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[AnOrangeCat]

I only laugh at posts that are absurd.

No. You laugh react posts that directly challenge you. It's nervous laughter. It's you admitting that you can't debate those points in good faith.

And it's a tactic you stole from someone else, probably because it was effective when used against you.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The problem with most of the things you post is that they indulge a delusional belief that one day down the line, Israel will just disappear and be replaced with a 23rd Arab state, and a 58th Islamist theocracy.

Indulging that belief is the primary reason Palestinians do not compromise. Why compromise with Israel if one day, it'll be gone and all yours? Do you see how damaging that is not only to Israel, but to Palestinians?

You're not making things better for either, you're just making things worse for everyone.

The only compromise the Palestinians can make is to give up some of their inalienable rights.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

The only compromise the Palestinians can make is to give up some of their inalienable rights.

No. The compromise they can make is to ditch the jihad and give up the myth of the Nakba. Doing those two things costs them literally nothing, but gets them everything they say they want.

Now, I personally do not believe them when they say that is what they want because their actions over the last 25 years have never once been in support of a compromise.

The message of 10/7 was the ultimate rejection of the 2SS, and that message is loud and clear.

10/7 made everyone who supported the 2SS the last 25 years look like fools. Now, that might be acceptable to you because your standards are so low, but it's not acceptable to me. I got played. Everyone who supported a 2SS got played. So now I don't support a 2SS and I think Palestinians should be absorbed into the Arab countries who created this problem.

It's not incumbent on Israel to solve this. They didn't keep Palestinians in camps. They didn't give them permanent refugee status. They didn't shovel billions of dollars their way for 80 years. If Palestinians want a country, they have to act like it. And frankly, I do not think they are capable of that.

 

[Shusha]

The allied powers created the states but that plan was on hold until the Ottomans renounced their sovereignty in the Treaty of Lausanne.

The Mandate for Palestine didn't "create" a new State. The Mandate for Palestine assigned a territory and its boundaries for an eventual self-governing State. The 1925 Citizenship Order (in theory) created a defined population. But the State didn't come into being until the additional requirements for the Montevideo Convention were met: the formation of a government and recognition. It was the declaration of independence in 1948 that created the State. The Arabs, for a variety of reasons, were never able to form a government.

 

[Shusha]

The only compromise the Palestinians can make is to give up some of their inalienable rights.

? What rights would they be giving up?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

? What rights would they be giving up?

Their right to kill Jews not just in Israel, but in the diaspora as well.

 

[Shusha]

Their right to kill Jews not just in Israel, but in the diaspora as well.

I'm assuming he is going to call back to this:

Palestine became a person under international law with:

1. The right to self determination without external interference.
2. The right to independence and sovereignty.
3. The right to territorial integrity.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

I'm assuming he is going to call back to this:

Well that's just insane because Arabs already got their Palestinian state, Jordan.

 

[Shusha]

Well that's just insane because Arabs already got their Palestinian state, Jordan.

Sort of? Article 25 of the Mandate for Palestine reserved the territory from the Jordan River to the eastern boundary as may be "suitable for local conditions".

And the Mandate for Palestine clearly lays out the intent for the Jewish homeland.

 

[Hollie]

The allied powers created the states but that plan was on hold until the Ottomans renounced their sovereignty in the Treaty of Lausanne.

This has been gone over for you on many occasions, moron.

Name the “states “ created. Provide the citation in the treaty of Lausanne where it identifies the creation of any new states.

 

[P F Tinmore]

This has been gone over for you on many occasions, moron.

Name the “states “ created. Provide the citation in the treaty of Lausanne where it identifies the creation of any new states.

 

[P F Tinmore]

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[P F Tinmore]

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[P F Tinmore]

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[P F Tinmore]

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[Shusha]

The international borders of all of the proposed new states were defined by the allied powers. However, none of that could yet be implemented because it was still sovereign Ottoman territory. The Treaty of Lausanne released that territory and it was transferred to the respective new states.

Palestine became a person under international law with:

1. The right to self determination without external interference.
2. The right to independence and sovereignty.
3. The right to territorial integrity.

These rights were reiterated by subsequent UN resolutions. Any violation of these rights is a violation of international law.

The only compromise the Palestinians can make is to give up some of their inalienable rights.

? What rights would they be giving up?

I'm assuming he is going to call back to this:
Palestine became a person under international law with:

1. The right to self determination without external interference.
2. The right to independence and sovereignty.
3. The right to territorial integrity.

You previously stated that the Palestinian Citizenship Order provided citizenship for everyone regardless of race, religion or ethnicity, as well as pathways for naturalization. We agree.

The wrench in the machine is the civil war (between the Arab ethnic/national group and the Jewish ethnic/national group). Both the Arabs and the Jewish people wanted self-determination, independence, and sovereignty. The "right" to territorial integrity is in conflict with the rights to self-determination, independence, and sovereignty.

How would you suggest solving these opposing "rights"?

 

[Shusha]

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Why is a terrorist organization "drawing lines" for two sovereign States?

 

[P F Tinmore]

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[P F Tinmore]

You previously stated that the Palestinian Citizenship Order provided citizenship for everyone regardless of race, religion or ethnicity, as well as pathways for naturalization. We agree.

The wrench in the machine is the civil war (between the Arab ethnic/national group and the Jewish ethnic/national group). Both the Arabs and the Jewish people wanted self-determination, independence, and sovereignty. The "right" to territorial integrity is in conflict with the rights to self-determination, independence, and sovereignty.

How would you suggest solving these opposing "rights"?

The wrench in the machine is the civil war (between the Arab ethnic/national group and the Jewish ethnic/national group)

Acts of aggression against the native population by a foreign military is not a civil war, it is a violation of the UN Charter.

 

[P F Tinmore]