[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[Uncensored2008]

Education. Research. Critical thinking skills. Time and effort. All of that stuff that you thought that you could rely on Rush and Rupert for, while you perched in the Lazy Boy.

You know, I've never heard Rupert Murdoch speak.

Does George Soros program you directly? Of course not, he uses ThinkProgress and Alternet to program you and the other termites.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Try Somalia.

Why, a theocracy ruled under Sharia is the ideal you seek.

There is no more free country in the world.

Than Somalia?

ROFL

What a fucking retard.

Ummmm fuckwad? Somalia is an Islamic Dictatorship where a half-dozen waring Mullahs seek supreme power and murder the opposition en masse.

Where do you get your idiocy? Some fucknut hate site like MoveOn or DemocraticUnderground?

Ummmm Shitferbrains, next time your rulers stick that turkey baster up your ass to give you your "talking points," you might want to vet the information.....

Good god but you Obamunists are a stupid lot.

Free of government. Take all your guns though, because others are free to do whatever they want to.

What a maroon....

 

[Uncensored2008]

I know what compassionate means, believe that I am, and am a Republican.

I'm on the outs with the party though. I don't know if that's the fate of all compassionate Republicans or not.

You're stupid as a fucking doorknob, an authoritarian, a socialist, and now claim to be a "Republican."

That you, Jake?

Yeah, it is....

 

[FA_Q2]

Wrong on all counts. My parents were passionate Republicans. My immigrant grandparents passionate Democrats. I'm Protestant. I'm a Republican.

If my parents were still around I'm sure that they would agree that the GOP left us, not vice versa. My grandparents would probably say "told you so".

What does "compassionate republican mean?" Socialist?

I know what compassionate means, believe that I am, and am a Republican.

I'm on the outs with the party though. I don't know if that's the fate of all compassionate Republicans or not.

Sounds like the same bullshit that starky pushes.

I have not seen you push one single idea that can even be remotely attributed to the right side of the political spectrum. Why not let us know where you are ‘republican.’ Sounds like the same bullshit that starky pushes.

I have not seen you push one single idea that can even be remotely attributed to the right side of the political spectrum. Why not let us know where you are ‘republican.’

Then again you said this:

Then why don't you move to an inhabitant island? You'd be absolutely free and nobody would dream redistributing your income -- which, I'm sure, will be quite high. With nobody standing in your way, i'm sure you will be making tons of money.

He may love Texas, want to stay there, and try to change the laws so anti American liberals can't steal his money to waste on failed and ever growing liberal welfare programs.

Here's the problem. We are a democracy and everyone who's been paying attention knows that we simply can't afford conservatism. It will be generations before we get the last onslaught paid off.

If he's waiting for the electorate to vote conservatism back in, he's got one long wait.

So, sure, you are a ‘republican’ and I guess that I am a communist as we are not bothering with actual meanings to the words we use.

We ‘can’t afford conservatism’ is bullshit. We can’t afford the new spend our way to prosperity liberalism and the corporate cronyism anymore. We actually need a little conservatism as we have been devoid of that for a long time.

 

[FA_Q2]

I'm sorry you feel that way. But since you do, moving to an inhabited island might be your only choice. Americans won't accept that while they all work hard to create new wealth, most of it goes to the top 1%.

dear, if they don't want Gates and Jobs to have so much wealth they would not buy their products!! You want them to buy from Gates and Jobs and then steal the money back??

Why then can't Jobs and Gates sell you the product and then steal it back so they have more for charity??

That's nearly the stupidest thing that I've ever heard. The only reason that Jobs and Gates are wealthy is because gamblers betting on stock prices against each other made them so. The small contribution that the two of them made to their companies was mostly from being in the right place at the right time. Not a whole lot different than lottery winners.

Apparently you have no idea what they did or how they built up their companies. This is more of the bullshit ‘you did not build that.’ Unfortunately for you they DID build that.

 

[tooAlive]

You need to look up the meaning of "socialism" and "capitalism". They are both globally pervasive.

There are no "free markets" and haven't been for quite some time.

"Flat taxes" would make us a third world banana republic almost instantly.

I don't know anybody who's against either private property or public property.

I know exactly what socialism is.

It's the neo-liberals like yourself that have given it a new meaning.

What socialistic market presently supported in the US would you change to privately owned means, and why?
.

It's start by getting rid of the horrendous tax code we have now.

 

[RKMBrown]

Incoming. Communism is dead. It turned out that well regulated capitalism doesn't lead to the societal collapse that Communism is based on.

Also. I'm a socialist, you're a socialist, everybody is. There is not a country in the world that doesn't employ socialism in markets where competition isn't practical.

In fact, I doubt if the same isn't true of capitalism. It's pervasive in market's where competition can be maintained. And it can be regulated.

So, you'll have to think of other epithets.

How 'bout "poopy head"?

Communism is dead? Tell that to the communist countries that remain around the world.

Who said well regulated capitalism would lead to the societal collapse? Where do you get these lies?

>> I'm a socialist, you're a socialist, everybody is.

LIAR!!!! I don't have a socialist bone in my body.

>>> markets where competition isn't practical

ROFL, your just a joke a minute. In what market is competition impractical?

>>> In fact, I doubt if the same isn't true of capitalism.

ROFL How many times are you not going to refuse to use double negatives in your sentence structure?

>>> It's pervasive in market's where competition can be maintained. And it can be regulated.

Yes, nimrod, capitalism is pervasive and it can be regulated.

Clear that you have limited education.

Marx and Engles, both respected economists, theorized that capitalism could not be effectively regulated, would inevitably result in wealth distribution unacceptable to society, and would result in a revolution not unlike our former one, but against our government instead of King George. Further they theorized that after the revolution the majority would react to their experience by going to the opposite extreme of capitalism.

It turns out that so far we, and other countries, have successfully regulated capitalism, and, at least up until now, avoided extreme wealth distribution. Good for us. No revolution.

Show us how to employ competition among multiple privately owned militaries.

If you knew what socialism is, you wouldn't be phobic about it.

>> Clear that you have limited education.
Everyone has a limited education. In my experience the people who resort to claiming that others of a conversation only disagree with their pov because they have a limited education, are typically shining examples of what engineers like to call dim light bulbs. Yes, I'm an engineer.

>> "Marx and Engles, both respected economists"

OMG someone get me a barf bag, I'm gonna puke.

>> Show us how to employ competition among multiple privately owned militaries.
You mean like the contractors that are working for corporations that get paid by our DOD? Basically competition for contract employees works by first submitting a request for bid for the job(s). Capitalist thinking employees and corporations having employees then submit their offer to do the job(s). The government employees, who are getting paid by the citizens of this nation, then select the bids that appear to be the best bang for the buck. Any other questions?

>>> Phobic about socialism?
I do intend to fight socialism to my last breath. If that makes me anti-socialist or phobic in your view with regard to all socialist designs, then so be it. Why are you phobic to freedom? Are you afraid no one would pay you a wage if you loose these vestiges of socialism?

 

[Dick Tuck]

I keep hearing liberals say day after day, "the rich need to pay their fair share!"

But when asked how much the "fair share" actually is, they have no idea and never come out with a specific number. Others just beat around the bush and talk about periods in our history when top marginal tax rates were in the 90% range (even though nobody ever paid that rate), but say that's not really what they want. Maybe out of fear they'll get called communists.

Anyways, I thought I'd put an end to the confusion once and for all with this poll.

Liberals, what should be the "fair share" the rich have to pay in taxes?

Conservatives, feel free to chime in as well.

The poll makes no sense. Fair share is that those who benefit most, pay more, with what is considered disposable income. How much? How much does government need to function? And damn straight, someone with a $1,000,000 dollar GAI should pay higher percentage than someone getting by on minimum wage.

 

[Gadawg73]

The very folks that do not want government watching over us and reading our e-mails want to give the power to government on what is a "fair share", how much they are allowed to plunder from citizens and what makes one qualify as "in need".
The growth of government has a direct correlation to the growth and the creation of a society of the poor, uneducated, children born out of wedlock with no father in the home moocher class.

 

[Dick Tuck]

Education. Research. Critical thinking skills. Time and effort. All of that stuff that you thought that you could rely on Rush and Rupert for, while you perched in the Lazy Boy.

You know, I've never heard Rupert Murdoch speak.

Does George Soros program you directly? Of course not, he uses ThinkProgress and Alternet to program you and the other termites.

Spoken like a true Koch sucker.

 

[Dick Tuck]

The very folks that do not want government watching over us and reading our e-mails want to give the power to government on what is a "fair share", how much they are allowed to plunder from citizens and what makes one qualify as "in need".
The growth of government has a direct correlation to the growth and the creation of a society of the poor, uneducated, children born out of wedlock with no father in the home moocher class.

Meanwhile the very wealthy milk the tax payer for credits. You sound like you want an uneducated society. Is that your Ayn Rand wet dream? Only the wealthy should have education? Only the wealthy should have health care? Only the wealthy should buy congress and tell them how to enact laws that sweetens their pot?

The real moocher class is those who own this country. The stupid lemmings who support them are too stupid to see them selling us down the river.

 

[RKMBrown]

The very folks that do not want government watching over us and reading our e-mails want to give the power to government on what is a "fair share", how much they are allowed to plunder from citizens and what makes one qualify as "in need".
The growth of government has a direct correlation to the growth and the creation of a society of the poor, uneducated, children born out of wedlock with no father in the home moocher class.

Meanwhile the very wealthy milk the tax payer for credits. You sound like you want an uneducated society. Is that your Ayn Rand wet dream? Only the wealthy should have education? Only the wealthy should have health care? Only the wealthy should buy congress and tell them how to enact laws that sweetens their pot?

The real moocher class is those who own this country. The stupid lemmings who support them are too stupid to see them selling us down the river.

There are plenty of moochers to go around in every segment of our society.

 

[FA_Q2]

The very folks that do not want government watching over us and reading our e-mails want to give the power to government on what is a "fair share", how much they are allowed to plunder from citizens and what makes one qualify as "in need".
The growth of government has a direct correlation to the growth and the creation of a society of the poor, uneducated, children born out of wedlock with no father in the home moocher class.

Meanwhile the very wealthy milk the tax payer for credits. You sound like you want an uneducated society. Is that your Ayn Rand wet dream? Only the wealthy should have education? Only the wealthy should have health care? Only the wealthy should buy congress and tell them how to enact laws that sweetens their pot?

The real moocher class is those who own this country. The stupid lemmings who support them are too stupid to see them selling us down the river.

And all that is made possible by the asinine ‘progressive’ tax system.

Make one exception and more follow, period. Our current system proves that reality.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Here's the problem. We are a democracy and everyone who's been paying attention knows that we simply can't afford conservatism. It will be generations before we get the last onslaught paid off.

If he's waiting for the electorate to vote conservatism back in, he's got one long wait.

The United States is NOT a democracy. It is a Representative Republic. Huge difference.

Representative Republic is a form of democracy. That's why the right will ultimately lose -- because you can only fool people to vote against their own interest only for so long.

You know that and that's why you are so afraid of democracy.

LOL....Sarcastic...
A "form of democracy" does not a democracy make.
HUGE difference.
Read and learn. An absolute democracy, which you people believe the US to be, is when at ALL times 50% plus one rules and there is no redress.
"That's why the right will ultimately lose -- because you can only fool people to vote against their own interest only for so long."..
I have no clue what the above means. If it means anything more than an attempt to project.
If anyone is voting against their self interest it those who are business owners, wealthy people, parents, home owners, etc because Obama's policies are making it much tougher to be one of those people.

Let us know if and when you or a loved one becomes a crime victim and the system protects the rights of the criminal and ignores yours...

 

[Uncensored2008]

That's nearly the stupidest thing that I've ever heard. The only reason that Jobs and Gates are wealthy is because gamblers betting on stock prices against each other made them so. The small contribution that the two of them made to their companies was mostly from being in the right place at the right time. Not a whole lot different than lottery winners.

Apparently you have no idea what they did or how they built up their companies. This is more of the bullshit ‘you did not build that.’ Unfortunately for you they DID build that.

I put his line up in the "Stupidest liberal line" thread.

Idiocy like that deserves to be immortalized.

THIS is what we're up against.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Don't you believe in capitalism for wealth redistribution? Didn't you believe in the Bush wealth redistribution tax cuts for the wealthy? The whole Bush administration was one endless river of wealth, redirected from the creators of wealth, workers, to those who don't have to work, the already wealthy.

The Bush tax cuts provided 100%+ tax cuts to the poor, 30-50% tax cuts to the middle class, 15% to the upper middle class, and 5-10% tax cuts to the rich.

I'm gonna guess you're one of "those" libs that are math challenged.

Here's the math that you neglected to report.

The "cuts" to the poor and middle class were one check in 2001, and another in 2003. The cuts to the wealthy continued for 12 years.

But, of course you knew that. Must have forgotten to report it.

Bullshit. EVERY tax bracket percentage was lowered until Obama broke his promise( no one who makes less than $250,000 will have their taxes raised) and increased EVERYONE'S taxes.

 

[thereisnospoon]

One of the reasons that I have so little respect for conservatives is that I've never met one who could defend what you all are required to believe. I guess you won't be the one to break that streak.

The problem is, we aren't really required to believe what your hate sites claim we do.

You erect a straw man and fight against it, then declare that you are victorious. If not for logical fallacy, you would never even approach logic.

Some day, maybe, you'll realize that you cannot defend what the media told you was true, and they can't either. It's lies built on lies.

Your shortcoming is not in your inability to defend what they told you, but in your inability to critically evaluate it, and reject what's knowably untrue.

An epic failure in American education.

You project yourself as though you have it all figured out.
That makes you an arrogant pompous ass.

 

[RKMBrown]

The problem is, we aren't really required to believe what your hate sites claim we do.

You erect a straw man and fight against it, then declare that you are victorious. If not for logical fallacy, you would never even approach logic.

Some day, maybe, you'll realize that you cannot defend what the media told you was true, and they can't either. It's lies built on lies.

Your shortcoming is not in your inability to defend what they told you, but in your inability to critically evaluate it, and reject what's knowably untrue.

An epic failure in American education.

You project yourself as though you have it all figured out.
That makes you an arrogant pompous ass.

I think he's just defending his welfare supply line.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Free is defined by our Constitution and is the same in all states.

In what way are you more free in Texas than people in all states are?

We have no state income tax. With the exception of a few cities, we eschew most of the socialist ideas for constitutional conservative ideas. Unfortunately we still get the occasional democrat who realizes this is a republican state so they switch hats and pretend to be republican to get elected. I can drink a soda of any size here. I can even have a large pizza pie if I want. Hell I can cc a pistol and store one in the glove box of my car. Heck I can even pee out the back porch and take a shoot at deer, turkey, and other game right off my back porch.

Clearly some people are made to be widely separated from their neighbors, for everyone's sake. Most of us live among neighbors so there's still open places to put people like you. But, the world is running out of space. That's why having to accomodate people like you is getting less and less tolerable to the civilized majority.

It is you who are in the minority.
The politically correct fearful of words, absolute security over freedom type. One who feels guilty over any kind of success they might have.
The hypocritical douche bag that drives an SUV with a Greenpeace sticker on the rear bumper.
The wealthy lib that will fly a private jet built to seat 10 people, by himself to travel to a conference on climate change.

 

[kaz]

I keep hearing liberals say day after day, "the rich need to pay their fair share!"

But when asked how much the "fair share" actually is, they have no idea and never come out with a specific number. Others just beat around the bush and talk about periods in our history when top marginal tax rates were in the 90% range (even though nobody ever paid that rate), but say that's not really what they want. Maybe out of fear they'll get called communists.

Anyways, I thought I'd put an end to the confusion once and for all with this poll.

Liberals, what should be the "fair share" the rich have to pay in taxes?

Conservatives, feel free to chime in as well.

A fair share for the rich is "more." I like your question, I ask liberals this too. At what point would you say the rich are paying too much and advocate a tax cut for them? It's funny, try it. They don't get the question.