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Correll

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How are they not a contradiction?


You are the one that sees a contradiction NOT. It is up to you to explain what you see.


Seriously. WTF?
 

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NFBW wrote: If you actually did you could actually and easily post it one more time to actually “prove” that I am a lying. BUT you can’t. You always end with accusing me of lying but never bring the meat. Its trickery. Its what a DJT gentle white fascist does in his or her yearning for raw power. It seems harmless but this fakery and trickery like that is a very effective political weapon in the AGE of DJT. 21SEP21-POST#654

“”” What is happening now in our nation's capital, and radiating throughout the country, is enough to put even the most cynical of politicians of past eras to shame.

21SEP21-DRather-depravityGOP-a

I fear that we don't have an adequate framework to make complete sense of the depravity and disingenuousness of what is taking place. Basically, we have one political party at the national level, the Republicans, who have long since ceded any pretense of actually doing the work of government, namely making policies to solve problems. Instead, it is raw power for power's sake, and that has turned Congress into what is in essence largely a troll farm on their side of the aisle. “””


1. Calling me a "white fascist" is racist of you and a lie.

2. The party that is a threat to democracy, is the dems, with their riots and politicization of law enforcement and now the military and their embrace of brown shirt tactics.
 

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1. Calling me a "white fascist" is racist of you and a lie.

2. The party that is a threat to democracy, is the dems, with their riots and politicization of law enforcement and now the military and their embrace of brown shirt tactics.

You have forgotten the black mark in history when trump and you lumps supported the riots to over throw democracy. Yet the democrats are a threat????
Do you ever think before you post rubbish like that?
 

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You have forgotten the black mark in history when trump and you lumps supported the riots to over throw democracy. Yet the democrats are a threat????
Do you ever think before you post rubbish like that?


Trump did not support or call for a riot, and it was certainly not an attempt to overthrow thee government.

Your hysterical panic mongering is an excuse to distract from your own, far worse riots and to justify your increasing use of both brown shirt street violence and using government power against your enemies.


Would you like to address my actual points, or are you just going to repeat your unsupported accusations and assertions again, as that is all you understand of "debate"?
 

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NFBW wrote: Do you, Correll have a date or event specific for when the FORMAL CASE FOR WAR WAS MADE? 21SEP22-POST#628

Don't recall, and don't care.

NFBW 21SEO27-POST#665 If you don’t recall what you were thinking in 2003 and don’t care, why did you cite something that happened after something else happened but don’t know the timing of which you spoke? .

Correll wrote: As events and discussions continued AFTER THE FORMAL CASE FOR WAR WAS MADE, President Bush allowed himself to be painted into a corner, where if Saddam had provided undeniable proof that he was disarmed, that he would have had a difficult time going to war, 21AUG18-POST#3240
 
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NFBW wrote: It was pre-planned riot in service to a degenerate fascistic mobster who was refusing to leave office and give up his power after losing an American election. 21SEP23-POST#651

Correll wrote: Back up that shit or admit that you are just a mindless spam bot. 21SEP26-POST#659

NFBW wrote: Do you actually believe the Jan6 rioters did no coordination, planning or preparation to storm into the Capitol in an attempt to stop the certification of the election that specific day? 21SEP26-POST#666
 

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NFBW wrote: It was pre-planned riot in service to a degenerate fascistic mobster who was refusing to leave office and give up his power after losing an American election. 21SEP23-POST#651

Correll wrote: Back up that shit or admit that you are just a mindless spam bot. 21SEP26-POST#659

NFBW wrote: The backup to what was suspected of the degenerate fascistic mobster who was refusing to leave office and give up his power after losing an American election. Its the EASTMAN PLAN. I cannot make you read it, but I can ask if you are a degenerate fascist who wishes the plan had worked. Are You? If you don’t answer I accept that you wished the EASTMAN PLAN worked and DJT was still President because millions of black votes would not be counted. Those black votes would not count had the EASTMAN PLAN worked to replace Biden electors with the white fascist’s electors from 7 states with largely populated cities with black majorities. 21SEP27-POST#667


PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL January 6 scenario 7 states have transmitted dual slates of electors to the President of the Senate.

EASTMAN PLAN Memo cited in full below
TRUMP-Jan6-COUPattempt

“”” PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL January 6 scenario 7 states have transmitted dual slates of electors to the President of the Senate.

READ: Trump lawyer's memo on six-step plan for Pence to overturn the election
By: CNN
Updated 8:20 AM EDT, Tue September 21, 2021


The 12th Amendment merely provides that “the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.” There is very solid legal authority, and historical precedent, for the view that the President of the Senate does the counting, including the resolution of disputed electoral votes (as Adams and Jefferson did while Vice President, regarding their own election as President), and all the Members of Congress can do is watch. The Electoral Count Act, which is likely unconstitutional, provides: If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. This is the piece that we believe is unconstitutional. It allows the two houses, “acting separately,” to decide the question, whereas the 12th Amendment provides only for a joint session. And if there is disagreement, under the Act the slate certified by the “executive” of the state is to be counted, regardless of the evidence that exists regarding the election, and regardless of whether there was ever fair review of what happened in the election, by judges and/or state legislatures. So here’s the scenario we propose:


1. VP Pence, presiding over the joint session (or Senate Pro Tempore Grassley, if Pence recuses himself), begins to open and count the ballots, starting with Alabama (without conceding that the procedure, specified by the Electoral Count Act, of going through the States alphabetically is required).
2. When he gets to Arizona, he announces that he has multiple slates of electors, and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States. This would be the first break with the procedure set out in the Act.
3. At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That means the total number of “electors appointed” – the language of the 12th Amendment -- is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe (here). A “majority of the electors appointed” would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.
4. Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribe’s prior position, that 270 is required. So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected there as well.
5. One last piece. Assuming the Electoral Count Act process is followed and, upon getting the objections to the Arizona slates, the two houses break into their separate chambers, we should not allow the Electoral Count Act constraint on debate to control. That would mean that a prior legislature was determining the rules of the present one — a constitutional no-no (as Tribe has forcefully argued). So someone – Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. – should demand normal rules (which includes the filibuster). That creates a stalemate that would give the state legislatures more time to weigh in to formally support the alternate slate of electors, if they had not already done so. 6. The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission – either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court. Let the other side challenge his actions in court, where Tribe (who in 2001 conceded the President of the Senate might be in charge of counting the votes) and others who would press a lawsuit would have their past position -- that these are non-justiciable political questions – thrown back at them, to get the lawsuit dismissed. The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind. TRUMP-Jan6-COUPattempt “””
 

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Correll wrote: 4. Trump was well within his rights to call for a demonstration to put political pressure on Congress. 21SEP23-POST#642

NFBW 21SEP27-POST#668 wrote: Political pressure for a Congress to do what exactly on Jan6?

Here is what DJT wanted to happen on Jan6:

When Pence or Grassley gets to Arizona, he lies by announcing that he has multiple slates of electors, and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States. *** At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes regarding all the mostly black Biden votes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That means the total number of “electors appointed” – the language of the 12th Amendment -- is 454. *** When the Democrats object saying that 270 is required, Pence or Grassley says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected.

NFBW wrote: Is that the pressure you say Correll that DJT called for a demonstration to put pressure on Congress so he could overturn the election despite the vast majority of Americans who voted (7 million more than those who worship him) are sick of the ignorant hate-filled fascist bastard and want him to go to hell where he belongs.
21SEP27-POST#668
 

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NFBW wrote: It was pre-planned riot in service to a degenerate fascistic mobster who was refusing to leave office and give up his power after losing an American election. 21SEP23-POST#651

Correll wrote: Back up that shit or admit that you are just a mindless spam bot. 21SEP26-POST#659

NFBW wrote: Do you actually believe the Jan6 rioters did no coordination, planning or preparation to storm into the Capitol in an attempt to stop the certification of the election that specific day? 21SEP26-POST#666


And that is you failing. You made an accusation you cannot support.
 

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Correll wrote: 4. Trump was well within his rights to call for a demonstration to put political pressure on Congress. 21SEP23-POST#642

NFBW 21SEP27-POST#668 wrote: Political pressure for a Congress to do what exactly on Jan6?

Here is what DJT wanted to happen on Jan6:

When Pence or Grassley gets to Arizona, he lies by announcing that he has multiple slates of electors, and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States. *** At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes regarding all the mostly black Biden votes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That means the total number of “electors appointed” – the language of the 12th Amendment -- is 454. *** When the Democrats object saying that 270 is required, Pence or Grassley says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected.

NFBW wrote: Is that the pressure you say Correll that DJT called for a demonstration to put pressure on Congress so he could overturn the election despite the vast majority of Americans who voted (7 million more than those who worship him) are sick of the ignorant hate-filled fascist bastard and want him to go to hell where he belongs.
21SEP27-POST#668


Stripped of your race baiting spin, yes.

President Trump believes that the election was corrupted by fraud and massive changes in the rules on voting.


He was well within his right to argue that case, and to use political pressure as part of that.

The bit where you act like it was some great...Evul, is just you being an asshole.
 

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