Only good thing about marxism taking over is how all of these useful idiots will be shot. Everyone we argue with, civil rights leaders etc

[Rigby5]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

It's what the Nazi head ups did as well------socialists do tend to kill one off within a few years as they grasp for power and money.

The Nazis were not socialist nor were they liberals, nor were they communist nor were they Republicans..

We've explained this to you little children repeatedly, Moon. The nazis were the German SOCIALIST PARTY---its in their name. They rose to power promising free chit and using street thugs to terrorize the citizens while burning down cities too.

They did coopt the name but were nothing like socialist, Marxist, etc, they never promised anyone anything for free, you had to work and were required to work...

As do socialists and communists

There has not been a true communist nation on this planet. A true state of communism is a stateless state...

Stateless state is a bit idealistic and one could say it was just that it takes more steps to reach.
I prefer to look at the steps themselves to evaluate if they are socialist or Marxist by how collective, cooperative, and communal they are.
And nothing Stalin did was collective, cooperative, or communal.
When you have a distant, central organization take over a farming community by force, that is not collective, cooperative, or communal.
That is uber capitalism.
It is controlled by and benefitting the wealthy elite.
That is the most anti socialist and anti Marxism as one can get.

 

[Soupnazi630]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

He's former KGB. Are you buying into this crap?

What, do you mean? Research what he is referring to in regards to marxist take overs everywhere.

Cuba
Nicaragua
China
Vietnam
Russia
East Germany

Don't believe it? Think it is all robin hood fairy land unicorns and rainbows?
No American has tried to ESCAPE the "tyranny" of the horrific free market that has 7 Elevens and Burger Kings.
Sure as hell the other way around. Boy, marxism must be just great.
Just great. Be ready to starve. That's how they will elminate most of us.
Cow farts global warmjng. Get ready. You and all of us will get what we all deserve.
Get ready. Be ready for gnashing of teeth and wailing.

Wrong.
All the countries you list, Cuba, Nicaragua, China, Vietnam, Russia, and East Germany were never remotely Marxist.
Russia started a revolution in 1917 with some Marxist ideology, but Stalin took over and wiped out any Marxists.
So no country has ever been remotely Marxist.
We have no idea if Marxism could work, because it has never been tried.
What Stalin created was State Capitalism.
There was nothing remotely collective, cooperative, or communal about Stalinism.
For any government to be collective, cooperative, or communal, it has to be democratic, local, and with equality.
What Stalin installed was authoritarian, central, and with a wealthy ruling elite.
That is the exact opposite.

Yes they were marxist.

Marxism has been repeatedly tried and always succeeded in estasblishing dictatorships of the proletariate which is what Stalin did they only failed to reach the utopian stateless period of development which Marx predicted.

There is nothing remotely collective cooperative or communal about marxism either.

You aren't going to know history from soundbites and jingoism. It takes more education and study than that.

Yes that is true and it is typically those who say no marxist/ communist nation has ever existed that failed to study history in detail

 

[Rigby5]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

It's what the Nazi head ups did as well------socialists do tend to kill one off within a few years as they grasp for power and money.

The Nazis were not socialist nor were they liberals, nor were they communist nor were they Republicans..

We've explained this to you little children repeatedly, Moon. The nazis were the German SOCIALIST PARTY---its in their name. They rose to power promising free chit and using street thugs to terrorize the citizens while burning down cities too.

They did coopt the name but were nothing like socialist, Marxist, etc, they never promised anyone anything for free, you had to work and were required to work...

Thats a lie--------------they offered free school, free food, guaranteed jobs, free entertainment, welfare and much more.

Yah, the capitalists always promised the Blacks in Africa free school, free food, guaranteed jobs, and welfare when loaded them onto the slave ships to southern plantations.

 

[Soupnazi630]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

It's what the Nazi head ups did as well------socialists do tend to kill one off within a few years as they grasp for power and money.

The Nazis were not socialist nor were they liberals, nor were they communist nor were they Republicans..

We've explained this to you little children repeatedly, Moon. The nazis were the German SOCIALIST PARTY---its in their name. They rose to power promising free chit and using street thugs to terrorize the citizens while burning down cities too.

They did coopt the name but were nothing like socialist, Marxist, etc, they never promised anyone anything for free, you had to work and were required to work...

As do socialists and communists

There has not been a true communist nation on this planet. A true state of communism is a stateless state...

Wrong.

There have been many communist nations and still are some.

A communist nation is one working toward that end goal not one which has reached it. All the communist nations have worked toward that goal or at least proclaimed that they are working towards it making them communist.

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I can't think of any nation that was ever remotely communist.
There are religious order that are, like the Amish, Mennonites, Kibbutzim, Ashrams, convents, etc., but never any whole country.

Stalin was a capitalist and totally screwed up Russia, creating the most capitalist country that ever existed.
Stalin did not decrease class disparity, but greatly increased it.
He was out for wealth and power for only a very small wealthy elite.
You can tell because they got their dacha on the Black Sea for the summer.

Stalin was a communist who tweaked but still followed marx formula.
Marxism / communism does not specifically forbid disparity of wealth.

 

[Turtlesoup]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

It's what the Nazi head ups did as well------socialists do tend to kill one off within a few years as they grasp for power and money.

The Nazis were not socialist nor were they liberals, nor were they communist nor were they Republicans..

We've explained this to you little children repeatedly, Moon. The nazis were the German SOCIALIST PARTY---its in their name. They rose to power promising free chit and using street thugs to terrorize the citizens while burning down cities too.

Hitler rejected the Socialists in 1926 and purged Socialists, Communists, Democrats and Jews under the Enabling Act of 1933. He killed them or put them in Dachau. ( the first concentration camp)

Don't know where you are getting the 1926 date from but any claim that Hitler and the nazis weren't socialist is absolute Bullshit...

The nazis were cutthroats---they had lots of infighting for power---they literally framed, killed, backstabbed one another to grow in power. They locked up their own too at times, but it was more a power grab thing usually speaking.

Dachau by way...in the 1933 time frame was basically just a prison for political prisoners and others. Hitler was not fully in charge of Germany then. It saw most of the prisoners locked up then released after completing their sentences. In fact, its warden at the time was removed because he did kill a prisoner.

 

[Soupnazi630]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

It's what the Nazi head ups did as well------socialists do tend to kill one off within a few years as they grasp for power and money.

The Nazis were not socialist nor were they liberals, nor were they communist nor were they Republicans..

We've explained this to you little children repeatedly, Moon. The nazis were the German SOCIALIST PARTY---its in their name. They rose to power promising free chit and using street thugs to terrorize the citizens while burning down cities too.

They did coopt the name but were nothing like socialist, Marxist, etc, they never promised anyone anything for free, you had to work and were required to work...

As do socialists and communists

There has not been a true communist nation on this planet. A true state of communism is a stateless state...

Stateless state is a bit idealistic and one could say it was just that it takes more steps to reach.
I prefer to look at the steps themselves to evaluate if they are socialist or Marxist by how collective, cooperative, and communal they are.
And nothing Stalin did was collective, cooperative, or communal.
When you have a distant, central organization take over a farming community by force, that is not collective, cooperative, or communal.
That is uber capitalism.
It is controlled by and benefitting the wealthy elite.
That is the most anti socialist and anti Marxism as one can get.

Communism / marxism has nothing to do with communal, cooperative or voluntary collectivism so your yardstick is a poor unit of measurement.

 

[CowboyTed]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

The OP by mentioning Marxism just shows us how stupid he is a nothing else....

He obviously doesn't know Marxism from a rock...

What it does show is the failing US educational system. Some public teacher must have spent time trying to teach this rock something and look at the failure...

 

[Turtlesoup]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

It's what the Nazi head ups did as well------socialists do tend to kill one off within a few years as they grasp for power and money.

The Nazis were not socialist nor were they liberals, nor were they communist nor were they Republicans..

We've explained this to you little children repeatedly, Moon. The nazis were the German SOCIALIST PARTY---its in their name. They rose to power promising free chit and using street thugs to terrorize the citizens while burning down cities too.

They did coopt the name but were nothing like socialist, Marxist, etc, they never promised anyone anything for free, you had to work and were required to work...

Thats a lie--------------they offered free school, free food, guaranteed jobs, free entertainment, welfare and much more.

Yah, the capitalists always promised the Blacks in Africa free school, free food, guaranteed jobs, and welfare when loaded them onto the slave ships to southern plantations.

Capitalists? Try CATHOLICS and apparently Jews and oh yeah mostly Muslims involved.. but regardless, what point are you trying to make? Oh that all capitalists are evil despite capitalism being the only long term proven system to get people out of poverty.

 

[Rigby5]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

He's former KGB. Are you buying into this crap?

What, do you mean? Research what he is referring to in regards to marxist take overs everywhere.

Cuba
Nicaragua
China
Vietnam
Russia
East Germany

Don't believe it? Think it is all robin hood fairy land unicorns and rainbows?
No American has tried to ESCAPE the "tyranny" of the horrific free market that has 7 Elevens and Burger Kings.
Sure as hell the other way around. Boy, marxism must be just great.
Just great. Be ready to starve. That's how they will elminate most of us.
Cow farts global warmjng. Get ready. You and all of us will get what we all deserve.
Get ready. Be ready for gnashing of teeth and wailing.

Wrong.
All the countries you list, Cuba, Nicaragua, China, Vietnam, Russia, and East Germany were never remotely Marxist.
Russia started a revolution in 1917 with some Marxist ideology, but Stalin took over and wiped out any Marxists.
So no country has ever been remotely Marxist.
We have no idea if Marxism could work, because it has never been tried.
What Stalin created was State Capitalism.
There was nothing remotely collective, cooperative, or communal about Stalinism.
For any government to be collective, cooperative, or communal, it has to be democratic, local, and with equality.
What Stalin installed was authoritarian, central, and with a wealthy ruling elite.
That is the exact opposite.

Yes they were marxist.

Marxism has been repeatedly tried and always succeeded in estasblishing dictatorships of the proletariate which is what Stalin did they only failed to reach the utopian stateless period of development which Marx predicted.

There is nothing remotely collective cooperative or communal about marxism either.

Wrong.
Stalin was an anti-Marxist and killed all the Marxists like Trotsky.
Why else would he kill Marxists unless he was anti-Marxist?

Marx promoted an ideology that would require no state.
For that to happen, everyone would have to be satisfied with it and want to support it willingly.
Has anyone ever suggested a state anything remotely like that?
Of course not.
So then no one has ever remotely supported or suggested a Marxist state except some Russian idealists who were killed before they could start implementing anything.
If you don't think Marxism requires things to be collective, cooperative, and communal, then you know nothing about Marx, communism, socialism, Anarchism, or just about any political theory.

 

[Soupnazi630]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

He's former KGB. Are you buying into this crap?

What, do you mean? Research what he is referring to in regards to marxist take overs everywhere.

Cuba
Nicaragua
China
Vietnam
Russia
East Germany

Don't believe it? Think it is all robin hood fairy land unicorns and rainbows?
No American has tried to ESCAPE the "tyranny" of the horrific free market that has 7 Elevens and Burger Kings.
Sure as hell the other way around. Boy, marxism must be just great.
Just great. Be ready to starve. That's how they will elminate most of us.
Cow farts global warmjng. Get ready. You and all of us will get what we all deserve.
Get ready. Be ready for gnashing of teeth and wailing.

Wrong.
All the countries you list, Cuba, Nicaragua, China, Vietnam, Russia, and East Germany were never remotely Marxist.
Russia started a revolution in 1917 with some Marxist ideology, but Stalin took over and wiped out any Marxists.
So no country has ever been remotely Marxist.
We have no idea if Marxism could work, because it has never been tried.
What Stalin created was State Capitalism.
There was nothing remotely collective, cooperative, or communal about Stalinism.
For any government to be collective, cooperative, or communal, it has to be democratic, local, and with equality.
What Stalin installed was authoritarian, central, and with a wealthy ruling elite.
That is the exact opposite.

Yes they were marxist.

Marxism has been repeatedly tried and always succeeded in estasblishing dictatorships of the proletariate which is what Stalin did they only failed to reach the utopian stateless period of development which Marx predicted.

There is nothing remotely collective cooperative or communal about marxism either.

Wrong.
Stalin was an anti-Marxist and killed all the Marxists like Trotsky.
Why else would he kill Marxists unless he was anti-Marxist?

Marx promoted an ideology that would require no state.
For that to happen, everyone would have to be satisfied with it and want to support it willingly.
Has anyone ever suggested a state anything remotely like that?
Of course not.
So then no one has ever remotely supported or suggested a Marxist state except some Russian idealists who were killed before they could start implementing anything.
If you don't think Marxism requires things to be collective, cooperative, and communal, then you know nothing about Marx, communism, socialism, Anarchism, or just about any political theory.

Stalin was a marxist and only killed select marxists who had a slightly different view on how it should be implemented.

Marx promoted no such ideology he promoted a system which would follow various steps to reach a stateless society of total slavery.

Dictatorship under someone like Stalin was precisely one of the steps in Marx's ideology.

I know more about maxism than you, appeal to ignorance is not an argument proving you have none.

marixsm is not about cooperative action or communal action or voluntary collectivism.

 

[Turtlesoup]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

He's former KGB. Are you buying into this crap?

What, do you mean? Research what he is referring to in regards to marxist take overs everywhere.

Cuba
Nicaragua
China
Vietnam
Russia
East Germany

Don't believe it? Think it is all robin hood fairy land unicorns and rainbows?
No American has tried to ESCAPE the "tyranny" of the horrific free market that has 7 Elevens and Burger Kings.
Sure as hell the other way around. Boy, marxism must be just great.
Just great. Be ready to starve. That's how they will elminate most of us.
Cow farts global warmjng. Get ready. You and all of us will get what we all deserve.
Get ready. Be ready for gnashing of teeth and wailing.

Wrong.
All the countries you list, Cuba, Nicaragua, China, Vietnam, Russia, and East Germany were never remotely Marxist.
Russia started a revolution in 1917 with some Marxist ideology, but Stalin took over and wiped out any Marxists.
So no country has ever been remotely Marxist.
We have no idea if Marxism could work, because it has never been tried.
What Stalin created was State Capitalism.
There was nothing remotely collective, cooperative, or communal about Stalinism.
For any government to be collective, cooperative, or communal, it has to be democratic, local, and with equality.
What Stalin installed was authoritarian, central, and with a wealthy ruling elite.
That is the exact opposite.

Yes they were marxist.

Marxism has been repeatedly tried and always succeeded in estasblishing dictatorships of the proletariate which is what Stalin did they only failed to reach the utopian stateless period of development which Marx predicted.

There is nothing remotely collective cooperative or communal about marxism either.

Wrong.
Stalin was an anti-Marxist and killed all the Marxists like Trotsky.
Why else would he kill Marxists unless he was anti-Marxist?

Marx promoted an ideology that would require no state.
For that to happen, everyone would have to be satisfied with it and want to support it willingly.
Has anyone ever suggested a state anything remotely like that?
Of course not.
So then no one has ever remotely supported or suggested a Marxist state except some Russian idealists who were killed before they could start implementing anything.
If you don't think Marxism requires things to be collective, cooperative, and communal, then you know nothing about Marx, communism, socialism, Anarchism, or just about any political theory.

Like the socialists of the time----different factions within the communist party vying for power and money---infighting one another. Think of it as the primaries but where open murder and locking up your opponents was better tolerated and expected. Like what Hilliary does now--just hides it more.

 

[Rigby5]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

It's what the Nazi head ups did as well------socialists do tend to kill one off within a few years as they grasp for power and money.

The Nazis were not socialist nor were they liberals, nor were they communist nor were they Republicans..

We've explained this to you little children repeatedly, Moon. The nazis were the German SOCIALIST PARTY---its in their name. They rose to power promising free chit and using street thugs to terrorize the citizens while burning down cities too.

They did coopt the name but were nothing like socialist, Marxist, etc, they never promised anyone anything for free, you had to work and were required to work...

Thats a lie--------------they offered free school, free food, guaranteed jobs, free entertainment, welfare and much more.

Yah, the capitalists always promised the Blacks in Africa free school, free food, guaranteed jobs, and welfare when loaded them onto the slave ships to southern plantations.

Capitalists? Try CATHOLICS and apparently Jews and oh yeah mostly Muslims involved.. but regardless, what point are you trying to make? Oh that all capitalists are evil despite capitalism being the only long term proven system to get people out of poverty.

Capitalism is about profits, not getting people out of poverty.
Capitalism deliberately wants to create as much poverty as possible, by taking from as many people as possible, and concentrating the wealth in the hands of the ruling elite.

Religion was not the cause of slavery, greed was.
And that is the root of capitalism.

Capitalism can produce some benefits, like technology, but is negative in the long run.
This planet could have supported a happy primitive life style indefinitely.
But by getting greedy, we destroy the happy primitive life style, force everyone to become employed by strangers, so that they can afford the basics like rent, that should normally be free to primitives.
The level of technology we are producing will destroy the planet for human habitation in less than a thousand years.
We are using ancient fossilized solar energy and will run out of that in less than 300 years.
What will be left will be massively polluted and barren.

 

[Rigby5]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

He's former KGB. Are you buying into this crap?

What, do you mean? Research what he is referring to in regards to marxist take overs everywhere.

Cuba
Nicaragua
China
Vietnam
Russia
East Germany

Don't believe it? Think it is all robin hood fairy land unicorns and rainbows?
No American has tried to ESCAPE the "tyranny" of the horrific free market that has 7 Elevens and Burger Kings.
Sure as hell the other way around. Boy, marxism must be just great.
Just great. Be ready to starve. That's how they will elminate most of us.
Cow farts global warmjng. Get ready. You and all of us will get what we all deserve.
Get ready. Be ready for gnashing of teeth and wailing.

Wrong.
All the countries you list, Cuba, Nicaragua, China, Vietnam, Russia, and East Germany were never remotely Marxist.
Russia started a revolution in 1917 with some Marxist ideology, but Stalin took over and wiped out any Marxists.
So no country has ever been remotely Marxist.
We have no idea if Marxism could work, because it has never been tried.
What Stalin created was State Capitalism.
There was nothing remotely collective, cooperative, or communal about Stalinism.
For any government to be collective, cooperative, or communal, it has to be democratic, local, and with equality.
What Stalin installed was authoritarian, central, and with a wealthy ruling elite.
That is the exact opposite.

Yes they were marxist.

Marxism has been repeatedly tried and always succeeded in estasblishing dictatorships of the proletariate which is what Stalin did they only failed to reach the utopian stateless period of development which Marx predicted.

There is nothing remotely collective cooperative or communal about marxism either.

Wrong.
Stalin was an anti-Marxist and killed all the Marxists like Trotsky.
Why else would he kill Marxists unless he was anti-Marxist?

Marx promoted an ideology that would require no state.
For that to happen, everyone would have to be satisfied with it and want to support it willingly.
Has anyone ever suggested a state anything remotely like that?
Of course not.
So then no one has ever remotely supported or suggested a Marxist state except some Russian idealists who were killed before they could start implementing anything.
If you don't think Marxism requires things to be collective, cooperative, and communal, then you know nothing about Marx, communism, socialism, Anarchism, or just about any political theory.

Stalin was a marxist and only killed select marxists who had a slightly different view on how it should be implemented.

Marx promoted no such ideology he promoted a system which would follow various steps to reach a stateless society of total slavery.

Dictatorship under someone like Stalin was precisely one of the steps in Marx's ideology.

I know more about maxism than you, appeal to ignorance is not an argument proving you have none.

marixsm is not about cooperative action or communal action or voluntary collectivism.

That is just silly.
There was not a single Marxist Stalin did not kill off.

Slavery can not be stateless.
Slavery requires force, which requires a state that can implement and apply the force.
Stateless means without force or any form of coercion, which means it has to be totally voluntary and rewarding.

You apparently know nothing about Marxism, but instead only know about Stalinism, which is the opposite of Marxism.
One way to tell I am right is how people were glad when Stalin died.
If he had implemented something good and rewarding, that would not have been the case.

 

[Soupnazi630]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

It's what the Nazi head ups did as well------socialists do tend to kill one off within a few years as they grasp for power and money.

The Nazis were not socialist nor were they liberals, nor were they communist nor were they Republicans..

We've explained this to you little children repeatedly, Moon. The nazis were the German SOCIALIST PARTY---its in their name. They rose to power promising free chit and using street thugs to terrorize the citizens while burning down cities too.

They did coopt the name but were nothing like socialist, Marxist, etc, they never promised anyone anything for free, you had to work and were required to work...

Thats a lie--------------they offered free school, free food, guaranteed jobs, free entertainment, welfare and much more.

Yah, the capitalists always promised the Blacks in Africa free school, free food, guaranteed jobs, and welfare when loaded them onto the slave ships to southern plantations.

Capitalists? Try CATHOLICS and apparently Jews and oh yeah mostly Muslims involved.. but regardless, what point are you trying to make? Oh that all capitalists are evil despite capitalism being the only long term proven system to get people out of poverty.

Capitalism is about profits, not getting people out of poverty.
Capitalism deliberately wants to create as much poverty as possible, by taking from as many people as possible, and concentrating the wealth in the hands of the ruling elite.

Religion was not the cause of slavery, greed was.
And that is the root of capitalism.

Capitalism can produce some benefits, like technology, but is negative in the long run.
This planet could have supported a happy primitive life style indefinitely.
But by getting greedy, we destroy the happy primitive life style, force everyone to become employed by strangers, so that they can afford the basics like rent, that should normally be free to primitives.
The level of technology we are producing will destroy the planet for human habitation in less than a thousand years.
We are using ancient fossilized solar energy and will run out of that in less than 300 years.
What will be left will be massively polluted and barren.

Yes capitalism is about profits and strangely enough has gotten more people out of poverty than any other systems

Capitalism does not want to create poverty it simply wants people left to their own devices to make a profit. Despite this more people have been lifted out of poverty than any government plan or ideology has ever done.

Capitalismm is an overall positive in the long run.

There is no happy primitive lifestyle

 

[Soupnazi630]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

He's former KGB. Are you buying into this crap?

What, do you mean? Research what he is referring to in regards to marxist take overs everywhere.

Cuba
Nicaragua
China
Vietnam
Russia
East Germany

Don't believe it? Think it is all robin hood fairy land unicorns and rainbows?
No American has tried to ESCAPE the "tyranny" of the horrific free market that has 7 Elevens and Burger Kings.
Sure as hell the other way around. Boy, marxism must be just great.
Just great. Be ready to starve. That's how they will elminate most of us.
Cow farts global warmjng. Get ready. You and all of us will get what we all deserve.
Get ready. Be ready for gnashing of teeth and wailing.

Wrong.
All the countries you list, Cuba, Nicaragua, China, Vietnam, Russia, and East Germany were never remotely Marxist.
Russia started a revolution in 1917 with some Marxist ideology, but Stalin took over and wiped out any Marxists.
So no country has ever been remotely Marxist.
We have no idea if Marxism could work, because it has never been tried.
What Stalin created was State Capitalism.
There was nothing remotely collective, cooperative, or communal about Stalinism.
For any government to be collective, cooperative, or communal, it has to be democratic, local, and with equality.
What Stalin installed was authoritarian, central, and with a wealthy ruling elite.
That is the exact opposite.

Yes they were marxist.

Marxism has been repeatedly tried and always succeeded in estasblishing dictatorships of the proletariate which is what Stalin did they only failed to reach the utopian stateless period of development which Marx predicted.

There is nothing remotely collective cooperative or communal about marxism either.

Wrong.
Stalin was an anti-Marxist and killed all the Marxists like Trotsky.
Why else would he kill Marxists unless he was anti-Marxist?

Marx promoted an ideology that would require no state.
For that to happen, everyone would have to be satisfied with it and want to support it willingly.
Has anyone ever suggested a state anything remotely like that?
Of course not.
So then no one has ever remotely supported or suggested a Marxist state except some Russian idealists who were killed before they could start implementing anything.
If you don't think Marxism requires things to be collective, cooperative, and communal, then you know nothing about Marx, communism, socialism, Anarchism, or just about any political theory.

Stalin was a marxist and only killed select marxists who had a slightly different view on how it should be implemented.

Marx promoted no such ideology he promoted a system which would follow various steps to reach a stateless society of total slavery.

Dictatorship under someone like Stalin was precisely one of the steps in Marx's ideology.

I know more about maxism than you, appeal to ignorance is not an argument proving you have none.

marixsm is not about cooperative action or communal action or voluntary collectivism.

That is just silly.
There was not a single Marxist Stalin did not kill off.

Slavery can not be stateless.
Slavery requires force, which requires a state that can implement and apply the force.
Stateless means without force or any form of coercion, which means it has to be totally voluntary and rewarding.

You apparently know nothing about Marxism, but instead only know about Stalinism, which is the opposite of Marxism.
One way to tell I am right is how people were glad when Stalin died.
If he had implemented something good and rewarding, that would not have been the case.

That is revisionist crap therre were many who lived and continued to preach marxism under his regime he did not kill them all off he only killed off selective marxists who did not agree with his particular denomination.

Yes slavery can indeed be stateless all it takes is force.

Individuals can implement force as well

 

[Rigby5]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

He's former KGB. Are you buying into this crap?

What, do you mean? Research what he is referring to in regards to marxist take overs everywhere.

Cuba
Nicaragua
China
Vietnam
Russia
East Germany

Don't believe it? Think it is all robin hood fairy land unicorns and rainbows?
No American has tried to ESCAPE the "tyranny" of the horrific free market that has 7 Elevens and Burger Kings.
Sure as hell the other way around. Boy, marxism must be just great.
Just great. Be ready to starve. That's how they will elminate most of us.
Cow farts global warmjng. Get ready. You and all of us will get what we all deserve.
Get ready. Be ready for gnashing of teeth and wailing.

Wrong.
All the countries you list, Cuba, Nicaragua, China, Vietnam, Russia, and East Germany were never remotely Marxist.
Russia started a revolution in 1917 with some Marxist ideology, but Stalin took over and wiped out any Marxists.
So no country has ever been remotely Marxist.
We have no idea if Marxism could work, because it has never been tried.
What Stalin created was State Capitalism.
There was nothing remotely collective, cooperative, or communal about Stalinism.
For any government to be collective, cooperative, or communal, it has to be democratic, local, and with equality.
What Stalin installed was authoritarian, central, and with a wealthy ruling elite.
That is the exact opposite.

Yes they were marxist.

Marxism has been repeatedly tried and always succeeded in estasblishing dictatorships of the proletariate which is what Stalin did they only failed to reach the utopian stateless period of development which Marx predicted.

There is nothing remotely collective cooperative or communal about marxism either.

Wrong.
Stalin was an anti-Marxist and killed all the Marxists like Trotsky.
Why else would he kill Marxists unless he was anti-Marxist?

Marx promoted an ideology that would require no state.
For that to happen, everyone would have to be satisfied with it and want to support it willingly.
Has anyone ever suggested a state anything remotely like that?
Of course not.
So then no one has ever remotely supported or suggested a Marxist state except some Russian idealists who were killed before they could start implementing anything.
If you don't think Marxism requires things to be collective, cooperative, and communal, then you know nothing about Marx, communism, socialism, Anarchism, or just about any political theory.

Like the socialists of the time----different factions within the communist party vying for power and money---infighting one another. Think of it as the primaries but where open murder and locking up your opponents was better tolerated and expected. Like what Hilliary does now--just hides it more.

A real Marxist would not be trying to just benefit themselves, so then would not be needing or using force.
Marxism is about attempting to end coercive methods, so would not need or use coercive methods.

 

[Soupnazi630]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

He's former KGB. Are you buying into this crap?

What, do you mean? Research what he is referring to in regards to marxist take overs everywhere.

Cuba
Nicaragua
China
Vietnam
Russia
East Germany

Don't believe it? Think it is all robin hood fairy land unicorns and rainbows?
No American has tried to ESCAPE the "tyranny" of the horrific free market that has 7 Elevens and Burger Kings.
Sure as hell the other way around. Boy, marxism must be just great.
Just great. Be ready to starve. That's how they will elminate most of us.
Cow farts global warmjng. Get ready. You and all of us will get what we all deserve.
Get ready. Be ready for gnashing of teeth and wailing.

Wrong.
All the countries you list, Cuba, Nicaragua, China, Vietnam, Russia, and East Germany were never remotely Marxist.
Russia started a revolution in 1917 with some Marxist ideology, but Stalin took over and wiped out any Marxists.
So no country has ever been remotely Marxist.
We have no idea if Marxism could work, because it has never been tried.
What Stalin created was State Capitalism.
There was nothing remotely collective, cooperative, or communal about Stalinism.
For any government to be collective, cooperative, or communal, it has to be democratic, local, and with equality.
What Stalin installed was authoritarian, central, and with a wealthy ruling elite.
That is the exact opposite.

Yes they were marxist.

Marxism has been repeatedly tried and always succeeded in estasblishing dictatorships of the proletariate which is what Stalin did they only failed to reach the utopian stateless period of development which Marx predicted.

There is nothing remotely collective cooperative or communal about marxism either.

Wrong.
Stalin was an anti-Marxist and killed all the Marxists like Trotsky.
Why else would he kill Marxists unless he was anti-Marxist?

Marx promoted an ideology that would require no state.
For that to happen, everyone would have to be satisfied with it and want to support it willingly.
Has anyone ever suggested a state anything remotely like that?
Of course not.
So then no one has ever remotely supported or suggested a Marxist state except some Russian idealists who were killed before they could start implementing anything.
If you don't think Marxism requires things to be collective, cooperative, and communal, then you know nothing about Marx, communism, socialism, Anarchism, or just about any political theory.

Like the socialists of the time----different factions within the communist party vying for power and money---infighting one another. Think of it as the primaries but where open murder and locking up your opponents was better tolerated and expected. Like what Hilliary does now--just hides it more.

A real Marxist would not be trying to just benefit themselves, so then would not be needing or using force.
Marxism is about attempting to end coercive methods, so would not need or use coercive methods.

SUre they would as marxism requires notrhing altruistic.

MArxism is rooted in and demands coercion and force.

 

[Rigby5]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

It's what the Nazi head ups did as well------socialists do tend to kill one off within a few years as they grasp for power and money.

The Nazis were not socialist nor were they liberals, nor were they communist nor were they Republicans..

We've explained this to you little children repeatedly, Moon. The nazis were the German SOCIALIST PARTY---its in their name. They rose to power promising free chit and using street thugs to terrorize the citizens while burning down cities too.

They did coopt the name but were nothing like socialist, Marxist, etc, they never promised anyone anything for free, you had to work and were required to work...

Thats a lie--------------they offered free school, free food, guaranteed jobs, free entertainment, welfare and much more.

Yah, the capitalists always promised the Blacks in Africa free school, free food, guaranteed jobs, and welfare when loaded them onto the slave ships to southern plantations.

Capitalists? Try CATHOLICS and apparently Jews and oh yeah mostly Muslims involved.. but regardless, what point are you trying to make? Oh that all capitalists are evil despite capitalism being the only long term proven system to get people out of poverty.

Capitalism is about profits, not getting people out of poverty.
Capitalism deliberately wants to create as much poverty as possible, by taking from as many people as possible, and concentrating the wealth in the hands of the ruling elite.

Religion was not the cause of slavery, greed was.
And that is the root of capitalism.

Capitalism can produce some benefits, like technology, but is negative in the long run.
This planet could have supported a happy primitive life style indefinitely.
But by getting greedy, we destroy the happy primitive life style, force everyone to become employed by strangers, so that they can afford the basics like rent, that should normally be free to primitives.
The level of technology we are producing will destroy the planet for human habitation in less than a thousand years.
We are using ancient fossilized solar energy and will run out of that in less than 300 years.
What will be left will be massively polluted and barren.

Yes capitalism is about profits and strangely enough has gotten more people out of poverty than any other systems

Capitalism does not want to create poverty it simply wants people left to their own devices to make a profit. Despite this more people have been lifted out of poverty than any government plan or ideology has ever done.

Capitalismm is an overall positive in the long run.

There is no happy primitive lifestyle

All primitive life styles are relatively happy.
If they were not, then they all would have jumped at the chance to join the invading capitalist and technological society.
But instead they not only always fight it, but hide from it or try to escape it.
It has always brought negative results, and the primitive were always happier without it.
The American natives for example.
But also true in Hawaii, Polynesia, Australia, Africa, China, etc.
There are still people willing to go to hotile and remote places like Alaska, just to get away from the capitalist rat race.
All normal people prefer primitive over hostile capitalist technology.

 

[Turtlesoup]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

It's what the Nazi head ups did as well------socialists do tend to kill one off within a few years as they grasp for power and money.

The Nazis were not socialist nor were they liberals, nor were they communist nor were they Republicans..

We've explained this to you little children repeatedly, Moon. The nazis were the German SOCIALIST PARTY---its in their name. They rose to power promising free chit and using street thugs to terrorize the citizens while burning down cities too.

They did coopt the name but were nothing like socialist, Marxist, etc, they never promised anyone anything for free, you had to work and were required to work...

Thats a lie--------------they offered free school, free food, guaranteed jobs, free entertainment, welfare and much more.

Yah, the capitalists always promised the Blacks in Africa free school, free food, guaranteed jobs, and welfare when loaded them onto the slave ships to southern plantations.

Capitalists? Try CATHOLICS and apparently Jews and oh yeah mostly Muslims involved.. but regardless, what point are you trying to make? Oh that all capitalists are evil despite capitalism being the only long term proven system to get people out of poverty.

Capitalism is about profits, not getting people out of poverty.
Capitalism deliberately wants to create as much poverty as possible, by taking from as many people as possible, and concentrating the wealth in the hands of the ruling elite.

Religion was not the cause of slavery, greed was.
And that is the root of capitalism.

Capitalism can produce some benefits, like technology, but is negative in the long run.
This planet could have supported a happy primitive life style indefinitely.
But by getting greedy, we destroy the happy primitive life style, force everyone to become employed by strangers, so that they can afford the basics like rent, that should normally be free to primitives.
The level of technology we are producing will destroy the planet for human habitation in less than a thousand years.
We are using ancient fossilized solar energy and will run out of that in less than 300 years.
What will be left will be massively polluted and barren.

CAPITALISM GETS PEOPLE OUT OF POVERTY--there has never been a better form of government at doing so baby. THIS IS A FACT. And yet you want to blow smoke? Really?

I am all for leaving primitive people in their primitive worlds..........without innoculations AND modern inventions as the world is overpopulated and enable ignorant people only encourages more and more children that they don't take care of.

 

[Rigby5]

It's gonna happen. The 0nly good news.

He's former KGB. Are you buying into this crap?

What, do you mean? Research what he is referring to in regards to marxist take overs everywhere.

Cuba
Nicaragua
China
Vietnam
Russia
East Germany

Don't believe it? Think it is all robin hood fairy land unicorns and rainbows?
No American has tried to ESCAPE the "tyranny" of the horrific free market that has 7 Elevens and Burger Kings.
Sure as hell the other way around. Boy, marxism must be just great.
Just great. Be ready to starve. That's how they will elminate most of us.
Cow farts global warmjng. Get ready. You and all of us will get what we all deserve.
Get ready. Be ready for gnashing of teeth and wailing.

Wrong.
All the countries you list, Cuba, Nicaragua, China, Vietnam, Russia, and East Germany were never remotely Marxist.
Russia started a revolution in 1917 with some Marxist ideology, but Stalin took over and wiped out any Marxists.
So no country has ever been remotely Marxist.
We have no idea if Marxism could work, because it has never been tried.
What Stalin created was State Capitalism.
There was nothing remotely collective, cooperative, or communal about Stalinism.
For any government to be collective, cooperative, or communal, it has to be democratic, local, and with equality.
What Stalin installed was authoritarian, central, and with a wealthy ruling elite.
That is the exact opposite.

Yes they were marxist.

Marxism has been repeatedly tried and always succeeded in estasblishing dictatorships of the proletariate which is what Stalin did they only failed to reach the utopian stateless period of development which Marx predicted.

There is nothing remotely collective cooperative or communal about marxism either.

Wrong.
Stalin was an anti-Marxist and killed all the Marxists like Trotsky.
Why else would he kill Marxists unless he was anti-Marxist?

Marx promoted an ideology that would require no state.
For that to happen, everyone would have to be satisfied with it and want to support it willingly.
Has anyone ever suggested a state anything remotely like that?
Of course not.
So then no one has ever remotely supported or suggested a Marxist state except some Russian idealists who were killed before they could start implementing anything.
If you don't think Marxism requires things to be collective, cooperative, and communal, then you know nothing about Marx, communism, socialism, Anarchism, or just about any political theory.

Stalin was a marxist and only killed select marxists who had a slightly different view on how it should be implemented.

Marx promoted no such ideology he promoted a system which would follow various steps to reach a stateless society of total slavery.

Dictatorship under someone like Stalin was precisely one of the steps in Marx's ideology.

I know more about maxism than you, appeal to ignorance is not an argument proving you have none.

marixsm is not about cooperative action or communal action or voluntary collectivism.

That is just silly.
There was not a single Marxist Stalin did not kill off.

Slavery can not be stateless.
Slavery requires force, which requires a state that can implement and apply the force.
Stateless means without force or any form of coercion, which means it has to be totally voluntary and rewarding.

You apparently know nothing about Marxism, but instead only know about Stalinism, which is the opposite of Marxism.
One way to tell I am right is how people were glad when Stalin died.
If he had implemented something good and rewarding, that would not have been the case.

That is revisionist crap therre were many who lived and continued to preach marxism under his regime he did not kill them all off he only killed off selective marxists who did not agree with his particular denomination.

Yes slavery can indeed be stateless all it takes is force.

Individuals can implement force as well

If an individual implements force, that IS a STATE.
That is just an authoritarian state of a single individual.

Stateless means NO force at all.
Go ask a Libertarian to educate you.