CDZ on the future of the South China Sea (do we want to just hand it over to China, who i believe have a valid historical claim to those waters)?

[peacefan]

No Chinese claims South China Sea is Chinese territory. Chinese official value of China area is 9 million square kilometers, not 13 million square kilometers.

i suppose we can start floating the ships around the South China Sea then... it'll be costly, we'll end up paying the Chinese government taxes for transit rights, but you got a valid point.

i'll try to bring it up on my peacefan @usmessageboard.com account sometime soon, but they got a lot on their minds already, ideas i introduced there this week, which go against decades worth of sturdy American indoctrination of their own populations...

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South China Sea row: British aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth ignores Chinese threats
i am thoroughly against regional and large scale wars.
that just wastes lives and money. don't get me wrong, i'm not against the arms industries of Earth at all..
i think they're doing a fine job keeping us strong.
i just hate to see mass casualty events.

but i can't always go against (large-scale) government + mass-media-industry PR campaigns happening in multiple major countries at the same time, and doing *that* also goes too far against the principles of free speech.
that's where manipulation starts, and you end up being a meglanomaniac. which i'm certainly *not*.

 

[2aguy]

i suppose we can start floating the ships around the South China Sea then... it'll be costly, we'll end up paying the Chinese government taxes for transit rights, but you got a valid point.

i'll try to bring it up on my peacefan @usmessageboard.com account sometime soon, but they got a lot on their minds already, ideas i introduced there this week, which go against decades worth of sturdy American indoctrination of their own populations...

10 minutes later, update at https:_//www.facebook.com/rene.veerman.90/posts/523732305621682?__cft__[0]=AZUurMe_2sAczRAhI5X0ypsqT7GjM3YHac8SfJ0fNqz61nbR0iwFzTdnEeudTp77bcpEtC-bobRiGyeWQphTTnMQips6tQe5FOSVJ-yw3J_-1491YpHV9Z2zjKKLF4l4XpI&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R

South China Sea row: British aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth ignores Chinese threats
i am thoroughly against regional and large scale wars.
that just wastes lives and money. don't get me wrong, i'm not against the arms industries of Earth at all..
i think they're doing a fine job keeping us strong.
i just hate to see mass casualty events.

but i can't always go against (large-scale) government + mass-media-industry PR campaigns happening in multiple major countries at the same time, and doing *that* also goes too far against the principles of free speech.
that's where manipulation starts, and you end up being a meglanomaniac. which i'm certainly *not*.

China is committing genocide against chinese muslims and forces millions of Chinese into slave labor......they do not deserve or have any claim to anything.....they are the Germans of the 1930s all over again, but with better technology and more resources....but with the same racism and genocidal beliefs...

 

[wamose]

Fuck Red China. We'll go where we want to, especially after those assholes spread a biological weapon all over the world, killing millions. Neither us or the rest of the world owes those commie bastards anything but contempt.

 

[Manonthestreet]

And what of the other countries bordering SCS?

 

[peacefan]

China is committing genocide against chinese muslims and forces millions of Chinese into slave labor......they do not deserve or have any claim to anything.....they are the Germans of the 1930s all over again, but with better technology and more resources....but with the same racism and genocidal beliefs...

i suppose that's a valid viewpoint too, although i believe they're just fighting muslim terrorism and seperatism, like they did with Tibet.
things will quiet down eventually, like they did in Tibet.

but i'll rest my case here then.

 

[peacefan]

And what of the other countries bordering SCS?

we should protect them against Chinese imperialist desires.

 

[Unkotare]

i suppose that's a valid viewpoint too, although i believe they're just fighting muslim terrorism and seperatism, like they did with Tibet.
things will quiet down eventually, like they did in Tibet.

but i'll rest my case here then.

Disgraceful, disgusting apologizing for the brutality of a totalitarian regime. I don't know where you live, but you sure as hell don't deserve to live in any kind of democracy. Tibet was NOT a hotbed of terrorism (if you think Tibet is Muslim, you're more ignorant than I thought) and you're not "separatist" if you were already separate. Things are not "quiet" in Tibet, you just don't hear the news from what is actually going on there.

 

[peacefan]

Rene 'Gavan' Veerman aka peacefan @usmessageboard.com and peacegen @defence.pk, to all :
if *you* and your family and friends want *you* to post effectively to mass media companies and government political parties, just look up the email addresses on their websites, and email them from a custom gmail / hotmail / whatever email account!

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Whats with all these new hyper sensitive liberals that we've been seeing lately on USMB?
It's really been a whine fest here lately.

 

[Harry Dresden]

you're a total fool and i'm never going to reply to your insults. grow the F up.

not another wuss?

 

[peacefan]

not another wuss?

i just didn't feel like fixing up his psychology in friendly terms.
i spoke back to him in his own language.
i got enough on my plates today..

 

[peacefan]

Whats with all these new hyper sensitive liberals that we've been seeing lately on USMB?
It's really been a whine fest here lately.

sorry. i'm one of those independent/Republican that just doesn't likes to hang out with the tree-huggers that often

 

[Harry Dresden]

i just didn't feel like fixing up his psychology in friendly terms.
i spoke back to him in his own language.
i got enough on my plates today..

you can say fuck here.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

sorry. i'm one of those independent/Republican that don't like to hang out with the tree-huggers that often

you are either an independent or a republican....you cant be both...

 

[peacefan]

you are either an independent or a republican....you cant be both...

nonsense. i can and will be whatever i *want* to be, at any given time / day / week / year.

 

[Donald H]

China is going to take a slow and measured approach to regaining what they consider theirs.
An example of that method can be seen in Cuba.

How the US responds to either is the question now. America is certainly not going to solve it's problem of losing Cuba to China by appealing to the Cuban people. They are rock solid in supporting their revolution. And war with China isn't an option!
Any better ideas?

Obviously Biden needs to begin to find some saving of the situation in cooperation with China. He obviously wants to but is afraid of losing any hope of his party taking Florida.

 

[peacefan]

China is going to take a slow and measured approach to regaining what they consider theirs.
An example of that method can be seen in Cuba.

How the US responds to either is the question now. America is certainly not going to solve it's problem of losing Cuba to China by appealing to the Cuban people. They are rock solid in supporting their revolution. And war with China isn't an option!
Any better ideas?

Obviously Biden needs to begin to find some saving of the situation in cooperation with China. He obviously wants to but is afraid of losing any hope of his party taking Florida.

i suggest, and only *suggest*, that you Americans hand over Taiwan *and* Venezuela to China + Russian influence / brotherhood.
Iran you can treat sternly. *Those* imperialistic folks are thoroughly anti-Israel and a lot more prone to supporting terror strikes against the west by "tolerating" terror training camps in territories that their militant foreign policy groups end up controlling.

 

[Harry Dresden]

nonsense. i can and will be whatever i *want* to be, at any given time / day / week / year.

then you aint no independent....if you vote republican you are a republican...if you vote democrat you are a democrat....a true independent has a problem with both parties,thats why they dont support either one....if you support one of the parties you are then part of that party and their agenda.......

 

[Unkotare]

you're a total fool and i'm never going to reply to your insults. grow the F up.

You haven't responded to the points raised in my post.

 

[peacefan]

then you aint no independent....if you vote republican you are a republican...if you vote democrat you are a democrat....a true independent has a problem with both parties,thats why they dont support either one....if you support one of the parties you are then part of that party and their agenda.......

i'm Dutch, not American.

we have a multi-party political system over here.
with right-wing parties, left-wing parties, a green party, a nationalists' party, a socialist party, and they all get along just fine.