Patton and Eisenhower would have beaten ISIL............

[ABikerSailor]

It seems that a lot of Republicans currently think that our military is weak, has been decimated, and isn't being allowed to fight the terrorists.

They then say that Eisenhower or Patton would have been able to beat ISIL in a short amount of time.

Yeah.................but back in WWII, they weren't constrained by things like the Geneva Conventions, which came about AFTER WWII, because of all the really horrific things that had gone on, like the Dresden bombing (which was basically carpet bombing to get a few enemy at the cost of many innocent civilian lives).

But, RumsFAILED said back before the Iraq war that "you go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you wished you had".

And, the war that ISIL is fighting isn't anything like the conventional warfare of old, it's more like the guerrilla warfare that was done during Viet Nam.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

When over half of your sorties come back with their payloads you're doing something wrong

 

[Stratford57]

When over half of your sorties come back with their payloads you're doing something wrong

The question is: having such a Commander and Chief what are you supposed and permitted to do right?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Geneva Convention referred to above was the fourth one, held after WWII, to update the ones 1864, 1906, and 1929.

If American commanders had the hardware, troops, logicistics, and munitions available today that Patton and Eisenhower had back then, the US would rules the ME. Why would we want it?

 

[jwoodie]

And, the war that ISIL is fighting isn't anything like the conventional warfare of old, it's more like the guerrilla warfare that was done during Viet Nam.

I disagree: No jungle, open terrain, precision guided ordinance. We already proved we could win a war over there; we just gave that victory away and lost the peace.

The one thing we should NOT do is use our military as policemen patrolling the streets of Fallujah. We can easily cordon off areas and prevent hostile forces from entering or leaving, but we should not be fighting in someone else's civil war.

 

[deltex1]

It seems that a lot of Republicans currently think that our military is weak, has been decimated, and isn't being allowed to fight the terrorists.

They then say that Eisenhower or Patton would have been able to beat ISIL in a short amount of time.

Yeah.................but back in WWII, they weren't constrained by things like the Geneva Conventions, which came about AFTER WWII, because of all the really horrific things that had gone on, like the Dresden bombing (which was basically carpet bombing to get a few enemy at the cost of many innocent civilian lives).

But, RumsFAILED said back before the Iraq war that "you go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you wished you had".

And, the war that ISIL is fighting isn't anything like the conventional warfare of old, it's more like the guerrilla warfare that was done during Viet Nam.

There's no jungle. We know where they are. We can cut their supply lines. Tell the civilians to leave...and what route to take. Then give the ultimatum. If they don't surrender...level the place. If they don't let civilians leave....tough shit. Issue them virgins as well. Allahu Akbar......yo.

 

[rightwinger]

When over half of your sorties come back with their payloads you're doing something wrong

Seems like they are being responsible in their choice of targets

 

[SassyIrishLass]

It seems that a lot of Republicans currently think that our military is weak, has been decimated, and isn't being allowed to fight the terrorists.

They then say that Eisenhower or Patton would have been able to beat ISIL in a short amount of time.

Yeah.................but back in WWII, they weren't constrained by things like the Geneva Conventions, which came about AFTER WWII, because of all the really horrific things that had gone on, like the Dresden bombing (which was basically carpet bombing to get a few enemy at the cost of many innocent civilian lives).

But, RumsFAILED said back before the Iraq war that "you go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you wished you had".

And, the war that ISIL is fighting isn't anything like the conventional warfare of old, it's more like the guerrilla warfare that was done during Viet Nam.

There's no jungle. We know where they are. We can cut their supply lines. Tell the civilians to leave...and what route to take. Then give the ultimatum. If they don't surrender...level the place. If they don't let civilians leave....tough shit. Issue them virgins as well. Allahu Akbar......yo.

Good point....we didn't seem to stall in Desert Storm....of course leadership was a tad better

 

[SassyIrishLass]

When over half of your sorties come back with their payloads you're doing something wrong

Seems like they are being responsible in their choice of targets

Or afraid of collateral damage....are our enemies afraid of collateral damage? You can't win a war when one side has rules and the other one doesn't

 

[deltex1]

When over half of your sorties come back with their payloads you're doing something wrong

Seems like they are being responsible in their choice of targets

You choose your target,
select the weapon to destroy it
Launch the aircraft
Arrive over selected target
Call the lawyers
Report civilians in the area.
Return home.
Dats how Obabble do it, yo....

 

[bodecea]

When over half of your sorties come back with their payloads you're doing something wrong

What the heck do YOU know?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

When over half of your sorties come back with their payloads you're doing something wrong

Seems like they are being responsible in their choice of targets

You choose your target,
select the weapon to destroy it
Launch the aircraft
Arrive over selected target
Call the lawyers
Report civilians in the area.
Return home.
Dats how Obabble do it, yo....

Of course you could hide out in schools, hospitals and among the civilians to avoid being vaporized

 

[rightwinger]

When over half of your sorties come back with their payloads you're doing something wrong

Seems like they are being responsible in their choice of targets

Or afraid of collateral damage....are our enemies afraid of collateral damage? You can't win a war when one side has rules and the other one doesn't

We are the good guys

 

[deltex1]

When over half of your sorties come back with their payloads you're doing something wrong

Seems like they are being responsible in their choice of targets

Or afraid of collateral damage....are our enemies afraid of collateral damage? You can't win a war when one side has rules and the other one doesn't

We are the good guys

Exactly why Trump will win. Good guys finish last.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

When over half of your sorties come back with their payloads you're doing something wrong

What the heck do YOU know?

I know you were never an officer ...next time watch who you lie about, fraud

 

[JakeStarkey]

r

When over half of your sorties come back with their payloads you're doing something wrong

What the heck do YOU know?

She briefed the Joint Chiefs, remember?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

When over half of your sorties come back with their payloads you're doing something wrong

Seems like they are being responsible in their choice of targets

Or afraid of collateral damage....are our enemies afraid of collateral damage? You can't win a war when one side has rules and the other one doesn't

We are the good guys

When you send brave men and women to war you let them do their job and don't tie one hand behind their backs. It's not fair to them and we lose good people because of it

 

[SassyIrishLass]

r

When over half of your sorties come back with their payloads you're doing something wrong

What the heck do YOU know?

She briefed the Joint Chiefs, remember?

Why do you continue to lie so much? Everyone knows you do it

 

[whitehall]

Patton and Ike were as hamstrung under FDR and Truman as they would have been under the Hussein administration. Americans had encircled Berlin at the closing of WW2 but they were ordered to stand down and allow the Russian hoarde to take the city. We ended up with the Cold War and Germans shot in the back for the crime of crossing the street. Little timid bean counter Harry Truman was too busy downsizing the U.S. Military to see the NK threat and his negligence and failed leadership led to 50,000 Americans killed in three years and we ended up where we started after a three year quagmire. Finally we were humiliated by a "truce" dictated by China and NK.

 

[JakeStarkey]

r

When over half of your sorties come back with their payloads you're doing something wrong

What the heck do YOU know?

She briefed the Joint Chiefs, remember?

Why do you continue to lie so much? Everyone knows you do it

Says the lady who said she briefed the Joint Chiefs, was a doctoral student in economics, had recaptured RouteIrish, and was a stand-in for Super Girl.