Regulation is Out of Control

[Quantum Windbag]

Awkward...

Not really.

The questions are how has it been enforced and have there been amendments to the Act?

My guess - and its just a guess - is that oil companies weren't being prosecuted under the Act for a handful of birds dying in refuse pits 80 years ago. But I might be wrong, I don't know.

According to this link, going after oil companies for bird deaths started occuring in the 1970s.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...IjBHZGsOw&sig2=RibE0saz0Y94tU1yLPChbQ&cad=rja

So, blaming it on the current administration is simply partisan hackery.

Toro is not blaming it on the current administration, he is blaming it on regulatory overreach. That makes you the partisan hack, something we already knew.

 

[DontBeStupid]

This is ridiculous! Ugh!

A few months ago the Obama Justice Department brought charges against Continental and six other oil companies in North Dakota for causing the death of 28 migratory birds, in violation of the Migratory Bird Act. Continental's crime was killing one bird "the size of a sparrow" in its oil pits. The charges carry criminal penalties of up to six months in jail. "It's not even a rare bird. There're jillions of them," he explains. He says that "people in North Dakota are really outraged by these legal actions," which he views as "completely discriminatory" because the feds have rarely if ever prosecuted the Obama administration's beloved wind industry, which kills hundreds of thousands of birds each year.

The Weekend Interview with Harold Hamm: How North Dakota Became Saudi Arabia - WSJ.com

I don't think anyone has asked this yet, but, uhm, what's the big deal here? If the companies are negligent under the law, then they need to pay a fine. In this case, the fine mentioned was $15,000.

Are you all saying a $15K fine will break an oil company? Or are you saying that oil companies should be allowed to break the law?

 

[boedicca]

This is ridiculous! Ugh!

A few months ago the Obama Justice Department brought charges against Continental and six other oil companies in North Dakota for causing the death of 28 migratory birds, in violation of the Migratory Bird Act. Continental's crime was killing one bird "the size of a sparrow" in its oil pits. The charges carry criminal penalties of up to six months in jail. "It's not even a rare bird. There're jillions of them," he explains. He says that "people in North Dakota are really outraged by these legal actions," which he views as "completely discriminatory" because the feds have rarely if ever prosecuted the Obama administration's beloved wind industry, which kills hundreds of thousands of birds each year.

The Weekend Interview with Harold Hamm: How North Dakota Became Saudi Arabia - WSJ.com

So what this means is: it's okay to kill thousands of birds, including threatened species such as the California Golden Eagle, in the pursuit of energy as long as said energy is a Government Sponsored and Approved Green Economy variety such as Windmill Farms.

But if the birds die near an oil field, we must punish those who produce a commercially viable and popular Evul Fossil Fuel.

Our country is insane.

 

[FireFly]

As the saying goes: Of Cabbages and Kingmakers

• Pythagorean theorem: 24 words
• The Lord's Prayer: 66 words
• Archimedes' Principle: 67 words
• The Ten Commandments: 179 words
• The Gettysburg Address: 286 words
• The Declaration of Independence: 1,300 words
• The US government regulations on the sale of cabbage: 26,911 words

 

[Zander]

This is ridiculous! Ugh!

A few months ago the Obama Justice Department brought charges against Continental and six other oil companies in North Dakota for causing the death of 28 migratory birds, in violation of the Migratory Bird Act. Continental's crime was killing one bird "the size of a sparrow" in its oil pits. The charges carry criminal penalties of up to six months in jail. "It's not even a rare bird. There're jillions of them," he explains. He says that "people in North Dakota are really outraged by these legal actions," which he views as "completely discriminatory" because the feds have rarely if ever prosecuted the Obama administration's beloved wind industry, which kills hundreds of thousands of birds each year.

The Weekend Interview with Harold Hamm: How North Dakota Became Saudi Arabia - WSJ.com

So what this means is: it's okay to kill thousands of birds, including threatened species such as the California Golden Eagle, in the pursuit of energy as long as said energy is a Government Sponsored and Approved Green Economy variety such as Windmill Farms.

But if the birds die near an oil field, we must punish those who produce a commercially viable and popular Evul Fossil Fuel.

Our country is insane.

Nothing that a little "hope and change" won't cure!!

 

[Claudette]

These regs have been on the books for decades, in one form or another. Why now, why North Dakota?
There's an employment boom going on there, real industrial activity, real jobs, real contributions to GDP and the production of a commodity that reduces imports and puts hard currency into the pockets of the working pubilc as well as local state and federal coffers.

But no, fuck all that- on the drawing board is nearly $100 billion in tax penalties for the industy.
I tell you, this administration is so blatantly fucked up it's pathetic.

because they are going gangbusters up there with an insanely low unemployment rate compliments of....fossil fuels..thats why

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Good little story on I believe Wilson, ND. They need people to work there big time. Hell. They are paying $15.00 and hour to work at McD's. Hell. If it wasn't colder than a witchs tit in the Winter I might consider it. LOL

 

[Claudette]

This is ridiculous! Ugh!

A few months ago the Obama Justice Department brought charges against Continental and six other oil companies in North Dakota for causing the death of 28 migratory birds, in violation of the Migratory Bird Act. Continental's crime was killing one bird "the size of a sparrow" in its oil pits. The charges carry criminal penalties of up to six months in jail. "It's not even a rare bird. There're jillions of them," he explains. He says that "people in North Dakota are really outraged by these legal actions," which he views as "completely discriminatory" because the feds have rarely if ever prosecuted the Obama administration's beloved wind industry, which kills hundreds of thousands of birds each year.

The Weekend Interview with Harold Hamm: How North Dakota Became Saudi Arabia - WSJ.com

So what this means is: it's okay to kill thousands of birds, including threatened species such as the California Golden Eagle, in the pursuit of energy as long as said energy is a Government Sponsored and Approved Green Economy variety such as Windmill Farms.

But if the birds die near an oil field, we must punish those who produce a commercially viable and popular Evul Fossil Fuel.

Our country is insane.

Good question.

Are they prosecuting the wind farms for the dead birds??

Or is it just the oil industry??

 

[CrusaderFrank]

This is how you can tell the American Experiment is drawing to a close, Progressive Jihadist have taken control of the government and are using their power to strangle the middle class to death

 

[DontBeStupid]

This is how you can tell the American Experiment is drawing to a close, Progressive Jihadist have taken control of the government and are using their power to strangle the middle class to death

It's amazing you can be this dumb this early in the morning.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

This is ridiculous! Ugh!

A few months ago the Obama Justice Department brought charges against Continental and six other oil companies in North Dakota for causing the death of 28 migratory birds, in violation of the Migratory Bird Act. Continental's crime was killing one bird "the size of a sparrow" in its oil pits. The charges carry criminal penalties of up to six months in jail. "It's not even a rare bird. There're jillions of them," he explains. He says that "people in North Dakota are really outraged by these legal actions," which he views as "completely discriminatory" because the feds have rarely if ever prosecuted the Obama administration's beloved wind industry, which kills hundreds of thousands of birds each year.

The Weekend Interview with Harold Hamm: How North Dakota Became Saudi Arabia - WSJ.com

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......The Murdoch Street Journal.

Yeah.....it's gotta be a....

....total-bullshit article.

Murdoch's track-record (of lies) is.....

....never-ending!!

 

[Truthmatters]

the wall street journal is a Murdock paper now

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Obama Fluffers are out in force...big surprise.

See how they root for their own destruction?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The Obama Fluffers are out in force...big surprise.

See how they root for their own destruction?

Hell.....we've GOT a candidate, for 2012.

What's YOUR PROBLEM??!!!!!

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[CrusaderFrank]

The Obama Fluffers are out in force...big surprise.

See how they root for their own destruction?

Hell.....we've GOT a candidate, for 2012.

What's YOUR PROBLEM??!!!!!

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My Problem is all the harm your Candidate has inflicted on our country and our economy you brain damaged moron

Let's Reivew Obama's Records

Record Debt both in a year and in a Presidency
Record Deficits
Record Unemployment
Record Numbers of people living in Poverty
Record Numbers of people on Food Stamps
Record Number of Homeless (Remember them?)
and to top it off

FIRST EVER DOWNGRADE OF US CREDIT RATING

Now go back to Fluffing the Obama's

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Obama Fluffers are out in force...big surprise.

See how they root for their own destruction?

Hell.....we've GOT a candidate, for 2012.

What's YOUR PROBLEM??!!!!!

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My Problem is all the harm your Candidate has inflicted on our country and our economy you brain damaged moron

Let's Review Obama's Records

Record Debt both in a year and in a Presidency
Record Deficits
Record Unemployment
Record Numbers of people living in Poverty
Record Numbers of people on Food Stamps
Record Number of Homeless (Remember them?)
and to top it off

FIRST EVER DOWNGRADE OF US CREDIT RATING

Now go back to Fluffing the Obama's

 

[DontBeStupid]

Let's Review Obama's Records

Record Debt both in a year and in a Presidency
Record Deficits
Record Unemployment
Record Numbers of people living in Poverty
Record Numbers of people on Food Stamps
Record Number of Homeless (Remember them?)
and to top it off

FIRST EVER DOWNGRADE OF US CREDIT RATING

Ah Frank. Posting random stuff and thinking it's true. I love it.

Record Debt both in a year and in a Presidency - Year yes, Presidency no. Bush still holds the record for raw numbers and Reagan holds it for percentage.
Record Deficits - As a raw number, yes, as a percentage of GDP (the real way to judge them), no.
Record Unemployment - Not even close.
Record Numbers of people living in Poverty - Not even close.
FIRST EVER DOWNGRADE OF US CREDIT RATING - Which was NOT attributed to the President but rather to the opposition party.

As for homelessness and food stamps, I couldn't find historical numbers for those, so if you want to provide us your link to where you got your numbers, then we can discuss those too.

 

[Flopper]

I would be very surprised if there wasn't more to the story. This isn't a news article, it's an editorial based on the (verified?) statements of one of the actors in the story. This means that the author didn't have any need to call the Justice Department for comment.

I couldn't find anything on Google that didn't reference the WSJ editorial, but the DOJ website did have a press release that confirms the basic facts:

http://www.justice.gov/usao/nd/pressreleases/2011/08-25-2011-Migratory Bird Treaty Act.pdf.

You can also read about the act itself at:

Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The US Attorney who brought the suit seems to treat environmental issues as part of his portfolio, but not the overriding part:
http://www.justice.gov/usao/nd/pressreleases/2011/08-25-2011-Migratory Bird Treaty Act.pdf

I suspect there is quite a bit more to the story. Bird kills due to a business's lack of precautions usually results in a slap on hand for a first offense. The is reported to be a criminal prosecution which is reserved for repeated offenses or where the business opening refuses to obey the law.

If you don't like the law, pressure government to change the law. Ignoring the law is not an acceptable solution.

 

[MiddleClass]

Deregulation was out of control last decade, and led to the worst recession since the great depression. And that is why it seems regulation is out of control now - to counter the most destructive economic forces American has had since just prior to the Great Depression when deregulation led to it.

The wheel weaves as it turns.

 

[The Rabbi]

Deregulation was out of control last decade, and led to the worst recession since the great depression. And that is why it seems regulation is out of control now - to counter the most destructive economic forces American has had since just prior to the Great Depression when deregulation led to it.

The wheel weaves as it turns.

Really? Can you list some deregulation that happened in the 2000s?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Let's Review Obama's Records

Record Debt both in a year and in a Presidency
Record Deficits
Record Unemployment
Record Numbers of people living in Poverty
Record Numbers of people on Food Stamps
Record Number of Homeless (Remember them?)
and to top it off

FIRST EVER DOWNGRADE OF US CREDIT RATING

Ah Frank. Posting random stuff and thinking it's true. I love it.

Record Debt both in a year and in a Presidency - Year yes, Presidency no. Bush still holds the record for raw numbers and Reagan holds it for percentage.
Record Deficits - As a raw number, yes, as a percentage of GDP (the real way to judge them), no.
Record Unemployment - Not even close.
Record Numbers of people living in Poverty - Not even close.
FIRST EVER DOWNGRADE OF US CREDIT RATING - Which was NOT attributed to the President but rather to the opposition party.

As for homelessness and food stamps, I couldn't find historical numbers for those, so if you want to provide us your link to where you got your numbers, then we can discuss those too.

Wow.

Just fucking wow.

Obama runs up annual $1Trillion+ deficit and you're defending it by lame and irrelevant comparisons????? Get a fresh pair of Obama Fluffer knee pads

How is the Downgrade the fault of Republicans when I thought Obama got 20 pages of stuff accomplished? Can you pick your Big Lie and stick with it?