POLL: Open the economy up and go back to work - Stay home and shutdown

Do you support reopening many US businesses 4/13/20, or prefer keeping the US shutdown longer

  • Yes, Re-open the US economy such as small businesses to keep them from going bankrupt

    Votes: 92 69.2%
  • No, do not open up small or big US businesses, COVID-19 is too dangerous to rush opening

    Votes: 41 30.8%

  • Total voters
    133
at the moment

Theres your problem. This is short sighted. You shouldn’t think about this very moment. You should be considering what happens next.
So you have a crystal ball that can predict the future? No one knows what happens next. In China and Europe the rate of new infections is dropping, why is that not our future too?

Thank god we have people who do work to predict the future so that we don’t have to suffer the consequences of inaction.


Trump and his team have taken very comprehensive actions to defeat this thing and save american lives. The only inaction has been from Pelosi and the dems in delaying the bill that will help impacted americans and businesses.

They did...finally, after dragging their feet for weeks. It was not even a month ago that Trmpyanna was saying "we only have 15 cases and that will be down to zero".

But there are still not enough ventilators, PPE and tests.

Most of the Democrats were trying to make sure that our money goes to where it is needed with the appropriate oversight. Both parties should have. Moot since the bill has been signed. You'll get your personally signed Trump Bucks that you can frame in the bathroom for those pent up nights when you need to "relax".


every one of your posts is about your hate for Trump, nothing about the topic of the thread. You are a waste of time and typing energy.

Its sad that people like you are more interested in posting a political diatribe than discussing ways to beat this thing, save american lives, and get our country going again.

You want the US to fail so you can blame Trump------------you are sick, very sick. Hate is your only emotion and that is sign of a very sick mind.
 
at the moment

Theres your problem. This is short sighted. You shouldn’t think about this very moment. You should be considering what happens next.


So you have a crystal ball that can predict the future? No one knows what happens next. In China and Europe the rate of new infections is dropping, why is that not our future too?
Republican governors.


in NY and Cal? are you crazy?

New York and California took steps to reduce the spread of the virus. You asked why the United States will not slow the rate of infection as they have in other countries. Those other countries shut their whole country down. Here we have Republican governors refusing to do so because, you know, freedom.
 
they are on the way this week. They don't just appear out of thin air, they have to be made, packed and shipped. But even with the old tests, we are testing more people than any other country.

I don't see how we can go from 3100 as of today to 100,000. but even if that happens, is 100,000 better than 2,000,000? That was the original projection from the "experts"
Oddly...weeks ago Trump said we had pleny of "beautiful" tests.

Remember?

"Anyone who wants a test can get one"?


and that was true then and its true now. anyone with symptoms can get a test. There were virtually no lines at the testing centers here in NOLA yesterday and we have one of the highest infection rates per capita.
They are only testing 250 people per day per site.



and there are just under 100 test cites operational today. can you multiply 250 times 100? the positive test rate is about 15-18% so that means that 85-99% test negative but have similar symptoms.

Why should we test people with no symptoms?

We should test everyone. You want people back to work, right? That means testing every single person before they do.

Back to New Orleans and the rosy picture you keep wanting to paint...

 
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Why should we test people with no symptoms?
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Anyone who doesn't recognize the stupidity of this Redfish person and his post is stupid themself.
 
they are on the way this week. They don't just appear out of thin air, they have to be made, packed and shipped. But even with the old tests, we are testing more people than any other country.

I don't see how we can go from 3100 as of today to 100,000. but even if that happens, is 100,000 better than 2,000,000? That was the original projection from the "experts"
Oddly...weeks ago Trump said we had pleny of "beautiful" tests.

Remember?

"Anyone who wants a test can get one"?


and that was true then and its true now. anyone with symptoms can get a test. There were virtually no lines at the testing centers here in NOLA yesterday and we have one of the highest infection rates per capita.
They are only testing 250 people per day per site.



and there are just under 100 test cites operational today. can you multiply 250 times 100? the positive test rate is about 15-18% so that means that 85-99% test negative but have similar symptoms.

Why should we test people with no symptoms?

We should test everyone. You want people back to work, right? That means testing every single person before they do.

Back to New Orleans and the rosy picture you keep wanting to paint...



thats stupid, if someone tests negative does that mean he/she won't catch it the next day? You seem to think that a negative test means you can never get it. Test the people with symptoms, if they test positive treat them and isolate them, if negative that just means they dont have corona but may have flu or something else, then treat them for that disease.

It makes zero sense to try to test 330 million people.
 
at the moment

Theres your problem. This is short sighted. You shouldn’t think about this very moment. You should be considering what happens next.
So you have a crystal ball that can predict the future? No one knows what happens next. In China and Europe the rate of new infections is dropping, why is that not our future too?

Thank god we have people who do work to predict the future so that we don’t have to suffer the consequences of inaction.


Trump and his team have taken very comprehensive actions to defeat this thing and save american lives. The only inaction has been from Pelosi and the dems in delaying the bill that will help impacted americans and businesses.

They did...finally, after dragging their feet for weeks. It was not even a month ago that Trmpyanna was saying "we only have 15 cases and that will be down to zero".

But there are still not enough ventilators, PPE and tests.

Most of the Democrats were trying to make sure that our money goes to where it is needed with the appropriate oversight. Both parties should have. Moot since the bill has been signed. You'll get your personally signed Trump Bucks that you can frame in the bathroom for those pent up nights when you need to "relax".


every one of your posts is about your hate for Trump, nothing about the topic of the thread. You are a waste of time and typing energy.

Its sad that people like you are more interested in posting a political diatribe than discussing ways to beat this thing, save american lives, and get our country going again.

You want the US to fail so you can blame Trump------------you are sick, very sick. Hate is your only emotion and that is sign of a very sick mind.

Time for an epic fishy "I'm going to ignore you" tantrum?

Oh, the irony. Every one of your posts takes shots at Democrats. You'll pull a hamstring to try to make some trolling political jab.

Take your balls outta your purse and learn to take a jab as well as give it.

Now go wash your hands, maintain physical distancing and wait for your Trump Bucks to arrive.
 
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Why should we test people with no symptoms?
Anyone who doesn't recognize the stupidity of this Redfish person and his post is stupid themself.
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typical lib, criticize those who know more than you do and who exposes your stupidity.

Why should we test people with no symptoms? If they test negative does that mean they can never get it? or can t get it the next day?
 
at the moment

Theres your problem. This is short sighted. You shouldn’t think about this very moment. You should be considering what happens next.
So you have a crystal ball that can predict the future? No one knows what happens next. In China and Europe the rate of new infections is dropping, why is that not our future too?

Thank god we have people who do work to predict the future so that we don’t have to suffer the consequences of inaction.


Trump and his team have taken very comprehensive actions to defeat this thing and save american lives. The only inaction has been from Pelosi and the dems in delaying the bill that will help impacted americans and businesses.

They did...finally, after dragging their feet for weeks. It was not even a month ago that Trmpyanna was saying "we only have 15 cases and that will be down to zero".

But there are still not enough ventilators, PPE and tests.

Most of the Democrats were trying to make sure that our money goes to where it is needed with the appropriate oversight. Both parties should have. Moot since the bill has been signed. You'll get your personally signed Trump Bucks that you can frame in the bathroom for those pent up nights when you need to "relax".


every one of your posts is about your hate for Trump, nothing about the topic of the thread. You are a waste of time and typing energy.

Its sad that people like you are more interested in posting a political diatribe than discussing ways to beat this thing, save american lives, and get our country going again.

You want the US to fail so you can blame Trump------------you are sick, very sick. Hate is your only emotion and that is sign of a very sick mind.

Time for an epic fishy "I'm going to ignore you" tantrum?

Oh, the irony. Every one of your posts takes shots at Democrats. You'll pull a hamstring to try to make some trolling political jab.

Take your balls outta your purse and learn to take a jab as well as give it.

Now go wash your hands, maintain physical distancing and wait for your Trump Bucks to arrive.


LOL, you amuse me with your ignorance. Wonder how the musicians at Kennedy center enjoyed Pelosi's bucks when they got their layoff notices.

I only take shots at dems and libs when they post foolish bullshit. Just happens that that is all you ever do, but I won't put you on ignore, you are too good a source for laughs.
 
they are on the way this week. They don't just appear out of thin air, they have to be made, packed and shipped. But even with the old tests, we are testing more people than any other country.

I don't see how we can go from 3100 as of today to 100,000. but even if that happens, is 100,000 better than 2,000,000? That was the original projection from the "experts"
Oddly...weeks ago Trump said we had pleny of "beautiful" tests.

Remember?

"Anyone who wants a test can get one"?


and that was true then and its true now. anyone with symptoms can get a test. There were virtually no lines at the testing centers here in NOLA yesterday and we have one of the highest infection rates per capita.
They are only testing 250 people per day per site.



and there are just under 100 test cites operational today. can you multiply 250 times 100? the positive test rate is about 15-18% so that means that 85-82% test negative but have similar symptoms.

Why should we test people with no symptoms?

Because they can still be passing it on to others, unknowingly, and killing others not as fortunate as them.... for Chris's sake! HOW can you not know this?

Please stop your blatant idiocy!!
 
in the case of Obozo and H1N1 the death count was at 10,000 before he even acknowledged that there was a problem. Last year was a bad flu year, with 60,000 deaths. Not a single one of you libs demanded we shut down the country when that happened.

The next few weeks will tell the tale, we shall see. What I don't understand is why people like you and seawitch and a few others want the country to fail and more americans to die. Is politics more important than life to you? You are sick.

You’re post is full of many untruths. Obama did not do “nothing” until 10k were dead.

60k is a bad flu (technically that was two years ago, the 2017-2018 season) but not an unheard of number. I don’t know that we had indications that it was going to be so severe early on and post-hoc analysis suggests that the vaccine that year was just not very effective.

However, the current situation is unprecedented. This is a totally novel virus that we are not equipped to handle well. It has high virulence and high mortality. We don’t have a vaccine and won’t have it available for some time. We don't have a treatment and we barely had tests early on when they would have been quite helpful to track, isolate and contain. We have evidence of the havoc it can play in locations.

This is a big deal no matter how you want to minimize it.

Your final point is unfortunate. No one wants the country to fail. No one wants people to die. We are all trying to figure out how to get through this with incomplete data.

But pretending this is just some usual influenza like illness is just not reflective of reality.
 
they are on the way this week. They don't just appear out of thin air, they have to be made, packed and shipped. But even with the old tests, we are testing more people than any other country.

I don't see how we can go from 3100 as of today to 100,000. but even if that happens, is 100,000 better than 2,000,000? That was the original projection from the "experts"
Oddly...weeks ago Trump said we had pleny of "beautiful" tests.

Remember?

"Anyone who wants a test can get one"?


and that was true then and its true now. anyone with symptoms can get a test. There were virtually no lines at the testing centers here in NOLA yesterday and we have one of the highest infection rates per capita.
They are only testing 250 people per day per site.



and there are just under 100 test cites operational today. can you multiply 250 times 100? the positive test rate is about 15-18% so that means that 85-82% test negative but have similar symptoms.

Why should we test people with no symptoms?

Because they can still be passing it on to others, unknowingly, and killing others not as fortunate as them.... for Chris's sake! HOW can you not know this?

Please stop your blatant idiocy!!


That is true, but the fact is that there is no way we could ever test 330,000,000 people.

those same people could be flu carriers, and could transmit it to others, there is no way for the government to protect everyone from the normal hazards of human life.

Now, one thing that we should be doing is testing those who have recovered and see if there is a reason for their recovery that is genetic or the result of some kind of natural immunity. AND, in fact that kind of research is going on as we speak. This country is handling this in the best most talented way possible. Your constant criticism is based on politics, not reality.

I find it funny that you use the user name care 4 all, but ignore the FACT that one of the reasons that Italy had so many deaths from this was due to their socialized medicine plan (medicare for all) and its inability to deal with any kind of mass sickness.
 
they are on the way this week. They don't just appear out of thin air, they have to be made, packed and shipped. But even with the old tests, we are testing more people than any other country.

I don't see how we can go from 3100 as of today to 100,000. but even if that happens, is 100,000 better than 2,000,000? That was the original projection from the "experts"
Oddly...weeks ago Trump said we had pleny of "beautiful" tests.

Remember?

"Anyone who wants a test can get one"?


and that was true then and its true now. anyone with symptoms can get a test. There were virtually no lines at the testing centers here in NOLA yesterday and we have one of the highest infection rates per capita.
They are only testing 250 people per day per site.



and there are just under 100 test cites operational today. can you multiply 250 times 100? the positive test rate is about 15-18% so that means that 85-99% test negative but have similar symptoms.

Why should we test people with no symptoms?

We should test everyone. You want people back to work, right? That means testing every single person before they do.

Back to New Orleans and the rosy picture you keep wanting to paint...



thats stupid, if someone tests negative does that mean he/she won't catch it the next day? You seem to think that a negative test means you can never get it. Test the people with symptoms, if they test positive treat them and isolate them, if negative that just means they dont have corona but may have flu or something else, then treat them for that disease.

It makes zero sense to try to test 330 million people.
No Fishy, it's not stupid to test every person before they are allowed back to work. What IS stupid is the thought that everything must be 100% foolproof. If you are testing everyone, you can identify those who are positive but asymptomatic, reducing the risk of infection to that person who tested negative. Now do try to stop being illogically stupid. Stay home.
 
in the case of Obozo and H1N1 the death count was at 10,000 before he even acknowledged that there was a problem. Last year was a bad flu year, with 60,000 deaths. Not a single one of you libs demanded we shut down the country when that happened.

The next few weeks will tell the tale, we shall see. What I don't understand is why people like you and seawitch and a few others want the country to fail and more americans to die. Is politics more important than life to you? You are sick.

You’re post is full of many untruths. Obama did not do “nothing” until 10k were dead.

60k is a bad flu (technically that was two years ago, the 2017-2018 season) but not an unheard of number. I don’t know that we had indications that it was going to be so severe early on and post-hoc analysis suggests that the vaccine that year was just not very effective.

However, the current situation is unprecedented. This is a totally novel virus that we are not equipped to handle well. It has high virulence and high mortality. We don’t have a vaccine and won’t have it available for some time. We don't have a treatment and we barely had tests early on when they would have been quite helpful to track, isolate and contain. We have evidence of the havoc it can play in locations.

This is a big deal no matter how you want to minimize it.

Your final point is unfortunate. No one wants the country to fail. No one wants people to die. We are all trying to figure out how to get through this with incomplete data.

But pretending this is just some usual influenza like illness is just not reflective of reality.


I never said it is not serious or that it should be ignored. All I have been trying to do is add some perspective compared to other things that kill more americans every year without the panic associated with this. examples: cancer, heart disease, lung diseases, car wrecks, suicides, gang violence, abortions, murders by legals and illegals, rape, child pornography, human trafficking, drugs of all kinds legal and illegal.

There are a lot of things killing americans, to pretend that this is the worst and the only one, is naive and ignorant.
 
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they are on the way this week. They don't just appear out of thin air, they have to be made, packed and shipped. But even with the old tests, we are testing more people than any other country.

I don't see how we can go from 3100 as of today to 100,000. but even if that happens, is 100,000 better than 2,000,000? That was the original projection from the "experts"
Oddly...weeks ago Trump said we had pleny of "beautiful" tests.

Remember?

"Anyone who wants a test can get one"?


and that was true then and its true now. anyone with symptoms can get a test. There were virtually no lines at the testing centers here in NOLA yesterday and we have one of the highest infection rates per capita.
They are only testing 250 people per day per site.



and there are just under 100 test cites operational today. can you multiply 250 times 100? the positive test rate is about 15-18% so that means that 85-99% test negative but have similar symptoms.

Why should we test people with no symptoms?

We should test everyone. You want people back to work, right? That means testing every single person before they do.

Back to New Orleans and the rosy picture you keep wanting to paint...



thats stupid, if someone tests negative does that mean he/she won't catch it the next day? You seem to think that a negative test means you can never get it. Test the people with symptoms, if they test positive treat them and isolate them, if negative that just means they dont have corona but may have flu or something else, then treat them for that disease.

It makes zero sense to try to test 330 million people.
No Fishy, it's not stupid to test every person before they are allowed back to work. What IS stupid is the thought that everything must be 100% foolproof. If you are testing everyone, you can identify those who are positive but asymptomatic, reducing the risk of infection to that person who tested negative. Now do try to stop being illogically stupid. Stay home.


I am staying home, are you? There is no practical way to test 330 million people. It might be good if there was, but there is not and never will be. If an employer wants to test his people when they come back to work, thats a good idea. Why would I be tested? I am retired, I have no symptoms, and have no underlying medical issues. I might get it from someone in a grocery store, but I am willing to take that risk in order to be able to buy food. If I get symptoms I will go to my doctor or a test site and get tested, until then give the tests to people with symptoms.
 
I find it funny that you use the user name care 4 all, but ignore the FACT that one of the reasons that Italy had so many deaths from this was due to their socialized medicine plan (medicare for all) and its inability to deal with any kind of mass sickness.
Just when I think there is a limit to your stupid, you say "hold my beer". The situation in Italy is the EXACT opposite of what you just said. Italy's death rate is so much higher because they have more older people. Do you know WHY they have more older people, you witless clown? "Socialized Medicine" .

Our hospitals and ICUs are being overwhelmed. What will your excuse be when we start making the same kind of choices over who does or doesn't get a ventilator?
 
in the case of Obozo and H1N1 the death count was at 10,000 before he even acknowledged that there was a problem. Last year was a bad flu year, with 60,000 deaths. Not a single one of you libs demanded we shut down the country when that happened.

The next few weeks will tell the tale, we shall see. What I don't understand is why people like you and seawitch and a few others want the country to fail and more americans to die. Is politics more important than life to you? You are sick.

You’re post is full of many untruths. Obama did not do “nothing” until 10k were dead.

60k is a bad flu (technically that was two years ago, the 2017-2018 season) but not an unheard of number. I don’t know that we had indications that it was going to be so severe early on and post-hoc analysis suggests that the vaccine that year was just not very effective.

However, the current situation is unprecedented. This is a totally novel virus that we are not equipped to handle well. It has high virulence and high mortality. We don’t have a vaccine and won’t have it available for some time. We don't have a treatment and we barely had tests early on when they would have been quite helpful to track, isolate and contain. We have evidence of the havoc it can play in locations.

This is a big deal no matter how you want to minimize it.

Your final point is unfortunate. No one wants the country to fail. No one wants people to die. We are all trying to figure out how to get through this with incomplete data.

But pretending this is just some usual influenza like illness is just not reflective of reality.


I never said it is not serious or that it should be ignored. All I have been trying to do is add some perspective compared to other things that kill more americans every year without the panic associated with this. examples: cancer, heart disease, lung diseases, car wrecks, suicides, gang violence, abortions, murders by legals and illegals, rape, child pornography, human trafficking, drugs of all kinds legal and illegal.

There are a lot of things killing americans, to pretend that this is the worst and the only one, is naive and ignorant.

So you think Trump has no perspective? He extended the Federal guidelines after you were running around parroting his "back to work" mantra. Don't you get tired of him making a fool of you?
 
in the case of Obozo and H1N1 the death count was at 10,000 before he even acknowledged that there was a problem. Last year was a bad flu year, with 60,000 deaths. Not a single one of you libs demanded we shut down the country when that happened.

The next few weeks will tell the tale, we shall see. What I don't understand is why people like you and seawitch and a few others want the country to fail and more americans to die. Is politics more important than life to you? You are sick.

You’re post is full of many untruths. Obama did not do “nothing” until 10k were dead.

60k is a bad flu (technically that was two years ago, the 2017-2018 season) but not an unheard of number. I don’t know that we had indications that it was going to be so severe early on and post-hoc analysis suggests that the vaccine that year was just not very effective.

However, the current situation is unprecedented. This is a totally novel virus that we are not equipped to handle well. It has high virulence and high mortality. We don’t have a vaccine and won’t have it available for some time. We don't have a treatment and we barely had tests early on when they would have been quite helpful to track, isolate and contain. We have evidence of the havoc it can play in locations.

This is a big deal no matter how you want to minimize it.

Your final point is unfortunate. No one wants the country to fail. No one wants people to die. We are all trying to figure out how to get through this with incomplete data.

But pretending this is just some usual influenza like illness is just not reflective of reality.


I never said it is not serious or that it should be ignored. All I have been trying to do is add some perspective compared to other things that kill more americans every year without the panic associated with this. examples: cancer, heart disease, lung diseases, car wrecks, suicides, gang violence, abortions, murders by legals and illegals, rape, child pornography, human trafficking, drugs of all kinds legal and illegal.

There are a lot of things killing americans, to pretend that this is the worst and the only one, is naive and ignorant.

You specifically said that this isn’t going to kill more people than influenza, a statement that is unsupportable.

Whst you’ve said is that this is no worse than influenza. You’ve said we don’t shut down the country (figuratively) for influenza.

So if both of those are views you hold, why would one assume you support doing what we are currently doing to mitigate COVID-19?
 
You saying there is a vaccine?

it appears so....

Annual deaths from influenza are 20-60k. It would take 20 years to get to 1.7 million deaths.

As you can see, your claim that COVID isn’t going to kill as many as influenza is unsupported.
so why incite the public into a panic, and literally stop the productive worker ant(s) from producing?
~S~

I think that is all Trump was trying to do, not scare the pants off people so that they refuse to go to work even though its relatively safe.

Cuomo had an upbeat presser today.
1. More people leaving the hospital each of the last 8-days.
2. Fewer people entering the hospitals the last few days. (a trend or a blip? we'll know next week)

Not to jinx us, but it looks from the last few days that the US curve is bending downward to a peak, like the EU appears to be doing. We'll know that in the next week or two.
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I would say information like this is why the lockdowns must continue. We might, just might be starting to make some headway against this thing. Here is some other good information to report.

The percentage rate of increase in confirmed cases per day has been declining for a few days now:

March 24, 2020 - United States - 54,916
March 25, 2020 - United States - 68,489 - 24.7% increase
March 26, 2020 - United States - 85,594 - 24.97% increase
March 27, 2020 - United States - 104,256 - 21.8% increase
March 28, 2020 - United States - 123,776 - 18.7% increase
March 29, 2020 - United States - 142,224 - 14.9% increase


the trend seems to be going the right way. Trump's new date of 4/30 is looking possible.

June 30, 2020 is more realistic. You can't take any chances with this. Its so easy to transmit among people. A choir met for practice in Washington State on March 10, 2020. 60 people came in. They had hand sanitizer, no handshakes or hugs and practice social distancing keeping several feet between each person. No one who came were showing any symptoms.

45 out of the 60 choir members were infected with coronavirus. Of those 5 were hospitalized and two died.

This shows that despite hand cleaning and social distancing, just a couple of people not showing symptoms can infect a large group of people in a building.

No one should be allowed to go back to work at a non-essential service until they have tested NEGATIVE for coronavirus. Thanks to Trump, we don't have the capability to do that yet.


you had a good post going until you added the political bullshit. thanks to Trump and his team, we have more testing capacity than any other country in the world and we are doing more testing than any country in the world.

STFU with the politics and we can beat this thing.

Please stop lying about the testing. You are FOS



No I am not. We have tested more people than any other country and we DO now have tests that give the result in 5-15 minutes. Yes, we are only testing people who have symptoms. Why would you waste a test on someone who is completely healthy?
Those 15 minute tests are NOT in the hands of the states yet.... when are they going to be there, on the battlefield? Weeks? A month? And how many can state's have? Are they too, limited?

Is 100,000 killed from this considered a good job by the President' s team?

It wasn't that long ago that Trump called Obama a horrible failure due to 20k deaths from H1N1 and now Trump will be a fantastic success if just 100k die from COVID.

But of course, that would mean holding himself to a standard that he holds other people.


in the case of Obozo and H1N1 the death count was at 10,000 before he even acknowledged that there was a problem. Last year was a bad flu year, with 60,000 deaths. Not a single one of you libs demanded we shut down the country when that happened.

The next few weeks will tell the tale, we shall see. What I don't understand is why people like you and seawitch and a few others want the country to fail and more americans to die. Is politics more important than life to you? You are sick.
That's just right wing revisionist lies... He recognized the virus within days of the first detection, he had a vaccine for it in 7 months, he had testing for it, within a week of it arriving.....

So please, spare us from your Trump Talk, Trump Talk is just another word for lies.

Do you think Dear Leader might have them under a spell of some sort?
Can't help but wonder ... Sad :(

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