Regarding government run healthcare, it's really quite simple.

[Wicked Jester]

Medicare = Bankrupt
Medicaid = Bankrupt
Social security = Bankrupt
Fannie Mae = Bankrupt
Freddie Mac = Bankrupt
Canadian Healthcare = Broken
French Healthcare =Broken
Fact is, the government obviously can't run ANTHING effectively. And when you factor in this inept liberal president, his inept liberal administration and, iberal ineptness period, it is a recipe for disaster.
Thankfully, the american people are growing totally against Obama's latest fiasco. And that my friends, is a very good thing!

 

[Jay Canuck]

good thing the Republicans had 8 years to do something about all of that.

 

[Life_Long_Dem!]

Medicare = Bankrupt
Medicaid = Bankrupt
Social security = Bankrupt
Fannie Mae = Bankrupt
Freddie Mac = Bankrupt
Canadian Healthcare = Broken
French Healthcare =Broken
Fact is, the government obviously can't run ANTHING effectively. And when you factor in this inept liberal president, his inept liberal administration and, iberal ineptness period, it is a recipe for disaster.
Thankfully, the american people are growing totally against Obama's latest fiasco. And that my friends, is a very good thing!

France health care-NOT broken...and works so well with private insurers that the top insurer bought an AMERICAN insurance company
Canadian healthcare-NOT Broken
Norway-Works great...costs one third less than US health system...longer life expectancy AND even NON SOCIALISTS like it and wouldnt change it.

 

[elvis]

Medicare = Bankrupt
Medicaid = Bankrupt
Social security = Bankrupt
Fannie Mae = Bankrupt
Freddie Mac = Bankrupt
Canadian Healthcare = Broken
French Healthcare =Broken
Fact is, the government obviously can't run ANTHING effectively. And when you factor in this inept liberal president, his inept liberal administration and, iberal ineptness period, it is a recipe for disaster.
Thankfully, the american people are growing totally against Obama's latest fiasco. And that my friends, is a very good thing!

France health care-NOT broken...and works so well with private insurers that the top insurer bought an AMERICAN insurance company
Canadian healthcare-NOT Broken
Norway-Works great...costs one third less than US health system...longer life expectancy AND even NON SOCIALISTS like it and wouldnt change it.

so move to one of those places, asshole.

 

[Maple]

I think you miss the point Jay, these systems have failed since their inception, no matter who controlled the white house. It's the GOVERNMENT that we don't want running things because they totally screw things up every time they do.

 

[Maple]

information too.

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OVERHAULING HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM TOPS AGENDA AT ANNUAL MEETING OF CANADA'S
DOCTORS

By Jennifer Graham 3 days ago:


SASKATOON- The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care and she adds that physicians from across the country - who will gather in Saskatoon on Sunday for their annual meeting - recognize that changes must be made.

"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doing said in an interview with The Canadian Press.

"We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands."

The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and France.

His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."

In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private health-care delivery within the public system.

He has also said the Canadian system could be restructured to focus on patients if hospitals and other health-care institutions received funding based on the patients they treat, instead of an annual, lump-sum budget. This "activity-based funding" would be an incentive to provide more efficient care, he has said.

Doig says she doesn't know what a proposed "blueprint" toward patient-centred care might look like when the meeting wraps up Wednesday. She'd like to emerge with clear directions about where the association should focus efforts to direct change over the next few years. She also wants to see short-term, medium-term and long-term goals laid out.

"A short-term achievable goal would be to accelerate the process of getting electronic medical records into physicians' offices," she said. "That's one I think ought to be a priority and ought to be achievable."

A long-term goal would be getting health systems "talking to each other," so information can be quickly shared to help patients.

Doig, who has had a full-time family practice in Saskatoon for 30 years, acknowledges that when physicians have talked about changing the health-care system in the past, they've been accused of wanting an American-style structure. She insists that's not the case.

"It's not about choosing between an American system or a Canadian system," said Doig. "The whole thing is about looking at what other people do."

"That's called looking at the evidence, looking at how care is delivered and how care is paid for all around us (and) then saying 'Well, OK, that's good information. How do we make all of that work in the Canadian context? What do the Canadian people want?' "

Doig says there are some "very good things" about Canada's health-care system, but she points out that many people have stories about times when things didn't go well for them or their family.

"(Canadians) have to understand that the system that we have right now - if it keeps on going without change - is not sustainable," said Doig.

"They have to look at the evidence that's being presented and will be presented at (the meeting) and realize what Canada's doctors are trying to tell you, that you can get better care than what you're getting and we all have to participate in the discussion around how do we do that and of course how do we pay for it."

Copyright © 2009 The Canadian Press. All rights reserved.
Related articles
Doctor delegates debate merits of European-style health care
Vancouver Sun - 1 hour ago
Leave universal health care alone
Toronto Star - 10 hours


Hmmmmm and Obama modeled his health care after this plan.

 

[Life_Long_Dem!]

Medicare = Bankrupt
Medicaid = Bankrupt
Social security = Bankrupt
Fannie Mae = Bankrupt
Freddie Mac = Bankrupt
Canadian Healthcare = Broken
French Healthcare =Broken
Fact is, the government obviously can't run ANTHING effectively. And when you factor in this inept liberal president, his inept liberal administration and, iberal ineptness period, it is a recipe for disaster.
Thankfully, the american people are growing totally against Obama's latest fiasco. And that my friends, is a very good thing!

France health care-NOT broken...and works so well with private insurers that the top insurer bought an AMERICAN insurance company
Canadian healthcare-NOT Broken
Norway-Works great...costs one third less than US health system...longer life expectancy AND even NON SOCIALISTS like it and wouldnt change it.

so move to one of those places, asshole.

whats a matter..cant handle the truth so you resort to petty name calling and the over cliched move there then response?

 

[Jay Canuck]

so if it's broken don't fix it? yeah.... sounds like a good plan!

 

[elvis]

France health care-NOT broken...and works so well with private insurers that the top insurer bought an AMERICAN insurance company
Canadian healthcare-NOT Broken
Norway-Works great...costs one third less than US health system...longer life expectancy AND even NON SOCIALISTS like it and wouldnt change it.

so move to one of those places, asshole.

whats a matter..cant handle the truth so you resort to petty name calling and the over cliched move there then response?

no. I'm calling you an asshole, because you are an asshole. I don't want socialism here, ok jackass? Sorry I won't worship your Ossiah.

 

[Wicked Jester]

I have many family in Norway. Visited there just last month. Not one of them is happy with their healthcare.
Canadian and Frances healthcare systems are a joke. Just look at the wait times involved for care. It's a friggin' joke.
Oh well, doesn't really matter now. The american people aren't buying into this B.S.

 

[Jay Canuck]

 

[Jay Canuck]

Wicked Jagoff spoke to every citizen in Norway on his trip.

 

[Luissa]

I have many family in Norway. Visited there just last month. Not one of them is happy with their healthcare.
Canadian and Frances healthcare systems are a joke. Just look at the wait times involved for care. It's a friggin' joke.
Oh well, doesn't really matter now. The american people aren't buying into this B.S.

that's not what they say in France who has the number one rated health care system. Like ours they have a privately and public run health care system.

The French Lesson In Health Care

 

[JakeStarkey]

information too.

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OVERHAULING HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM TOPS AGENDA AT ANNUAL MEETING OF CANADA'S
DOCTORS

By Jennifer Graham 3 days ago:


SASKATOON- The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care and she adds that physicians from across the country - who will gather in Saskatoon on Sunday for their annual meeting - recognize that changes must be made.

"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doing said in an interview with The Canadian Press.

"We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands."

The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and France.

His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."

In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private health-care delivery within the public system.

He has also said the Canadian system could be restructured to focus on patients if hospitals and other health-care institutions received funding based on the patients they treat, instead of an annual, lump-sum budget. This "activity-based funding" would be an incentive to provide more efficient care, he has said.

Doig says she doesn't know what a proposed "blueprint" toward patient-centred care might look like when the meeting wraps up Wednesday. She'd like to emerge with clear directions about where the association should focus efforts to direct change over the next few years. She also wants to see short-term, medium-term and long-term goals laid out.

"A short-term achievable goal would be to accelerate the process of getting electronic medical records into physicians' offices," she said. "That's one I think ought to be a priority and ought to be achievable."

A long-term goal would be getting health systems "talking to each other," so information can be quickly shared to help patients.

Doig, who has had a full-time family practice in Saskatoon for 30 years, acknowledges that when physicians have talked about changing the health-care system in the past, they've been accused of wanting an American-style structure. She insists that's not the case.

"It's not about choosing between an American system or a Canadian system," said Doig. "The whole thing is about looking at what other people do."

"That's called looking at the evidence, looking at how care is delivered and how care is paid for all around us (and) then saying 'Well, OK, that's good information. How do we make all of that work in the Canadian context? What do the Canadian people want?' "

Doig says there are some "very good things" about Canada's health-care system, but she points out that many people have stories about times when things didn't go well for them or their family.

"(Canadians) have to understand that the system that we have right now - if it keeps on going without change - is not sustainable," said Doig.

"They have to look at the evidence that's being presented and will be presented at (the meeting) and realize what Canada's doctors are trying to tell you, that you can get better care than what you're getting and we all have to participate in the discussion around how do we do that and of course how do we pay for it."

Copyright © 2009 The Canadian Press. All rights reserved.
Related articles
Doctor delegates debate merits of European-style health care
Vancouver Sun - 1 hour ago
Leave universal health care alone
Toronto Star - 10 hours


Hmmmmm and Obama modeled his health care after this plan.

The meeting is a whacko outfit of doctors who want to make more money by telling lies and scaring people. They are being generally ignored by folks who know the real deal.

 

[Life_Long_Dem!]

information too.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

OVERHAULING HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM TOPS AGENDA AT ANNUAL MEETING OF CANADA'S
DOCTORS

By Jennifer Graham 3 days ago:


SASKATOON- The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care and she adds that physicians from across the country - who will gather in Saskatoon on Sunday for their annual meeting - recognize that changes must be made.

"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doing said in an interview with The Canadian Press.

"We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands."

The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and France.

His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."

In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private health-care delivery within the public system.

He has also said the Canadian system could be restructured to focus on patients if hospitals and other health-care institutions received funding based on the patients they treat, instead of an annual, lump-sum budget. This "activity-based funding" would be an incentive to provide more efficient care, he has said.

Doig says she doesn't know what a proposed "blueprint" toward patient-centred care might look like when the meeting wraps up Wednesday. She'd like to emerge with clear directions about where the association should focus efforts to direct change over the next few years. She also wants to see short-term, medium-term and long-term goals laid out.

"A short-term achievable goal would be to accelerate the process of getting electronic medical records into physicians' offices," she said. "That's one I think ought to be a priority and ought to be achievable."

A long-term goal would be getting health systems "talking to each other," so information can be quickly shared to help patients.

Doig, who has had a full-time family practice in Saskatoon for 30 years, acknowledges that when physicians have talked about changing the health-care system in the past, they've been accused of wanting an American-style structure. She insists that's not the case.

"It's not about choosing between an American system or a Canadian system," said Doig. "The whole thing is about looking at what other people do."

"That's called looking at the evidence, looking at how care is delivered and how care is paid for all around us (and) then saying 'Well, OK, that's good information. How do we make all of that work in the Canadian context? What do the Canadian people want?' "

Doig says there are some "very good things" about Canada's health-care system, but she points out that many people have stories about times when things didn't go well for them or their family.

"(Canadians) have to understand that the system that we have right now - if it keeps on going without change - is not sustainable," said Doig.

"They have to look at the evidence that's being presented and will be presented at (the meeting) and realize what Canada's doctors are trying to tell you, that you can get better care than what you're getting and we all have to participate in the discussion around how do we do that and of course how do we pay for it."

Copyright © 2009 The Canadian Press. All rights reserved.
Related articles
Doctor delegates debate merits of European-style health care
Vancouver Sun - 1 hour ago
Leave universal health care alone
Toronto Star - 10 hours


Hmmmmm and Obama modeled his health care after this plan.

The meeting is a whacko outfit of doctors who want to make more money by telling lies and scaring people. They are being generally ignored by folks who know the real deal.

yet to the anti reformers and insurance folk that is supposedly the "norm" all over not the minority issue...to me its all propaganda and fear and I choose to believe the TRUE facts and those are that it works in other countries and source after source after source that is neither right or left slanted will tell it that way.

 

[Luissa]

Health Care Lessons From France : NPR

"Americans assume that if it's in Europe, which France is, that it's socialized medicine," he says. "The French don't consider their system socialized. In fact, they detest socialized medicine. For the French, that's the British, that's the Canadians. It's not the French system."
France, like the United States, relies on both private insurance and government insurance. Also, just like in America, people generally get their insurance through their employer.
In France, everyone has health care. However, unlike in Britain and Canada, there are no waiting lists to get elective surgery or see a specialist, Dutton says.


Wow! now wait time to get elective surgerory.

France's Model Healthcare, France health care system
Moreover, in contrast to Canada and Britain, there are no waiting lists for elective procedures and patients need not seek pre-authorizations. In other words, like in the United States, "rationing" is not a word that leaves the lips of hopeful politicians. How might the French case inform the US debate over healthcare reform?

National health insurance in France stands upon two grand historical bargains -- the first with doctors and a second with insurers.

Doctors only agreed to participate in compulsory health insurance if the law protected a patient's choice of practitioner and guaranteed physicians' control over medical decision-making. Given their current frustrations, America's doctors might finally be convinced to throw their support behind universal health insurance if it protected their professional judgment and created a sane system of billing and reimbursement.

 

[Immanuel]

Medicare = Bankrupt
Medicaid = Bankrupt
Social security = Bankrupt
Fannie Mae = Bankrupt
Freddie Mac = Bankrupt
Canadian Healthcare = Broken
French Healthcare =Broken
Fact is, the government obviously can't run ANTHING effectively. And when you factor in this inept liberal president, his inept liberal administration and, iberal ineptness period, it is a recipe for disaster.
Thankfully, the american people are growing totally against Obama's latest fiasco. And that my friends, is a very good thing!

France health care-NOT broken...and works so well with private insurers that the top insurer bought an AMERICAN insurance company
Canadian healthcare-NOT Broken
Norway-Works great...costs one third less than US health system...longer life expectancy AND even NON SOCIALISTS like it and wouldnt change it.

Who cares about the Canadian, French or Norwegian Healthcare Systems. Those first five items ought to tell us something about our own government's abilities to handle such an endeavour.

Quite frankly, France's system may be 1,000 times better than Americas today, but that doesn't mean our government can successfully implement socialized medicine in America.

Immie

 

[Againsheila]

Medicare = Bankrupt
Medicaid = Bankrupt
Social security = Bankrupt
Fannie Mae = Bankrupt
Freddie Mac = Bankrupt
Canadian Healthcare = Broken
French Healthcare =Broken
Fact is, the government obviously can't run ANTHING effectively. And when you factor in this inept liberal president, his inept liberal administration and, iberal ineptness period, it is a recipe for disaster.
Thankfully, the american people are growing totally against Obama's latest fiasco. And that my friends, is a very good thing!

France health care-NOT broken...and works so well with private insurers that the top insurer bought an AMERICAN insurance company
Canadian healthcare-NOT Broken
Norway-Works great...costs one third less than US health system...longer life expectancy AND even NON SOCIALISTS like it and wouldnt change it.

so move to one of those places, asshole.

They won't let us....ours is the only country in the world that takes in immigrants to fight for jobs against our own people.

 

[Luissa]

France health care-NOT broken...and works so well with private insurers that the top insurer bought an AMERICAN insurance company
Canadian healthcare-NOT Broken
Norway-Works great...costs one third less than US health system...longer life expectancy AND even NON SOCIALISTS like it and wouldnt change it.

so move to one of those places, asshole.

They won't let us....ours is the only country in the world that takes in immigrants to fight for jobs against our own people.

actually if you move to France and have health problem they will treat you. Shit, you don't even have to move to Cuba and they will treat you.

 

[Againsheila]

so move to one of those places, asshole.

They won't let us....ours is the only country in the world that takes in immigrants to fight for jobs against our own people.

actually if you move to France and have health problem they will treat you. Shit, you don't even have to move to Cuba and they will treat you.

France will not let you legally move there...not unless you already have money and/or a doctorate.