[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[thereisnospoon]

"Reject what is know-ably untrue".. ROFL do you mean he refuses to accept the truth? What truth? Who gave you the emperors scepter, that you feel gives you the pulpit for all truth?

Education. Research. Critical thinking skills. Time and effort. All of that stuff that you thought that you could rely on Rush and Rupert for, while you perched in the Lazy Boy.

Liar. You don't speak for me. I never listen to Rush. I have no idea who Rupert is. I don't own a lazy boy, nor do I believe there is a method for perching in one.

PM(S) makes a lot of assumptions.
It allows him to deal with his fears.
Liberals are fearful people. Liberalism is based on irrational fears.

 

[kaz]

Education. Research. Critical thinking skills. Time and effort. All of that stuff that you thought that you could rely on Rush and Rupert for, while you perched in the Lazy Boy.

Liar. You don't speak for me. I never listen to Rush. I have no idea who Rupert is. I don't own a lazy boy, nor do I believe there is a method for perching in one.

PM(S) makes a lot of assumptions.
It allows him to deal with his fears.
Liberals are fearful people. Liberalism is based on irrational fears.

Ah, thanks for clearing it up. I thought liberalism was based on overt stupidity. But your answer makes sense too.

 

[Dick Tuck]

The very folks that do not want government watching over us and reading our e-mails want to give the power to government on what is a "fair share", how much they are allowed to plunder from citizens and what makes one qualify as "in need".
The growth of government has a direct correlation to the growth and the creation of a society of the poor, uneducated, children born out of wedlock with no father in the home moocher class.

Meanwhile the very wealthy milk the tax payer for credits. You sound like you want an uneducated society. Is that your Ayn Rand wet dream? Only the wealthy should have education? Only the wealthy should have health care? Only the wealthy should buy congress and tell them how to enact laws that sweetens their pot?

The real moocher class is those who own this country. The stupid lemmings who support them are too stupid to see them selling us down the river.

And all that is made possible by the asinine ‘progressive’ tax system.

Make one exception and more follow, period. Our current system proves that reality.

Total bullshit. We were more controlled before progressive tax, and with less government oversight. It's quite a bit harder to hire personal armies to keep your workers in their place today.

How can you pull nonsense like this out of your ass, and expect it to fly. I fault your lack of education. Thanks to progressives, you had a good opportunity, but chose to be a dimwit.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Clearly some people are made to be widely separated from their neighbors, for everyone's sake. Most of us live among neighbors so there's still open places to put people like you. But, the world is running out of space. That's why having to accomodate people like you is getting less and less tolerable to the civilized majority.

ROFL clearly you have never flown over or driven around the country. The vast majority of America is bereft of human occupation. Some folks prefer to live in small rooms stacked on end with others.. it's a free country. I don't want your accommodation. More particularly I spit on your vile socialist / communist comments.

Incoming. Communism is dead. It turned out that well regulated capitalism doesn't lead to the societal collapse that Communism is based on.

Also. I'm a socialist, you're a socialist, everybody is. There is not a country in the world that doesn't employ socialism in markets where competition isn't practical.

In fact, I doubt if the same isn't true of capitalism. It's pervasive in market's where competition can be maintained. And it can be regulated.

So, you'll have to think of other epithets.

How 'bout "poopy head"?

I suppose the basis for you stating "we are all socialists" is based on the tired mantra of "police ,fire protection and highways are forms of socialism"
Sell that bullshit to someone else.

 

[DiamondDave]

Meanwhile the very wealthy milk the tax payer for credits. You sound like you want an uneducated society. Is that your Ayn Rand wet dream? Only the wealthy should have education? Only the wealthy should have health care? Only the wealthy should buy congress and tell them how to enact laws that sweetens their pot?

The real moocher class is those who own this country. The stupid lemmings who support them are too stupid to see them selling us down the river.

And all that is made possible by the asinine ‘progressive’ tax system.

Make one exception and more follow, period. Our current system proves that reality.

Total bullshit. We were more controlled before progressive tax, and with less government oversight. It's quite a bit harder to hire personal armies to keep your workers in their place today.

How can you pull nonsense like this out of your ass, and expect it to fly. I fault your lack of education. Thanks to progressives, you had a good opportunity, but chose to be a dimwit.

Trolling troll is still trolly

 

[kaz]

I fault your lack of education. Thanks to progressives, you had a good opportunity, but chose to be a dimwit.

Progressive education produces nothing but dimwits. Between us, you got a progressive education, don't you?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Free is defined by our Constitution and is the same in all states.

You've never read the Constitution. You don't even grasp what it is you seek to erradicate.

In what way are you more free in Texas than people in all states are?

I live in the Peoples Republic of California. I took a vacation in Arizona last month. It was really nice visiting a free state. Very different - a different feel to it.

Try Somalia. There is no more free country in the world. Free of government. Take all your guns though, because others are free to do whatever they want to.

Your arrogance has transmuted to desperation.

 

[kaz]

ROFL clearly you have never flown over or driven around the country. The vast majority of America is bereft of human occupation. Some folks prefer to live in small rooms stacked on end with others.. it's a free country. I don't want your accommodation. More particularly I spit on your vile socialist / communist comments.

Incoming. Communism is dead. It turned out that well regulated capitalism doesn't lead to the societal collapse that Communism is based on.

Also. I'm a socialist, you're a socialist, everybody is. There is not a country in the world that doesn't employ socialism in markets where competition isn't practical.

In fact, I doubt if the same isn't true of capitalism. It's pervasive in market's where competition can be maintained. And it can be regulated.

So, you'll have to think of other epithets.

How 'bout "poopy head"?

I suppose the basis for you stating "we are all socialists" is based on the tired mantra of "police ,fire protection and highways are forms of socialism"
Sell that bullshit to someone else.

Do you seriously believe that opposition to your socialist objectives is based on police, fire and roads? Seriously?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Incoming. Communism is dead. It turned out that well regulated capitalism doesn't lead to the societal collapse that Communism is based on.

Guess you haven't heard of countries like Cuba or North Korea.

Incoming: They still exist. And they're communist.

Also. I'm a socialist, you're a socialist, everybody is. There is not a country in the world that doesn't employ socialism in markets where competition isn't practical.

Speak for yourself.

I advocate for free markets, flat taxes and private property. All of which are polar opposites of socialist ideologies.

You need to look up the meaning of "socialism" and "capitalism". They are both globally pervasive.

There are no "free markets" and haven't been for quite some time.

"Flat taxes" would make us a third world banana republic almost instantly.

I don't know anybody who's against either private property or public property.

"Flat taxes" would make us a third world banana republic almost instantly. ..
Oh? How so? Please explain and elaborate.
This ought to be good.
Oh, before you start searching google or the lib blogosphere for the answer, don't...
Anything save a fact filled response with examples will be rejected.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The problem is, we aren't really required to believe what your hate sites claim we do.

You erect a straw man and fight against it, then declare that you are victorious. If not for logical fallacy, you would never even approach logic.

I think PMZ is one of those guys that got beat to hell by his conservative parents... that or he was a catholic altar boy. KWIM?

Wrong on all counts. My parents were passionate Republicans. My immigrant grandparents passionate Democrats. I'm Protestant. I'm a Republican.

If my parents were still around I'm sure that they would agree that the GOP left us, not vice versa. My grandparents would probably say "told you so".

Democrat and republican are political parties.
Stop with the jersey.
You are a dyed in the wool lib/socialist.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Try Somalia.

Why, a theocracy ruled under Sharia is the ideal you seek.

There is no more free country in the world.

Than Somalia?

ROFL

What a fucking retard.

Ummmm fuckwad? Somalia is an Islamic Dictatorship where a half-dozen waring Mullahs seek supreme power and murder the opposition en masse.

Where do you get your idiocy? Some fucknut hate site like MoveOn or DemocraticUnderground?

Ummmm Shitferbrains, next time your rulers stick that turkey baster up your ass to give you your "talking points," you might want to vet the information.....

Good god but you Obamunists are a stupid lot.

Free of government. Take all your guns though, because others are free to do whatever they want to.

What a maroon....

PM(S) is a bitter old fart who thinks he somehow got cheated out of something.
He comes on here to simply be contrary.
He's a chain puller. Fuck 'em.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Hmmm, PMZ joined May of 2013...

When did JakeMatters get permabanned?

 

[Foxfyre]

Hmmm, PMZ joined May of 2013...

When did JakeMatters get permabanned?

Naw, Jake was still posting less than a week ago.

Without specifying who--we are not allowed to speak of the banned--I suspect several here are intentional plants, volunteer or paid, to intentionally deflect from certain topics, derail threads, disrupt as much as possible. In the past year I have had discussions with some who were doing that and wondered if I would be interested?

Makes sense though doesn't it? The internet is the one area that partisan groups, political parties, and the government has not been able to control. And we seem to be a key driving force of what is deemed newsworthy when the mainstream media won't touch it.

For instance the scientists who are now looking at a possible global cooling trend are not finding a ready market for publication of their research because such a notion is so politically incorrect and so counterproductive to government ambitions to continue their power and control grab. But enough are being heard/published to get my attention and I want more information.

Wouldn't it make sense for the paid or appointed thread derailers to not want such a concept to gain any traction on this or other message boards?

 

[FA_Q2]

Hmmm, PMZ joined May of 2013...

When did JakeMatters get permabanned?

Naw, Jake was still posting less than a week ago.

Without specifying who--we are not allowed to speak of the banned--I suspect several here are intentional plants, volunteer or paid, to intentionally deflect from certain topics, derail threads, disrupt as much as possible. In the past year I have had discussions with some who were doing that and wondered if I would be interested?

Makes sense though doesn't it? The internet is the one area that partisan groups, political parties, and the government has not been able to control. And we seem to be a key driving force of what is deemed newsworthy when the mainstream media won't touch it.

For instance the scientists who are now looking at a possible global cooling trend are not finding a ready market for publication of their research because such a notion is so politically incorrect and so counterproductive to government ambitions to continue their power and control grab. But enough are being heard/published to get my attention and I want more information.

Wouldn't it make sense for the paid or appointed thread derailers to not want such a concept to gain any traction on this or other message boards?

Naw. You cannot hit a large enough audience for that to be effective. You can spend entire days here with very little effect on a statistical level. Not only that but politics in this nation is VERY regional. IOW, the location of the target audience is more important than even the message. GOP candidates are not interested in what people in CA think and one of the main limiting factors on a message board like this is that locations are completely random. We even have several international posters. There is nothing to be gained on small boards like this. Where they are going to spend the cash is on things like twitter and other networking where they can target locations and reach larger groups of people.

 

[RKMBrown]

Hmmm, PMZ joined May of 2013...

When did JakeMatters get permabanned?

Naw, Jake was still posting less than a week ago.

Without specifying who--we are not allowed to speak of the banned--I suspect several here are intentional plants, volunteer or paid, to intentionally deflect from certain topics, derail threads, disrupt as much as possible. In the past year I have had discussions with some who were doing that and wondered if I would be interested?

Makes sense though doesn't it? The internet is the one area that partisan groups, political parties, and the government has not been able to control. And we seem to be a key driving force of what is deemed newsworthy when the mainstream media won't touch it.

For instance the scientists who are now looking at a possible global cooling trend are not finding a ready market for publication of their research because such a notion is so politically incorrect and so counterproductive to government ambitions to continue their power and control grab. But enough are being heard/published to get my attention and I want more information.

Wouldn't it make sense for the paid or appointed thread derailers to not want such a concept to gain any traction on this or other message boards?

Yeah, but I come from a board that was trafficked only by hobbyist wood workers... we had plenty of folk like PMS around. I doubt the parties have that many folks in their employ. There are plenty of folk who merely route for their side to be a good member of their choosen team. The ole it's us vs them at a ball game syndrome. We fight for our team irregardless, it's a genetic defense mechanism.

 

[PMZ]

Education. Research. Critical thinking skills. Time and effort. All of that stuff that you thought that you could rely on Rush and Rupert for, while you perched in the Lazy Boy.

You know, I've never heard Rupert Murdoch speak.

Does George Soros program you directly? Of course not, he uses ThinkProgress and Alternet to program you and the other termites.

Rupert Murdoch owns you.

 

[PMZ]

Try Somalia.

Why, a theocracy ruled under Sharia is the ideal you seek.

There is no more free country in the world.

Than Somalia?

ROFL

What a fucking retard.

Ummmm fuckwad? Somalia is an Islamic Dictatorship where a half-dozen waring Mullahs seek supreme power and murder the opposition en masse.

Where do you get your idiocy? Some fucknut hate site like MoveOn or DemocraticUnderground?

Ummmm Shitferbrains, next time your rulers stick that turkey baster up your ass to give you your "talking points," you might want to vet the information.....

Good god but you Obamunists are a stupid lot.

Free of government. Take all your guns though, because others are free to do whatever they want to.

What a maroon....

Clearly Somalia is another topic that you are nearly totally ignorant about. We'll have to start keeping a list.

You really do think that truth is whatever you want it to be. That you're entitled to that.

Here's what that attititude gets you. Permanent ignorance. No way out.

 

[PMZ]

What does "compassionate republican mean?" Socialist?

I know what compassionate means, believe that I am, and am a Republican.

I'm on the outs with the party though. I don't know if that's the fate of all compassionate Republicans or not.

Sounds like the same bullshit that starky pushes.

I have not seen you push one single idea that can even be remotely attributed to the right side of the political spectrum. Why not let us know where you are ‘republican.’ Sounds like the same bullshit that starky pushes.

I have not seen you push one single idea that can even be remotely attributed to the right side of the political spectrum. Why not let us know where you are ‘republican.’

Then again you said this:

He may love Texas, want to stay there, and try to change the laws so anti American liberals can't steal his money to waste on failed and ever growing liberal welfare programs.

Here's the problem. We are a democracy and everyone who's been paying attention knows that we simply can't afford conservatism. It will be generations before we get the last onslaught paid off.

If he's waiting for the electorate to vote conservatism back in, he's got one long wait.

So, sure, you are a ‘republican’ and I guess that I am a communist as we are not bothering with actual meanings to the words we use.

We ‘can’t afford conservatism’ is bullshit. We can’t afford the new spend our way to prosperity liberalism and the corporate cronyism anymore. We actually need a little conservatism as we have been devoid of that for a long time.

The CBO told Bush in 2001 that if he continued Clinton's economic policies the US would be debt free by 2006. Instead, he declared two holy wars. He cut taxes to the wealthy. He and Greenspan fed the housing boom with stuck near zero interest rates. He fiddled while Wall St invented and peddled mortgage backed derivatives. He cheered when mortgage initiators made billions peddling mortgages to any warm body, promising them easy riches from only rising home prices. Then they hid the risk and peddled the mortgages to others. He thought that it was great when business laid off millions of American workers in favor of cheap foreign labor recruited here or jobs sent there. When all of that greed and government inattention created the Great Recession, he was already packing up.

He will be regarded by history as the worst American President ever. Recovering from his blunders accounts for all of our current $17,000,000,000,000 debt. That's what he turned the possibility of a debt free country into.

He trashed the Republican Party. They have only one possibility for redemption. Lie at every opportunity. Jerk the chains of all of their syncophants addicted to Rush and Rupert and get them to accept the lies and spread them.

One problem. One of the few people good enough to lead our recovery back quicker than any of the other nations impacted by the Great Recession. Which is most nations.

And address our number one obstacle to global competitivity, our dismal health care non system.

And make progress on the largest project mankind has ever been forced to take on. Sustainable energy.

The GOP made a choice. They could have ditched the conservative Dixiecrats that dragged them into political irrelevance, apologized for the damage done, and gone back to work as public servants. Instead they've lied at every opportunity, virtually shut down Congress, and done everything possible to drag the country down to their level.

We simply are not that stupid. At least the majority of us aren't. And in a democracy, that's what counts.

There is no bigger threat to our freedom than the Republican plutocracy. But we've stopped it. And will continue to.

 

[PMZ]

Communism is dead? Tell that to the communist countries that remain around the world.

Who said well regulated capitalism would lead to the societal collapse? Where do you get these lies?

>> I'm a socialist, you're a socialist, everybody is.

LIAR!!!! I don't have a socialist bone in my body.

>>> markets where competition isn't practical

ROFL, your just a joke a minute. In what market is competition impractical?

>>> In fact, I doubt if the same isn't true of capitalism.

ROFL How many times are you not going to refuse to use double negatives in your sentence structure?

>>> It's pervasive in market's where competition can be maintained. And it can be regulated.

Yes, nimrod, capitalism is pervasive and it can be regulated.

Clear that you have limited education.

Marx and Engles, both respected economists, theorized that capitalism could not be effectively regulated, would inevitably result in wealth distribution unacceptable to society, and would result in a revolution not unlike our former one, but against our government instead of King George. Further they theorized that after the revolution the majority would react to their experience by going to the opposite extreme of capitalism.

It turns out that so far we, and other countries, have successfully regulated capitalism, and, at least up until now, avoided extreme wealth distribution. Good for us. No revolution.

Show us how to employ competition among multiple privately owned militaries.

If you knew what socialism is, you wouldn't be phobic about it.

>> Clear that you have limited education.
Everyone has a limited education. In my experience the people who resort to claiming that others of a conversation only disagree with their pov because they have a limited education, are typically shining examples of what engineers like to call dim light bulbs. Yes, I'm an engineer.

>> "Marx and Engles, both respected economists"

OMG someone get me a barf bag, I'm gonna puke.

>> Show us how to employ competition among multiple privately owned militaries.
You mean like the contractors that are working for corporations that get paid by our DOD? Basically competition for contract employees works by first submitting a request for bid for the job(s). Capitalist thinking employees and corporations having employees then submit their offer to do the job(s). The government employees, who are getting paid by the citizens of this nation, then select the bids that appear to be the best bang for the buck. Any other questions?

>>> Phobic about socialism?
I do intend to fight socialism to my last breath. If that makes me anti-socialist or phobic in your view with regard to all socialist designs, then so be it. Why are you phobic to freedom? Are you afraid no one would pay you a wage if you loose these vestiges of socialism?

"I do intend to fight socialism to my last breath"

Let's count the things that you will have to change to privately owned competitive means.

The military.

Medicare and Medicaid.

Social Security.

The VA.

NASA.

The FBI

The CIA.

The NSA

Homeland Security.

The CDC.

The FAA including all us airspace traffic control.

NOAA.

The Coast Guard.

The NTSB.

The IRS

The FCC.

The FDA.

The National Park Service.

The Federal Court System.

The Interstate Highway System.

Only a partial list but you better start moving if you are going to turn all of those into multiple competitive privately owned, make more money regardless of the cost to others, capitalism.

 

[PMZ]

ROFL clearly you have never flown over or driven around the country. The vast majority of America is bereft of human occupation. Some folks prefer to live in small rooms stacked on end with others.. it's a free country. I don't want your accommodation. More particularly I spit on your vile socialist / communist comments.

Incoming. Communism is dead. It turned out that well regulated capitalism doesn't lead to the societal collapse that Communism is based on.

Also. I'm a socialist, you're a socialist, everybody is. There is not a country in the world that doesn't employ socialism in markets where competition isn't practical.

In fact, I doubt if the same isn't true of capitalism. It's pervasive in market's where competition can be maintained. And it can be regulated.

So, you'll have to think of other epithets.

How 'bout "poopy head"?

I suppose the basis for you stating "we are all socialists" is based on the tired mantra of "police ,fire protection and highways are forms of socialism"
Sell that bullshit to someone else.

Clearly you are unable to learn it.