One person's death cannot atone for the sins of another

[guno]

Why Jews reject what is commanded against in the Tanakh

The Bible is clear, and it is consistent: one person cannot die for the sins of another. In other words, the sins committed by one person cannot be wiped out by the punishment given to another. In Exodus 32:30-35, Moses asks Gd to punish him for the sin committed by the people in regards to the Golden Calf. Gd tells Moses that the person who committed the sin is the one who must receive the punishment. Then, in Deuteronomy 24:16, Gd simply states this as a basic principle, 'Every man shall be put to death for his own sin.' This concept is repeated in the Prophets, in Ezekiel 18: 'The soul that sinneth, it shall die... the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.' The prophet Jeremiah looks to the day when the mistaken belief that one man's death atones for another man's sins shall no longer be held by anyone: in Jeremiah 31:29-30, the prophet says: 'In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.'

What Jews Believe: Essay #1: No Vicarious Atonement

 

[JakeStarkey]

ok

 

[Meriweather]

Why Jews reject what is commanded against in the Tanakh

The Bible is clear, and it is consistent: one person cannot die for the sins of another. In other words, the sins committed by one person cannot be wiped out by the punishment given to another. In Exodus 32:30-35, Moses asks Gd to punish him for the sin committed by the people in regards to the Golden Calf. Gd tells Moses that the person who committed the sin is the one who must receive the punishment. Then, in Deuteronomy 24:16, Gd simply states this as a basic principle, 'Every man shall be put to death for his own sin.' This concept is repeated in the Prophets, in Ezekiel 18: 'The soul that sinneth, it shall die... the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.' The prophet Jeremiah looks to the day when the mistaken belief that one man's death atones for another man's sins shall no longer be held by anyone: in Jeremiah 31:29-30, the prophet says: 'In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.'

What Jews Believe: Essay #1: No Vicarious Atonement

Jews were commanded/believed that priests could offer sacrifices to signify/symbolizing the forgiveness/atonement of sins of the Jewish people, correct? Jews believe blood ratifies a covenant, right? Instead of continuing to offer animals and cereal as a sign of forgiveness/atonement, Christians offer repentance, insist animal and cereal sacrifices are no longer needed to signify the forgiveness of sins, that Christ's offering of his life is sufficient until the end of time, point to Christ's blood a the sign of the New Covenant (or Testament).

Priests bearing sacrifices to the altar signified priests bearing the peoples' sins. In the same way, Christ bears our sins. This should be a simple concept for Jews to understand: Instead of a priest bearing sins of the people to the altar of God, Christ bears our sins, not to an altar, but to God Himself.

Jesus announced, "Sins are forgiven." Priests of the time demanded to know by whose authority he announced the forgiveness of sins. Jesus told them it was by the authority of the Father. He taught repentance (or turning from disobedience to obedience towards God) for the forgiveness of sins.

Jesus was speaking of a New Covenant, and blood seals covenants. Christ's own blood is the sign of this New Covenant between God and His people. Repentance (or obedience) for the forgiveness of sins. Christ gave his life testifying to this. Our redemption is founded upon obedience to God--and Christ's life exhibits this obedience, obedience onto death.

Most Christians believe that it is our responsibility to repent and make reparation (to the extent we are capable) for our sins. The gap between what we are able to do and what is needed, we believe is bridged by God.

Yes, there are some Christian sects that teach that sins have already been forgiven two thousand years ago. Most, however, teach as Christ taught: Repentance for the forgiveness of sins and trust that after we do all we can to turn from sin and make reparations for sins we do commit, God will bridge the gap and repair what we cannot.

Christian scriptures note that with Christ's death, sin sacrifices born by priests to the altar of God on behalf of the of the people is no longer required for the forgiveness of people's sins. Christ bore our sins directly to God.

 

[JakeStarkey]

ok

 

[Blackrook]

Prediction: guno is in the process of converting to Catholicism.

 

[Campbell]

LMAO!!! Are you shittin' me?

 

[tyroneweaver]

Why Jews reject what is commanded against in the Tanakh

The Bible is clear, and it is consistent: one person cannot die for the sins of another. In other words, the sins committed by one person cannot be wiped out by the punishment given to another. In Exodus 32:30-35, Moses asks Gd to punish him for the sin committed by the people in regards to the Golden Calf. Gd tells Moses that the person who committed the sin is the one who must receive the punishment. Then, in Deuteronomy 24:16, Gd simply states this as a basic principle, 'Every man shall be put to death for his own sin.' This concept is repeated in the Prophets, in Ezekiel 18: 'The soul that sinneth, it shall die... the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.' The prophet Jeremiah looks to the day when the mistaken belief that one man's death atones for another man's sins shall no longer be held by anyone: in Jeremiah 31:29-30, the prophet says: 'In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.'

What Jews Believe: Essay #1: No Vicarious Atonement

And how respectful have you been to the practicing Mormons on this forum. And we're supposed to give you respect????

 

[waltky]

Granny says dey can...

... if dey's the Son o' God...

... an' God tol' `em to do it.

 

[BreezeWood]

one person cannot die for the sins of another. In other words, the sins committed by one person cannot be wiped out by the punishment given to another.

one person cannot die for the sins of another ... by the punishment given to another.


that is not the case for J who's life was taken from him by the (zealous) jews - by their contempt for the Almighty the jews crucifixion raised the value of all errant proselytizers as being innocent of their crime as the origination of the christian religion the jews are now guilty for themselves.

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[kjw47]

Why Jews reject what is commanded against in the Tanakh

The Bible is clear, and it is consistent: one person cannot die for the sins of another. In other words, the sins committed by one person cannot be wiped out by the punishment given to another. In Exodus 32:30-35, Moses asks Gd to punish him for the sin committed by the people in regards to the Golden Calf. Gd tells Moses that the person who committed the sin is the one who must receive the punishment. Then, in Deuteronomy 24:16, Gd simply states this as a basic principle, 'Every man shall be put to death for his own sin.' This concept is repeated in the Prophets, in Ezekiel 18: 'The soul that sinneth, it shall die... the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.' The prophet Jeremiah looks to the day when the mistaken belief that one man's death atones for another man's sins shall no longer be held by anyone: in Jeremiah 31:29-30, the prophet says: 'In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.'

What Jews Believe: Essay #1: No Vicarious Atonement

Your post is true in the most part--Except it is fact, Jesus' death did cover certain ones sin. Those apart of the little flock( Luke 12:32) who will be changed in the twinkling of an eye during the tribulation--there aren't many on earth now of the 144,000 total. Rev 14:3) And Gods word promises the great multitude will be brought through Har-mageddon into Gods kingdom on earth-Matthew 24:22-Proverbs 2:21-22)
These have accomplished this-Ephesians 4:22-24 and this John 4:22-24--washed their robes white by living now to do Gods will-Matt 7:21) They have disowned themselves to follow Jesus-Matt 16:24)

 

[JakeStarkey]

one person cannot die for the sins of another. In other words, the sins committed by one person cannot be wiped out by the punishment given to another.

one person cannot die for the sins of another ... by the punishment given to another.


that is not the case for J who's life was taken from him by the (zealous) jews - by their contempt for the Almighty the jews crucifixion raised the value of all errant proselytizers as being innocent of their crime as the origination of the christian religion the jews are now guilty for themselves.

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Stop it. The Romans crucified in Jesus, not the Jews.

 

[BreezeWood]

one person cannot die for the sins of another. In other words, the sins committed by one person cannot be wiped out by the punishment given to another.

one person cannot die for the sins of another ... by the punishment given to another.


that is not the case for J who's life was taken from him by the (zealous) jews - by their contempt for the Almighty the jews crucifixion raised the value of all errant proselytizers as being innocent of their crime as the origination of the christian religion the jews are now guilty for themselves.

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Stop it. The Romans crucified in Jesus, not the Jews.

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Pontius Pilate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pilate appears to have been reluctant to allow the crucifixion of Jesus, finding no fault with him. According to Matthew 27:19, even Pilate's wife spoke to him on Jesus' behalf. According to the gospels, it was the custom of the Roman governor to release one prisoner at Passover, and Pilate brought out Barabbas, identified by Matthew as a "notorious prisoner" and by Mark as a murderer, and told the crowd to choose between releasing Barabbas or Jesus as per the custom, in the hopes of getting them to request the release of Jesus. However, the crowd demanded the release of Barabbas and said of Jesus, "Crucify him!" In Matthew, Pilate responds, "Why? What evil has he done?" The crowd continued shouting, "Crucify him!"

Pilate ordered a sign posted above Jesus on the cross stating "Jesus of Nazareth, The King of the Jews" to give public notice of the legal charge against him for his crucifixion. The chief priests protested that the public charge on the sign should read that Jesus claimed to be King of the Jews. Pilate refused to change the posted charge, saying "What I have written, I have written."

"Crucify him!"


the jews certainly took offense not much unlike a respnse similar to ISIS today or throughout history ...

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[JakeStarkey]

The Romans crucified Jesus, not the Jews.

Let's be straight here.

 

[BreezeWood]

your response is not relevant to the post Jack -


what the jews insisted for Jesus is no different a zealotry than what the Germans insisted for the jews, AH - they, the jews reaped what they themselves had sowed.

simply, the outcome to an innocent persons demise is unlimited.

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[kjw47]

your response is not relevant to the post Jack -


what the jews insisted for Jesus is no different a zealotry than what the Germans insisted for the jews, AH - they, the jews reaped what they themselves had sowed.

simply, the outcome to an innocent persons demise is unlimited.

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The Israelite teachers in Jesus' day were 100% zealous for the Law--they never broke the law--except when it came to Jesus( their hatred ruled their hearts for him instead of Gods law)--A man was allowed 7 days to build a defense--The Israelite teachers tried Jesus the first night of his arrest. Breaking Gods law. Hate filled hearts accomplished that.

 

[JakeStarkey]

your response is not relevant to the post Jack -


what the jews insisted for Jesus is no different a zealotry than what the Germans insisted for the jews, AH - they, the jews reaped what they themselves had sowed.

simply, the outcome to an innocent persons demise is unlimited..

You don't understand Christian beliefs, then. We begin with the truth, which is that the Romans crucified Jesus.

Anyone who is going to persecute the children of Israel because they are just that are of the devil

 

[BreezeWood]

Anyone who is going to persecute the children of Israel because they are just that are of the devil

birds of a feather flock together, Jake - whomever may be the prosecutor.


"Truly I say to you that this very night, before a rooster crows, you will deny Me three times."

it did not go down well for you either, did it ....

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