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Registration of firearms leads to confiscation

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Your post fails as a slippery slope fallacy because it’s baseless speculation.

Lying about something that ‘might’ happen doesn’t mean it will happen.

As for O’Rourke, he’s a single individual expressing a subjective, personal opinion – he neither ‘represents’ the ‘left’ nor ‘speaks’ for the ‘left’ – to claim otherwise is a classic hasty generalization fallacy.

Firearms have been registered for decades – and not once has there been a case of ‘confiscation’ the result of registration.

Moreover, government cannot confiscate private property absent due process and just compensation.

There are well over 300 million guns in the United States – it would be impossible to adjudicate and compensate for every firearm, the process would last centuries.

To avoid Fifth Amendment Takings Clause court challenges, government would need to pass legislation making the possession of firearms illegal – with firearms rendered as contraband, the Fifth Amendment would no longer apply.

But legislation making the possession of firearms illegal would be pointless – the courts would invalidate such a measure pursuant to Heller/McDonald.

And with legislation making the possession of firearms illegal invalidated, the Fifth Amendment comes back in play.

This is why the notion of firearms being ‘confiscated’ is a lie; as ridiculous as it is wrongheaded.

Your post fails an an appeal to hysterics, fallacy. You failed to note that my post wrote out specifically, “Registration would be an obvious first step used by the left to identify firearms owners and to use that information for their hoped-for, Beto O'rourke style confiscation program.”

Nothing in my post speaks to absolutes. That’s in contrast to you insisting you know with certainty that registration cannot lead to confiscation. That is something you obviously cannot know with certainty.

While a repeal of the 2nd Amendment is highly unlikely, we know from the leftist politburo mouthpieces that such a repeal would be enabled and welcomed by leftists and their Constitution loathing minions.
 

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The thread premise is still a lie and wrong.

Registration doesn’t result in ‘confiscation.’

No guns in New York are being ‘confiscated.’

The thread premise is more rightwing demagoguery and dishonesty.

Except in France, Russia, Britain, New Zealand, Australia, Germany, Cuba….
 
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Your post fails as a slippery slope fallacy because it’s baseless speculation.

Lying about something that ‘might’ happen doesn’t mean it will happen.

As for O’Rourke, he’s a single individual expressing a subjective, personal opinion – he neither ‘represents’ the ‘left’ nor ‘speaks’ for the ‘left’ – to claim otherwise is a classic hasty generalization fallacy.

Firearms have been registered for decades – and not once has there been a case of ‘confiscation’ the result of registration.

Moreover, government cannot confiscate private property absent due process and just compensation.

There are well over 300 million guns in the United States – it would be impossible to adjudicate and compensate for every firearm, the process would last centuries.

To avoid Fifth Amendment Takings Clause court challenges, government would need to pass legislation making the possession of firearms illegal – with firearms rendered as contraband, the Fifth Amendment would no longer apply.

But legislation making the possession of firearms illegal would be pointless – the courts would invalidate such a measure pursuant to Heller/McDonald.

And with legislation making the possession of firearms illegal invalidated, the Fifth Amendment comes back in play.

This is why the notion of firearms being ‘confiscated’ is a lie; as ridiculous as it is wrongheaded.
 
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Again, conservatives know that it’s a lie, that registration doesn’t result in ‘confiscation.’

Conservatives will propagate the lie regardless.

And it’s very much about conservatives – the right’s lies about ‘confiscation’ are the same lies about elections being ‘stolen’ and lies about an ‘open border’; it’s who and what conservatives are: liars and dishonest.
 

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Lying about guns isn’t the only things conservatives lie about.

Lying about guns is consistent with conservatives’ comprehensive dishonesty.

Topics on this very forum are proof of that.

In addition to conservatives lying about the election being ‘stolen’ and ‘open borders,’

Conservatives lied about IRS agents ‘spying’ on Americans.

Conservatives lied about COVID-19 vaccinations.

Conservatives lied about Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson being ‘lenient’ on child pornography.

Conservatives lied about non-existent ‘voter fraud.’

And this just scratches the surface.
Lying about guns isn’t the only things conservatives lie about.
their lying is no worse than what democrats put out.
 
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their lying is no worse than what democrats put out.
Their are no lies coming from conservatives about guns when it comes to democrats. I just posted two links about new York confiscating thousands of guns. Now how many of those guns were legally purchased and made illegal because of new York's gun laws?
 
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Your post fails an an appeal to hysterics, fallacy. You failed to note that my post wrote out specifically, “Registration would be an obvious first step used by the left to identify firearms owners and to use that information for their hoped-for, Beto O'rourke style confiscation program.”

Nothing in my post speaks to absolutes. That’s in contrast to you insisting you know with certainty that registration cannot lead to confiscation. That is something you obviously cannot know with certainty.

While a repeal of the 2nd Amendment is highly unlikely, we know from the leftist politburo mouthpieces that such a repeal would be enabled and welcomed by leftists and their Constitution loathing minions.
Great response, and correct.
 

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Registration would be an obvious first step used by the left to identify firearms owners and to use that information for their hoped-for, Beto O'rourke style confiscation program.

We see how incompetent leftists are with keeping personal information, private.

Don't give me this "leftist" crap. Saying "Registration would be an obvious first step used ..... for .... confiscation program" is as ridiculous as saying "the first step to communism is removing guns" or "the first step to revolution is to arm the population". Catchphrases don't impress me.
 

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Don't give me this "leftist" crap. Saying "Registration would be an obvious first step used ..... for .... confiscation program" is as ridiculous as saying "the first step to communism is removing guns" or "the first step to revolution is to arm the population". Catchphrases don't impress me.
You’re not very impressive.
 

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Lying about guns isn’t the only things conservatives lie about.

Lying about guns is consistent with conservatives’ comprehensive dishonesty.

Topics on this very forum are proof of that.

In addition to conservatives lying about the election being ‘stolen’ and ‘open borders,’

Conservatives lied about IRS agents ‘spying’ on Americans.

Conservatives lied about COVID-19 vaccinations.

Conservatives lied about Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson being ‘lenient’ on child pornography.

Conservatives lied about non-existent ‘voter fraud.’

And this just scratches the surface.

Off topic.

There is absolutely no reason for the government to know what and how many guns a law abiding citizen owns.
 
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Don't give me this "leftist" crap. Saying "Registration would be an obvious first step used ..... for .... confiscation program" is as ridiculous as saying "the first step to communism is removing guns" or "the first step to revolution is to arm the population". Catchphrases don't impress me.
Well short bus registration does lead to confiscation. It's a historical proven fact. How did Australia do it's mandatory gun buy back?
 

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Off topic.

There is absolutely no reason for the government to know what and how many guns a law abiding citizen owns.
Exactly right..... Unless the government has an Anti-American agenda, then it damned sure doesn't need to be known.
 
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Exactly right..... Unless the government has an Anti-American agenda, then it damned sure doesn't need to be known.
It's all about subjugating the populous
 

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