On Jan 6, did Congress/ Mike Pence have the authority to overrule the States Electoral Votes?

[BlindBoo]

Wrong.
You skip the part "according to the rules in this subchapter provided".
If the VP does not believe the rules were followed, then he CAN NOT certify.

Again it's not a determination he makes, he verifies each one when they are opened. It's all ceremonial.

 

[Faun]

Of course it is up to Congress to investigate, but until the VP is satisfied, he is not supposed to "certify".
That what the process implied by the word "certification" means.

You're lying again, Pinocchio.

The VP doesn't certify the results. Congress does. He's just an MC who announces their findings.

 

[Faun]

Wrong.
Those who deliberately lie to give anarchy a negative connotation, are the autocrats who wish to impose rule over the majority.
The reality is that Anarchism simply means a non-coercive government.
The worst anyone can say about it is that it is idealistic.

You're lying again, Pinocchio.

It's democracy that is the rule of the majority. Now you're idiotically calling democracy, "autocrats."

 

[Faun]

It is irrelevant since Pence did nothing, but clearly the VP has the authority to NOT certify.
That is the whole point of "certification" and is implied as well as stated in statute.

You're lying again, Pinocchio.

According to your nonsense, Biden/Harris can run again in 2024 and LOSE bigly but then on January 6th, 2025, VP Harris can say, 'ya know what? I reject all these Trump electors... I think the election was rigged. I declare myself VP for the next 4 years!'

That makes sense to you, does it?

You're pathological.

 

[Faun]

Wrong.
It is a crime to ever certify any results until satisfied they are accurate.
Does not matter how long it takes.

You're lying again, Pinocchio.

That's up to Congressmen/women to decide, not the VP. His role is merely to announce what they decide.

 

[BlindBoo]

Wrong.
It clearly says the VP certified the results.

Nah. He does get to ceremonially announce the results. Only the states certify their states votes. Only the Senate and the House combined can disregard a states certified results if they both agree to the objection raised during the count.

 

[Faun]

Wrong.
It clearly says the VP certified the results.

You're pathological, Pinocchio.

 

[Dragonlady]

The link said:
{...
The Arizona document, dated Dec. 7, 2020, lists the names of 11 electors voting for the Republican candidates while the state's actual 11 electors cast their votes on Dec. 14 for now-President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris.
...}
So this is a simple case of forgery which can easily be investigated by interviewing the named electors.
There is zero chance of a fraud like this succeeding.
But frauds like this should require MORE investigation, not less.

Yes they do and the January 6th Commission is investigating them, but because they were declared forgeries by all of the Secretaries of State involved, and none of the electors names appear in any official state documents regarding the Electors, there is absolutely no reason to delay the certification or Inauguration of the incoming President.

The question the January 6th committee will be asking is whether these forgeries we’re coordinated through one office, and whether were ordered by someone above the state party presidents who signed them.

Those are quite rightly questions that the committee investigating the January 6 insurrection should be asking.

When you lay the forgeries out on the table, They all appear to have been created by the same person - all on plain white paper, with similar formats formats, layouts and fonts. All were signed by the president of the state’s republican party and not the Secretary of State which made them invalid in any case.

The actual documents bear no resemblance to one another. Some are on fancy paper with state seals or logo’s. All are made for display.

This sounds like an excuse to delay the certification of the election. Oh no we can’t do it now we have to wait and find out who tried to create these forgeries.

Anything to delay, obstruct, or prevent Donald Trump from being forced out of office because he lost the fucking election.

 

[Lesh]

No. He did not

 

[lennypartiv]

The question the January 6th committee will be asking is whether these forgeries we’re coordinated through one office, and whether were ordered by someone above the state party presidents who signed them.

These documents are accurate after they throw out the fraudulent votes.

 

[colfax_m]

These documents are accurate after they throw out the fraudulent votes.

They throw out every vote in 7 states. Was every vote in those 7 states fraudulent?

 

[Lesh]

These documents are accurate after they throw out the fraudulent votes.

They are ...read this slowly...

FORGERIES

They are no more valid than if you and your buddies wrote them