Palestine well known in 1249

[theliq]

For the persons on here that have been claiming that Palestine and Palestinians were unknown until to 20th Century,well you are wrong completely wrong,as the educated on here knew all along.

The account of the French biographer of St Louis, JOINVILLE states in 1249 "that the kings's (St Louis) dealings with the Assassins after his arrival in Palestine is of a different order etc,."

The Assassins,now they are another story and well worth reading about,eventually wiped out by the Great Ghengis Khan,the few of these people who managed to escape are today a mere blip in history and their titular head today is the AGA KHAN.

They were the Original Murder for hire,Islamists who were brilliant at disguise and deception....and assassination(this is where we get the word from).

These modus-operandi was that each Assassin,was promised Paradise,in a beautiful garden,the pleasures of many virgins etc,. Much like the Terrorist of today.

Their main targets were other Muslim Cheifs and Leaders,occassionally Christians Knights Tempalars and Hospitalars from Europe plus other nobles,their mistake was in trying to Assassinate Ghengis Khan,which they almost did,(40 were sent) but foiled....The Great Khan (Gengis) decreed to wipe them from the face of the earth...which they did to an effective degree.

But back to my original point the area around Jeruslem and its surround was by the 12 Century KNOWN AS PALESTINE. theliq

 

[JStone]

Eminent Historian Bernard Lewis...

The adjective Palestinian is comparatively new. This, I need hardly remind you, is a region of ancient civilization and of deep-rooted and often complex identitites. But, Palestine was not one of them. People might identify themselves for various purposes, by religion, by descent, or by allegiance to a particular state or ruler, or, sometimes, locality. But, when they did it locally it was generally either the city and the immediate district or the larger province, so they would have been Jerusalemites or Jaffaites or Syrians, identifying province of Syria

The constitution or the formation of a political entity called Palestine which eventually gave rise to a nationality called Palestinian were lasting innovations of the British Mandate

Cambridge University Press

In Ottoman times, no political entity called Palestine existed. After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire at the end of the First World War, European boundary makers began to take greater interest in defining territorial limits for Palestine. Only since the 1920s has Palestine had formally delimited boundaries, though these have remained subject to repeated change and a source of bitter dispute.
http://www.archiveeditions.co.uk/titledetails.asp?tid=74

Encyclopedia of the Ottoman Empire...

Palestine did not exist in the geographical imagination of the Ottomans...[Before modern Israel], Jews referred to the territory as Eretz Yisrael, the land of Israel. Throughout the Ottoman period, pilgrims and clergy from both religious traditions visited what they considered the "Holy Land" following a route from the port of Jaffa to Jerusalem.

 

[theliq]

I'm sorry Stoney but Joinvilles account was written at the time 1249,the other thing is I have studied Ghengis Khan in great detail and he received much BAD press over the years,he was infact a brilliant Military Strategist,in his Capital Quaroran,he had complete freedom of speech and faith.....hence people from throughout the world including Jews and Christians lived and worked there moreover at one time the Crusaders requested his help against Saladin and the Sarecens but his emmesaries (he used Chinese subjects for all his administrative work throughout his vast empire,anyway they told the Templars that he couldn't help because certain elements of their force were cannibals!!!!!!!which proved to be true!!!!!!!!

Ghengis Khan only promoted by ability not by favour and the loyalty of his conquered subjects was profound,he conquered from China to close to Vienna in Europe.

Stoned by 1249 the Jews had been dispersed throughout the know world by then,many living as far away as Spain where there was a large community who lived freely under Muslim rule at the time,regrettably when the Christians under Phillip of Spain defeated the Muslims(who had by then created stupendous cities,and even the Christians at the time were so impressed they did not destroy or raise these cities to the ground,these towns and cities are still there for us to admire today,the Muslims had by this time built Universities and were the pinnicle of learning,it was here that Jews developed and grew,such was their mental capacity to lean and innovate etc,.)But when the Christians took over it was the usual anti-semetism and banishment,not only Spain but all over Europe and England.These Pograms were much like the Pograms in Russia in 1890's and 1900's.....where many Jewish families migrated to the US,England and countries like South Africa,Australia and New Zealand.The final disgraceful attack against the Jewish people was 30 years or so later under hitler and the nazis,the German people(most) and many others including Croatians and parts of the Catholic Church,who were partners in this attempt to wipe out Jews from the face of the earth.

Christians at these times blamed the Jews for the death of Christ.

Thankfully they failed,my only argument with you is that you are attempting to airbrush the Palestinians out of history which when you reflect on the nazis,thats exactly what they attempted to do and almost succeeded.The irony is that when hitler had finished with the Jews his next target was the Palestinians , he and the nazis believe they were related.

Palestinians have every right like the Jews have every right to their own homeland,samantics aside this is only the fair thing as most Jews will agree too...the problem with some ultra orthodox Jews is that they are moving the goal posts to ensure this will not happen,much like Hamas in their call to eliminate Jews both sides are the same....Idiots.

Stoned I know often you read passages of the Bible but I like to read of peoples utterings in or at real time when it was happening(witnesses if you like)not from a book where the writings are often centuries after the event.

steven..aka theliqAs for your comments on ATATURK you are completely wrong,he bought the Turks/Ottomans after WW1 into the 20th Century as a Secular Society and is renown for his Brilliance as not only his Military prowess but as a Peace Time Leader.

Eminent Historian Bernard Lewis...

The adjective Palestinian is comparatively new. This, I need hardly remind you, is a region of ancient civilization and of deep-rooted and often complex identitites. But, Palestine was not one of them. People might identify themselves for various purposes, by religion, by descent, or by allegiance to a particular state or ruler, or, sometimes, locality. But, when they did it locally it was generally either the city and the immediate district or the larger province, so they would have been Jerusalemites or Jaffaites or Syrians, identifying province of Syria

The constitution or the formation of a political entity called Palestine which eventually gave rise to a nationality called Palestinian were lasting innovations of the British Mandate

Cambridge University Press

In Ottoman times, no political entity called Palestine existed. After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire at the end of the First World War, European boundary makers began to take greater interest in defining territorial limits for Palestine. Only since the 1920s has Palestine had formally delimited boundaries, though these have remained subject to repeated change and a source of bitter dispute.
Palestine Boundaries 1833–1947 - Cambridge Archive Editions

Encyclopedia of the Ottoman Empire...

Palestine did not exist in the geographical imagination of the Ottomans...[Before modern Israel], Jews referred to the territory as Eretz Yisrael, the land of Israel. Throughout the Ottoman period, pilgrims and clergy from both religious traditions visited what they considered the "Holy Land" following a route from the port of Jaffa to Jerusalem.

%%%%%AS FOR JILLIAN WHO KEEPS SENDING ME BORING MESSAGES....LIKE STONED AND OTHERS,YOU SHOULD GET OUT MORE AND START TO LIVE!!!!!!!

 

[JStone]

I'm sorry Stoney but Joinvilles account was written at the time 1249

You lost the debate, as usual. Now, walk away.

American Library Association

For more than four decades, Bernard Lewis has been one of the most respected scholars and prolific writers on the history and politics of the Middle East. In this compilation of more than 50 journal articles and essays, he displays the full range of his eloquence, knowledge, and insight regarding this pivotal and volatile region."
Oxford University Press: Faith and Power:

Hoover Institution Press...

Bernard Lewis is the Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern Studies Emeritus at Princeton University. A widely read expert on the Middle East, he is regarded as one of the West's leading scholars on the region. He has published numerous books; the most recent of which he coauthored with Buntzie Ellis Churchill, Islam: The Religion and the People.
The End of Modern History in the Middle East

Association for the Study of the Middle East and Africa

For more than 60 years, Bernard Lewis, the doyen of Middle East historians, has interpreted the world of Islam to the West. Born and raised in London, he studied at the University of London's School of Oriental and African Studies, where he earned a Ph.D. in the History of Islam. After service during World War II, he taught at the University of London until 1974 and at Princeton University until 1986. He is currently Princeton's Cleveland E. Dodge Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Studies.

Professor Lewis has drawn on primary sources in Middle Eastern and other languages to produce more than two dozen books, including The Arabs in History and the post-9/11 international best-sellers What Went Wrong? and Crisis in Islam. Professor Lewis has performed the invaluable service of placing current events in the context of history.

He was the first Western scholar permitted access to the archives of the Ottoman Empire in Istanbul. His work is distinguished by its attention to the lives of ordinary people, as well as kings and rulers. Professor Lewis was among the first to study issues of race, slavery, class and the status of women in Middle Eastern history. In addition to his historical studies, he has published translations of classical Arabic, Turkish, Persian and Hebrew poetry.

Recognizing the pressing need for reform and improvement in the Middle Eastern as well as African studies, Professor Lewis assembled a distinguished group of scholars and statesmen in 2007 to creat ASMEA. He has served as its chairman and guiding force since its inception.

Professor Bernard Lewis, Chairman

Bernard Lewis...

The adjective Palestinian is comparatively new. This, I need hardly remind you, is a region of ancient civilization and of deep-rooted and often complex identitites. But, Palestine was not one of them. People might identify themselves for various purposes, by religion, by descent, or by allegiance to a particular state or ruler, or, sometimes, locality. But, when they did it locally it was generally either the city and the immediate district or the larger province, so they would have been Jerusalemites or Jaffaites or Syrians, identifying province of Syria

The constitution or the formation of a political entity called Palestine which eventually gave rise to a nationality called Palestinian were lasting innovations of the British Mandate

For Arabs, the term Palestine was unacceptable. For Muslims it was alien and irrelevant but not abhorrent in the same way as it was to Jews. The main objection for them was that it seemed to assert a separate entity which politically conscious Arabs in Palestine and elsewhere denied. For them there was no such thing as a country called Palestine. The region which the British called Palestine was merely a separated part of a larger whole [of Syria]. For a long time organized and articulate Arab political opinion was virtually unanimous on this point.

At first, the country of which Palestine was a part was felt to be Syria. In Ottoman times, that is, immediately before the coming of the British, Palestine had indeed been a part of a larger Syrian whole from which it was in no way distinguished whether by language, culture, education, administration, political allegiance, or any other significant respect. The dividing line between British-mandated Palestine and French-mandated Syria-Lebanon was an entirely new one and for the people of the area was wholly artificial. It was therefore natural that the nationalist leadership when it first appeared should think in Syrian terms and describe Palestine as southern Syria

With the British conquest in 1917-1918 and the subsequent of a mandated territory in the conquered areas, Palestine became the official name of a definite territory. To begin with, this designation was acceptable neither to Jews not ro Arabs. From the Jewish point of view it restored a name associated in the Jewish historic memory with the largely successful Roman attempt to destroy and obliterate the Jewish identity of the land of Israel. It was a name which had never been used in Jewish history or literature, and the very associations of which were hateful. From the outset, Jews living under the Mandate refused to use this name in Hebrew but instead used what had become the common Jewish designation of the country---Eretz Yisrael, the land of Israel. After a long battle, it was agreed that the official designation of the country in Hebrew on postage stamps, coins, etc would be Palestina, transcribed into Hebrew letters but followed by the abbreviation "aleph yod" For Jews, this was a common abbreviation for Eretz Yisrael.

 

[del]

is that the same bernard lewis who insists there was no armenian genocide and that iran was definitely going to nuke israel on august 22, 2006?

yeah, he's credible.

go backwash a filter pool boi.

 

[hortysir]

For the persons on here that have been claiming that Palestine and Palestinians were unknown until to 20th Century,well you are wrong completely wrong,as the educated on here knew all along.

The account of the French biographer of St Louis, JOINVILLE states in 1249 "that the kings's (St Louis) dealings with the Assassins after his arrival in Palestine is of a different order etc,."

The Assassins,now they are another story and well worth reading about,eventually wiped out by the Great Ghengis Khan,the few of these people who managed to escape are today a mere blip in history and their titular head today is the AGA KHAN.

They were the Original Murder for hire,Islamists who were brilliant at disguise and deception....and assassination(this is where we get the word from).

These modus-operandi was that each Assassin,was promised Paradise,in a beautiful garden,the pleasures of many virgins etc,. Much like the Terrorist of today.

Their main targets were other Muslin Cheifs and Leaders,occassionally Christians Knights Tempalars and Hospitalars from Europe plus other nobles,their mistake was in trying to Assassinate Ghengis Khan,which they almost did,(40 were sent) but foiled....The Great Khan (Gengis) decreed to wipe them from the face of the earth...which they did to an effective degree.

But back to my original point the area around Jeruslem and its surround was by the 12 Century KNOWN AS PALESTINE. theliq

No link.

Supposition.

And no mention of where this Palestine is located. Only your lame last sentence.

STFU

 

[JStone]

is that the same bernard lewis who insists there was no armenian genocide and that iran was definitely going to nuke israel on august 22, 2006?

yeah, he's credible. :rl:

go backwash a filter pool boi.

This Bernard Lewis, chat room post reader...

Princeton University Press...

Music of a Distant Drum marks a literary milestone. It collects 129 poems from the four leading literary traditions of the Middle East, all masterfully translated into English by Bernard Lewis, many for the first time. These poems come from diverse languages and traditions--Arabic, Persian, Turkish, and Hebrew--and span more than a thousand years. Together they provide a fascinating and unusual window into Middle Eastern history. Lewis, one of the world's greatest authorities on the region's culture and history, reveals verses of startling beauty, ranging from panegyric and satire to religious poetry and lyrics about wine, women, and love.

Bernard Lewis, one of the world's greatest authorities on the region's culture and history, offers a work of startling beauty that leaves no doubt as to why such poets were courted by kings in their day. Like those in the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam, the poems here--as ensured by Lewis's mastery of all the source languages and his impeccable style and taste--come fully alive in English. They are surprising and sensuous, disarmingly witty and frank. They provide a fascinating and unusual glimpse into Middle Eastern history. Above all, they are a pleasure to read.They range from panegyric and satire to religious poetry and lyrics about wine, women, and love. Lewis begins with an introduction on the place of poets and poetry in Middle Eastern history and concludes with biographical notes on all the poets.

Lewis, B., trans.: Music of a Distant Drum: Classical Arabic, Persian, Turkish, and Hebrew Poems.

 

[jillian]

what was the capital of a palestinian state?
what was its form of government?
who were its trading partners?
what was it's primary means of acquiring wealth?

thanks for playing.

 

[JStone]

what was the capital of a palestinian state?
what was its form of government?
who were its trading partners?
what was it's primary means of acquiring wealth?

thanks for playing.

How many times is Palestine mentioned in the Bible: Zero times.

Israel is referenced 2000 times in the Bible

 

[JStone]

Palestinians have every right like the Jews have every right to their own homeland,

Well, no. Jews are a distinct people. Pallies are merely Arabs from Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Algeria and elsewhere who flooded into Israel during the 20th century to sponge off of Jewish prosperity. There are over 22 Arab countries, all shitholes.

Former PLO Leader Zuheir Mohsen...

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.
Zuheir Mohsen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is absolutely no archaeological record of any Palestinian civilization in Israel.

On the other hand, there is a 3000 year archaeological record verifying an Israeli civilization in their country of Israel.

Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer Charles Krauthammer...

Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store.

PBS: Civilization and the Jews

The interaction of Jewish history and Western civilization successively assumed different forms. In the Biblical and Ancient periods, Israel was an integral part of the Near Eastern and classical world, which gave birth to Western civilization. It shared the traditions of ancient Mesopotamia and the rest of that world with regard to it’s own beginning; it benefited from the decline of Egypt and the other great Near Eastern empires to emerge as a nation in it’s own right; it asserted it’s claim to the divinely promised Land of Israel...
PBS - Heritage

University of Chicago Oriental Institute---Empires in the Fertile Crescent: : Israel, Ancient Assyria, and Anatolia

Visitors will get a rare look at one of the most important geographic regions in the ancient Near East beginning January 29 with the opening of "Empires in the Fertile Crescent: Ancient Assyria, Anatolia and Israel," the newest galleries at the Museum of the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago.

The galleries showcase artifacts that illustrate the power of these ancient civilizations, including sculptural representations of tributes demanded by kings of ancient Assyria, and some sources of continual fascination, such as a fragment of the Dead Sea Scrolls--one of the few examples in the United States.

"Visitors begin in Assyria, move across Anatolia and down the Mediterranean coast to the land of ancient Israel. The galleries also trace the conquests of the Assyrian empire across the Middle East and follow their trail to Israel."

The Israelites, who emerged as the dominant people of that region in about 975 B.C. are documented by many objects of daily life, a large stamp engraved with a biblical text and an ossuary (box for bones) inscribed in Hebrew.
Probably the most spectacular portion of the Megiddo gallery, however, is the Megiddo ivories. These exquisitely carved pieces of elephant tusks were inlays in furniture, and a particularly large piece was made into a game board.

Oriental Institute | Museum

Harvard Semitic Museum: The Houses of Ancient Israel

In archaeological terms The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine focuses on the Iron Age (1200-586 B.C.E.). Iron I (1200-1000 B.C.E.) represents the premonarchical period. Iron II (1000-586 B.C.E.) was the time of kings. Uniting the tribal coalitions of Israel and Judah in the tenth century B.C.E., David and Solomon ruled over an expanding realm. After Solomon's death (c. 930 B.C.E.) Israel and Judah separated into two kingdoms.
Israel was led at times by strong kings, Omri and Ahab in the ninth century B.C.E. and Jereboam II in the eighth. In the end, however, Israel was no match for expansionist Assyria. Samaria, the Israelite capital, fell to the Assyrians in 722 B.C.E.

The Houses of Ancient Israel § Semitic Museum

University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology: Canaan and Ancient Israel

The first major North American exhibition dedicated to the archaeology of ancient Israel and neighboring lands, "Canaan and Ancient Israel" features more than 350 rare artifacts from about 3,000 to 586 B.C.E., excavated by University of Pennsylvania Museum archaeologists in Israel,
Artcom Museums Tour: University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, Philadelphia PA

Yale Law School Faculty Scholarship Series: Ancient Land Law in Israel, Mesopotamia, Egypt

This Article provides an overview of the land regimes that the peoples of Mesopotamia, Egypt, and Israel created by law and custom between 3000 B.C. and 500 B.C

A look at land regimes in the earliest periods of human history can illuminate debate over the extent to which human institutions can be expected to vary from time to time and place to place.
"Ancient Land Law: Mesopotamia, Egypt, Israel" by Robert C. Ellickson and Charles DiA. Thorland

Yale University Press: Education in Ancient Israel

In this groundbreaking new book, distinguished biblical scholar James L. Crenshaw investigates both the pragmatic hows and the philosophical whys of education in ancient Israel and its surroundings. Asking questions as basic as "Who were the teachers and students and from what segment of Israelite society did they come?" and "How did instructors interest young people in the things they had to say?" Crenshaw explores the institutions and practices of education in ancient Israel. The results are often surprising and more complicated than one would expect.

Education in Ancient Israel - Crenshaw, James L - Yale University Press

Yale University Press: The Archaeology of Ancient Israel

In this lavishly illustrated book some of Israel's foremost archaeologists present a thorough, up-to-date, and readily accessible survey of early life in the land of the Bible, from the Neolithic era (eighth millennium B.C.E.) to the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. It will be a delightful and informative resource for anyone who has ever wanted to know more about the religious, scientific, or historical background of the region.
The Archaeology of Ancient Israel - Ben-Tor, Amnon; Greenberg, R. - Yale University Press

Cambridge University Press: The World of Ancient Israel
The Bodies of God and the World of Ancient Israel - Academic and Professional Books - Cambridge University Press

Cambridge University Press: Wisdom in Ancient Israel
Wisdom in Ancient Israel - Academic and Professional Books - Cambridge University Press

PBS Nova...

In the banks of the Nile in southern Egypt in 1896, British archaeologisit Flinders Petrie unearthed one of the most important discoveries in biblical archaeology known as the Merneptah Stele. Merneptah's stele announces the entrance on the world stage of a People named Israel.

The Merneptah Stele is powerful evidence that a People called the Israelites are living in Canaan over 3000 years ago

Dr. Donald Redford, Egyptologist and archaeologist: The Merneptah Stele is priceless evidence for the presence of an ethnical group called Israel in Canaan.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvg2EZAEw5c]1/13 The Bible's Buried Secrets (NOVA PBS) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[theliq]

HoHoHoHo LINK OK........BY THE VERY SAME BERNARD LEWIS (HO,HO,Ho) THE ASSASSINS by the Bernard you are all spouting as YOUR AUTHORITY(HO,HO,Ho I can't help myself) Copyright 1967 updated 2003 published by Weidenfeld and Nicolson...PAGE 130 ..................Ho,Ho,Ho.

Stoned and others like Horshair....theliq was born a winner...YOU ALL SCORED AN OWN GOALNO LINK Ha,Ha,Ha...SUPPOSITION WHAT COMPLETE IDIOTS YOU ARE.


I'm theliq..........How Ever Am I To Soar With Eagles When I Have To Deal With Turkeys Like These.............You Loose Now Take A Walkr

For the persons on here that have been claiming that Palestine and Palestinians were unknown until to 20th Century,well you are wrong completely wrong,as the educated on here knew all along.

The account of the French biographer of St Louis, JOINVILLE states in 1249 "that the kings's (St Louis) dealings with the Assassins after his arrival in Palestine is of a different order etc,."

The Assassins,now they are another story and well worth reading about,eventually wiped out by the Great Ghengis Khan,the few of these people who managed to escape are today a mere blip in history and their titular head today is the AGA KHAN.

They were the Original Murder for hire,Islamists who were brilliant at disguise and deception....and assassination(this is where we get the word from).

These modus-operandi was that each Assassin,was promised Paradise,in a beautiful garden,the pleasures of many virgins etc,. Much like the Terrorist of today.

Their main targets were other Muslin Cheifs and Leaders,occassionally Christians Knights Tempalars and Hospitalars from Europe plus other nobles,their mistake was in trying to Assassinate Ghengis Khan,which they almost did,(40 were sent) but foiled....The Great Khan (Gengis) decreed to wipe them from the face of the earth...which they did to an effective degree.

But back to my original point the area around Jeruslem and its surround was by the 12 Century KNOWN AS PALESTINE. theliq

No link.

Supposition.

And no mention of where this Palestine is located. Only your lame last sentence.

STFU

 

[theliq]

RESULT THELIQ WINS,it was never in doubt.


I WON'T GLOAT...I'll leave the TURKEYS to forage and scratch around in the DIRT

 

[theliq]

O Jill O Jillian

what was the capital of a palestinian state?
what was its form of government?
who were its trading partners?
what was it's primary means of acquiring wealth?

thanks for playing.

i note the silence from THE STONED AND JILLIAN POSSEE....of course we all do because dispite all their BOLLOCKS RHETORIC...THEY ARE NOW DEFEATED AND CONSIGNED TO THE US MESSAGE BOARD DUSTBIN

 

[Zander]

Palestine is still a country- it is now called JORDAN.

 

[theliq]

Sorry but Jordon was NEVER Palestine,this area was Trans Jordon and was given to the Huessain Princes from Saudi Arabia after WW1.your ignorance is NO longer required in THIS DEBATE

Palestine is still a country- it is now called JORDAN.

 

[NightRyder]

Sorry but Jordon was NEVER Palestine,this area was Trans Jordon and was given to the Huessain Princes from Saudi Arabia after WW1.your ignorance is NO longer required in THIS DEBATE

Palestine is still a country- it is now called JORDAN.

Jordan is totally NO HELP AT ALL.

 

[editec]

Yes, they are wrong.

 

[hortysir]

HoHoHoHo LINK OK........BY THE VERY SAME BERNARD LEWIS (HO,HO,Ho) THE ASSASSINS by the Bernard you are all spouting as YOUR AUTHORITY(HO,HO,Ho I can't help myself) Copyright 1967 updated 2003 published by Weidenfeld and Nicolson...PAGE 130 ..................Ho,Ho,Ho.

Stoned and others like Horshair....theliq was born a winner...YOU ALL SCORED AN OWN GOALNO LINK Ha,Ha,Ha...SUPPOSITION WHAT COMPLETE IDIOTS YOU ARE.


I'm theliq..........How Ever Am I To Soar With Eagles When I Have To Deal With Turkeys Like These.............You Loose Now Take A Walk

What the fuck kind of gibber-talk is that, anyway???

Wouldn't it have been easier to say that you just don't know the answers to Jillian's questions?

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,



1. Some govenor renamed Israel to *Palestine*, after the Jews were kicked out.
2. Romans or some losers.
3. Stupid Arabs Losers, have borrowed this term, and have staked claim to it, to be some fictitious peoples, in order to falsely stake claims to the land of Israel.
4. They have no claim, its bogus.
5. Maybe if they can find the Hitties, Sodomites, Cannites, and whatever *ites* that got thrown out by God, to bring the Jews in, then okay, lets hear their claims?


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[theliq]

YAAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNN .............You are a total Wanker

Sorry bout that,



1. Some govenor renamed Israel to *Palestine*, after the Jews were kicked out.
2. Romans or some losers.
3. Stupid Arabs Losers, have borrowed this term, and have staked claim to it, to be some fictitious peoples, in order to falsely stake claims to the land of Israel.
4. They have no claim, its bogus.
5. Maybe if they can find the Hitties, Sodomites, Cannites, and whatever *ites* that got thrown out by God, to bring the Jews in, then okay, lets hear their claims?


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas