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Defkalion, the Greek company that was at one time working with Rossi and his e-cat, has developed their own version of LENR power generation product. They will have 7 different scientific groups coming in to perform tests on the product in the upcoming weeks. They intend to enter production with the products within the year. These will be 5KW to 45KW units, suitable to be used in a home or building....
In the academic / scientific space, MIT recently held a LENR seminar and demonstration: Cold Fusion Being Studied at MIT | E-Cat = Rossi Cold Fusion
And now CERN, the famous European physics research facility has announced a LENR seminar / discussion: Physicists Meet at CERN to Discuss Progress Made on Cold Fusion
All in all, progress continues. It is no longer career suicide to mention LENR / Cold Fusion research among scientists. So now that the thaw of the intellectual ice age has begun, LENR continues to approach commercial usefulness, and somewhat behind this, at least a beginning is being made to try and understand what exactly the phenomenon is that is being demonstrated.
Very interesting but is it real is the question....
But, will it hugely impact Greece's debt crisis?
Very interesting but is it real is the question....
I dontthink there is reasonable doubt on LENR any more, though I dont think it has necesarily been proven to occur yet. MIT's experiment went twoweeks so far and is giving a COP of 10 to 14 times energy input though its at small current levels.
I dont know about Rossi's e-cat yet or Dekaflon, but I think there is a lot of ground to be hopeful. There is no reason to believe it is not legit.
Very interesting but is it real is the question....
I dontthink there is reasonable doubt on LENR any more, though I dont think it has necesarily been proven to occur yet. MIT's experiment went twoweeks so far and is giving a COP of 10 to 14 times energy input though its at small current levels.
I dont know about Rossi's e-cat yet or Dekaflon, but I think there is a lot of ground to be hopeful. There is no reason to believe it is not legit.
From what little information I can get, it seems that these experiments are not done with any actual openness as to the exact contents of the device or any real explanation of how or why they are operating. That would lead me to believe that it is a gimmick and likely chemical, not nuclear. Admittedly, what I was looking at was specific to the cat and a little dated (mid 2011). Is there better, more open testing being done?
I dontthink there is reasonable doubt on LENR any more, though I dont think it has necesarily been proven to occur yet. MIT's experiment went twoweeks so far and is giving a COP of 10 to 14 times energy input though its at small current levels.
I dont know about Rossi's e-cat yet or Dekaflon, but I think there is a lot of ground to be hopeful. There is no reason to believe it is not legit.
From what little information I can get, it seems that these experiments are not done with any actual openness as to the exact contents of the device or any real explanation of how or why they are operating. That would lead me to believe that it is a gimmick and likely chemical, not nuclear. Admittedly, what I was looking at was specific to the cat and a little dated (mid 2011). Is there better, more open testing being done?
The MIT demo is totally open and part of a class there.
And while Rossi is engaging in some secrecy and is guilty of some sloppiness for a bonafide experiment meant to pass peer review, he is trying to make a buck, not prove anything scientifically and the energy output and density of his results overwhelm his lack of tight tolerances and/or stored chemicals. He is deomnstrating some kind of nuclear fusion of some sort, apparently.
He claims he will gain his validation through sales of his e-cat, but if he fails that will be seen as another black eye for LENR.
But even with that black eye, the technology is clearly legit and the only question is how awesome and how soon it will be before we see it become ubiquitous.
Rossi's work is deliberately secretive/vague. The problem regarding this technology is it falls too closely to already patent ideas/formulas. He can not patent his work and was trying to get patent. What is ocurring has not been explained and there is a very real black sheep in the scientific community regarding this. Hopefully someone, probably independent from any govt. agency or scientific authority, will eventually identify the phenom and hopefully get it peer passed. Form a first hand knowledge, this does work. It's just not predictable yet and results vary and are hard to replicate over and over.
Of course Exxon-Mobil will scramble to buy it and put the process in a secure safe.
Fake. Said it before and I'll say it again. I'm about 99% positive it is fake. Just another scam.
Truth is the scientific community is completely ignoring it. Most haven't even heard of it.
The only reason I have heard of it is from this message board.
Im guessing inside of this machine is a pre-charged battery.
This first link from this thread was a horrible link. First its form a website called energycatalyzer.com What is it promoting? Energy catalyzers (e-cat for short).
The link goes on to say that they don't know of any involvement between the guy that ran the 7 day course and the company making these machines. Then how did he get one? He managed to get a machine that no one else in the world can get, is not for sale, and is under such tight security that they wont even say how it works or what is involved. A machine that, as the only working model in the public, would literally be worth millions, if not billions, to the right corporation.
That's right, he walked into a lecture with a potentially billion dollar machine in his hands and no one thought twice about it.
You dont know two facts about this technology and you declare it a fake? lolol
DARPA, NASA, DoE, Bushnell, MIT, Swedish Royal Physics society, the Italian Physics society and moore have explored LENR technology and say there is some real potential to it and it is valid.
But I guess you know more because......????
In my scientific opinion, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I find a distinct absence of the latter. So let me be very clear here. While I personally find sufficient demonstration that LENR effects warrant further investigation, I remain skeptical. Furthermore, I am unaware of any clear and convincing demonstrations of any viable commercial device producing useful amounts of net energy.
Wow, so you not knowing of it couldnt possibly mean that you are ignorant on the topic; it must mean it doesnt really exist!
The guy at MIT MADE HIS OWN MACHINE, DUDE!l
The course included the demonstration of an LENR device built by a company called Jet Energy Inc.
The MIT course consisted of the demonstration and five days of presentations by Professor Hagelstein who explained his cold fusion theories. Hagelstein is a long time LENR proponent who is part of Cold Fusion Energy Inc, a consortium of scientists dedicated to commercializing cold fusion. It is not known whether there is a connection between that group and Jet Energy Inc.
Very interesting but is it real is the question....
I dontthink there is reasonable doubt on LENR any more, though I dont think it has necesarily been proven to occur yet. MIT's experiment went twoweeks so far and is giving a COP of 10 to 14 times energy input though its at small current levels.
I dont know about Rossi's e-cat yet or Dekaflon, but I think there is a lot of ground to be hopeful. There is no reason to believe it is not legit.
Very interesting but is it real is the question....
I dontthink there is reasonable doubt on LENR any more, though I dont think it has necesarily been proven to occur yet. MIT's experiment went twoweeks so far and is giving a COP of 10 to 14 times energy input though its at small current levels.
I dont know about Rossi's e-cat yet or Dekaflon, but I think there is a lot of ground to be hopeful. There is no reason to believe it is not legit.
there are quite a few reasons to be doubtful. lack of mechanism to explain it would be the first and foremost
You dont know two facts about this technology and you declare it a fake? lolol
Exactly, because that is NOT how science is done.
As a rule in science, if someone refuses peer review, its because they are lying. NO exceptions. They can make excuses all they want, but no one cares.
DARPA, NASA, DoE, Bushnell, MIT, Swedish Royal Physics society, the Italian Physics society and moore have explored LENR technology and say there is some real potential to it and it is valid.
But I guess you know more because......????
Nasa's position
Cold Fusion: NASA Says Nothing Useful - Forbes
Their spokesman
Swedish Royal Physics Society
Never heard of them. Either has google, wikipedia or bing.
Do I really need to go on?
Fine go here and ask them. Most of the poster's on this forum are physicists or students.
Physics Help and Math Help - Physics Forums
Here's a thread you might find interesting.
Tabletop Cold Fusion Reactor
Suggest it, and get laughed off the board like the last person did. Apparently only 14 year old girls believe it.
Not according to YOUR article he didn't
The course included the demonstration of an LENR device built by a company called Jet Energy Inc.The MIT course consisted of the demonstration and five days of presentations by Professor Hagelstein who explained his cold fusion theories. Hagelstein is a long time LENR proponent who is part of Cold Fusion Energy Inc, a consortium of scientists dedicated to commercializing cold fusion. It is not known whether there is a connection between that group and Jet Energy Inc.
