· Pennsylvania approves sharp increases for Obamacare plans.

[Arianrhod]

Meanwhile the far right is just as willing to let regulated insurance screw us.

But if it's regulated it's all good, right?

Only if you voting for the nanny state.

Do you really think that this increase is legitimate (is the OP true) or do you think this is an isolated instance ?

It's a scare tactic. Brought to you by the Koch brothers and their limitless ad buys.

 

[anotherlife]

Conservatives say that the ACA was designed and negotiated behind closed door, specifically excluding the private healthcare industry. This is a gigantic lie. This Pennsylvania law shows, that it is primarily the private insurance providers that cash in on the ACA.

The US healthcare sector is a closely controlled and consolidated "market". So, the ACA should be allowed to replace the private insurers. It is not and has never been a competitive free "market". Why does the ACA not replace the private insurers, like every other country has already done? Because Americans choose to kill half of their 401k/IRA investments into that phony private healthcare sector.

b/c Americans choose freedom of tyranny.

socialism isn't working, as we told you morons it wouldn't

But you cornered the market. Now what?

what are you talking about?

how have I cornered the market?

This is how. Before Reagan, the healthcare insurance market was like any other insurance market. The users of the services paid premiums, and insurance policies plus out of pockets paid the service providers. Since all these monies eventually came from the earnings of the users of the services, it was affordable and balanced.

Then came in the idea of employer sponsored healthcare. This inflated the 3rd party payee that is the insurance carrier. From that point on, only group plans mattered, and all prices became independent of any earning. Hence it was unaffordable.

The previously existing market was at that point flooded by the free cash of the group plans, and all previous players got cornered out of the market. All negotiations became restricted to group policies and maximizing the cash flow for the largest institutional investors such as your 401k fund managers. With those kinds of monies, only one or two players are possible, like blue cross blue shield and the likes thereof.

A cornered and centrally controlled "market" is always automatically the transition to governmental state ownership. This is where the ACA comes in. The ACA was advertised as written behind closed doors, excluding the existing players that currently corner the market. Such closed doors certainly are not possible, so the ACA was written to give even more power to those controlling corporations. This extra power is legislative, those corporations are now allowed to tax you under the name of affordable health care.

This is necessary, because the part of your 401k that is invested in the US healthcare, a very hefty part usually, would immediately collapse, if the unaffordable healthcare is not paid for any more because the citizens and employers can't afford to pay the premiums to corporations. By moving that premium obligation to taxation level, the government can ensure your 401k managers that the cash flow is maintained, and you will not see your pension plan collapse for it. Too bad, you will not be able to see your doctor from prison if you can't afford it.

Obama's idea of the ACA was totally different though from what it is now. Obama planned to completely replace the cornered, 3rd party controlled market with a government run scheme, like every other country does, and with a lot more success than anything the US has to date.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Then came in the idea of employer sponsored healthcare. This inflated the 3rd party payee that is the insurance carrier. From that point on, only group plans mattered, and all prices became independent of any earning. Hence it was unaffordable. ..

bullshit

The previously existing market was at that point flooded by the free cash of the group plans, and all previous players got cornered out of the market.

wth is 'free cash'? And you can still get a plan for yourself

A cornered and centrally controlled "market" is always automatically the transition to governmental state ownership.

that's so painfully ignorant...




good lord, nothing but fear mongering.

 

[anotherlife]

Then came in the idea of employer sponsored healthcare. This inflated the 3rd party payee that is the insurance carrier. From that point on, only group plans mattered, and all prices became independent of any earning. Hence it was unaffordable. ..

bullshit

The previously existing market was at that point flooded by the free cash of the group plans, and all previous players got cornered out of the market.

wth is 'free cash'? And you can still get a plan for yourself

A cornered and centrally controlled "market" is always automatically the transition to governmental state ownership.

that's so painfully ignorant...




good lord, nothing but fear mongering.

Not fear mongering but simply history. The free cash part means that when it is not the buyer and provider of a service that negotiate with each other about price but a 3rd party that uses other people's money, such as a provider or an insurer or an employer who use investor cash to elevate service prices. This investor cash is usually from "bundled" 401k mutual funds, no longer featuring the names of who's individual accounts they represent. This is why it is free cash. Loss of it is only a loss to account holders, but to none of the real players. And by the way, such an inflationary mechanism is a loss at the buyer side of the service industry too, a double whammy for healthcare users in America.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Then came in the idea of employer sponsored healthcare. This inflated the 3rd party payee that is the insurance carrier. From that point on, only group plans mattered, and all prices became independent of any earning. Hence it was unaffordable. ..

bullshit

The previously existing market was at that point flooded by the free cash of the group plans, and all previous players got cornered out of the market.

wth is 'free cash'? And you can still get a plan for yourself

A cornered and centrally controlled "market" is always automatically the transition to governmental state ownership.

that's so painfully ignorant...




good lord, nothing but fear mongering.

Not by a long shot.