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Please stay on topic going forward and no flaming
 

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It gets old reading the threads made by racists claiming to be concerned about issues affecting blacks. We have a Black Death thread by a racist lying about his concern about killings in the inner city. We have another racist who has determined she knows that racism is not a reason why blacks are in poverty. We have another racist who started calling himself debating me about racism, but that turned into the usual racist righ lecture about black crime.

We’ve heard all the so-called “politically incorrect” comments telling us that the problems plaguing black communities are self-inflicted and include: unmarried births, fatherless homes, refusal to take education seriously, rap music, worship of thug culture, genetic inferiority, low IQ, making up racism to get paid, the victim mentality, waiting for a handout, government dependence, special rights and whatever else. All of this is incorrect. Let us genuinely step out of the box. It is time to get honest about leaving the so-called plantation. Other blacks have tried to be polite and politically correct about this. I won’t be. The root cause of the problems blacks face today is white racism. Don’t conflate what you just read. I said white racism, not white people. Every white person is NOT a racist.

Yes, that’s what I said. I am not waiting for whites to give me anything free. I do not have some so-called victim mentality whereby I blame whites for my failings. If I have failed at things, I failed on my own. It is time some whites stopped the juvenile name-calling and tightened up. The reality of racism is not about failing. It is about denial—the denial of opportunity. The failure lies in those who have chosen to fall for what white race pimps have told them. White racism IS the root cause; it is the fundamental reason for the occurrence of problems in the black community.

According to every definition, personal or individual responsibility is the idea that human beings create their own life experiences by their choices. I say this because it is apparent that today, some whites do not seem to understand what it means. The racist subculture is part of a 400-year pattern of behavior that has been consistent, and it is based on a belief in superiority. Our problems are primarily due to choices whites in power have made. Whites chose to deny blacks equal rights by various American laws for nearly 200 years, and some still choose to reject complete equality today. Those who like to preach to people about taking personal responsibility should consider these inconvenient truths.

We know blacks were denied constitutional rights such as citizenship, habeas corpus, unreasonable search, seizure, and freedom itself, which deprived blacks of every opportunity we were supposed to be granted by law. The suburbs were built with guaranteed government loans given primarily to whites. We know that black communities were redlined, making loans for blacks trying to buy homes in those neighborhoods risks banks refused to take. We know that federal housing policy created the slums and ghettos. City zoning policy created black communities divided by freeways and close to industries spewing poisonous waste. We know that government policy consistently underfunds schools in the black community. In the 21st century, we know that a process called retail redlining exists whereby retail businesses refuse to go into black communities. Today, political donors from outside the black community have undue influence relative to city policies, and that influence has negatively impacted black communities.

After President Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act, some believe that Jim Crow magically disappeared even as we are today looking at lawmakers who were born and raised during Jim Crow. Books such as “Color of Law" “White Rage" “American Apartheid" “The New Jim Crow" “A Colony Within A Nation,” or “Racism without Racists,” provide examples of the great pains the American government took to establish and maintain a system based on white racial supremacy. They detail the toll such policies have inflicted upon blacks and all other people of color in America. Countless studies document the adverse effects of purposefully designed racially exclusionary American public policy on black communities. Despite the findings, anyone concluding the cause is white racism will get a person ridiculed by some members of the white community. In addition, one must battle people of color who have been shamed into adopting right-wing opinions about some kind of imaginary victim mentality.

To repeat a phrase from Funkadelic, “You can’t know what’s going on if you seek.” We are now into the third decade of the 21st century; therefore, it has become time for some whites to understand they are not experts on the problems in the black community, the causes of those problems, or the solutions.

In the movie “The Shawshank Redemption,” Andy Dufrane went to the warden after listening to a story from a prisoner who got transferred into Shawshank and had been a cellmate with the man who committed the murders that got Dufrane sent to prison. Dufrane repeated the story to the Warden. After listening, Warden Norton knew that Dufrane was telling the truth. Instead of letting Dufrane get a new trial, the Warden started making excuses for why he could not do it. The denials were because Warden Norton was being paid under the table as he ran a contracting scam that included laundering money using Dufrane as an accountant. After listening to the many excuses from Norton, Dufrane asked the question, “Are you always so obtuse?”

This is a perfect analogy to describe the relationship between many in the white community and us as black people. History is documented. There really can be no denial of what has gone on. Despite the facts, some whites believe these things have no relationship to how and why things are as they are now. Like Norton, they have lived in a system that has afforded them wealth and do not want it changed. There are some whites, regardless of party or ideology, who refuse to take a realistic look at the issue of race. It seems people want to solve race-based problems without looking at race to solve them. As mentioned earlier, I do not attest to being the most brilliant or most intellectual man. Still, common sense says that if a system is built on denying specific races access to opportunity, racism will be at least partly the reason for the problems that exist due to that exclusion.

What I say is backed up by these links and many more. Not one of you racists argue with anything close to this kind of supporting evidence. Channel4 is not such evidence.

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Trauma, Racism, Chronic Stress and the Health of Black Americans,
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PBS, Race-The Power of An Illusion, Uncle Sam Lends A Hand, Did the Government Racialize Housing and Wealth? RACE - The Power of an Illusion . Go Deeper | PBS

Larry DeWitt, The Decision to Exclude Agricultural and Domestic Workers from the 1935 Social Security Act, Social Security Bulletin, Vol. 70, No. 4, 2010

Brad Plumer, A second look at Social Security’s racist origins, Washington Post, June 3, 2013, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...cond-look-at-social-securitys-racist-origins/

Erin Blakemore, How the GI Bill's Promise Was Denied to a Million Black WWII Veterans, How the GI Bill's Promise Was Denied to a Million Black WWII Veterans, June 21, 2019

Sally Kohn, Affirmative Action Has Helped White Women More Than Anyone, Time, JUNE 17, 2013, Affirmative Action Has Helped White Women More Than Anyone.

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Victoria M. Massie, White women benefit most from affirmative action — and are among its fiercest opponents, White women benefit most from affirmative action — and are among its fiercest opponents

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Why do you keep turning to white people for solutions to America's racial problems? I would think that you should be proposing solutions based on what you observe is unfair, but the only solution I've heard from you is reparations, and we know that's not going to solve America's racial problems. In fact, it would only exacerbate them as white resentment would explode, whether it's justified or not. You might feel better for a while that you got one over on the white guy, but it would set true racial reconciliation back decades. Basically, I'd like to see Spike Lee go into the coal mining regions of Appalachia and explain to the poor white miners barely hanging on why they owe him, a millionaire, money.

As it stands now, racist attitudes are being marginalized in America. Sure, there are always going to be pockets of ignorance and foolish hatred (we see them on this board, the idiots), but the vast majority of White America no longer thinks, for example, that Black America should be kept apart from White America, or that Black America is dumber than White America, etc.

Now, there's no doubt that black males face worse treatment from the police and the justice system than do white males. That's been going on for quite a while, but it's not just white police who are treating them differently. Cops of all races treat black males worse than white males and black judges do the same, so something more than just white racism is going on. There is widespread distrust and suspicion of black males (I do not believe changing the laws or any government program can do much to change that). Likewise, people with black sounding names or from majority black neighborhoods looking for housing are treated unfairly, and that's a real problem, but again, I do not believe that just white loan officers are doing it. In general, black Americans are viewed with more distrust and suspicion than are white Americans, but it's not just white Americans who view them that way. Even Jesse Jackson admitted that he felt relief if he heard footsteps and looked up to see white people. So, what's going on? I'm seriously asking you if you really think it's all just the white guy being racist that causes these problems.

In short, what's your real solution to this mess? What do you propose we do as a nation that will end America's distrust and suspicion of black Americans? I've already posted one solution I think would help relations between the police and black neighborhoods, and that's the return of the beat cop, the policeman who literally walks the sidewalks of the neighborhood and gets to know the families that live there.
 

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I am not the one clinging to hate. You aren't looking at facts. Move to Chicago, start a foundation in Serenity's name and work on whatever you think the problem is. If you're that moved by her death, you would have done that long ago. But you're not. You're a hate filled white racist using the death of a child to spew your racist opinions about black communities. I'm fine, the only thing that would wear on me is if I was one of those punk ass sellouts whites like you cherish. Sleep good knowing that you're using the death of an innocent child to press your mental sickness.
Another child murdered in the streets this time it was the Bronx. How is it you ignore these innocent young children being killed in inner city shootouts while you lament the ficticious passing of "Thousands of Blacks dying because of racism"? You ignore reality and maintain your hate for me and other White people inside your fantasy world. The young girl went by Ky Ky but you won't mention her name. Just like Serenity you can't bring yourself to mention their names.
 

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Why do you keep turning to white people for solutions to America's racial problems? I would think that you should be proposing solutions based on what you observe is unfair, but the only solution I've heard from you is reparations, and we know that's not going to solve America's racial problems. In fact, it would only exacerbate them as white resentment would explode, whether it's justified or not. You might feel better for a while that you got one over on the white guy, but it would set true racial reconciliation back decades. Basically, I'd like to see Spike Lee go into the coal mining regions of Appalachia and explain to the poor white miners barely hanging on why they owe him, a millionaire, money.

As it stands now, racist attitudes are being marginalized in America. Sure, there are always going to be pockets of ignorance and foolish hatred (we see them on this board, the idiots), but the vast majority of White America no longer thinks, for example, that Black America should be kept apart from White America, or that Black America is dumber than White America, etc.

Now, there's no doubt that black males face worse treatment from the police and the justice system than do white males. That's been going on for quite a while, but it's not just white police who are treating them differently. Cops of all races treat black males worse than white males and black judges do the same, so something more than just white racism is going on. There is widespread distrust and suspicion of black males (I do not believe changing the laws or any government program can do much to change that). Likewise, people with black sounding names or from majority black neighborhoods looking for housing are treated unfairly, and that's a real problem, but again, I do not believe that just white loan officers are doing it. In general, black Americans are viewed with more distrust and suspicion than are white Americans, but it's not just white Americans who view them that way. Even Jesse Jackson admitted that he felt relief if he heard footsteps and looked up to see white people. So, what's going on? I'm seriously asking you if you really think it's all just the white guy being racist that causes these problems.

In short, what's your real solution to this mess? What do you propose we do as a nation that will end America's distrust and suspicion of black Americans? I've already posted one solution I think would help relations between the police and black neighborhoods, and that's the return of the beat cop, the policeman who literally walks the sidewalks of the neighborhood and gets to know the families that live there.
Great post! You have echoed very eloquently what I have been saying to IM2 during his years of attacks on me and every other White poster on USMB.
 

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Most of the Opening Post was great discussion setting. The parts that weren't civil were the calling out of members for the topics they chose to post or opinions as labeling them as racist. Don't USE USMB members as example of racism. DEBATE the topic. Use other resources (as you did) to determine "who is racist"...

By calling out members for their past threads or opinions, you DESTROYED your own more important topic and made the responses about OLD threads and OLD posts. It was never gonna get to where your work and resources mattered..

You're welcome to restart the same discussion. If you contact me, I'll even edit in some of these responses into a new thread that you start.
 
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