robert e lee statue removed

[Correll]

black are thre ones judging these dayds. racist;.

Nope. White libs are teh ones really driving this imo. Or at least just as much a part of it as the lefty blacks.

 

[horselightning]

Nope. White libs are teh ones really driving this imo. Or at least just as much a part of it as the lefty blacks.

yep all the libs. manhj people still on here arguing over this statue. my my

 

[alang1216]

ok, so the point of that question about what if the Confederacy never rebelled,

Sorry you're not satisfied with my answer but it was a 'if pigs had wings...' type of hypothetical.

So, really the standard is very vague.

I don't disagree. I can't give you an algorithm, it is more akin to what was said about pornography, impossible to define but you know it when you see it.

This is about demonstrating the political power of the Left, over that of Whites, especially conservative or even non-liberal whites.

Ever ask yourself why the country and the world has moved left for the past 200 years? Maybe you are you just an out-of-step anachronism?

 

[Correll]

Sorry you're not satisfied with my answer but it was a 'if pigs had wings...' type of hypothetical.

I'm fine with your answer. You were claiming that it was all about the fact that the Confederacy rebelled, and when presented with a scenario where they did NOT rebel, we discovered that that was not true.

Now, the next thing question is, if that is not your motivation, what is?

I don't disagree. I can't give you an algorithm, it is more akin to what was said about pornography, impossible to define but you know it when you see it.

Got it. So whites are "free" to celebrate their heritage and culture, and they cannot know if what they are doing it ok, until libs decide, often long after teh fact, that they have a problem with it, and suddenly the whites in question are "Bad" and will be attacked and suppressed.


And that is what "tolerance" and "diversity" and "multiculturalism" means.

This will be especially fun, when libs finally pass those "hate speech" laws, and the attacks, will take teh form of arrests.

Ever ask yourself why the country and the world has moved left for the past 200 years? Maybe you are you just an out-of-step anachronism?

Oh, without a doubt, I am "out of step". Question for you, is it possible for a society (or the world) to go too far to the left and what does that look like?


Are you implying that the reason you support this discrimination, is because you think that "going left" is the same as "progress" and thus always "good"?

 

[alang1216]

I'm fine with your answer. You were claiming that it was all about the fact that the Confederacy rebelled,

I believe I said their rebellion was one of several factors.

and when presented with a scenario where they did NOT rebel, we discovered that that was not true.

Google 'hypothetical'.

Got it. So whites are "free" to celebrate their heritage and culture, and they cannot know if what they are doing it ok, until libs decide, often long after teh fact, that they have a problem with it, and suddenly the whites in question are "Bad" and will be attacked and suppressed.

I'd bet the Blacks in VA were never OK with a Lee statue on public land so 'sudden' doesn't apply. It just took a very long time to change Virginia's power structure.

And that is what "tolerance" and "diversity" and "multiculturalism" means.

These things work both ways. Lee's statue was erected at a time where there was no "tolerance". Had that been considered there would be no issues today.

Oh, without a doubt, I am "out of step". Question for you, is it possible for a society (or the world) to go too far to the left and what does that look like?

Certainly. The French Revolution was pretty ugly.

Are you implying that the reason you support this discrimination, is because you think that "going left" is the same as "progress" and thus always "good"?

So far it has be very good. Just ask anyone who is gay, non-White, female, poor, or disabled.

 

[Correll]

I believe I said their rebellion was one of several factors.


Google 'hypothetical'.

Yes. It was a good hypothetical and your answer was very revealing.

I'd bet the Blacks in VA were never OK with a Lee statue on public land so 'sudden' doesn't apply. It just took a very long time to change Virginia's power structure.

I would take that bet. I'd bet that during the time of Jim Crow, that the blacks of the time, facing ACTUAL RACIST DISCRIMINATION, that a statue in the park, meant less than nothing to them.

These things work both ways. Lee's statue was erected at a time where there was no "tolerance". Had that been considered there would be no issues today.

So, your argument is not that I am wrong, but that it is just like it was during Jim Crow?


Ok, we are getting somewhere. I agree with you on that. Question is, why are you supporting behavior like that? I thought the goal was equality and tolerance and living together happily.

Certainly. The French Revolution was pretty ugly.

Ok. Good. And I agree. So, just citing the leftward trend of the world, is not really a reasonable argument then, is it?

So far it has be very good. Just ask anyone who is gay, non-White, female, poor, or disabled.

My position is that we have gone too far. That attempts to make up for past, sometimes LONG PAST discrimination against "traditionally disadvantaged groups" has grown to the point of, NOT equality, but of actual "reverse discrimination" against whites, especially straight white males.

You say, "ask anyone who is...", but, does the voice of the white male count AT ALL?


Note, I am NOT asking for supremacy, just equal treatment. So, don't get confused by your conditioned response.

 

[alang1216]

Ok, we are getting somewhere. I agree with you on that. Question is, why are you supporting behavior like that? I thought the goal was equality and tolerance and living together happily.

If I steal your car and I get caught, would you accept the argument that since I have the car now we should just leave it with me so we can live together happily?

Ok. Good. And I agree. So, just citing the leftward trend of the world, is not really a reasonable argument then, is it?

Exactly wrong. I only agreed that anything can be taken to the extreme and that is a bad thing.

My position is that we have gone too far. That attempts to make up for past, sometimes LONG PAST discrimination against "traditionally disadvantaged groups" has grown to the point of, NOT equality, but of actual "reverse discrimination" against whites, especially straight white males.

You say, "ask anyone who is...", but, does the voice of the white male count AT ALL?

Note, I am NOT asking for supremacy, just equal treatment. So, don't get confused by your conditioned response.

So the Whites that benefited from their position owe nothing to those that supplied that benefit? See above.

 

[Correll]

If I steal your car and I get caught, would you accept the argument that since I have the car now we should just leave it with me so we can live together happily?

A statue standing in the park is not me possessing and benefitting from stolen property.

Are you admitting that "living together peacefully" was never the goal, but something else, and if so, what is?

Exactly wrong. I only agreed that anything can be taken to the extreme and that is a bad thing.

You were pointing to the fact that we have been going in that direction in the past, as though that means we should continue going in that direction.

You also acknowledge that it is possible to go too far.

My response to you, is that we have gone too far, and are continuing to go too far. We have moved past "equality" and have moved on to "payback" or "anti-white discrimination"

So the Whites that benefited from their position owe nothing to those that supplied that benefit? See above.

So, I make the claim that we have reached a point past "equality" to "anti-white discrimination" and instead of disagreeing with me, you ask a question that seems to be defending the idea and practice of anti-white discrimination.


Is that your position?


That "Yes, this is part of the policy of anti-white discrimination, that our leftward trend has led to, and that is why I support it."?

 

[alang1216]

A statue standing in the park is not me possessing and benefitting from stolen property.

A statue of a thief would be a benefit to that thief.

Are you admitting that "living together peacefully" was never the goal, but something else, and if so, what is?

Living together peacefully was always a goal. Mutual respect is another.

You were pointing to the fact that we have been going in that direction in the past, as though that means we should continue going in that direction.

You also acknowledge that it is possible to go too far.

Agreed.

My response to you, is that we have gone too far, and are continuing to go too far. We have moved past "equality" and have moved on to "payback" or "anti-white discrimination"

Your opinion is duly noted.

So, I make the claim that we have reached a point past "equality" to "anti-white discrimination" and instead of disagreeing with me, you ask a question that seems to be defending the idea and practice of anti-white discrimination.

Again, you are welcome make any claims you choose, just don't expect them to be shared by me.

 

[Correll]

A statue of a thief would be a benefit to that thief.

YOu harped on the rebellion, like it was such an important thing. THen you admitted, that no, it was a more general, vague thing. Then you claimed it was some type of returning of stolen property, and now you are just making up shit.

Living together peacefully was always a goal. Mutual respect is another.

Attacking someone for vague ill defined reasons, is not mutual respect. It is active disrespect.

Agreed.


Your opinion is duly noted.


Again, you are welcome make any claims you choose, just don't expect them to be shared by me.

I am disappointed to see you walking back your admission and taking up standard lib stonewalling.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Statues of Father Serra are being removed in California. They will be tearing down the Missions before too long.

 

[alang1216]

YOu harped on the rebellion, like it was such an important thing. THen you admitted, that no, it was a more general, vague thing. Then you claimed it was some type of returning of stolen property, and now you are just making up shit.

Being a traitor is an important thing. Being a supporter of slavery is also an important thing. Being at least partly responsible hundreds of thousands of deaths is also an important thing. Being a symbol of White Supremacy, Jim Crow, lynchings, and the KKK are also important things. Which part of these points are vague?

 

[Sinajuavi]

Robert E. Lee statue removed in Virginia

The largest remaining Confederate statue in the United States, depicting Civil War General Robert E. Lee, was taken down in Richmond, Virginia. The governor ordered its removal last year, but the effort was stalled until the Virginia Supreme Court decided to remove it last week.

www.nbcnews.com

the chopped it up ewe. blacks destroying history still.

Wrong, racist. I'm white and was active in having ConfedeRAT statues removed in Virginia. Don't like it? I certainly don't care what racists think.

History is written in books, which you likely do not read. History is not a statue memorializing a racist traitor who fought to keep people enslaved.

If you knew anything at all about history you might know that. But I suspect everything you know you learned from Faux News.

 

[Sinajuavi]

Statues of Father Serra are being removed in California. They will be tearing down the Missions before too long.

Those missions were in many instances equivalent to concentration camps. Today's white right of course couldn't care less about the suffering caused by European imperialists and racists. All that matters is that you feel good about being a backward ignorant bigoted kkkracker.

The days are gone when your racism would be acceptable in public or in the mainstream. Go somewhere in private, crawl into the corner and cry.

 

[Sinajuavi]

All democrats now and in US history, including the current dems in congress, Obama, Biden, etc., should be removed from all positions of authority, should lose any jobs and should be expunged from history because of the democrat connections to slavery and Jim Crow.
This in standing with current democrat illogic as all context is disallowed.

You wouldn't know logic if it bit you on the butt.

Treason such as you express is unacceptable. You are not a member in good standing of this free democratic society.

Move to Russia where the governance is more to your liking, fascist.

 

[Sinajuavi]

MarcATL Yeah right that's their goal, to "preserve" the history they are destroying.

History is not constituted by statues. BOOKS are where you find history. Read any books lately?

And so, your comment is idiotic and nonsensical, as is everything that comes from the white right reactionary scared bigoted fascist entitled racists now creating all this noise pollution with their crying and wailing.

 

[Correll]

Being a traitor is an important thing. Being a supporter of slavery is also an important thing. Being at least partly responsible hundreds of thousands of deaths is also an important thing. Being a symbol of White Supremacy, Jim Crow, lynchings, and the KKK are also important things. Which part of these points are vague?

All of them, because NONE of them are the real reason. Because ALL of them can be removed and your position would be the same.

 

[Sinajuavi]

Gov Blackface taking a stand against the democrat Party's racist past

Can you imagine the reaction if this were Donald Trump in blackface?

You are a liar. But then all whiteright supporters of the Orange Fascist are steeped in lies. And really how much do all of you trashing any anti-racist movement care about racism? All you care about is your "right" to continue to be drooling racist reprobates dragging the country down as you've always done.

Truly scum. Get out.

 

[Sinajuavi]

All of them, because NONE of them are the real reason. Because ALL of them can be removed and your position would be the same.

Oh and what is the "real" reason we don't want Jim Crow monuments looming over us in every town? Do elaborate, eh?

You white rights never make any sense.

 

[Correll]

History is not constituted by statues. BOOKS are where you find history. Read any books lately?

And so, your comment is idiotic and nonsensical, as is everything that comes from the white right reactionary scared bigoted fascist entitled racists now creating all this noise pollution with their crying and wailing.

You said "wacist", like a retarded child.

Calling someone a name is not an argument.