Priest burns himself to death over Islam

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I don't usually post clipped articles, but I though this one was interesting.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2434625,00.html


The Times November 03, 2006

Priest burns himself to death over Islam
From David Crossland in Berlin
A retired priest committed suicide by setting himself on fire in a German monastery in protest at the spread of Islam and the Protestant Church’s inability to contain it.

Roland Weisselberg, 73, poured a can of petrol over his head and set light to himself in the grounds of the Augustine monastery in the eastern city of Erfurt, where Martin Luther spent six years as a monk at the beginning of the 16th century.

Witnesses said that Weisselberg climbed into a building site next to the monastery church, where a Reformation Day service was being held. He shouted “Jesus and Oskar” before the flames engulfed him. The latter name was an apparent reference to Oskar Brüsewitz, a priest who burnt himself in 1976 in protest against the Communist regime in East Germany. Monastery staff tried to put out the flames and Weisselberg was still conscious as a nun prayed with him before he was taken to hospital. He died a day later, on Wednesday.

Media reports said that he had tried to kill himself inside the church but changed his mind when he found the side door was locked.

The Provost of Erfurt, Elfriede Begrich, told reporters that Weisselberg’s widow had said that he killed himself because he was alarmed at the spread of Islam and the Church’s stance on the issue.

She described Weisselberg as an erudite man who had addressed repeatedly the Church’s position on Islam in meetings over the past three to four years. He had written to her, urging her to take the matter more seriously, she said.

The Protestant Bishop of Saxony, Axel Noack, said the suicide had shocked the community and that he hoped it would not hurt relations between Christians and Muslims.

“We in the East are still among ourselves when we discuss Islam,” said Bishop Noack, adding that there were not many Muslims in the area.

Relations with Muslims have been a matter of intense debate in Germany in recent months, stoked by the cancellation of a Mozart opera in Berlin amid fears that it could provoke Muslim violence, and a speech by the Pope in September in which he quoted from a medieval text linking the spread of the Islamic faith to violence.

The Berlin Deutsche Oper has said that it will stage the opera, which has a scene showing the severed heads of the Prophet Muhammad, Jesus and Buddha.
 

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I never saw the point of self-immolation as a method of protest. Sure, it draws attention, but you can really only do it once, and there's no speech afterwards.
 

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I don't usually post clipped articles, but I though this one was interesting.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2434625,00.html


The Times November 03, 2006

Priest burns himself to death over Islam
From David Crossland in Berlin
A retired priest committed suicide by setting himself on fire in a German monastery in protest at the spread of Islam and the Protestant Church’s inability to contain it.

Roland Weisselberg, 73, poured a can of petrol over his head and set light to himself in the grounds of the Augustine monastery in the eastern city of Erfurt, where Martin Luther spent six years as a monk at the beginning of the 16th century.

Witnesses said that Weisselberg climbed into a building site next to the monastery church, where a Reformation Day service was being held. He shouted “Jesus and Oskar” before the flames engulfed him. The latter name was an apparent reference to Oskar Brüsewitz, a priest who burnt himself in 1976 in protest against the Communist regime in East Germany. Monastery staff tried to put out the flames and Weisselberg was still conscious as a nun prayed with him before he was taken to hospital. He died a day later, on Wednesday.

Media reports said that he had tried to kill himself inside the church but changed his mind when he found the side door was locked.

The Provost of Erfurt, Elfriede Begrich, told reporters that Weisselberg’s widow had said that he killed himself because he was alarmed at the spread of Islam and the Church’s stance on the issue.

She described Weisselberg as an erudite man who had addressed repeatedly the Church’s position on Islam in meetings over the past three to four years. He had written to her, urging her to take the matter more seriously, she said.

The Protestant Bishop of Saxony, Axel Noack, said the suicide had shocked the community and that he hoped it would not hurt relations between Christians and Muslims.

“We in the East are still among ourselves when we discuss Islam,” said Bishop Noack, adding that there were not many Muslims in the area.

Relations with Muslims have been a matter of intense debate in Germany in recent months, stoked by the cancellation of a Mozart opera in Berlin amid fears that it could provoke Muslim violence, and a speech by the Pope in September in which he quoted from a medieval text linking the spread of the Islamic faith to violence.

The Berlin Deutsche Oper has said that it will stage the opera, which has a scene showing the severed heads of the Prophet Muhammad, Jesus and Buddha.
Appeasing bitches.
 

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What a waste of a life.......I'll bet that doesn't motivate or affect one Muslim's attitude towards Christians or the West.
 
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What a waste of a life.......I'll bet that doesn't motivate or affect one Muslim's attitude towards Christians or the West.
I don't think he was sending a message to Muslims, rather to the West to stop ignoring this threat and re-adopt Christianity.
 

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I don't think he was sending a message to Muslims, rather to the West to stop ignoring this threat and re-adopt Christianity.
Most likely he was doing just that, but I doubt that his suicide will motivate the church either. Just take a look at how worried the U.S. electorate is about terrorism. Most likely the cut-and-runners will have both houses Congress thanks to the U.S. Sheeple that feed at the "teets":baby: of the MSM.
 

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What the hell? What kind of priest commits suicide?

It's the only unforgivable mortal sin, suicide is always viewed as an irrational act in this religion. Makes me wonder if this priest wasn't mentally ill or something.
 

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What the hell? What kind of priest commits suicide?

It's the only unforgivable mortal sin, suicide is always viewed as an irrational act in this religion. Makes me wonder if this priest wasn't mentally ill or something.
Biblically, I don't believe that suicide is any less forgiveable than any other sin.

Actually in the context of the bible.........at the time of Jesus's physical time on earth, this unforgiveable sin was the act of people attributing Jesus's works/miracles as works of Satan. It was referred to as blaspheming the Holy Spirit, I believe.

God does indeed tell us that our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit..........It's God's temple when one is "born again"/ trully converted, and now has the indwelling Holy Spirit. If a Christian irrationally kills themselves........it is indeed a tragedy, but not unforgiveable, anymore than adultery, fornication, stealing, lieing, etc. It's just a darn shame and I'm sure that God is very saddened by this act, yet He, has a place for all who were bought with the blood of His son. Even the distraught who in a moment of irrational, thinking, and possible depression end their own lives. It isn't God's road map for Christians to live out their lives, but it isn't unforgiveable.......as Jesus paid that ultimate price for that "priest" back on Golgotha.

Now the one "corker" is always...........was the priest actually a Christian.......or just a religious person that really never experienced true salvation? Only God knows.
 

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Biblically, I don't believe that suicide is any less forgiveable than any other sin.

Actually in the context of the bible.........at the time of Jesus's physical time on earth, this unforgiveable sin was the act of people attributing Jesus's works/miracles as works of Satan. It was referred to as blaspheming the Holy Spirit, I believe.

God does indeed tell us that our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit..........It's God's temple when one is "born again"/ trully converted, and now has the indwelling Holy Spirit. If a Christian irrationally kills themselves........it is indeed a tragedy, but not unforgiveable, anymore than adultery, fornication, stealing, lieing, etc. It's just a darn shame and I'm sure that God is very saddened by this act, yet He, has a place for all who were bought with the blood of His son. Even the distraught who in a moment of irrational, thinking, and possible depression end their own lives. It isn't God's road map for Christians to live out their lives, but it isn't unforgiveable.......as Jesus paid that ultimate price for that "priest" back on Golgotha.

Now the one "corker" is always...........was the priest actually a Christian.......or just a religious person that really never experienced true salvation? Only God knows.
Any sin can be forgiven, if one REPENTS. How does a person repent of suicide? He's already dead.
 

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I would think that a Roman Catholic priest would be a Christian, yes......

This priest surely was aware of this Catcheism:

Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we

There is the Catholic doctorine of extraordinary means, can't see how it applies here, maybe this Catcheism:

"Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide."

Otherwise, like Nienna said, it's unconfessed and unabsolved.
 

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But if someone kills themself to save others, it is just about the most honorable thing anyone can do. If a soldier gives his life for his friends, its not a sin. Who is to say this man didn't give his life to save others in the War against Islam? ...only God can answer that. So lets leave the judgement to Him.....
 

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This isn't a way to put a message of protest againt the psycho Muslims. But that's me. I'd do something more elaborate.
 

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