CDZ on the future of the South China Sea (do we want to just hand it over to China, who i believe have a valid historical claim to those waters)?

[peacefan]

time for some levity, folks...

the war over the south china sea, as experienced by all government leaders and forum account holders alike....

 

[peacefan]

I discuss, but no one has anything to 'learn' from the likes of you, boy.

ok ok grandpa..

 

[peacefan]

Waters that China is claiming that belong to them is actual disputed waters between Vietnam and the Philippines and has more to do with oil than the actual shipping lanes.

China believe that because it is called the South China Sea then what is within it boundaries belong to them but that is ridiculous because then Mexico could make the same claim about the Gulf of Mexico.

Because a Sea is named after a country does not mean they own all the rights over it and China is foolish to think that the World will just roll over and accept it.

that's the first actually good reason i read to continue to make a stand against Chinese imperialism in the south china sea.

 

[peacefan]

To let China have anything means like Hitler and our crappy BLM pigs go on to demand and take more and more. It's cheaper in money and lives to stand up to them now rather than later....it was smart of Trump to go after them financially with tariffs now with Biden in we are fucked.

Toss Biden out, get trump back in asap..............fight the war against CHINA NOW. Target their pocket books first---take out their allies Gates/Bezos and our greedy billionaires.

not necessarily. i have Biden's ear, sometimes.
and my suggestions would be more diplomatic-assertive than your aggressive-assertive style, which saves lives, money, and face.
for all involved.

 

[Turtlesoup]

not necessarily. i have Biden's ear, sometimes.
and my suggestions would be more diplomatic-assertive than your aggressive-assertive style, which saves lives, money, and face.
for all involved.

It is NECESSARILY-----------human nature does not change. The communists are bullies they will keep trying to gain more and more and more till someone stands up to them. NO one else is strong enough and hell I don't think even the US is anymore---it is now or never pumpkin. If not now, then CHINA will rule the world under their sense of right and wrong---they are borgs who do not care about humans or nature.

 

[peacefan]

It is NECESSARILY-----------human nature does not change. The communists are bullies they will keep trying to gain more and more and more till someone stands up to them. NO one else is strong enough and hell I don't think even the US is anymore---it is now or never pumpkin. If not now, then CHINA will rule the world under their sense of right and wrong---they are borgs who do not care about humans or nature.

eh, they planted over a billion trees to stop the Gangzhu desert from encroaching any further, in the past 20 years..
meanwhile, we got a deal going with Brazil to buy Amazonian hardwood. Not that i'm entirely opposed to that idea.
Brazillian beef is bound to taste *great*

 

[peacefan]

âTheyâre watching usâ: Australia tracking Chinese surveillance ship heading towards Queensland

Scott Morrison says authorities are ‘very wary’ of the ship, which is monitoring the Talisman Sabre war games between Australia and US

www.theguardian.com

UK says it has no plans for South China Sea confrontation after Beijing warning

Fri 30 Jul 2021 16.00 BST

Britain has said it has no plans to stage a naval confrontation with China in the South China Sea and that it aims to send its carrier strike group in the most direct route across the contested body of water from Singapore to the Philippine Sea.

The cooling message emerged hours after China’s military and state media warned the UK against provocation as the group, led by Royal Navy aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth, undertakes what had been expected to be a more assertive deployment.

British defence sources said HMS Queen Elizabeth would sail “tens of miles away” from the disputed Spratly and Paracel Islands, which are claimed by China. The aircraft carrier and allied ships entered the South China Sea earlier this week and are expected to leave by the end of Saturday.

It is understood there is no intention to repeat the decision to sail the HMS Defender through disputed waters off the coast of Crimea in June, which led to the warship being followed by the Russian coastguard and being buzzed by low-flying planes.

Instead the Queen Elizabeth and its support ships will go on to take part in exercises with the US, Australia, France, Japan in the Philippine Sea, in a multinational show of strength aimed at Beijing.

One source said those exercises could include British warships visiting Japan’s Senkaku Islands, which are also claimed by China, in the East China Sea, as part of an effort by the UK to bolster its post Brexit-relationship with Tokyo.

But expectation had built up that Britain could sail closer to disputed islands in the South China Sea, which China has been accused of militarising, following the Black Sea episode and longer history of tensions between the two countries over the issue.

In August 2018, another British warship, HMS Albion, was ordered by the then defence secretary, Gavin Williamson, to sail close to the Paracel Islands, prompting a diplomatic row. Talk that the Queen Elizabeth might go to the South China Sea in 2019 led to China cancelling a round of trade talks with the UK.

Earlier, a spokesperson for China’s Ministry of National Defence, Wu Qian, said it respected freedom of navigation but firmly opposed any naval activities that aimed to provoke controversy.

“The action should never try to destabilise regional peace, including the latest military collaboration between the UK and Japan,” he said. “The Chinese navy will take any necessary actions to counter-measure such behaviour.”

The passage marks the first time Britain’s new strike group, which includes two destroyers and two frigates, has been deployed to the Asia-Pacific region.

The mission has also prompted multiple reports and commentary in China’s hawkish state media tabloid, the Global Times, which said “the very idea of a British presence in the South China Sea is dangerous”.

“If London tries to establish a military presence in the region with geopolitical significance, it will only disrupt the status quo in the region … And if there is any real action against China, it is looking for a defeat.”

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Later this year, the UK will also permanently assign two warships to the region. “We are not going to go to the other side of the world to be provocative. We will be confident, but not confrontational,” the defence secretary, Ben Wallace, told parliament in April.

Increased Chinese militarisation and expansionism in the region, particular towards Taiwan, which Beijing claims is a Chinese province that it will retake, have worsened tensions between China and many of its neighbours.

But even some British allies have questioned whether the UK can have an effective presence in the region. On Tuesday the US defence secretary, Lloyd Austin, warned military resources were scarce and the UK could perhaps “be more helpful in other parts of the world”.

that's excellent news, if you ask me..

 

[Damaged Eagle]

I think we should offer Taiwan and the Philippines statehood. Cuba, Japan, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands, too.

Then put a star in every line along the far edge from the flagpole, starting at the top if they accept for each new state.

*****SMILE*****

 

[yidnar]

i suppose that's a valid viewpoint too, although i believe they're just fighting muslim terrorism and seperatism, like they did with Tibet.
things will quiet down eventually, like they did in Tibet.

but i'll rest my case here then.

awwww ...that was such in nice sweet deflection ...your chicom masters are deeply moved !

 

[yidnar]

China purposefully spread covid to the rest of the world when they covered up and lied about the outbreak and restricted domestic travel to and from Wuhan but allowed international travel that spread the virus around the world ! and any dem that denies that is a liar and they know it ! but the left doesn't care ! they will absolutely not ! i say again the treasonous left will not ! hold their allies accountable for covid !

 

[peacefan]

awwww ...that was such in nice sweet deflection ...your chicom masters are deeply moved !

they're not my masters.

and we fight terrorism too.

 

[yidnar]

they're not my masters.

and we fight terrorism too.

bullshit ! china purposefully spread a virus around the world causing the deaths of millions ! do you deny that absolute fact ?

 

[sartre play]

How did we got from China and its long game of land control, to how were and why a virus started?

 

[yidnar]

How did we got from China and its long game of land control, to how were and why a virus started?

because its about China ! not only about their long game but a virus they purposefully spread around the world that has killed millions !

 

[peacefan]

bullshit ! china purposefully spread a virus around the world causing the deaths of millions ! do you deny that absolute fact ?

that was not what i was talking about, yidnar..

 

[sartre play]

because its about China ! not only about their long game but a virus they purposefully spread around the world that has killed millions !

Could you please give me the places you got the information that "they purposefully" spread the virus? We know it came from China, after that the water gets muddy.

 

[Mac-7]

that's the first actually good reason i read to continue to make a stand against Chinese imperialism in the south china sea.

Whatever floats your boat

china - actually the CCP - is an inhuman regime intent on world conquest

Taiwan and the south china sea are just stepping stones to bigger things in the future

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

let me know if you have any more real questions for me.
and try to keep the insults to a minimum, then i'll do the same for you.
after all, we're in a widely-read audience right now..

Your posts are full of insults, You have been reported for CDZ violations. Watch as your posts disappear.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

not necessarily. i have Biden's ear, sometimes.
and my suggestions would be more diplomatic-assertive than your aggressive-assertive style, which saves lives, money, and face.
for all involved.

You have Biden's ear? You best give it back because he needs it desperately!

 

[DudleySmith]

We've already been floating around there for a long time, so no added expense for us, plus we have all kinds of mutual defense treaties we need to hold up that can't be done from San Diego or Pearl. You want to diminish Red China's influence and sabre rattling, just quit subsidizing companies who build them up and sell them our tech, and arrest their spies. Even Commie Viet Nam wouldn't be independent if it weren't for the U.S.. The fact is the domino theory was real and exactly what would have happened without SEATO and Great Britain as our allies. The Phillipines is currently regreting their silliness re the American bases there; what was it, maybe a year later when they had to cry for us to come rescue them from Red Chinese intimidation running them off a fishing ground there?