A friend and I are debating how this is going to end, good or bad.
He reads articles like this:
Greyerz - Western Governments Moving To Enslave People And Steal Assets Ahead Of Global Collapse And Skyrocketing Gold - King World News
He argues the system has to COLLAPSE first before people will take serious steps to change.
When we have no choice.
My mother also argues we are heading toward riots and no food the way the debts are going.
I argue that the Greens and Labor movement already has a solution.
Independent currency.
Organizing local LABOR POOLS, businesses in networks (YES including growing food supplies
so that isn't cut off if OUTSIDE businesses collapse), SO THAT COMMUNITIES ALREADY BECOME SELF-RELIANT and don't depend on "the federal reserve" or big corporations or companies to bring in jobs.They create and fund jobs themselves, on a sustainable basis, by recognizing each other's labor as the basis of capital, and either barter on it, or trade printed currency.
www.ithacahours.com
www.paulglover.org
Time-based currency - Wikipedia
Time Banking: An Idea Whose Time Has Come?
Cowry Collective provides forum for bartering rather than buying services
Where I would agree with my mother and friend who both believe there isn't time for all this wonderful "sustainable" reform to change all communities BEFORE the big collapse occurs:
1. federal dollars are still needed to pay taxes on exchanges even if these occur through local currency
2. the food supplies, the health care, and a number of services aren't set up yet
where every community is self-reliant. some towns just lost their only mom and pop
grocery or hardware store after Wal-Mart drove them out of business, only to closedown and leave the town with nothing to provide those services and supplies.
I AGREE there is major work to do to ORGANIZE the labor and resources
so all DISTRICTS and towns have their own
* teaching hospitals and clinics tied to education so the services can be
provided as part of training doctors, nurses, and medical assistants to meet the
demands of the local populations
* banks and businesses to become economically viable as their own town
* schools, teachers and police unions, and REPRESENTATION that keeps
govt decisions and resources LOCAL instead of depending too much on
outside tax dollars or federal govt to step in
The main issue I would address first is CUTTING CRIME,
rewarding districts for organizing agreements among the community residents
and local taxpayers to STOP crime and addiction/abuse issues that send people
to prison at 30-50K a year, and save those tax resources to build SCHOOLS
and TEACHING HOSPITALS, daycare and elderly care centers with paid staff
so there are enough jobs and services to provide for the community in a stable sustainable manner.
Agreeing to stop crime by preventative health, counseling and medical treatment for
dangerous disorders would also address this fear of RIOTING and violence over
economic issues!
So what do you think.
Do we have time to reorganize all communities to address the threats of
crime and economic collapse before violence and riots occur from shutdowns?
Can't we do better than the crises in Venezuela left to crime and people
dying while waiting for health care because there aren't enough services to meet the demand?
I believe the left and right CAN UNITE IN TIME to divert worst disaster.
I posted links above to the solutions from the Greens on organizing labor back currency.
There is also MICROLENDING that grows local economies to be self-sufficient.
Why aren't we trumpeting these SOLUTIONS through the media?
If all we promote is Doomsday collapse, where are people going to get
the information and resources and support to CHANGE that direction
and get on a SUSTAINABLE path to local empowerment and self-govt.
Aren't both the left and the right demanding the power go back to the people?
Aren't we really pushing for the same end to oppression and to liberate
the workers and taxpayers from enslavement and exploitation by govt and corporate abuses?
who is going to win
and do we have to hit rock bottom first?
The workers taking back control of our own economy?
Or the weight of debts and damages caused by the corruption of others
the system currently charged to the taxpayers. If we did not agree to
pay for those debts and damages, can't we REFUSE those charges?
Can't we track our own Credits and labor and decide which
way the economy is going to be defined. Are we really so weak
and divided we will continue to let the debtors who overspent our
tax money decide to stick us with the bill. Really? We don't have
the guts to refuse to pay and charge the debts back to the wrongdoers who incurred them?
I don't believe people will let that happen.
I believe people are so mad and will refuse to pay taxes for garbage we didn't all approve,
that we CAN unite and demand credits, collections, reimbursement and restitution for
past debts and damages we argue are the responsibility of the WRONGDOERS
not for taxpayers to pay the bill for.
So I call for taxpayers, workers and voters on Left and Right to unite.
Make a list of all the wrongs, debts and damages you REFUSE to pay for.
And let's take our lists to Congress and demand a refund and credit
so we aren't held to pay these costs we didn't authorized.
Then we can set up accounts like the Federal Reserve and manage our
resources on CREDIT, to fund jobs in health care, prison, VA and immigration
reform that SOLVE the problems of crime and corruption costs us billions if not trillions each year.
Whatever charges and policies we ALL AGREE TO PAY FOR AS A NATION
are AUTHORIZED as public funds and policy through govt that our budget approves.
And whatever is DISPUTED is PRIVATE funding, and only the parties that AGREE to pay for that policy are responsible for those charges including debts or damages. And taxpayers are not punished for the wrongdoing of abusers who will be held responsible for illicit costs, wastes or abuse.
If any taxpayers or voters refuse to demand refunds for contested policies, but continue to ENABLE wrongdoing, then those taxpayers and voters will be held responsible for the costs they support.
So taxpayers, voters and officials are equally responsible for funding the policies they advocate, and citizens who contest those policies have the right to fund alternative solutions.
That's what I see happening, and where this is going.
What do you see?
Collapse or massive revolution and reform?
Both? And in what order? Thanks!!!
He reads articles like this:
Greyerz - Western Governments Moving To Enslave People And Steal Assets Ahead Of Global Collapse And Skyrocketing Gold - King World News
He argues the system has to COLLAPSE first before people will take serious steps to change.
When we have no choice.
My mother also argues we are heading toward riots and no food the way the debts are going.
I argue that the Greens and Labor movement already has a solution.
Independent currency.
Organizing local LABOR POOLS, businesses in networks (YES including growing food supplies
so that isn't cut off if OUTSIDE businesses collapse), SO THAT COMMUNITIES ALREADY BECOME SELF-RELIANT and don't depend on "the federal reserve" or big corporations or companies to bring in jobs.They create and fund jobs themselves, on a sustainable basis, by recognizing each other's labor as the basis of capital, and either barter on it, or trade printed currency.
www.ithacahours.com
www.paulglover.org
Time-based currency - Wikipedia
Time Banking: An Idea Whose Time Has Come?
Cowry Collective provides forum for bartering rather than buying services
Where I would agree with my mother and friend who both believe there isn't time for all this wonderful "sustainable" reform to change all communities BEFORE the big collapse occurs:
1. federal dollars are still needed to pay taxes on exchanges even if these occur through local currency
2. the food supplies, the health care, and a number of services aren't set up yet
where every community is self-reliant. some towns just lost their only mom and pop
grocery or hardware store after Wal-Mart drove them out of business, only to closedown and leave the town with nothing to provide those services and supplies.
I AGREE there is major work to do to ORGANIZE the labor and resources
so all DISTRICTS and towns have their own
* teaching hospitals and clinics tied to education so the services can be
provided as part of training doctors, nurses, and medical assistants to meet the
demands of the local populations
* banks and businesses to become economically viable as their own town
* schools, teachers and police unions, and REPRESENTATION that keeps
govt decisions and resources LOCAL instead of depending too much on
outside tax dollars or federal govt to step in
The main issue I would address first is CUTTING CRIME,
rewarding districts for organizing agreements among the community residents
and local taxpayers to STOP crime and addiction/abuse issues that send people
to prison at 30-50K a year, and save those tax resources to build SCHOOLS
and TEACHING HOSPITALS, daycare and elderly care centers with paid staff
so there are enough jobs and services to provide for the community in a stable sustainable manner.
Agreeing to stop crime by preventative health, counseling and medical treatment for
dangerous disorders would also address this fear of RIOTING and violence over
economic issues!
So what do you think.
Do we have time to reorganize all communities to address the threats of
crime and economic collapse before violence and riots occur from shutdowns?
Can't we do better than the crises in Venezuela left to crime and people
dying while waiting for health care because there aren't enough services to meet the demand?
I believe the left and right CAN UNITE IN TIME to divert worst disaster.
I posted links above to the solutions from the Greens on organizing labor back currency.
There is also MICROLENDING that grows local economies to be self-sufficient.
Why aren't we trumpeting these SOLUTIONS through the media?
If all we promote is Doomsday collapse, where are people going to get
the information and resources and support to CHANGE that direction
and get on a SUSTAINABLE path to local empowerment and self-govt.
Aren't both the left and the right demanding the power go back to the people?
Aren't we really pushing for the same end to oppression and to liberate
the workers and taxpayers from enslavement and exploitation by govt and corporate abuses?
who is going to win
and do we have to hit rock bottom first?
The workers taking back control of our own economy?
Or the weight of debts and damages caused by the corruption of others
the system currently charged to the taxpayers. If we did not agree to
pay for those debts and damages, can't we REFUSE those charges?
Can't we track our own Credits and labor and decide which
way the economy is going to be defined. Are we really so weak
and divided we will continue to let the debtors who overspent our
tax money decide to stick us with the bill. Really? We don't have
the guts to refuse to pay and charge the debts back to the wrongdoers who incurred them?
I don't believe people will let that happen.
I believe people are so mad and will refuse to pay taxes for garbage we didn't all approve,
that we CAN unite and demand credits, collections, reimbursement and restitution for
past debts and damages we argue are the responsibility of the WRONGDOERS
not for taxpayers to pay the bill for.
So I call for taxpayers, workers and voters on Left and Right to unite.
Make a list of all the wrongs, debts and damages you REFUSE to pay for.
And let's take our lists to Congress and demand a refund and credit
so we aren't held to pay these costs we didn't authorized.
Then we can set up accounts like the Federal Reserve and manage our
resources on CREDIT, to fund jobs in health care, prison, VA and immigration
reform that SOLVE the problems of crime and corruption costs us billions if not trillions each year.
Whatever charges and policies we ALL AGREE TO PAY FOR AS A NATION
are AUTHORIZED as public funds and policy through govt that our budget approves.
And whatever is DISPUTED is PRIVATE funding, and only the parties that AGREE to pay for that policy are responsible for those charges including debts or damages. And taxpayers are not punished for the wrongdoing of abusers who will be held responsible for illicit costs, wastes or abuse.
If any taxpayers or voters refuse to demand refunds for contested policies, but continue to ENABLE wrongdoing, then those taxpayers and voters will be held responsible for the costs they support.
So taxpayers, voters and officials are equally responsible for funding the policies they advocate, and citizens who contest those policies have the right to fund alternative solutions.
That's what I see happening, and where this is going.
What do you see?
Collapse or massive revolution and reform?
Both? And in what order? Thanks!!!
