Poll: If you could send, a message back in time telling the people of Germany, not to let Hitler take away their guns, would you?

[surada]

What part of the government controlling the means of production is getting past you idiots? The rest is simply window dressing or cultural preferences of the socialists controlling the economy........

The national socialists were socialists......they just were German socialists who didn't give a f**k about the rest of the world the way the international socialists did......you dumb ass....

The paramilitary, the blm/antifa of the day were no different from Maos red guards or the communist thugs around the world..........

The Freikorps paramilitary were hard right nationalists and anti communists

Freikorps

The Freikorp, translating as Free Corps, were an armed group with right wing beliefs. They were made up of mainly former soldiers who were patriotic nationalistic Germans and anti-communists.

www.tutor2u.net

 

[2aguy]

The Freikorps paramilitary were hard right nationalists and anti communists

Freikorps

The Freikorp, translating as Free Corps, were an armed group with right wing beliefs. They were made up of mainly former soldiers who were patriotic nationalistic Germans and anti-communists.

www.tutor2u.net

No....they were German socialists kicking out the international socialists....

 

[2aguy]

The Freikorps paramilitary were hard right nationalists and anti communists

Freikorps

The Freikorp, translating as Free Corps, were an armed group with right wing beliefs. They were made up of mainly former soldiers who were patriotic nationalistic Germans and anti-communists.

www.tutor2u.net

Moron....

The Nazis and communists were not only in a struggle for street-war supremacy, but also recruits. These recruits were easily turned, because both sides were fighting for the same men. Hayek recalls

the relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was generally known in Germany, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. Many a University teacher during the 1930s has seen English or American students return from the Continent uncertain whether they were communists or Nazis and certain they hated Western liberal civilization. . . . To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common and whom they could not hope to convince is the liberal of the old type.

One way Nazi propagandists exploited this ideological match was the communist red. They used the color on purpose. As Hitler states in “Mein Kampf,” “We chose red for out posters [and flag] after particular and careful deliberation . . . so as to arouse [potential communist recruits’] attention and tempt them to come to our meetings.” And Stalinist Russia didn’t exactly promote trade unions.

Nazi leadership and recruiters weren’t the only ones to see similarities between themselves and communists. George Orwell remarked, “Internally, Germany has a good deal in common with a socialist state.” Max Eastman, an old friend of Vladimir Lenin, described Stalin’s brand of communism as “super fascist.”

After several years on the continent, British writer F.A. Voight concluded, “Marxism has led to Fascism and National Socialism because in all essentials it is Fascism and National Socialism.” Peter Drucker, author of the acclaimed book, “The End of Economic Man,” stated, “The complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian, purely negative, non-economic society of unfreedom and inequality which Germany has been following.”

Read A Pile Of Top Nazis Talking About How They Love Leftist Marxism

From the moment they enter the political fray, young right-wingers are told, ‘You own the Nazis.’ But it’s all a lie, a smear tactic.

thefederalist.com

 

[JoeB131]

And you don’t seem to know that Twitter was getting directions from the Government.

So Trump's justice department told Twitter not to promote a story that would have benefited Trump.

Interesting.

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong, dipshit…….you guys try to hide the truth with the racism and nationalism, but that is a lie……the government controlling the means of production is socialism…you doofus……the national socialists controlled every single aspect of the economy…….they were leftist totalitarians………….everything else is just window dressing…….l

I notice you keep skipping over the part about Japanese Americans not being saved by brave patriots with guns... why is that?

The government didn't control the means of production in Nazi Germany. Krupp, Messerschmidt, and all the other big industrial combines continued to operate and found feeding Germany's military industrial complex more lucrative than making consumer goods.

What part of the government controlling the means of production is getting past you idiots? The rest is simply window dressing or cultural preferences of the socialists controlling the economy........

The national socialists were socialists......they just were German socialists who didn't give a f**k about the rest of the world the way the international socialists did......you dumb ass....

The paramilitary, the blm/antifa of the day were no different from Maos red guards or the communist thugs around the world..........

NOt really true. By 1933 the NDSAP had reached an ideological split. Those led by Rohm and Strasser, who wanted the Party to continue to work towards armed revolution, and those led by Goering who saw the way to power was by the acquisition of power in the Reichstag through elections.

The people who ran things - the military-industrial complex - in Germany said, "Yeah, we might tolerate Hitler as Chancellor, but Rohm has to go." As a result, the night of the Long Knives, where Rohm, Strasser and a lot of the socialist elements in the NSDAP were liquidated. The SA was largely neutered as a political force at that point, and Hitler gained power because people like Hindenburg and von Papen thought Hitler could be contained.

 

[surada]

Moron....

The Nazis and communists were not only in a struggle for street-war supremacy, but also recruits. These recruits were easily turned, because both sides were fighting for the same men. Hayek recalls


One way Nazi propagandists exploited this ideological match was the communist red. They used the color on purpose. As Hitler states in “Mein Kampf,” “We chose red for out posters [and flag] after particular and careful deliberation . . . so as to arouse [potential communist recruits’] attention and tempt them to come to our meetings.” And Stalinist Russia didn’t exactly promote trade unions.

Nazi leadership and recruiters weren’t the only ones to see similarities between themselves and communists. George Orwell remarked, “Internally, Germany has a good deal in common with a socialist state.” Max Eastman, an old friend of Vladimir Lenin, described Stalin’s brand of communism as “super fascist.”

After several years on the continent, British writer F.A. Voight concluded, “Marxism has led to Fascism and National Socialism because in all essentials it is Fascism and National Socialism.” Peter Drucker, author of the acclaimed book, “The End of Economic Man,” stated, “The complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian, purely negative, non-economic society of unfreedom and inequality which Germany has been following.”

Read A Pile Of Top Nazis Talking About How They Love Leftist Marxism

From the moment they enter the political fray, young right-wingers are told, ‘You own the Nazis.’ But it’s all a lie, a smear tactic.

thefederalist.com

Hitler didn't nationalize any industries. He courted the industrialists and provided them with free labor.

In late 1932 the Nazi party was broke. The industrialists bailed them out.

 

[surada]

Moron....

The Nazis and communists were not only in a struggle for street-war supremacy, but also recruits. These recruits were easily turned, because both sides were fighting for the same men. Hayek recalls


One way Nazi propagandists exploited this ideological match was the communist red. They used the color on purpose. As Hitler states in “Mein Kampf,” “We chose red for out posters [and flag] after particular and careful deliberation . . . so as to arouse [potential communist recruits’] attention and tempt them to come to our meetings.” And Stalinist Russia didn’t exactly promote trade unions.

Nazi leadership and recruiters weren’t the only ones to see similarities between themselves and communists. George Orwell remarked, “Internally, Germany has a good deal in common with a socialist state.” Max Eastman, an old friend of Vladimir Lenin, described Stalin’s brand of communism as “super fascist.”

After several years on the continent, British writer F.A. Voight concluded, “Marxism has led to Fascism and National Socialism because in all essentials it is Fascism and National Socialism.” Peter Drucker, author of the acclaimed book, “The End of Economic Man,” stated, “The complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian, purely negative, non-economic society of unfreedom and inequality which Germany has been following.”

Read A Pile Of Top Nazis Talking About How They Love Leftist Marxism

From the moment they enter the political fray, young right-wingers are told, ‘You own the Nazis.’ But it’s all a lie, a smear tactic.

thefederalist.com

JoeB131

Weimar political parties.

Weimar political parties - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[surada]

And then it freed him up to go after his defenseless victims.

The German people were not disarmed and they didn't fight back to stop Hitler.

Weimar political parties - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[JoeB131]

JoeB131

Weimar political parties.

Weimar political parties - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Exactly my point. Weimar politics were kind of a mess.

 

[surada]

No....they were German socialists kicking out the international socialists....

You're so wrong. Why don't you go with the facts?

You still don't know anything about the Weimar political parties.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_political_parties#Weimar_political_parties

 

[2aguy]

I notice you keep skipping over the part about Japanese Americans not being saved by brave patriots with guns... why is that?

The government didn't control the means of production in Nazi Germany. Krupp, Messerschmidt, and all the other big industrial combines continued to operate and found feeding Germany's military industrial complex more lucrative than making consumer goods.



NOt really true. By 1933 the NDSAP had reached an ideological split. Those led by Rohm and Strasser, who wanted the Party to continue to work towards armed revolution, and those led by Goering who saw the way to power was by the acquisition of power in the Reichstag through elections.

The people who ran things - the military-industrial complex - in Germany said, "Yeah, we might tolerate Hitler as Chancellor, but Rohm has to go." As a result, the night of the Long Knives, where Rohm, Strasser and a lot of the socialist elements in the NSDAP were liquidated. The SA was largely neutered as a political force at that point, and Hitler gained power because people like Hindenburg and von Papen thought Hitler could be contained.

Yeah......not widespread and no death camps.....Also, no brutalization before.....and, a democrat did it.....again, this is why you don't give up your guns and you don't support democrats....

Yeah, they got rid of a political rival.....all socialists do that, you doofus.....and Rohm, had he been smarter would have gotten rid of the socialists in the military......

And the industrialists would have been "disappeared," had they stepped out of line too....you doofus...

The Myth of "Nazi Capitalism" | Chris Calton

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”
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Nazis Were Not Marxists, but They Were Socialists | Jörg Guido Hülsmann

 

[2aguy]

You're so wrong. Why don't you go with the facts?

You still don't know anything about the Weimar political parties.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_political_parties#Weimar_political_parties

Socialists purge weaker socialists...you doofus.....that you pretend that you don't understand this is just dumb....

Please...tell us that the Sinaloa cartel murdering and torturing members of the Gulf Cartel actually means that the Sinaloa isn't really a drug cartel......please, use your logic to explain that....

 

[surada]

Socialists purge weaker socialists...you doofus.....that you pretend that you don't understand this is just dumb....

Please...tell us that the Sinaloa cartel murdering and torturing members of the Gulf Cartel actually means that the Sinaloa isn't really a drug cartel......please, use your logic to explain that....

Why change the subject? Hitler purged the German government of socialists, communists, Jews and Democrats in 1933.

He didn't nationalize any industries. He courted German industrialists.

You really don't know anything.

Weimar political parties - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[2aguy]

Why change the subject? Hitler purged the German government of socialists, communists, Jews and Democrats in 1933.

He didn't nationalize any industries. He courted German industrialists.

You really don't know anything.

Weimar political parties - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

No....hitler purged Germany of the communists...the other socialists vying for power. The German socialists won.

He did nationalize industries you idiot....

From two actual economists, who were alive during the rise of the socialists in Germany.

The Myth of "Nazi Capitalism" | Chris Calton

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.

Nazis Were Not Marxists, but They Were Socialists | Jörg Guido Hülsmann
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Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitalism.”

It would, indeed, hardly have been possible for the Nationalists to advance fundamental objections to the economic policy of the other socialist parties when their own published programme differed from these only in that its socialism was much cruder and less rational. The famous 25 points drawn up by Herr Feder,[2] one of Hitler’s early allies, repeatedly endorsed by Hitler and recognized by the by-laws of the National-Socialist party as the immutable basis of all its actions, which together with an extensive commentary is circulating throughout Germany in many hundreds of thousands of copies, is full of ideas resembling those of the early socialists. But the dominant feature is a fierce hatred of anything capitalistic -individualistic profit seeking, large scale enterprise, banks, joint-stock companies, department stores, “international finance and loan capital,” the system of “interest slavery” in general; the abolition of these is described as the “[indecipherable] of the programme, around which everything else turns.” It was to this programme that the masses of the German people, who were already completely under the influence of collectivist ideas, responded so enthusiastically.

That this violent anti-capitalistic attack is genuine – and not a mere piece of propaganda – becomes as clear from the personal history of the intellectual leaders of the movement as from the general milieu from which it springs. It is not even denied that man of the young men who today play a prominent part in it have previously been communists or socialists. And to any observer of the literary tendencies which made the Germans intelligentsia ready to join the ranks of the new party, it must be clear that the common characteristic of all the politically influential writers – in many cases free from definite party affiliations – was their anti-liberal and anti-capitalist trend. Groups like that formed around the review “Die Tat” have made the phrase “the end of capitalism” an accepted dogma to most young Germans.[3]

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah......not widespread and no death camps.....Also, no brutalization before.....and, a democrat did it.....again, this is why you don't give up your guns and you don't support democrats....

The Nazis were Democrats? Um... really? Because it seems like all the Nazis are on your side now.

No....hitler purged Germany of the communists...the other socialists vying for power. The German socialists won.

He did nationalize industries you idiot....

From two actual economists, who were alive during the rise of the socialists in Germany.

Yawn, you can babble all day, but the point is, the shop owners were allowed to keep their shop. The Krupps and the Bayers and the other big corporations were allowed to make obscene profits off the German War Machine. THEY could have put a stop to Hitler, and they didn't. They said, "Hey, just get rid of asshole Roehm and we are good with you."