Rabbis forced the Romans to crucify Jesus

[irosie91]

Jesus didn't rebel against Rome. In fact, if you read the Sermon on the Mount he is teaching the people how to cope with the Roman occupation and shame the enemy.

oh ----ok ---so your sunday school teacher told you that Jesus was
crucified by "the rabbis" for blasphemy against them

Maybe they just aren't as famous as the Sermon on the Mount. Before the Romans there were Greeks, Persians and Babylonians.

who is "THEY" in your statement?

 

[surada]

oh ----ok ---so your sunday school teacher told you that Jesus was
crucified by "the rabbis" for blasphemy against them

who is "THEY" in your statement?

"They" is referencing your earlier post.

The Rabbis didn't crucify Jesus.. Nobody teaches that in Sunday School.

 

[irosie91]

"They" is referencing your earlier post.

The Rabbis didn't crucify Jesus.. Nobody teaches that in Sunday School.

right-----it was those jewish soldiers in the Roman army. I attended
Sunday School as a child-----where it was very CLEARLY taught
THE JEWS KILLED JESUS ---and chanted on the
playground. I also colored endless
cartoons of Jesus holding a lamb.
So---the only sunday school error is
JEWISH SOLDIERS not RABBIS

 

[surada]

right-----it was those jewish soldiers in the Roman army. I attended
Sunday School as a child-----where it was very CLEARLY taught
THE JEWS KILLED JESUS ---and chanted on the
playground. I also colored endless
cartoons of Jesus holding a lamb.
So---the only sunday school error is
JEWISH SOLDIERS not RABBIS

You must have lived in a very ignorant town. I have NEVER heard such nonsense.

 

[irosie91]

You must have lived in a very ignorant town. I have NEVER heard such nonsense.

I grew up in a very christian town---with a history that goes back
prior to the revolutionary war. Lots of churches of various
denominations---some very old. Jews were new to the town and
the only objects of the "you killed jesus" jingles. Were you ever
a member of a scattered minority jewish community living in a largely christian town? "very ignorant town" ? Sunday was a
holiday-----bunches of little girls in hats and white gloves. Nice
library. Where would a five year old pick up "you killed Jesus" ?
-----and even "He would still be alive today if you didn't kill him"
the first song I learned was "awaaaay in the maaaaanger......."

 

[surada]

I grew up in a very christian town---with a history that goes back
prior to the revolutionary war. Lots of churches of various
denominations---some very old. Jews were new to the town and
the only objects of the "you killed jesus" jingles. Were you ever
a member of a scattered minority jewish community living in a largely christian town? "very ignorant town" ? Sunday was a
holiday-----bunches of little girls in hats and white gloves. Nice
library. Where would a five year old pick up "you killed Jesus" ?
-----and even "He would still be alive today if you didn't kill him"
the first song I learned was "awaaaay in the maaaaanger......."

Charleston has Jewish families who have been there more than 300 years.. You don't get riff raff insulting Jews.

 

[irosie91]

Charleston has Jewish families who have been there more than 300 years.. You don't get riff raff insulting Jews.

the charleston EPISCOPALIANS must have gotten used to their
jews. My little waspy town had christians from various parts of
old time christendom. The Lutherans sang O'tannenbaum, the Irish
attended catholic school, scots spoke with rolling r's and said las and laddie and "wee" and the rest of them called the Italians
"WOPS" Like the jewish women---the Italian women did not drink
beer. There were a few persons with extra lines on their crosses
from the balkans but no extra line churches

 

[irosie91]

Why are you reliving ancient history? Evidently the Jews considered Jesus a blasphemer. The Jewish people were very fractured in the first century .. fighting each other and the Romans.

You had Essenes, Pharisees, Sadducees, Herodians, Zealots and Sicarri.

In any case, Jesus did not live up to the anointed Jewish warrior king who would vanquish the enemies of the Jews.

Surada's assertion "Evidently THE JEWS considered Jesus a blasphemer....." has no basis in history. It is learned in the same
manner that christian children have been taught that the talmud is a book of "sorcery" and "control banking" This bit of idiocy is
SUPPOSED to explain why the Sanhedrin condemned Jesus to death---which also has no basis in history------the HACK regarding that one is
the idiot idea that Jews were UNABLE to kill anyone, so the romans,
OBLIGINGLY did their dirty work. The messiah is not an obligatory
"warrior king" ----another fantasy

 

[surada]

Surada's assertion "Evidently THE JEWS considered Jesus a blasphemer....." has no basis in history. It is learned in the same
manner that christian children have been taught that the talmud is a book of "sorcery" and "control banking" This bit of idiocy is
SUPPOSED to explain why the Sanhedrin condemned Jesus to death---which also has no basis in history------the HACK regarding that one is
the idiot idea that Jews were UNABLE to kill anyone, so the romans,
OBLIGINGLY did their dirty work. The messiah is not an obligatory
"warrior king" ----another fantasy

(Caiaphas was head of the Sanhedrin for 18 years or so.. He must have been fairly tight with the Romans)

Who Was Caiaphas? High Priest at the Time of Jesus

Get to Know Caiaphas, High Priest of the Jerusalem Temple

Caiaphas, the high priest in the Jerusalem temple, was a co-conspirator in Jesus Christ's death. See why he decided that Jesus had to die.

www.learnreligions.com

Mar 04, 2021 · Caiaphas. Also Known as: Called Joseph Caiaphas by the historian Flavius Josephus. Known for: Caiaphas served as the Jewish high priest in the Jerusalem temple and president of the Sanhedrin at the time of Jesus Christ’s death. Caiaphas accused Jesus of blasphemy, which led to his death sentence by crucifixion.

 

[irosie91]

(Caiaphas was head of the Sanhedrin for 18 years or so.. He must have been fairly tight with the Romans)

Who Was Caiaphas? High Priest at the Time of Jesus

Get to Know Caiaphas, High Priest of the Jerusalem Temple

Caiaphas, the high priest in the Jerusalem temple, was a co-conspirator in Jesus Christ's death. See why he decided that Jesus had to die.

www.learnreligions.com

Mar 04, 2021 · Caiaphas. Also Known as: Called Joseph Caiaphas by the historian Flavius Josephus. Known for: Caiaphas served as the Jewish high priest in the Jerusalem temple and president of the Sanhedrin at the time of Jesus Christ’s death. Caiaphas accused Jesus of blasphemy, which led to his death sentence by crucifixion.

Surada lied.

(Caiaphas was head of the Sanhedrin for 18 years or so.. He must have been fairly tight with the Romans)

Who Was Caiaphas? High Priest at the Time of Jesus

Get to Know Caiaphas, High Priest of the Jerusalem Temple

Caiaphas, the high priest in the Jerusalem temple, was a co-conspirator in Jesus Christ's death. See why he decided that Jesus had to die.

www.learnreligions.com

Mar 04, 2021 · Caiaphas. Also Known as: Called Joseph Caiaphas by the historian Flavius Josephus. Known for: Caiaphas served as the Jewish high priest in the Jerusalem temple and president of the Sanhedrin at the time of Jesus Christ’s death. Caiaphas accused Jesus of blasphemy, which led to his death sentence by crucifixion.

Saruda is quoting islamo nazi propaganda. Of course she leaves out the REAL FACT that Caiaphas was a ROMAN APPOINTEE and utterly
despised (to this day) by main stream pharisees jews. Is anyone surprised? Her article claims that the Sanhedrin COULD NOT sentence anyone to death-----actually that is another islamo nazi lie. Maimonides was a smart guy---he once said (approx) "be careful of that which you write. There are people (aka assholes) who believe
anything written" There is an extensive islamo nazi literature---saruda might just as well have quoted mien kampf and the koran or
AYATOILET KHOMEINI

 

[USAF 2023]

(Caiaphas was head of the Sanhedrin for 18 years or so.. He must have been fairly tight with the Romans)

Who Was Caiaphas? High Priest at the Time of Jesus

Get to Know Caiaphas, High Priest of the Jerusalem Temple

Caiaphas, the high priest in the Jerusalem temple, was a co-conspirator in Jesus Christ's death. See why he decided that Jesus had to die.

www.learnreligions.com

Mar 04, 2021 · Caiaphas. Also Known as: Called Joseph Caiaphas by the historian Flavius Josephus. Known for: Caiaphas served as the Jewish high priest in the Jerusalem temple and president of the Sanhedrin at the time of Jesus Christ’s death. Caiaphas accused Jesus of blasphemy, which led to his death sentence by crucifixion.

Have a question; Who cares? Playing devils advocate, let’s say your “ claim” is true. Wasn’t that his “ father’s” reason for putting him on this earth?
You are accusing the Jews of being responsible for your “ saviors” death. The Church doesn’t change its stripes

 

[irosie91]

Have a question; Who cares? Playing devils advocate, let’s say your “ claim” is true. Wasn’t that his “ father’s” reason for putting him on this earth?
You are accusing the Jews of being responsible for your “ saviors” death. The Church doesn’t change its stripes

Muslims and arabists and baathist pigs DECIDED to adopt the official "da jooos killed christ" stance fairly recently. But this accomodation
does not alter the basic "ENEMEEEEES OF ISLAAAAM" spit on
christians ----along with jews, hindus, buddhists etc etc and even the islamic "FACT" that the entire NT is a fraud trope farted out in mosques ----incessantly

 

[USAF 2023]

Muslims and arabists and baathist pigs DECIDED to adopt the official "da jooos killed christ" stance fairly recently. But this accomodation
does not alter the basic "ENEMEEEEES OF ISLAAAAM" spit on
christians ----along with jews, hindus, buddhists etc etc and even the islamic "FACT" that the entire NT is a fraud trope farted out in mosques ----incessantly

“Christians” have been pushing this lie for over 2000 years yet she accuses me of calling people Antisemetic?

 

[irosie91]

“Christians” have been pushing this lie for over 2000 years yet she accuses me of calling people Antisemetic?

Saruda is a true daughter of the HOLEY ROMAN EMPIRE. It is true
that the holey romans gave up feeding people to lions----sometime
in their christian history-----but they never did give up
torture and murder expositions for millennia . Of
course, constantine HAD TO throw in the very christian idea that
the jews attended the Roman mass crucifixion galas with the same
ECSTATIC joy that the "vestal virgins" watched gladiators
murder each other as a smokescreen over those roman customs

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

My confession

My mother gave me a King James Bible when I was a child. Seventy-one (71) years later I still have it. My bible has numerous marker tags highlighting what I found interesting and worth reminding me of for future review.

I began by reading the New Testament which is full of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus taught us how to be kind to others, as in the stranger but most of all Jesus used the Book of Ezekiel one of the major prophetic books in the Old Testament. It records six visions of the prophet Ezekiel, exiled in Babylon, during the 22 years from 593 to 571 BC.

The visions, and the book, are structured around three themes: (1) Judgment on Israel (chapters 1–24); (2) Judgment on the nations (chapters 25–32); and (3) Future blessings for Israel (chapters 33–48). Its themes include the concepts of the presence of God, purity, Israel as a divine community, and individual responsibility to God.
Book of Ezekiel - Wikipedia

During this period Jerusalem was under the rule of the Romans which the local community strongly rejected.

More famous Jewish teachers come from Galilee than anywhere else in the world. They were known for their great reverence for Scripture and the passionate desire to be faithful to it. This translated into vibrant religious communities, devoted to strong families, their country, whose synagogues echoed the debate and discussions about keeping the Torah. They resisted the pagan influences of Hellenism far more than did their Judean counterparts. When the great revolt against the pagan Romans and their collaborators (66-74 AD) finally occurred, it began among the Galileans.

That the World May Know | Rabbi and Talmidim

in Palestine there were a number of occasions when more restless elements in the population resisted Roman abuses and followed the tradition of “zealousness for the Law.”

under the Romans (ruled 37-4 B.C.E.). Herod surrounded himself with Greek scholars and undertook many building projects, including a magnificent and fortified palace. He rebuilt the Temple in Jerusalem.

Before he died, Jesus of Nazareth was born.

Life for the Jews under the procurators was exceedingly difficult. This protrait is confirmed by the Jewish historian Josephus who chronicled a number of events that provoked the Jews under Pilate and other procurators, leading to riots, beatings, and executions.

The last procurators in particular were indifferent to Jewish religious sensibilities; and various patriotic groups, to whom nationalism was an integral part of their religion, succeeded in polarizing the Jewish population and bringing on the first war with Rome in 66. The climax of the war, as noted earlier, was the destruction of the Temple in 70, though, according to Josephus, Titus sought to spare it.

Bar Kokhba Revolt, also called Second Jewish Revolt, (132–135 CE), Jewish rebellion against Roman rule in Judaea. The revolt was preceded by years of clashes between Jews and Romans in the area.
Bar Kokhba Revolt | History & Facts | Britannica

The history of the Jews in the Roman Empire

Rebellion in Judaea
Although Judaea was ruled by the Romans, the governors there had practiced the same kind of religious tolerance as was shown to Jews in Rome. However, Roman tactlessness and inefficiency, along with famine and internal squabbles, led to a rise in Jewish discontent.

In 66 AD, this discontent exploded into open rebellion. Four years later, the Roman army had crushed the revolt, but had also destroyed the temple. The sacred treasures were seized and shown off in a procession through the streets of Rome.
The Roman Empire: in the First Century. The Roman Empire. Jews In Roman Times | PBS

The history of Palestine is the study of the past in the region of Palestine, defined as the territory between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River (where Israel and Palestine are today). Strategically situated between three continents, Palestine has a tumultuous history as a crossroads for religion, culture, commerce, and politics. Palestine is the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity and has been controlled by many kingdoms and powers, including Ancient Egypt, Persia, Alexander the Great and his successors, the Roman Empire, several Muslim dynasties, and the Crusaders. In modern times, the area was ruled by the Ottoman Empire.

The region was among the earliest in the world to see human habitation, agricultural communities and civilization. The Canaanites established independent city-states that were influenced by the surrounding civilizations, among them Egypt, which ruled the area in the Late Bronze Age. The Assyrians conquered Palestine in the 8th century BCE, then the Babylonians in c. 601 BCE, followed by the Persians who conquered the Babylonian Empire in 539 BCE. Alexander the Great conquered Palestine in the late 330s BCE, beginning a long period of Hellenization. In the late 2nd century BCE, the semi-independent Hasmonean kingdom conquered most of Palestine but the kingdom gradually became a vassal of Rome, which annexed Palestine in 63 BCE. Roman rule was troubled by Jewish rebellions, which Rome answered with by destroying the Jews' temple.

In the late 2nd century BCE, the semi-independent Hasmonean kingdom conquered most of Palestine but the kingdom gradually became a vassal of Rome, which annexed Palestine in 63 BCE. Roman rule was troubled by Jewish rebellions, which Rome answered with by destroying the Jews' temple.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia

The crucifixion of Jesus occurred in 1st-century Judea, most likely in either AD 30 or AD 33. Jesus' crucifixion is described in the four canonical gospels, referred to in the New Testament epistles, attested to by other ancient sources, and is established as a historical event confirmed by non-Christian sources.According to the canonical gospels, Jesus was arrested and tried by the Sanhedrin, and then sentenced by Pontius Pilate to be scourged.

View attachment 501331
Sanhedrin Court
Jesus was stripped of his clothing and offered vinegar mixed with myrrh or gall to drink after saying "I am thirsty". He was then hung between two convicted thieves and, according to the Gospel of Mark, died by the 9th hour of the day (at around 3:00 p.m.). During this time, the soldiers affixed a sign to the top of the cross stating "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews" which, according to the Gospel of John (John 19:20), was written in three languages (Hebrew, Latin, and Greek). They then divided his garments among themselves and cast lots for his seamless robe, according to the Gospel of John. According to the Gospel of John, after Jesus' death, one soldier (named in extra-Biblical tradition as Longinus) pierced his side with a spear to be certain that he had died, then blood and water gushed from the wound. The Bible describes seven statements that Jesus made while he was on the cross, as well as several supernatural events that occurred.

View attachment 501332
Crucifixion of Jesus - Wikipedia

In the canonical gospels, Pilate's court refers to the trial of Jesus in praetorium before Pontius Pilate, preceded by the Sanhedrin Trial. In the Gospel of Luke, Pilate finds that Jesus, being from Galilee, belonged to Herod Antipas' jurisdiction, and so he decides to send Jesus to Herod. After questioning Jesus and receiving very few replies, Herod sees Jesus as no threat and returns him to Pilate.
View attachment 501333 View attachment 501334
In all four gospels, the Denial of Peter functions as an intermission during the Sanhedrin trial, while Matthew adds an intermission during the trial before Pilate that narrates the suicide of Judas Iscariot.

At the time Jerusalem was part of Roman Judea, the charges of the Sanhedrin against Jesus held no power before Pilate. He was therefore not a political threat and could be seen as innocent of such a charge. [Jn. 18:36]

Stepping back outside, Pilate publicly declared that he found no basis to charge Jesus,
Pilate's court - Wikipedia

Early in the morning the chief priests (Rabbis)and elders planned to have Jesus executed.

Thirty pieces of silver was the price for which Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus, according to an account in the Gospel of Matthew 26:15 in the New Testament. Before the Last Supper, Judas is said to have gone to the chief priests and agreed to hand over Jesus in exchange for 30 silver coins, and to have attempted to return the money afterwards, filled with remorse.

Pilate explained the amnesty vote and asked: 'Do you want me to release 'the king of the Jews'?'

Chief priests (Rabbis) and officials shouted: 'Crucify! Crucify!' Pilate: 'Go ahead and crucify him. [Pilate says] I myself find no guilt in him.' Jewish leaders: 'Our law says he must die because he claimed to be the Son of God.'

Pilate, interrogated Jesus inside. Pilate tried to set Jesus free.
Jewish leaders: (Rabbis) If you let him go, you disobey Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar.'
Pilate brought out Jesus around noon, saying: 'Here is your king.' They [Jewish leaders] shouted: 'Take him away, crucify him!'
Pilate: 'Shall I crucify your king?' Chief priests: 'We have no king but Caesar.'

Pilate handed Jesus over to them for crucifixion.

Early in the morning Jesus was taken to Pilate by the Jewish leaders (Rabbis)

Pilate, inside: 'Are you the king of the Jews?' Jesus: 'My kingdom is not of this world, otherwise my servants would have fought to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders.'

Pilate: 'You are a king, then!' Jesus: 'You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.' Pilate: 'What is truth?'

Pilate, outside: 'I find no guilt in him.'

by the Jewish leaders under Pilate

In the New Testament, the Sanhedrin trial of Jesus refers to the trial of Jesus before the Sanhedrin (a Jewish judicial body) following his arrest in Jerusalem and prior to the trial before Pontius Pilate. It is an incident reported by all three Synoptic Gospels of the New Testament, while John's Gospel refers to a preliminary inquiry before Annas. The gospel accounts vary on a number of details.

Jesus is generally quiet, does not mount a defense, and rarely responds to the accusations, and is found guilty of various offenses: violating the Sabbath law (by healing on the Sabbath), threatening to destroy the Jewish Temple, practicing sorcery, exorcising people by the power of demons, and claiming to be the Messiah. He is then taken to Pontius Pilate, the governor of Roman Judaea, to be tried for claiming to be the King of the Jews.
Sanhedrin trial of Jesus - Wikipedia

Thereafter, in Pilate's Court, the Jewish elders (Rabbis) ask Pontius Pilate to judge and condemn Jesus, accusing him of claiming to be the King of the Jews. Such a claim would be considered treasonous, for being a direct challenge to the Roman authorities.

Rabbis forced the Romans to crucify Jesus
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Yes. Rabbis influenced by the earth loving Satan. Satan was hoping to imprison the Unseen Father. `1 Peter 3:19- 20, KJV. That would have happened had Jesus sinned. Satan would have taken the throne that Jesus sits on. That throne has a rainbow around it likened unto emerald stone.

 

[irosie91]

Yes. Rabbis influenced by the earth loving Satan. Satan was hoping to imprison the Unseen Father. `1 Peter 3:19- 20, KJV. That would have happened had Jesus sinned. Satan would have taken the throne that Jesus sits on. That throne has a rainbow around it likened unto emerald stone.

sunday school coloring book?

 

[beautress]

My confession

My mother gave me a King James Bible when I was a child. Seventy-one (71) years later I still have it. My bible has numerous marker tags highlighting what I found interesting and worth reminding me of for future review.

I began by reading the New Testament which is full of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus taught us how to be kind to others, as in the stranger but most of all Jesus used the Book of Ezekiel one of the major prophetic books in the Old Testament. It records six visions of the prophet Ezekiel, exiled in Babylon, during the 22 years from 593 to 571 BC.

The visions, and the book, are structured around three themes: (1) Judgment on Israel (chapters 1–24); (2) Judgment on the nations (chapters 25–32); and (3) Future blessings for Israel (chapters 33–48). Its themes include the concepts of the presence of God, purity, Israel as a divine community, and individual responsibility to God.
Book of Ezekiel - Wikipedia

During this period Jerusalem was under the rule of the Romans which the local community strongly rejected.

More famous Jewish teachers come from Galilee than anywhere else in the world. They were known for their great reverence for Scripture and the passionate desire to be faithful to it. This translated into vibrant religious communities, devoted to strong families, their country, whose synagogues echoed the debate and discussions about keeping the Torah. They resisted the pagan influences of Hellenism far more than did their Judean counterparts. When the great revolt against the pagan Romans and their collaborators (66-74 AD) finally occurred, it began among the Galileans.

That the World May Know | Rabbi and Talmidim

in Palestine there were a number of occasions when more restless elements in the population resisted Roman abuses and followed the tradition of “zealousness for the Law.”

under the Romans (ruled 37-4 B.C.E.). Herod surrounded himself with Greek scholars and undertook many building projects, including a magnificent and fortified palace. He rebuilt the Temple in Jerusalem.

Before he died, Jesus of Nazareth was born.

Life for the Jews under the procurators was exceedingly difficult. This protrait is confirmed by the Jewish historian Josephus who chronicled a number of events that provoked the Jews under Pilate and other procurators, leading to riots, beatings, and executions.

The last procurators in particular were indifferent to Jewish religious sensibilities; and various patriotic groups, to whom nationalism was an integral part of their religion, succeeded in polarizing the Jewish population and bringing on the first war with Rome in 66. The climax of the war, as noted earlier, was the destruction of the Temple in 70, though, according to Josephus, Titus sought to spare it.

Bar Kokhba Revolt, also called Second Jewish Revolt, (132–135 CE), Jewish rebellion against Roman rule in Judaea. The revolt was preceded by years of clashes between Jews and Romans in the area.
Bar Kokhba Revolt | History & Facts | Britannica

The history of the Jews in the Roman Empire

Rebellion in Judaea
Although Judaea was ruled by the Romans, the governors there had practiced the same kind of religious tolerance as was shown to Jews in Rome. However, Roman tactlessness and inefficiency, along with famine and internal squabbles, led to a rise in Jewish discontent.

In 66 AD, this discontent exploded into open rebellion. Four years later, the Roman army had crushed the revolt, but had also destroyed the temple. The sacred treasures were seized and shown off in a procession through the streets of Rome.
The Roman Empire: in the First Century. The Roman Empire. Jews In Roman Times | PBS

The history of Palestine is the study of the past in the region of Palestine, defined as the territory between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River (where Israel and Palestine are today). Strategically situated between three continents, Palestine has a tumultuous history as a crossroads for religion, culture, commerce, and politics. Palestine is the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity and has been controlled by many kingdoms and powers, including Ancient Egypt, Persia, Alexander the Great and his successors, the Roman Empire, several Muslim dynasties, and the Crusaders. In modern times, the area was ruled by the Ottoman Empire.

The region was among the earliest in the world to see human habitation, agricultural communities and civilization. The Canaanites established independent city-states that were influenced by the surrounding civilizations, among them Egypt, which ruled the area in the Late Bronze Age. The Assyrians conquered Palestine in the 8th century BCE, then the Babylonians in c. 601 BCE, followed by the Persians who conquered the Babylonian Empire in 539 BCE. Alexander the Great conquered Palestine in the late 330s BCE, beginning a long period of Hellenization. In the late 2nd century BCE, the semi-independent Hasmonean kingdom conquered most of Palestine but the kingdom gradually became a vassal of Rome, which annexed Palestine in 63 BCE. Roman rule was troubled by Jewish rebellions, which Rome answered with by destroying the Jews' temple.

In the late 2nd century BCE, the semi-independent Hasmonean kingdom conquered most of Palestine but the kingdom gradually became a vassal of Rome, which annexed Palestine in 63 BCE. Roman rule was troubled by Jewish rebellions, which Rome answered with by destroying the Jews' temple.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia

The crucifixion of Jesus occurred in 1st-century Judea, most likely in either AD 30 or AD 33. Jesus' crucifixion is described in the four canonical gospels, referred to in the New Testament epistles, attested to by other ancient sources, and is established as a historical event confirmed by non-Christian sources.According to the canonical gospels, Jesus was arrested and tried by the Sanhedrin, and then sentenced by Pontius Pilate to be scourged.

View attachment 501331
Sanhedrin Court
Jesus was stripped of his clothing and offered vinegar mixed with myrrh or gall to drink after saying "I am thirsty". He was then hung between two convicted thieves and, according to the Gospel of Mark, died by the 9th hour of the day (at around 3:00 p.m.). During this time, the soldiers affixed a sign to the top of the cross stating "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews" which, according to the Gospel of John (John 19:20), was written in three languages (Hebrew, Latin, and Greek). They then divided his garments among themselves and cast lots for his seamless robe, according to the Gospel of John. According to the Gospel of John, after Jesus' death, one soldier (named in extra-Biblical tradition as Longinus) pierced his side with a spear to be certain that he had died, then blood and water gushed from the wound. The Bible describes seven statements that Jesus made while he was on the cross, as well as several supernatural events that occurred.

View attachment 501332
Crucifixion of Jesus - Wikipedia

In the canonical gospels, Pilate's court refers to the trial of Jesus in praetorium before Pontius Pilate, preceded by the Sanhedrin Trial. In the Gospel of Luke, Pilate finds that Jesus, being from Galilee, belonged to Herod Antipas' jurisdiction, and so he decides to send Jesus to Herod. After questioning Jesus and receiving very few replies, Herod sees Jesus as no threat and returns him to Pilate.
View attachment 501333 View attachment 501334
In all four gospels, the Denial of Peter functions as an intermission during the Sanhedrin trial, while Matthew adds an intermission during the trial before Pilate that narrates the suicide of Judas Iscariot.

At the time Jerusalem was part of Roman Judea, the charges of the Sanhedrin against Jesus held no power before Pilate. He was therefore not a political threat and could be seen as innocent of such a charge. [Jn. 18:36]

Stepping back outside, Pilate publicly declared that he found no basis to charge Jesus,
Pilate's court - Wikipedia

Early in the morning the chief priests (Rabbis)and elders planned to have Jesus executed.

Thirty pieces of silver was the price for which Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus, according to an account in the Gospel of Matthew 26:15 in the New Testament. Before the Last Supper, Judas is said to have gone to the chief priests and agreed to hand over Jesus in exchange for 30 silver coins, and to have attempted to return the money afterwards, filled with remorse.

Pilate explained the amnesty vote and asked: 'Do you want me to release 'the king of the Jews'?'

Chief priests (Rabbis) and officials shouted: 'Crucify! Crucify!' Pilate: 'Go ahead and crucify him. [Pilate says] I myself find no guilt in him.' Jewish leaders: 'Our law says he must die because he claimed to be the Son of God.'

Pilate, interrogated Jesus inside. Pilate tried to set Jesus free.
Jewish leaders: (Rabbis) If you let him go, you disobey Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar.'
Pilate brought out Jesus around noon, saying: 'Here is your king.' They [Jewish leaders] shouted: 'Take him away, crucify him!'
Pilate: 'Shall I crucify your king?' Chief priests: 'We have no king but Caesar.'

Pilate handed Jesus over to them for crucifixion.

Early in the morning Jesus was taken to Pilate by the Jewish leaders (Rabbis)

Pilate, inside: 'Are you the king of the Jews?' Jesus: 'My kingdom is not of this world, otherwise my servants would have fought to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders.'

Pilate: 'You are a king, then!' Jesus: 'You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.' Pilate: 'What is truth?'

Pilate, outside: 'I find no guilt in him.'

by the Jewish leaders under Pilate

In the New Testament, the Sanhedrin trial of Jesus refers to the trial of Jesus before the Sanhedrin (a Jewish judicial body) following his arrest in Jerusalem and prior to the trial before Pontius Pilate. It is an incident reported by all three Synoptic Gospels of the New Testament, while John's Gospel refers to a preliminary inquiry before Annas. The gospel accounts vary on a number of details.

Jesus is generally quiet, does not mount a defense, and rarely responds to the accusations, and is found guilty of various offenses: violating the Sabbath law (by healing on the Sabbath), threatening to destroy the Jewish Temple, practicing sorcery, exorcising people by the power of demons, and claiming to be the Messiah. He is then taken to Pontius Pilate, the governor of Roman Judaea, to be tried for claiming to be the King of the Jews.
Sanhedrin trial of Jesus - Wikipedia

Thereafter, in Pilate's Court, the Jewish elders (Rabbis) ask Pontius Pilate to judge and condemn Jesus, accusing him of claiming to be the King of the Jews. Such a claim would be considered treasonous, for being a direct challenge to the Roman authorities.

Rabbis forced the Romans to crucify Jesus
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Jesus forgave all of his adversaries as he was dying physically on the cross. That kind of love is part of God's Kingdom. Fortunate are they who believe in his goodness. ♡♡♡♡♡

 

[Theowl32]

Hardly the fact. Sola Scriptura is based upon sound doctrine.
For anyone to suggest that using the Book, Chapter and Verse in the Holy Scriptures as a form of proof or reproof is "A STRETCH" is nothing but a confession of taking liberty with the only means available today to actually communicate with God......and expect and answer..........THE WORD OF GOD "which was once for all time delivered to the saints of the 1st century" Jude 3.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God MAY BE COMPLETE, thoroughly equipped for EVERY GOOD WORK." -- 2 Tim 3:16-17

"I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ; who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and Kingdom: PREACH THE WORD, be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and teaching. FOR THE TIME WILL COME WHEN THEY WILL NOT ENDURE SOUND DOCTRINE, because they have itching ears, they will heap upon themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables......" -- 2 Tim 4:1-4

The scriptures are not difficult to understanding when taken in the correct context and content, that being that not one verse in the Holy Scriptures contradicts another when rightly divided. This thread is filled with accusations void of any kind of evidence that allows the scriptures to be rightly divided ending in TRUTH.

There are many faiths within Christianity (approx. 3000 different sects).........but according to the Word of God there is only ONE FAITH, ONE BODY (the church), and ONE GOD. -- Eph. 4:4-6 There are many of these 3000 sects that do not come close to actually following the truth revealed in the scriptures. Example. Many follow creeds and beliefs established by man not to be found in the scriptures.

They use part of the scriptures....while omitting the majority of the scriptures.

True doctrine is found only in one place. The Word of God. When you contradict that word you are married to false doctrine. Most people who find fault in the written word do so because that word contradicts a practice they want to indulge. Instead of being molded by the word........they attempt to mold the word around their personal ideologies.

Yet the word you refer to says to HOLD FAST TO THE TRADITIONS AS PASSED ON TO YOU.

The HOLY SPIRIT is who TESTIFIES to the TRUTH and it is in the APOSTOLIC TRADITION passed down that sustain THE FAITHFUL.

There are and have been so many different INTERPRETATIONS and languages of the Bible. There is ONLY ONE HOLY SPIRIT and so therefore ONE CHURCH which is the BODY OF CHRIST.

Everything Christ SAID as documented by the GOSPELS were for an eternal purpose. All of it.

Therefore violating or going AGAINST Apostolic TRADITION is VIOLATING the WORD. That is what THE WORD SAYS.

The Christians for the first 400 years (at least) didn't carry around a Bible. Or a bunch of scrolls copied to them millions of times over by scribes. There was no printing press and so therefore no books.

The first Christians didn't see any urgency at all to get the newly baptized Christians copies of the very letters they were writing.

No, they preached the GOOD NEWS and established a new LITURGY. That is what the Christians RELIED on. The LITURGY OF THE WORD AND THE LITURGY OF THE EUCHARIST as explained by Paul in 1st Corinthians 10:1 and in chapter 11. Talking about participating in the BREAKING OF THE BREAD.

There is a clear message with the ROAD TO EMMAUS where the two disciples eyes were opened immediately after Christ broke the bread.

 

[Theowl32]

Have a question; Who cares? Playing devils advocate, let’s say your “ claim” is true. Wasn’t that his “ father’s” reason for putting him on this earth?
You are accusing the Jews of being responsible for your “ saviors” death. The Church doesn’t change its stripes

I know this. My sin has sent Jesus to the cross.

That is what I know and I fail or sin every day. Often times I know I am.

Which is why I beg for his mercy everyday. Some may laugh, but I do frequently go to sacrament of confession.

Are all of my confessions sincere? I hope so, but not nearly as sincere as I want them to be.

It is in the Sacraments passed down that allow grace to enter and in grace we should receive the Holy BODY AND BLOOD that sanctifies.

So, the question if the Jews rejected. Well, all of the disciples were Jewish and his Mother 100 percent Jewish and JESUS is Jewish.

However, when the Jewish leaders presented Jesus to Pontius Pilate and Pilate said, what would you have me do with this man, is he not your king? They responded, "We have no king but Ceasar."

Pilate responds, "I find no fault with this man. I am innocent of this man's blood." The Jewish leaders respond, "Let his blood be on us and our children."

It is a very difficult step for Jews today and since that point to accept Christ as the Messiah.

Maintain that Jews today that come to believe have more blessings because of that. That could be my opinion, but most Jews who make that leap are often ostracized from their family. Because of that, the blessings they receive for losing much for the sake of Christ and the gospel receive 100 times....more than they lose.

That's gospel.

Anyway, my sin sends Christ to the cross and that guilt crushes me. Often times it crushes me.

 

[USAF 2023]

I know this. My sin has sent Jesus to the cross.

That is what I know and I fail or sin every day. Often times I know I am.

Which is why I beg for his mercy everyday. Some may laugh, but I do frequently go to sacrament of confession.

Are all of my confessions sincere? I hope so, but not nearly as sincere as I want them to be.

It is in the Sacraments passed down that allow grace to enter and in grace we should receive the Holy BODY AND BLOOD that sanctifies.

So, the question if the Jews rejected. Well, all of the disciples were Jewish and his Mother 100 percent Jewish and JESUS is Jewish.

However, when the Jewish leaders presented Jesus to Pontius Pilate and Pilate said, what would you have me do with this man, is he not your king? They responded, "We have no king but Ceasar."

Pilate responds, "I find no fault with this man. I am innocent of this man's blood." The Jewish leaders respond, "Let his blood be on us and our children."

It is a very difficult step for Jews today and since that point to accept Christ as the Messiah.

Maintain that Jews today that come to believe have more blessings because of that. That could be my opinion, but most Jews who make that leap are often ostracized from their family. Because of that, the blessings they receive for losing much for the sake of Christ and the gospel receive 100 times....more than they lose.

That's gospel.

Anyway, my sin sends Christ to the cross and that guilt crushes me. Often times it crushes me.

Still doesn’t refuse the claim that Christians believe GOD sent him down to die for ALL of us. There are others who don’t believe in Jesus. I wonder why “ Christians” always make the Jewish people their targets?