Requiring a Photo ID to Vote Is "Voter Suppression"???

[DBA]

I've noted many, many times that states can make a photo I.D. a part of your voter I.D. for a long time now. As you note it's not going to catch everyone right away. States don't though by and large. They just complain that there aren't any. There aren't any because they won't do it.

It will take awhile to cover everyone but it will take forever if it's not done. No one says they can't. The argument is that no one registered should have to do anything else to vote. I have a voters registration card and I should be able to use that without doing anything additional. IF when I have to update my D.L. they want to make it a D.L/voters registration card they can.

They still need to allow those who only have a registration card vote. They could have been making photo voter registration cards for years. They didn't.

Funny, just the opposite is true for me. I lost my voter registration card years ago. I show my DL and vote. I could also show a state issued ID, but I must show a state/federal issued picture ID. Makes perfect sense to most folks, even the ones the left evidently feels are not savvy enough to get one.

If that works for you, great.

How is it any easier for someone to get a voter id vs a state issued id?

They already have the voter I.D.

EXACTLY why the left wants it. No picture. We get it.

That's the way it is. States could have made them photo I.D.'s long ago. They didn't. No one should now have to take additional steps to exercise their right to vote. That should not be considered "right" or "Left".

But they didn't. Hindsight is 20/20. Many have had their voter registration cards for several decades, prior to when anyone would have dreamed that we would actually be worried about illegals voting or significant voter fraud. We can't just grandfather these folks in. Rules changes all the time, in fact, if you don't upgrade your drivers license or ID to the "real ID" you won't be able to board a domestic flight or go into some federal buildings. No difference here.

 

[pknopp]

I've noted many, many times that states can make a photo I.D. a part of your voter I.D. for a long time now. As you note it's not going to catch everyone right away. States don't though by and large. They just complain that there aren't any. There aren't any because they won't do it.

It will take awhile to cover everyone but it will take forever if it's not done. No one says they can't. The argument is that no one registered should have to do anything else to vote. I have a voters registration card and I should be able to use that without doing anything additional. IF when I have to update my D.L. they want to make it a D.L/voters registration card they can.

They still need to allow those who only have a registration card vote. They could have been making photo voter registration cards for years. They didn't.

Funny, just the opposite is true for me. I lost my voter registration card years ago. I show my DL and vote. I could also show a state issued ID, but I must show a state/federal issued picture ID. Makes perfect sense to most folks, even the ones the left evidently feels are not savvy enough to get one.

If that works for you, great.

How is it any easier for someone to get a voter id vs a state issued id?

They already have the voter I.D.

EXACTLY why the left wants it. No picture. We get it.

That's the way it is. States could have made them photo I.D.'s long ago. They didn't. No one should now have to take additional steps to exercise their right to vote. That should not be considered "right" or "Left".

But they didn't. Hindsight is 20/20. Many have had their voter registration cards for several decades, prior to when anyone would have dreamed that we would actually be worried about illegals voting or significant voter fraud. We can't just grandfather these folks in. Rules changes all the time, in fact, if you don't upgrade your drivers license or ID to the "real ID" you won't be able to board a domestic flight or go into some federal buildings. No difference here.

Driving isn't a Constitutional right. We were also stupid for going along with the "real ID" crap.

 

[Darkwind]

I've noted many, many times that states can make a photo I.D. a part of your voter I.D. for a long time now. As you note it's not going to catch everyone right away. States don't though by and large. They just complain that there aren't any. There aren't any because they won't do it.

It will take awhile to cover everyone but it will take forever if it's not done. No one says they can't. The argument is that no one registered should have to do anything else to vote. I have a voters registration card and I should be able to use that without doing anything additional. IF when I have to update my D.L. they want to make it a D.L/voters registration card they can.

They still need to allow those who only have a registration card vote. They could have been making photo voter registration cards for years. They didn't.

Funny, just the opposite is true for me. I lost my voter registration card years ago. I show my DL and vote. I could also show a state issued ID, but I must show a state/federal issued picture ID. Makes perfect sense to most folks, even the ones the left evidently feels are not savvy enough to get one.

If that works for you, great.

How is it any easier for someone to get a voter id vs a state issued id?

They already have the voter I.D.

EXACTLY why the left wants it. No picture. We get it.

That's the way it is. States could have made them photo I.D.'s long ago. They didn't. No one should now have to take additional steps to exercise their right to vote. That should not be considered "right" or "Left".

Do you mean additional steps like having to buy guns only from Federally authorize gun dealers? Or having to take the extra steps of registering their guns? Or taking the extra steps to be sure that they are not selling their guns to people who MAY or MAY NOT have a criminal background?

There are a lot of 'rights' that people are forced to jump through hoops to exercise. We have elections every 730 days. It is NOT a burden to ensure that you have an ID of some kind and that you show up at your assigned polling place.

 

[pknopp]

I've noted many, many times that states can make a photo I.D. a part of your voter I.D. for a long time now. As you note it's not going to catch everyone right away. States don't though by and large. They just complain that there aren't any. There aren't any because they won't do it.

It will take awhile to cover everyone but it will take forever if it's not done. No one says they can't. The argument is that no one registered should have to do anything else to vote. I have a voters registration card and I should be able to use that without doing anything additional. IF when I have to update my D.L. they want to make it a D.L/voters registration card they can.

They still need to allow those who only have a registration card vote. They could have been making photo voter registration cards for years. They didn't.

Funny, just the opposite is true for me. I lost my voter registration card years ago. I show my DL and vote. I could also show a state issued ID, but I must show a state/federal issued picture ID. Makes perfect sense to most folks, even the ones the left evidently feels are not savvy enough to get one.

If that works for you, great.

How is it any easier for someone to get a voter id vs a state issued id?

They already have the voter I.D.

EXACTLY why the left wants it. No picture. We get it.

That's the way it is. States could have made them photo I.D.'s long ago. They didn't. No one should now have to take additional steps to exercise their right to vote. That should not be considered "right" or "Left".

Do you mean additional steps like having to buy guns only from Federally authorize gun dealers? Or having to take the extra steps of registering their guns? Or taking the extra steps to be sure that they are not selling their guns to people who MAY or MAY NOT have a criminal background?

I don't agree with any of that either.

There are a lot of 'rights' that people are forced to jump through hoops to exercise. We have elections every 730 days. It is NOT a burden to ensure that you have an ID of some kind and that you show up at your assigned polling place.

Everyone can be required to show their I.D. I'll have mine with me.

 

[dblack]

Any sentient person knows that Democrats oppose photo ID laws because the photo ID requirement makes it much harder to commit voter fraud. Democrats know that the vast majority of fraudulent voters will vote for Democrats, and that's why they don't like photo ID laws.

I don't see any evidence for that. Democrats just want more poor people to vote, and Republicans want less poor people to vote. That's all this is about. The rest is just theater.

 

[badbob85037]

“Voter suppression has taken many forms,” says Samuel L. Jackson in a new Biden ad. “First, they used the poll tax to keep Black folks from voting. Then it was the literacy test, racial terrorism, and violence.” What's the latest supposed form of "voter suppression"? Simply being asked to show a valid photo ID before being allowed to vote! Why? Because allegedly being asked to show a photo ID is "intimidating" and even "threatening." What utter nonsense.

Do the people who supposedly feel "intimidated" and "threatened" by merely being asked to show a photo ID before they vote--do these people ever buy alcohol, tobacco products, or cell phone contracts? All of these transactions require the buyer to show a photo ID before they can make the purchase. You can't board a commercial airliner without showing a photo ID. So if these folks don't mind showing a photo ID to buy alcohol, tobacco products, and cell phone contracts, and to board a plane, why do they mind showing a photo ID to vote?

Any sentient person knows that Democrats oppose photo ID laws because the photo ID requirement makes it much harder to commit voter fraud. Democrats know that the vast majority of fraudulent voters will vote for Democrats, and that's why they don't like photo ID laws.

This is some of that democrat racism they never see and won't for another 140 years. Everybody knows a Black American don't have the sense to get them no voter's I D. Suppressing the Black vote that's what those Anti-socialist, marxist repugs are doing. Damn racist!

 

[Jarlaxle]

Funny, just the opposite is true for me. I lost my voter registration card years ago. I show my DL and vote. I could also show a state issued ID, but I must show a state/federal issued picture ID. Makes perfect sense to most folks, even the ones the left evidently feels are not savvy enough to get one.

I don't even think I got a registration card after I moved. Of course...considering they're just printed on card stock, I could MAKE them on a PC and printer!

 

[WTH_Progs?]

It's not the asking for ID, it's in the narrow and restrictive nature of the required ID.

Why?

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Here's the correct answer, all others are bullshit. Democrats REJECT voter ID because Democrats reject responsibility, and they know who irresponsible people are most likely to support.

 

[pknopp]

Here's the correct answer, all others are bullshit. Democrats REJECT voter ID because Democrats reject responsibility, and they know who irresponsible people are most likely to support.

There is no exception for the right to vote for "irresponsible" people.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Because blacks are too inferior to acquire the ID they need. That is the Democrat position.

I have heard countless Democrats say similar things. They think very little of black people.

To Democrats, black people are just numbers to count on for votes to retain power.

That's why racists like Penelope jump in hysterically to attack anyone like you who points out that voting for Democrats isn't in black's best interest. Her lily white ass is well aware of the obliteration that would happen to the Democrat party if blacks were no longer subjugated to them

You voted for tramp, an alleged rapist.

You support Biden, an alleged pedophile.

Not only that she is a HUGE fan of the mass murderers the clintons and Obama’s. Lol

it is sooooo obvious she is a paid shill for the DNC committe sent here to troll these boards. At one time I considered her one of the most objective posters here at USMB because she always told the truth about 9/11 being an inside job. Boy was I ever wrong on her being objective and non biased here is why in the rest of my post below.

it is obvious though the ONLY reason she did that though is because REPUBLICAN George Bush was President,had 9/11 happened under Obama she NEVER would have uttered one peep about it being an inside job.we know it,she knows it.

The way we know that to be true is we never once heard one peep out of her the eight years obama was president on HIS corruption,not one single peep from her how he lied to the people about ending the war and getting rid of bush’s dreconian patriot act how instead of doing either,he EXPANDED upon bush’s corruption he started.

There is every bit just as much evidence about Obamas corruption on how he is as much a mass murderer of women and children around the world and how he illegally invaded Syria that had done nothing to us,as there is that 9/11 was an inside job yet she won’t touch those subjects because she knows she has to come up with LIES to try and refute those truthful facts.lol she will pretend I never made this post I guarantee or if she does reply,she will post something irrelevent to those facts on Obama’s corruption saying something like Tramp is the worst president ever IF she even addresses this post at all,you just watch her evasion IF she even touch’s this post.lol

Just as I called it and predicted.the dem leaders are soooo predictable like clockwork,never fails
Ever notice folks that everytime you make a truthful post like this that the dem loving trolls never addresses the facts you give knowing they can’t be refuted so all they ever do is post a laughing smiley knowing they have been checkmated. Lol never fails

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Citizens who do not have a government issued photo I'D have lived from birth here, without one.... and still are living, without a gvt issued photo I'D.

Why do they all of a sudden, need this govt control over them, in order to live their lives with liberty, as they always have...including being able to vote, if they are registered.

It's a poll tax, in the sense that it discriminates, against the poor and disabled who do not own cars and drive, vs the citizen who does drive and has to take no extra measures in order to vote, because they already have an acceptable gvt issued drivers licence.

So anyone who has enough money or borrowing power to own a car, has to do zip, to continue voting, but those who do not have the means or need to drive, do have to go through hoops, in order to continue to vote.

My mother in law lived her whole life until she was in her late 70's, without a gvt issued photo ID, when my father in law passed onward, she learned how to drive.

There is no reason people who have never the need for a gvt issued voter ID, should not be able to show their social security card with a recent electric bill with their name and address, to show they are who is registered at that address on the voter roll....or two ids with similar information....like their property tax bill etc....

For a citizen who is too poor or disabled or etc.... that do not own cars or have access to a car to drive, it is much harder...several bus ride and transfers away from a DMV to get a gvt issued picture id, it is money lost, from their hourly job....and they likely need every penny, and if they do not have their birth certificate, it's another $20 bucks to get a copy mailed to them.

After Georgia passed their voter ID laws, they then closed 3 out of 4 DMVs, in local black neighborhoods, making it much harder for them to get to....

This entire voter id right wing venture, solved no voter fraud problems that existed. There never was an identity theft problem at the polls.... So, without any doubt, the sole purpose, was to disenfranchise a segment of voters, who they believed voted mostly for left wing candidates.

You can flap your gums and make al the disingenuous excuses you want about why someone shouldn't have to or can't get a photo ID to vote, but they all fall on deaf ears, because they are just excuses to mask the REAL reason you don't want Photo ID for voting, which is it would make it MUCH harder for Non-eligible persons to vote legally. We are talking about a one time event, an investment in your Constitutional Right to vote. Remember what one of your shining star Democrats ( back when Democrats had at least a little honor), John F Kennedy said.... View attachment 400726
Ask not what your Country can do for you....Ask what you can do for your country.

And what you can do for your country is to help preserve the integrity of our elections by going and getting a Photo ID so your and every other LEGAL Citizens vote is not diluted by illegally cast votes.

This speech Kennedy gave was the speech that got him killed. It was one of the greatest speechs by anybody in the whole world of all time.He was a president ahead of his time. The thing thats amazing about this speech is it so much applies every bit just as much today as it did back then.

start off listening to it at the 6.35 minute mark,that is where he hit the nail dead on the head especially sense as i said,it so much applies today talking about how the word secrecy is repugnunt.so very true.

It ESPECIALLY starts to really get you hanging on every word the whole time at the 9.55 mark.

If Kennedy was alive today,he would be referring to all the democrat leaders ruining this country,He describes them today to a tee in this excellent speech.

There are parralels to this video how same as the press hated jfk back then,they hate trump as well.



Here are some excellent comments written by some really objective posters in reply to this video in the comments section.


this poster is correct,this video USED to be easy as pie to find,now youtube makes it very difficult to find,i had a hard time finding it when i used to have no problem,and this is WHY below in these comments by this awake person

alec french I found this fast as Hell back when Obama was President. Now that Trump is President YouTube has berried this great speech by President Kennedy. YouTube has made this hard to find because the American Press HAS BEEN COMPROMISED AND GUTTED and President Kennedy’s worst fear has become true. The American Press does not like to admit they helped create Communism. They also do not want it know that the shoe has switched to the Left foot. Members of secret societies now belong to the Democrat Party and the Entertainment/Hollywood/Artistic Industrial Complex. 2016 this speech could be found with no problem. In 2020, yeah - it is hard as Hell to find.



John Fitzgerald Kennedy is proof that their was a time when democrats loved America. The democrat party of 2020 does not love America nor represent the values of Kennedy.

COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF.

 

[JoeB131]

Think about that for a minute. A person is illegally in this country but can go into a state government office and they will provide you with a state issued id as opposed to a free ride to the jailhouse. Not so much as a note sent to ICE about this illegal immigrant who showed up and got their picture taken and provided an address to where they are living. Democrats pushed for driver's licenses for illegals in the hopes that eventually it would lead to them being able to vote. If a few get to vote illegally by having a driver's licenses , that works too. Don't be so naïve.

Actually, it's a more practical thing.... We know illegals will operate cars... We want to make sure they CAN operate a car.

Very few of them are voting.... you guys have been singing that song since 2000... and it just ain't true.

 

[DBA]

Think about that for a minute. A person is illegally in this country but can go into a state government office and they will provide you with a state issued id as opposed to a free ride to the jailhouse. Not so much as a note sent to ICE about this illegal immigrant who showed up and got their picture taken and provided an address to where they are living. Democrats pushed for driver's licenses for illegals in the hopes that eventually it would lead to them being able to vote. If a few get to vote illegally by having a driver's licenses , that works too. Don't be so naïve.

Actually, it's a more practical thing.... We know illegals will operate cars... We want to make sure they CAN operate a car.

Very few of them are voting.... you guys have been singing that song since 2000... and it just ain't true.

The practical thing would be to remove illegals, not give them the benefit of being able to legally drive a car and have an ID.

For some reason I don’t think you would be singing the same tune if illegals leaned right. It is just like felons leaning left. If they leaned right, there is no way the left would want them to be able to vote.

The hope by Democrats is that giving them ID’s will be the springboard to allowing them to become citizens and/or to vote.

 

[pknopp]

Think about that for a minute. A person is illegally in this country but can go into a state government office and they will provide you with a state issued id as opposed to a free ride to the jailhouse. Not so much as a note sent to ICE about this illegal immigrant who showed up and got their picture taken and provided an address to where they are living. Democrats pushed for driver's licenses for illegals in the hopes that eventually it would lead to them being able to vote. If a few get to vote illegally by having a driver's licenses , that works too. Don't be so naïve.

Actually, it's a more practical thing.... We know illegals will operate cars... We want to make sure they CAN operate a car.

Very few of them are voting.... you guys have been singing that song since 2000... and it just ain't true.

The practical thing would be to remove illegals, not give them the benefit of being able to legally drive a car and have an ID.

For some reason I don’t think you would be singing the same tune if illegals leaned right. It is just like felons leaning left. If they leaned right, there is no way the left would want them to be able to vote.

The hope by Democrats is that giving them ID’s will be the springboard to allowing them to become citizens and/or to vote.

If you want them removed you are going to have to vote and support a president that will actually do it.

 

[JoeB131]

The practical thing would be to remove illegals, not give them the benefit of being able to legally drive a car and have an ID.

Actually, if you wanted to get rid of "illegals", you can do that in ten minutes by going after the rich white people who hire them. Raid their factories on a regular basis. Pick up their kids at the park with their nannies and they don't get them back until they've paid a huge fine for hiring "Lupe who is just like a member of the family we don't pay a fair wage to." Some DIYer picks up some Day Laborers at the Home Depot when that home improvement project proves tougher than Chip and Joana made it look, slap his ass with a fine. You'd be amazed how quick they demand for illegal labor dries up.

We won't do that. Hell hath no fury like white people mildly inconvenienced.

For some reason I don’t think you would be singing the same tune if illegals leaned right. It is just like felons leaning left. If they leaned right, there is no way the left would want them to be able to vote.

So let's look at that. Hispanics SHOULD have been a natural fit for the GOP. They are socially conservative, generally more religious than most white people are... But because for the last 50 years, the open racism of the GOP has driven them to the Democrats. It's honestly fucking amazing. You mistreat people and wonder why they hate you and don't listen to any of your ideas.

The hope by Democrats is that giving them ID’s will be the springboard to allowing them to become citizens and/or to vote.

And eventually they will. The ironic thing is, Bush and McCain came up with a very fair system to allow them a path to citizenship that would have required them to wait longer than those who immigrated the right way. But instead, you guys engaged in the most base racism, which not only alienated the undocumented, but immigrants and even people who were born here....

 

[JoeB131]

If you want them removed you are going to have to vote and support a president that will actually do it.

And that's the problem. We have 11 million undocumented immigrants here.

Our system can only really deport about 400,000 a year. We don't have enough ICE agents, courts, agreements with host countries, etc. to send them all back.

Even if you could block any more from coming in, (you can't) it would take decades to deport them all.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

“Voter suppression has taken many forms,” says Samuel L. Jackson in a new Biden ad. “First, they used the poll tax to keep Black folks from voting. Then it was the literacy test, racial terrorism, and violence.” What's the latest supposed form of "voter suppression"? Simply being asked to show a valid photo ID before being allowed to vote! Why? Because allegedly being asked to show a photo ID is "intimidating" and even "threatening." What utter nonsense.

Do the people who supposedly feel "intimidated" and "threatened" by merely being asked to show a photo ID before they vote--do these people ever buy alcohol, tobacco products, or cell phone contracts? All of these transactions require the buyer to show a photo ID before they can make the purchase. You can't board a commercial airliner without showing a photo ID. So if these folks don't mind showing a photo ID to buy alcohol, tobacco products, and cell phone contracts, and to board a plane, why do they mind showing a photo ID to vote?

Any sentient person knows that Democrats oppose photo ID laws because the photo ID requirement makes it much harder to commit voter fraud. Democrats know that the vast majority of fraudulent voters will vote for Democrats, and that's why they don't like photo ID laws.