to be phased in over several years. The mercury standard would not be finalized until 2004. As governor, Romney supported the rules, as he made clear repeatedly.

Massachusetts singled out its most egregious polluters as the "Filthy Five" plants, including Salem Harbor. Public health and environmental scientists at Harvard studied the emissions from two of the plants in 2000 and concluded that Salem Harbor was responsible for 53 deaths, 570 emergency room visits, 14,400 asthma attacks and 99,000 incidents of upper respiratory symptoms -- all per year.

Local residents and others who wanted to keep the Salem Harbor plant open (for jobs and tax revenues) disputed those figures, saying they resulted from unproven modeling. It turned out that the Harvard scientists had revised their figures in 2002, putting premature deaths from Salem Harbor’s pollution at 30 per year and reducing the number of emergency room visits to 400 and the asthma attacks at 2,000, according to the Boston Globe and the Boston Herald.

But the scientists stood by the broader conclusion -- that emissions from dirty power plants can be deadly. The Harvard methodology has now been widely replicated and is respected by health scientists, according to several environmental authorities we spoke with. Romney appeared to accept their findings, too.

The spat with Salem Harbor turned into a testy exchange after Salem Harbor’s then-owner, Pacific Gas and Electric, sought an extension until 2006 to comply with Massachusetts’ emissions rules -- and plant supporters showed up to to demand that the governor back off. Romney was adamant that the company comply by 2004 and appeared at a press conference near the plant to emphasize the point.
So, according to Politifact, you have a plant operating unsafely, and then-Gov. Romney was taking steps to bring it up to speed safety-wise, or shut it down... and Rderp disapproves.

How many dead people would you have preferred there by, Derpshit?
Republicans are the ones against regulations. Not me.

You do know the Senate Republicans introduced a bill to abolish the EPA?
Strawman, you asswipe.

You can't sustain your argument.
 

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PolitiFact | Obama says Romney once said a coal-burning plant

Romney accused Obama of stifling domestic production and said he would champion the oil and coal industries. Obama fired back that Romney hasn’t always been such a proponent of coal.

Romney in 2003: "I Will Not Create Jobs That Kill People" - YouTube

Obama said Romney has changed his tune about coal, claiming that in Massachusetts he "stood in front of a coal plant and pointed at it and said, ‘This plant kills.’"

We rate his statement True.

------------------------------------------

It's kind of hard to rate something one way if there is "video". Like when Romney said "Cut government workers he identified as "Police, Firemen and Teachers"." He wasn't kidding.

Or the 47% video that went on in great detail for 40 minutes.
Just another "rdean" half-wit attempt at perpetuating a half-truth.

In the simple mind of "rdean", all coal-fired power plants are created equal.

Nothing to see here.
 

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"Clean Coal" is not clean and still pollutes heavily, idiots.

You'd have to be a mother fucking idiot to believe it is clean and doesn't pollute very much at all.

So which of you assholes are willing to quote me and prove you are a mother fucking idiot?
Are you talking about green house gas or sulfur emmissions ?

Why don't you make a sensible statement and not look like the MFI you are so worried about ?
 
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Leave it to RDean and Obama to talk out of context like they always do.

Still waiting for RDean the liar to support his other claims I have nailed him on...he's not returned to the thread (his own) since. He's a coward.

Romney called this plant a dirty plant because it apparently lacked some air pollution equipment.

Imagine that.

You can be after a plant that does not have the right emission controls and still be for coal.

But RDean is to stupid (not to mention having his head up Stephanie Cutter's ass....no wonder she always has that stupid smile on her face) to know that difference.

And JimH0.52 is his understudy.
Other claims? Name one. Make it good.
The mormon church spent 20 million fighting prop 8.
There have been various estimates of monies donated to the "Yes on 8" campaign by LDS Church members, ranging from $14 to $20 million. No firm figures are available because the State of California does not request or record the religion of donors.

Mormonism and politics/California Proposition 8 - FAIRMormon

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclie...fc9cab2f77850f&bpcl=35440803&biw=1629&bih=879

Mormon Church Tries to Resurrect Its Image, Spends Millions to Repair Prop 8 Damage - salt lake city lawyers and other legal services - backpage.com

There have been reports that the Mormon Church has lost tens of thousands of members in California and other Western states over Prop 8, and that many highly educated Mormons have resigned from the Church. I have also heard that Mormon Church buildings are closing.

This hasn't happened since the 1970's, when they led the national opposition to another social justice issue, the Equal Rights Amendment. The ERA would have expanded the rights of women 35 years ago, when they were fighting for equal recognition under the law.

The Mormon Church's image also suffered greatly in the 1960's because of its long-held practice of vilifying African Americans and not allowing them Church membership. It wasn't until the United States Justice Department threatened a Federal lawsuit, that they relented and allowed African Americans to join the priesthood. The Mormon Church has faced image problems before, but not to this extent.

Same links I posted before.

Next!
 

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If Obama had been standing at the plant and made that statement, and if Romney had made the claim about Obama's position, then PolitiFact would have rated the claim half true. They would have pointed out that Obama was speaking specifically about that plant, based on known facts about that plant, and was not speaking of coal in general.
 

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Other claims? Name one. Make it good.
The mormon church spent 20 million fighting prop 8.
There have been various estimates of monies donated to the "Yes on 8" campaign by LDS Church members, ranging from $14 to $20 million. No firm figures are available because the State of California does not request or record the religion of donors.

Mormonism and politics/California Proposition 8 - FAIRMormon

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclie...fc9cab2f77850f&bpcl=35440803&biw=1629&bih=879

Mormon Church Tries to Resurrect Its Image, Spends Millions to Repair Prop 8 Damage - salt lake city lawyers and other legal services - backpage.com

There have been reports that the Mormon Church has lost tens of thousands of members in California and other Western states over Prop 8, and that many highly educated Mormons have resigned from the Church. I have also heard that Mormon Church buildings are closing.

This hasn't happened since the 1970's, when they led the national opposition to another social justice issue, the Equal Rights Amendment. The ERA would have expanded the rights of women 35 years ago, when they were fighting for equal recognition under the law.

The Mormon Church's image also suffered greatly in the 1960's because of its long-held practice of vilifying African Americans and not allowing them Church membership. It wasn't until the United States Justice Department threatened a Federal lawsuit, that they relented and allowed African Americans to join the priesthood. The Mormon Church has faced image problems before, but not to this extent.

Same links I posted before.

Next!
Sorry dickweed...you said he mormon church...not members of the mormon church.

Big difference...big lie.

BTW: what does the membership change and image of the church have to do with anything that I stated ? Answer: nothing. Does this just give you that Chris Matthews tingle down your leg when you post a lot of irrelevant crap ?
 
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"Clean Coal" is not clean and still pollutes heavily, idiots.

You'd have to be a mother fucking idiot to believe it is clean and doesn't pollute very much at all.

So which of you assholes are willing to quote me and prove you are a mother fucking idiot?
I am a retired power plant engineer who worked at both nuclear power plants and coal-fired power plants.

YOU are the "mother fucking idiot". You know LESS THAN NOTHING about coal-fired power plants.

Stay in your own lane, "Skeeter". :eusa_hand:
 

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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...says-romney-once-said-coal-burning-plant-kil/

Romney accused Obama of stifling domestic production and said he would champion the oil and coal industries. Obama fired back that Romney hasn’t always been such a proponent of coal.

Romney in 2003: "I Will Not Create Jobs That Kill People" - YouTube

Obama said Romney has changed his tune about coal, claiming that in Massachusetts he "stood in front of a coal plant and pointed at it and said, ‘This plant kills.’"

We rate his statement True.

------------------------------------------

It's kind of hard to rate something one way if there is "video". Like when Romney said "Cut government workers he identified as "Police, Firemen and Teachers"." He wasn't kidding.

Or the 47% video that went on in great detail for 40 minutes.
Wait, he was taking about "that plant needs to be cleaned up and they were fined for not following regulations" he was saying they kill people because they were not operating with state guidelines. Not because it was a coal plant.

I find it interesting as well that PG&E was also the same company that Erin Brockovich took part in suing and won the largest settlement ever paid in a direct action lawsuit in US history. Over 300 million dollars.

PG&E's record and Romney saying the plant was supposed to be cleaned up before but they did not comply. Did that have to do with coal or this particular company's horrible standards??
 
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So, Rderp is in favor of pollution. Got it.

dumb ass...

from the OP link...


So, according to Politifact, you have a plant operating unsafely, and then-Gov. Romney was taking steps to bring it up to speed safety-wise, or shut it down... and Rderp disapproves.

How many dead people would you have preferred there by, Derpshit?
Republicans are the ones against regulations. Not me.

You do know the Senate Republicans introduced a bill to abolish the EPA?
Strawman, you asswipe.

You can't sustain your argument.
You fucking idiot. You don't know how to use Google do you?

I thought you were pretty damn stupid, but now you have proven it to everyone.

Go to "Google" and do a search on "senate republicans propose to abolish the epa" and pick your "source" because so many have written about it. If you have any more problems, go to Youtube and ask the same question about Republican Presidential Nominees.

We are going to educate you if we have to ram it down your throat sideways. Stupid is a state we can cure. We do it with knowledge and education.
 

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