Putting It Up And Taking It Down

[PoliticalChic]

1. The second greatest change for America and the world took place under the 32nd President of the United State.
Arguably, the greatest alteration in modern political histroy took place under the 1st President.
The Soviet/Marxist nation was based on slaughter, genocide, slavery, atheism.....not things America stood for.
Yet Franklin Roosevelt was their greatest fan.


2. Not everyone was fooled.

English journalist Malcolm Muggeridge took the tour in the early 30’s, and wrote about how gullible these Potemkin Progressives were. “The spectacle of them traveling, with radiant optimism through a famished countryside, wandering in happy bands about squalid overcrowded Soviet towns, listening with unshakable faith to the fatuous patter of carefully trained and indoctrinated guides, repeating like schoolchildren a multiplication table, the bogus statistics and mindless slogans endlessly intoned to them --all, all chanting the praises of Stalin and his Dictatorship of the Proletariat. It was as though a vegetarian society had come out with a passionate plea for cannibalism, or Hitler had been nominated posthumously for the Nobel Peace Prize."
Malcolm Muggeridge Quotes Author of Something Beautiful for God

Muggeridge was mystified by the naïveté of these progressives, the unbelievable credulity of these mostly university-educated ‘tourists’- and it astonished even the Soviet officials! “These fellow passengers provide my first experience of the progressive elites from all over the world, who attached themselves to the Soviet regime, resolved to believe anything they were told!


Was Democrat Franklin Roosevelt just as naïve, just as gullible…..or did he know but didn’t care.

Surely he had a 'moral compass'.....or did he.



3. While FDR was fully aware of the genocide and oppression in the Soviet motherland,
why, when no previous President would shake the blood drenched hand of the Bolsheviks, Franklin Roosevelt made recognizing the regime one of his first official acts…
FDR came into office March 4th of 1933. One of his first official acts was to recognize the USSR, November 16th, 1933.


4. Roosevelt: "I would rather lose New Zealand, Australia or anything else than have the Russian front collapse."
Robert Dallek, "Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy, 1932-1945," p. 338.
Yup!
'Russia Uber Alles'

What nation did Roosevelt represent, again?




5. One President, a Democrat, helped the Communists to maintain the wall....(another Democrat promised them that he'd be more 'flexible' to their wishes)....while a Republican brought down the wall....that Iron Curtain....without firing a shot.

On this date.....the finest President in over 100 years .....June 12th, 1987 In front of the Brandenburg Gate in West Berlin, President Ronald Reagan declared, “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.”
It took two years before the wall came down.

 

[irosie91]

ok ok-----Reagan did SOMETHING GOOD----even
Nixon did some good things.................

 

[PoliticalChic]

ok ok-----Reagan did SOMETHING GOOD----even
Nixon did some good things.................

Something????


Let's take domestic policy as well:


“Between the early 1980s and 2007 we lived in an economic Golden Age. Never before have so many people advanced so far economically in so short a period of time as they have during the last 25 years. Until the credit crisis, 70 million people a year were joining the middle class. The U.S. kicked off this long boom with the economic reforms of Ronald Reagan, particularly his enormous income tax cuts. We burst from the economic stagnation of the 1970s into a dynamic, innovative, high-tech-oriented economy. Even in recent years the much-maligned U.S. did well. Between year-end 2002 and year-end 2007 U.S. growth exceeded the entire size of China's economy.”

How Capitalism Will Save Us

If sensible rescue efforts continue--and they will--the immediate crisis will quickly pass.

www.forbes.com

1. Under Reagan, the debt went up $1.7 trillion, from $900 billion to $2.6 trillion.
2. But….the national wealth went up $ 17 trillion
3. Reagan's near-trillion-dollar bulge in defense spending transformed the global balance of power in favor of capitalism. Spurring a stock-market, energy, venture-capital, real-estate and employment boom, the Reagan tax-rate cuts and other pro-enterprise policies added some $17 trillion to America's private-sector assets, dwarfing the trillion-dollar rise in public-sector deficits and creating 45 million net new jobs at rising wages and salaries.

George Gilder: The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan



Reaganomics - Wikipedia





And the tax cuts of the Economic Recovery Act of 1981 stimulated economic growth. “As a 1982 JEC study pointed out,[1] similar across-the-board tax cuts had been implemented in the 1920s as the Mellon tax cuts, and in the 1960s as the Kennedy tax cuts. In both cases the reduction of high marginal tax rates actually increased tax payments by "the rich," also increasing their share of total individual income taxes paid.” http://www.house.gov/jec/fiscal/tx-grwth/reagtxct/reagtxct.htm

“As inflation came down and as more and more of the tax cuts from the 1981 Act went into effect, the economic began a strong and sustained pattern of growth.” Front page | U.S. Department of the Treasury

1. The benefits from Reaganomics:
   1. The economy grew at a 3.4% average rate…compared with 2.9% for the previous eight years, and 2.7% for the next eight.(Table B-4)
   2. Inflation rate dropped from 12.5% to 4.4%. (Table B-63)
   3. Unemployment fell to 5.5% from 7.1% (Table B-35)
   4. Prime interest rate fell by one-third.(Table B-73)
   5. The S & P 500 jumped 124% (Table B-95) http://www.gpoaccess.gov/eop/tables10.html
   6. Charitable contributions rose 57% faster than inflation. Dinesh D’Souza, “Ronald Reagan: How an Ordinary May Became an Extraordinary Leader,” p. 116

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While the ranks of the wealthy quickly multiplied, middle-class investors also entered the stock market in rapidly growing numbers. The creation by Congress in 1978 of the 401(k) tax-deferred retirement plan provided new incentives for workers to invest their savings in the stock market (often through mutual funds) rather than relying on company-funded pensions for retirement. The 401(k) led to a kind of democratization of Wall Street, as the percentage of American households owning some stake in the stock market—either directly or through mutual funds—shot quickly from 15.9% in 1983 to 29.6% in 1989.23 Thus the great bull market of the 1980s created more wealth, for more American families, than any previous boom in history.

Investment Company Institute, "Equity Ownership in America, 2005," http://www.ici.org/pdf/rpt_05_equity_owners.pdf,

The Reagan Era Learning Guide: Citations

Shmoop’s sources cited for The Reagan Era

www.shmoop.com

 

[PoliticalChic]

ok ok-----Reagan did SOMETHING GOOD----even
Nixon did some good things.................

Nixon????


The most Liberal President of the Civil Rights era.


As president of the Senate, Nixon strongly supported civil rights, specifically the 1957 civil rights act, issuing an advisory opinion that a filibuster could be stopped with a simple majority, thereby changing Senate rules.
Congressional Record, Volume 157 Issue 12 (Thursday, January 27, 2011)

“During the 1966 campaign, Nixon was personally thanked by Dr. King for his help in passing the Civil Rights Act of 1957 http://www.nbra.info/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#Nixon_s_Southern_Strategy_Was_Not_A_Racist_Appeal



Between 1969 and 1974, Nixon raised the civil rights enforcement budget 800 percent, and doubled the budget for black colleges; appointed more blacks to federal posts and high positions than any president, including LBJ; adopted the Philadelphia Plan mandating quotas for blacks in unions, and for black scholars in colleges and universities; invented "Black Capitalism" (the Office of Minority Business Enterprise), raised U.S. purchases from black businesses from $9 million to $153 million, increased small business loans to minorities 1,000 percent, increased U.S. deposits in minority-owned banks 4,000 percent; raised the share of Southern schools that were desegregated from 10 percent to 70 percent.

This was written by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights in 1975, "It has only been since 1968 that substantial reduction of racial segregation has taken place in the South."

Unlike the empty talk of the prior, Democrat, administration, between Nixon’s election in ’68 and the end of his second year in office, in ’70, black students attending all-black schools in the South declined from 68% to 18.4%, and the percentage of black students attending majority white schools went from 18.4% to 38.1%.
Conrad Black, “The Invincible Quest: The Life of Richard Milhous Nixon,” p. 647.



Nixon and the Republicans have been leaders in civil rights....


Liberals should have loved Richard Nixon.

The Nixon administration gives stark acknowledgement that 'Republican" is not the same as 'conservative.' Nixon, rather than adhering to 'limited government,' presided over a regulatory revolution from '70 to '74 that included OSHA, The Occupational Safety and Health Administration, and the EPA, the United States Environmental Protection Agency

"The Supreme Court's decision in Griggs v Duke Power in 1971, followed by congressional legislation in 1972 gave the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) expanded authority to oversee employers employment practices. Combined, OSHA, the EPA, and the EEOC affected virtually every workplace. It was also during the Nixon years that the slope of federal spending on social and economic programs turned sharply upward." Charles Murray, "By The People," p.6.

A ‘big government Republican….a RINO.



And Richard Nixon was far, far more the civil rights warrior than the Democrat Party. Proof….next.



Richard Nixon took shelling from the Right due to his expansion of government, the sort of things that the Left, the Democrats, the Progressives yearned for.

 

[PoliticalChic]

7. The simulacrum between Marxist plans and those of the Democrat/Progressives is evident.

But….so is the fact that the originator of both, Karl Marx, a worshipper of Satan.

In his book “Marx and Satan,” Richard Wurmbrand writes:


“At an age when most young men have beautiful dreams of doing good to others and preparing a career for themselves, the young Marx wrote the following lines in his poem Invocation of One in Despair :

So a god has snatched from me my all, In the curse and rack of destiny

All his worlds are gone beyond recall. Nothing but revenge is left to me.

I shall build my throne high overhead, Cold, tremendous shall its summit be. "


Revenge ….against God?
In whose service would those efforts be?
A full third of the world lives under Marxism…..and this is the force behind it: the Devil.


And I recommend these.....

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[whitehall]

Like it or not, historic perspective is based on opinion of historic events and a political agenda. FDR had the advantage of a fawning media that acted as a propaganda arm of the administration before the War and officially became part of the FDR administration during the War. The compelling book "In the Garden of the Beasts" by Erik Larson is based on letters from the U.S. Ambassador to Berlin in the 30's. According to the book, the U.S. was aware of the shocking atrocities by the Hitler regime but all the administration was interested in was reparations from Germany for WW1 and that wasn't going to happen. When you factor in the small detail that that the FDR administration had no national intelligence agency you get the idea that the U.S. was flying blind before WW2.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Like it or not, historic perspective is based on opinion of historic events and a political agenda. FDR had the advantage of a fawning media that acted as a propaganda arm of the administration before the War and officially became part of the FDR administration during the War. The compelling book "In the Garden of the Beasts" by Erik Larson is based on letters from the U.S. Ambassador to Berlin in the 30's. According to the book, the U.S. was aware of the shocking atrocities by the Hitler regime but all the administration was interested in was reparations from Germany for WW1 and that wasn't going to happen. When you factor in the small detail that that the FDR administration had no national intelligence agency you get the idea that the U.S. was flying blind before WW2.

I love it when people actually read books! Kudos!

"FDR had the advantage of a fawning media that acted as a propaganda arm of the administration...."


And, since FDR loved the sharks.....the dictators.....so did the media. That would be all three.....Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin.

FDR knew of the Terror Famine...yet he enveloped Joe Stalin in " the cloak of his popularity..." Time Magazine, December 17, 1934.


He was so popular that he could dictate....that's the operative term....to the Democrat Party. He threatened the party that if a communist was not selected as his (second) vice-president, he would not run for office.

1. The National Socialists hailed these ‘relief measures’ in ways you will recognize:
   1. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”
   2. And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’
   3. And “[Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his book ‘Looking Forward’ could have been written by a National Socialist….one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.”
   4. The paper also refers to “…the fictional appearance of democracy.”
2. In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Like it or not, historic perspective is based on opinion of historic events and a political agenda. FDR had the advantage of a fawning media that acted as a propaganda arm of the administration before the War and officially became part of the FDR administration during the War. The compelling book "In the Garden of the Beasts" by Erik Larson is based on letters from the U.S. Ambassador to Berlin in the 30's. According to the book, the U.S. was aware of the shocking atrocities by the Hitler regime but all the administration was interested in was reparations from Germany for WW1 and that wasn't going to happen. When you factor in the small detail that that the FDR administration had no national intelligence agency you get the idea that the U.S. was flying blind before WW2.

"....but all the administration was interested in was reparations from Germany for WW1

My view is that it was less economic and more personal.

FDR, a medioce intellect, and petty individual, hated capitalism and especially successful businessmen.
He wanted the same sort of power that the three dictators had, and therefore hated the Constitution: he turned the recession into the Great Depression to use the crisis to overpower the Constitution.....and America has never been the same.

He had a tough choice to make when two of his idols went to war against each other.


" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union." Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

 

[PoliticalChic]

Like it or not, historic perspective is based on opinion of historic events and a political agenda. FDR had the advantage of a fawning media that acted as a propaganda arm of the administration before the War and officially became part of the FDR administration during the War. The compelling book "In the Garden of the Beasts" by Erik Larson is based on letters from the U.S. Ambassador to Berlin in the 30's. According to the book, the U.S. was aware of the shocking atrocities by the Hitler regime but all the administration was interested in was reparations from Germany for WW1 and that wasn't going to happen. When you factor in the small detail that that the FDR administration had no national intelligence agency you get the idea that the U.S. was flying blind before WW2.

"When you factor in the small detail that that the FDR administration had no national intelligence agency you get the idea that the U.S. was flying blind before WW2."

Absolutly right!!!!!!

Why would FDR have spies in Russia, when his BFF was in charge there???



Novelist Daniel Silva puts it this way:

" You see, before the war, we had no intelligence service-not areal one, anyway...our intelligence operation inside the Soviet Union consisted of a couple of guys from Harvard and a teletype machine. When we suddenly found ourselves nose to nose with the Russian bogeyman, we didn’t know shit about him. His strengths, his weaknesses, his intentions. And what’s more, we didn’t know how to find out. That another war was imminent was a foregone conclusion. And what did we have? F**k all. No networks, no agents. Nothing. We were lost, wandering in the desert. We needed help. ...General Reinhard Gehlen, head of the German General Staff’s Foreign Armies East branch, Hitler’s chief spy on the Russian front.

“Gehlen was the answer to our prayers. The man had spent a career spying on the Soviet Union, and now he was going to show us the way. We brought him into this country.... . He told us what we wanted to hear. Stalinism was an evil unparalleled in human history. Stalin intended to subvert the countries of western Europe from within and then move against them militarily. Stalin had global ambitions. Be not afraid, Gehlen told us. I have networks, I have sleepers and stay-behind cells. I know everything there is to know about Stalin and his henchmen. Together, we will crush him.”



We used Nazi intel post war just as we used Nazi rocket scientists, by conditional surrender.




Reinhard Gehlen

As head of the Gehlen Organization he sought cooperation with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), formed in 1947, resulting in the Gehlen Organization ultimately becoming closely affiliated with the CIA. Wikipedia.

 

[irosie91]

"....but all the administration was interested in was reparations from Germany for WW1

My view is that it was less economic and more personal.

FDR, a medioce intellect, and petty individual, hated capitalism and especially successful businessmen.
He wanted the same sort of power that the three dictators had, and therefore hated the Constitution: he turned the recession into the Great Depression to use the crisis to overpower the Constitution.....and America has never been the same.

He had a tough choice to make when two of his idols went to war against each other.


" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union." Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

have a heart----the poor guy was crippled and
controlled by his MOTHER and WIFE

 

[PoliticalChic]

have a heart----the poor guy was crippled and
controlled by his MOTHER and WIFE

I know that that was humor......but you must know that he caused this:

There are only three things important to the Democrat program, agenda.....Race, Class, and Gender.
Not liberty, not religious freedom, not prosperity, not individuality, not tranquility.
Race, Class, and Gender.


“Cultural Marxism, though it’s dismissed by critics as a “term invented by the Right”, “was an undeniable school of thought taking Marxist categories of oppressed and oppressor beyond the economic realm and applying to it other forms of oppression: gender, race, sexuality.” Caldron Pool


“A hundred years ago, kids in classrooms were taught the color of their skin was their most important characteristic — and if they looked a certain way, they were inferior. Today, kids again are being taught that the color of their skin defines them — and if they look a certain way, they’re an oppressor.” Tim Scott Text of Sen. Tim Scott's GOP response to Biden speech

 

[irosie91]

I know that that was humor......but you must know that he caused this:

There are only three things important to the Democrat program, agenda.....Race, Class, and Gender.
Not liberty, not religious freedom, not prosperity, not individuality, not tranquility.
Race, Class, and Gender.


“Cultural Marxism, though it’s dismissed by critics as a “term invented by the Right”, “was an undeniable school of thought taking Marxist categories of oppressed and oppressor beyond the economic realm and applying to it other forms of oppression: gender, race, sexuality.” Caldron Pool


“A hundred years ago, kids in classrooms were taught the color of their skin was their most important characteristic — and if they looked a certain way, they were inferior. Today, kids again are being taught that the color of their skin defines them — and if they look a certain way, they’re an oppressor.” Tim Scott Text of Sen. Tim Scott's GOP response to Biden speech

Nope----not ENTIRELY humor. His mother was
the CONSUMMATE ambitious aristocrat-----and
his wife was sorta avant garde and he did seek
their advice-----or so it seems from public TV
documentaries. ALSO the poor guy was a
NEW YORK person-----sorta-----home of Tammany
Hall. As to the present day DONKEY----it is far
more pixilated than ever before in history

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nope----not ENTIRELY humor. His mother was
the CONSUMMATE ambitious aristocrat-----and
his wife was sorta avant garde and he did seek
their advice-----or so it seems from public TV
documentaries. ALSO the poor guy was a
NEW YORK person-----sorta-----home of Tammany
Hall. As to the present day DONKEY----it is far
more pixilated than ever before in history

So you believe that candidates for the presidnecy should be judged, not on policies that would or would not benefit the nation and the citizenry, but what hand-wringing they can provide???


You're not serious....are you??????

 

[irosie91]

So you believe that candidates for the presidnecy should be judged, not on policies that would or would not benefit the nation and the citizenry, but what hand-wringing they can provide???


You're not serious....are you??????

Of course I am serious----it's a matter of my
professional background. I understand that
presidents are human beans and influenced
by their situations and times. Lincoln is another
example of mistakes related to his situation,
childhood and nutty wife. As to your
socialismaphobia-----it's an obsession but
I understand----I am terrified of dogs

 

[PoliticalChic]

Of course I am serious----it's a matter of my
professional background. I understand that
presidents are human beans and influenced
by their situations and times. Lincoln is another
example of mistakes related to his situation,
childhood and nutty wife. As to your
socialismaphobia-----it's an obsession but
I understand----I am terrified of dogs

Then you must be one of those who votes for persons.......

Adults vote for policies.


Here's a lesson:

This...

.....Or this.....

 

[irosie91]

yeah? I did not vote for BIDEN----or kerry. I am
a registered democrat since childhood. I did not vote
for FDR either-----not born

 

[PoliticalChic]

yeah? I did not vote for BIDEN----or kerry. I am
a registered democrat since childhood. I did not vote
for FDR either-----not born

The point is where an intelligent person votes for a person, or the policies that vote will entail.

I've explained it as succinctly as I can.

 

[irosie91]

The point is where an intelligent person votes for a person, or the policies that vote will entail.

I've explained it as succinctly as I can.

more succinctly-----chicy is an socialismaphobic even to the point of letting impoverished people die of
starvation

 

[PoliticalChic]

more succinctly-----chicy is an socialismaphobic even to the point of letting impoverished people die of
starvation

Now you've become a moron.


No one died of starvation in this country......EVER.....until Democrat inflation.....




According to my quick reading of the Life and death during the Great Depression by José A. Tapia Granadosa and Ana V. Diez Roux, the only noticeable increase of mortality was suicide, with a noticeable decline of mortality in every other category.

It's interesting that this paper was written in 2009, before the (shall we say) sensationalist Russian claim of 7 million deaths.

According also to Michael Mosley, life expectancy actually rose through the Great Depression. In his Horizon programme Eat, Fast and Live Longer he claims

From 1929 to 1933, in the darkest years of the great depression when people were eating far less, life expectancy increased by 6 years.

seeing as the US diet was far higher than starvation standards before the GD, even a serious reduction would have been unlikely to induce starvation level conditions in the majority of the population. And with enough food available overall, and the US always having had a very active local charity network, it's quite likely there would have been help for at least the majority of those who could not afford to feed themselves. In fact for quite a few people a somewhat leaner diet may well have contributed to the increased life expectancy. –

They include a table that shows trends in death rates per 100,000 population. Starvation does not appear on the list, nor does it rate a mention in the article. The researchers do acknowledge that malnutrition led to decreased health during the Depression, but not to increased mortality. Malnutrition was a widespread problem, starvation was not.





Importantly, this study shows that economic crisis does not guarantee a mortality crisis, but instead reinforces the notion that what crucially matters is how governments respond and whether protective social and public health policies are in place both during and in advance of economic shocks

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Sources: David Stuckler, Christopher Meissner, Price Fishback, Sanjay Basu, Martin McKee. 2011. "Banking crises and mortality during the Great Depression: evidence from US urban populations, 1929-1937." Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health. (link)

Price Fishback, Michael Haines, and Shawn Kantor. 2005. "Births, Deaths, and New Deal Relief During the Great Depression."

 

[irosie91]

Now you've become a moron.


No one died of starvation in this country......EVER.....until Democrat inflation.....




According to my quick reading of the Life and death during the Great Depression by José A. Tapia Granadosa and Ana V. Diez Roux, the only noticeable increase of mortality was suicide, with a noticeable decline of mortality in every other category.

It's interesting that this paper was written in 2009, before the (shall we say) sensationalist Russian claim of 7 million deaths.

According also to Michael Mosley, life expectancy actually rose through the Great Depression. In his Horizon programme Eat, Fast and Live Longer he claims

From 1929 to 1933, in the darkest years of the great depression when people were eating far less, life expectancy increased by 6 years.

seeing as the US diet was far higher than starvation standards before the GD, even a serious reduction would have been unlikely to induce starvation level conditions in the majority of the population. And with enough food available overall, and the US always having had a very active local charity network, it's quite likely there would have been help for at least the majority of those who could not afford to feed themselves. In fact for quite a few people a somewhat leaner diet may well have contributed to the increased life expectancy. –

They include a table that shows trends in death rates per 100,000 population. Starvation does not appear on the list, nor does it rate a mention in the article. The researchers do acknowledge that malnutrition led to decreased health during the Depression, but not to increased mortality. Malnutrition was a widespread problem, starvation was not.





Importantly, this study shows that economic crisis does not guarantee a mortality crisis, but instead reinforces the notion that what crucially matters is how governments respond and whether protective social and public health policies are in place both during and in advance of economic shocks

---

Sources: David Stuckler, Christopher Meissner, Price Fishback, Sanjay Basu, Martin McKee. 2011. "Banking crises and mortality during the Great Depression: evidence from US urban populations, 1929-1937." Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health. (link)

Price Fishback, Michael Haines, and Shawn Kantor. 2005. "Births, Deaths, and New Deal Relief During the Great Depression."

My greatgrandfather died of starvation during the
depression----in New York City. The stats depend
on what the doc wrote on the death certificate----
"cardiorespiratory arrest" is not really a "DIAGNOSIS" It is a description of death of ANY CAUSE