Question about Shanksville crash

[420ish]

Isn't it true that almost all of the plane was recovered there?

Some people I know are arguing no plane crashed there because they say there's hardly any debris there but I heard somewhere that most of the plane was recovered.

 

[Fizz]

95% of it was recovered.

CNN.com - FBI finished with Pennsylvania crash site probe - September 24, 2001

 

[420ish]

Wow, didn't know it was that much! Where was most of it, in the woods?

 

[mudwhistle]

I imagine most of the plane hit the ground....well....maybe all of it hit the ground....nose first.....and blew the fuck up. So I'm sure some of it burned....but the metal parts were all there.....mutilated all to hell.

Gravity can be a bitch sometimes.

 

[420ish]

I imagine most of the plane hit the ground....well....maybe all of it hit the ground....nose first.....and blew the fuck up. So I'm sure some of it burned....but the metal parts were all there.....mutilated all to hell.

Gravity can be a bitch sometimes.

It looks like 5% of it burned to unrecoverable pieces. Did they find most of the recovered pieces in the woods? Wasn't an engine found in the woods?

 

[Trojan]

I imagine most of the plane hit the ground....well....maybe all of it hit the ground....nose first.....and blew the fuck up. So I'm sure some of it burned....but the metal parts were all there.....mutilated all to hell.

Gravity can be a bitch sometimes.

It looks like 5% of it burned to unrecoverable pieces. Did they find most of the recovered pieces in the woods? Wasn't an engine found in the woods?

No it was found in hole, just as most of the plane was found in the hole.

 

[DiveCon]

I imagine most of the plane hit the ground....well....maybe all of it hit the ground....nose first.....and blew the fuck up. So I'm sure some of it burned....but the metal parts were all there.....mutilated all to hell.

Gravity can be a bitch sometimes.

It looks like 5% of it burned to unrecoverable pieces. Did they find most of the recovered pieces in the woods? Wasn't an engine found in the woods?

No it was found in hole, just as most of the plane was found in the hole.

the heavier parts were found burried in the hole
lighter parts were scattered around the site

 

[420ish]

No it was found in hole, just as most of the plane was found in the hole.

Oh you mean most of the plane was found beneath the crater?

 

[Fizz]

No it was found in hole, just as most of the plane was found in the hole.

Oh you mean most of the plane was found beneath the crater?

what do you mean "beneath"??

it was in the crater.

 

[DiveCon]

No it was found in hole, just as most of the plane was found in the hole.

Oh you mean most of the plane was found beneath the crater?

the area was a reclaimed strip mine, most of it was landfill and as such was soft ground
so, much like ValuJet Flight 592 that crashed into the everglades, most of it sunk into the ground
ValuJet Flight 592 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

now the landfill wasn't as soft as the everglades, but I'm saying that in a similar manor, the plane embedded into the ground

 

[DiveCon]

No it was found in hole, just as most of the plane was found in the hole.

Oh you mean most of the plane was found beneath the crater?

what do you mean "beneath"??

it was in the crater.

you are forgetting the stuff they had to DIG out

 

[420ish]

No it was found in hole, just as most of the plane was found in the hole.

Oh you mean most of the plane was found beneath the crater?

what do you mean "beneath"??

it was in the crater.

Is that what Trojan meant?

He mentioned the one engine that was dug out from beneath the crater, so I figured that's what he meant with most of the rest of the plane, that it was found beneath the crater as that one engine was.

 

[420ish]

now the landfill wasn't as soft as the everglades, but I'm saying that in a similar manor, the plane embedded into the ground

OK thanks. I just wanted to get clarification so I can tell the people I'm arguing with.

Does anyone know how many days it took them to dig all of the plane out?


One more thing, are there any news or official reports that state most of the plane was found beneath the ground?

 

[eots]

where is this 95% of recovered plane kept and where are the photo's? how was the DNA not cross contaminated in such a horrific crash ...link please

 

[420ish]

where is this 95% of recovered plane kept and where are the photo's?

At United Airlines. You'll have to call them for photos.

how was the DNA not cross contaminated in such a horrific crash ...link please

You can get DNA from hair and nails. Those are unlikely to get cross-contaminated. 100% of DNA was identified out of 8% of total remains found btw.

 

[Fizz]

where is this 95% of recovered plane kept and where are the photo's? how was the DNA not cross contaminated in such a horrific crash ...link please

stoned again?

a link was provided in the second post. the fbi was done with the investigation and turned the remnants of the plane back over to united airlines.

you do realize that even mixing blood together doesnt mix the DNA together to form one mixed dna strand.

let me put this in terms you can understand. if you were making "special" brownies and mixed milk from a cow together with eggs from a chicken it wont make a substance that came from a cow with feathers. it would just be milk and egg mixed together.

 

[eots]

View-from-Wilmington: Forensic DNA contamination

 

[eots]

Contamination

Because extremely small samples of DNA can be used as evidence, greater
attention to contamination issues is necessary when identifying, collecting,
and preserving DNA evidence. DNA evidence can be contaminated when
DNA from another source gets mixed with DNA relevant to the case. This
can happen when someone sneezes or coughs over the evidence or touches
his/her mouth, nose, or other part of the face and then touches the area that
may contain the DNA to be tested. Because a new DNA technology called
"PCR" replicates or copies DNA in the evidence sample, the introduction
of contaminants or other unintended DNA to an evidence sample can be
problematic. With such minute samples of DNA being copied, extra care
must be taken to prevent contamination. If a sample of DNA is submitted
for testing, the PCR process will copy whatever DNA is present in the
sample; it cannot distinguish between a suspect's DNA and DNA from
another source.

Transportation and storage

When transporting and storing evidence that may contain DNA, it is
important to keep the evidence dry and at room temperature. Once the
evidence has been secured in paper bags or envelopes, it should be sealed,
labeled, and transported in a way that ensures proper identification of
where it was found and proper chain of custody. Never place evidence that
may contain DNA in plastic bags because plastic bags will retain
damaging moisture. Direct sunlight and warmer conditions also may be
harmful to DNA, so avoid keeping evidence in places that may get hot,
such as a room or police car without air conditioning. For long-term
storage issues, contact your local laboratory.
http://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles1/nij/bc000614.txt

 

[Fizz]

View-from-Wilmington: Forensic DNA contamination

and?

 

[Fizz]

Contamination

Because extremely small samples of DNA can be used as evidence, greater
attention to contamination issues is necessary when identifying, collecting,
and preserving DNA evidence. DNA evidence can be contaminated when
DNA from another source gets mixed with DNA relevant to the case. This
can happen when someone sneezes or coughs over the evidence or touches
his/her mouth, nose, or other part of the face and then touches the area that
may contain the DNA to be tested. Because a new DNA technology called
"PCR" replicates or copies DNA in the evidence sample, the introduction
of contaminants or other unintended DNA to an evidence sample can be
problematic. With such minute samples of DNA being copied, extra care
must be taken to prevent contamination. If a sample of DNA is submitted
for testing, the PCR process will copy whatever DNA is present in the
sample; it cannot distinguish between a suspect's DNA and DNA from
another source.

Transportation and storage

When transporting and storing evidence that may contain DNA, it is
important to keep the evidence dry and at room temperature. Once the
evidence has been secured in paper bags or envelopes, it should be sealed,
labeled, and transported in a way that ensures proper identification of
where it was found and proper chain of custody. Never place evidence that
may contain DNA in plastic bags because plastic bags will retain
damaging moisture. Direct sunlight and warmer conditions also may be
harmful to DNA, so avoid keeping evidence in places that may get hot,
such as a room or police car without air conditioning. For long-term
storage issues, contact your local laboratory.
http://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles1/nij/bc000614.txt

oh i get it. you worried that someone that works at a lab will sneeze on the DNA evidence and suddenly become a victim on flight 93.