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Sure provided everyone maintained a distance of 6 foot separation, avoided coming to work or church if they were ill or exposed to the virus. However, you and I know that is not going to happen because that is not how we work nor how worship. Even if 99 out of a hundred follow the rules, it only takes one person to spread the virus to many people. One person in South Korea, identified as patient 31 transmitted the virus to over 1,100 people as she went about her life.We stick with the plan of isolation which has worked for centuries in fighting epidemics and has worked in China and South Korea and seems to be working in Italy. The current situation is not likely to last more than month or two. When the number of new cases start falling, the governors will start loosening the restrictions in their state, the market will start recovering and the economy will recover.And 46,000 die of heart disease every day each, 27,000 from cancer, and 600 to 1200 from Flu when averaged over a 5 year period. There relevance to fight to stop covid 19 is exactly Zero for two reasons.4000 a month are dying from the flu and 900 a month with corona. Again friend, your lack of logic, cause you left it at the door, isn't with you on this one. 4000 is greater than 900. Now, feel free to challenge that.So, comparing the numbers in a snapshot of the flu and covid-19 is obviously painfully stupid. There is a reason the global scientific community is taking this more seriously than the flu. If anyone hear is scratching their heads wondering why that is (scroll up for a demonstration), or wondering why a bunch of uneducated slobs can't just intuitively figure this out for themselves (same, scroll up), I suggest you do what rational, functioning adults do and go read up.
First, deaths from Flu, cancer, and heart disease may vary from year to year but averaged over a 10 year period, death rates are pretty stable. The deaths from Covid 19 is doubling approximately every 6 days. At that rate, the 21,000 current deaths would increase in just 90 days to surpass that of the Flu, heart disease, and cancer.
Secondly, compared to the Flu or other diseases I mention, we know practically nothing about Covid 19. We don't know if people will recover with long term immunity, or whether they will have serious complications. We don't know if or when a vaccine or effective antivirals will become available. Finally, just about everything we think we know about transmission has not verified.
Ignoring the rapid increase in the number of cases and deaths and believing the cornavirus is not worth fighting simply because the death rate has not reached that of other diseases is downright stupid.
So we default to what we are now which is not sustainable.
There are other options besides this and ignorning it.
However, if we throw the towel in and abandon the current restrictions, the cases will increase at a faster rate, hospitals will be overloaded, and any economic recovery will be short lived. In short, we finish what we have started.
Stop with the abandon and throw in the towel horseshit.
I am going to ask you because other left wingers won't answer. Do you believe someone can hold a church service, take precautions (a whole list of them) and still prevent the spread of the disease ?
Can I go to my office (take all kinds of precautions) and still prevent the spread of the diesease ?
It is a simple question.
But I am part of that, at least until we bribe Mexico to take Calipornia back.You're not part of this. This is happening in California now ...Tribalism at its lowest, but people panic with their lizard brains.
Gaffney: China Lying About Its Coronavirus Status with Media's Support
China is lying about the state of coronavirus within its territory while enjoying support from U.S. news media, said Frank Gaffney.www.breitbart.com
Gaffney continued, “For example, the Chinese government maintains that not a single member of the People’s Liberation Army — not one — has been infected with the coronavirus, the Chinese virus, and that’s completely preposterous, of course, especially since large numbers of Chinese military personnel have been deployed to Wuhan and places like it.”
Marlow asked about a recent report of the disappearance of about 21 million cellphone accounts in China over the past three months.
Gaffney replied, “This is deeply suspicious, whether it’s 21 million people who have ceased to be able to use their cellphones or perhaps no longer exist is very much an open question, but one of the things that ought to be instructive here is the Chinese are now beginning to use cellphones as part of their larger security police state apparatus to establish whether people have the virus.”
Gaffney went on, “If those 21 million people don’t turn up, it will be a strong indication that something has befallen them that is precluding them from using their phones. We’ll have to wait and see, but it’s an interesting and frightening indication that again, we’re not being told the truth by the Chinese Communist Party.”...
China and its American news media allies seek to “persuade people that the United States is doing terribly with this,” said Gaffney, “and that communism is a cure for coronavirus, because of the effective way it controls people, and thereby the disease, or at the very least, that China is riding to the rescue at a time when the United States is domestically preoccupied by bringing medicine and experts and masks.
In Washington we did try the middle ground asking people to work from home if they could, avoid large crowds, ect. The result was little changed, people attended large events, most everybody went to work, parks, playgrounds, restaurants and theaters. There was little difference in crowded areas and the daily number of new cases kept increasing. The governor then order all businesses closed except those listed as essential, all schools and colleges closed, all bars and restaurants closed except for delivery and take out, all events and meetings over 100 people, sporting events and concerts shutdown, church services cancelled and funerals postponed. People were told to stay at home except for a list of essential activities. After about 10 days the rate new cases started to drop. It's still a long way from no new cases but it's a start.Sure provided everyone maintained a distance of 6 foot separation, avoided coming to work or church if they were ill or exposed to the virus. However, you and I know that is not going to happen because that is not how we work nor how worship. Even if 99 out of a hundred follow the rules, it only takes one person to spread the virus to many people. One person in South Korea, identified as patient 31 transmitted the virus to over 1,100 people as she went about her life.We stick with the plan of isolation which has worked for centuries in fighting epidemics and has worked in China and South Korea and seems to be working in Italy. The current situation is not likely to last more than month or two. When the number of new cases start falling, the governors will start loosening the restrictions in their state, the market will start recovering and the economy will recover.And 46,000 die of heart disease every day each, 27,000 from cancer, and 600 to 1200 from Flu when averaged over a 5 year period. There relevance to fight to stop covid 19 is exactly Zero for two reasons.4000 a month are dying from the flu and 900 a month with corona. Again friend, your lack of logic, cause you left it at the door, isn't with you on this one. 4000 is greater than 900. Now, feel free to challenge that.So, comparing the numbers in a snapshot of the flu and covid-19 is obviously painfully stupid. There is a reason the global scientific community is taking this more seriously than the flu. If anyone hear is scratching their heads wondering why that is (scroll up for a demonstration), or wondering why a bunch of uneducated slobs can't just intuitively figure this out for themselves (same, scroll up), I suggest you do what rational, functioning adults do and go read up.
First, deaths from Flu, cancer, and heart disease may vary from year to year but averaged over a 10 year period, death rates are pretty stable. The deaths from Covid 19 is doubling approximately every 6 days. At that rate, the 21,000 current deaths would increase in just 90 days to surpass that of the Flu, heart disease, and cancer.
Secondly, compared to the Flu or other diseases I mention, we know practically nothing about Covid 19. We don't know if people will recover with long term immunity, or whether they will have serious complications. We don't know if or when a vaccine or effective antivirals will become available. Finally, just about everything we think we know about transmission has not verified.
Ignoring the rapid increase in the number of cases and deaths and believing the cornavirus is not worth fighting simply because the death rate has not reached that of other diseases is downright stupid.
So we default to what we are now which is not sustainable.
There are other options besides this and ignorning it.
However, if we throw the towel in and abandon the current restrictions, the cases will increase at a faster rate, hospitals will be overloaded, and any economic recovery will be short lived. In short, we finish what we have started.
Stop with the abandon and throw in the towel horseshit.
I am going to ask you because other left wingers won't answer. Do you believe someone can hold a church service, take precautions (a whole list of them) and still prevent the spread of the disease ?
Can I go to my office (take all kinds of precautions) and still prevent the spread of the diesease ?
It is a simple question.
You and I don't know anything. If the protocols are in place, then it should be doable.
There is no "isolation or nothing". There is plenty of inbetween.
If others are protected, how will someone spread it to them ?
Case 31 wasn't aware of her situation.
I unwilling to admit we can't do this.
And BTW: We still have people going to WalMart...picking up fast food, and doing other things that could still get them sick.
A). You don't know how long Covid death cases will keep increasing.The deaths from Covid 19 is doubling approximately every 6 days. At that rate, the 21,000 current deaths would increase in just 90 days to surpass that of the Flu, heart disease, and cancer.
Axios has compiled a timeline of the earliest weeks of the coronavirus outbreak in China, highlighting when the cover-up started and ended — and showing how, during that time, the virus already started spreading around the world, including to the United States.
Why it matters: A study published in March indicated that if Chinese authorities had acted three weeks earlier than they did, the number of coronavirus cases could have been reduced by 95% and its geographic spread limited.
This timeline, compiled from information reported by the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, the South China Morning Post and other sources, shows that China's cover-up and the delay in serious measures to contain the virus lasted about three weeks.
i think the plan in the US is to open parts of the country where the virus isn't very high ..NY California and Washington State may have a few more weeks to go ! i think we are going to be ok .A). You don't know how long Covid death cases will keep increasing.The deaths from Covid 19 is doubling approximately every 6 days. At that rate, the 21,000 current deaths would increase in just 90 days to surpass that of the Flu, heart disease, and cancer.
B). If that many die from Covid, there will be fewer left over to die from the other causes, because chances are good most of them had other things as well.
C). Shut down the world long enough and we will all be dying, our economy will be dead, and we'll wish we had Covid instead of the smoldering ruin we will have left the living.
No we don't know how long Covid 19 cases will keep increasing but we do know shutting down non-essential activities reduces the numbers of new and that was the goal so we could give the medical community time to prepare for larger number of cases when when restrictions are reduced. I don't remember anyone saying the goal of the restrictions was to reduce new cases to zero. We're just trying reduce the increase in new cases. Covid 19 will be around for a long time. It has a strong foothold in the country and we have long passed the point of being able to eliminate it but with development of antivirals, vaccines, and better methods of treatment we should be able to live with it just like we live with the flu.A). You don't know how long Covid death cases will keep increasing.The deaths from Covid 19 is doubling approximately every 6 days. At that rate, the 21,000 current deaths would increase in just 90 days to surpass that of the Flu, heart disease, and cancer.
B). If that many die from Covid, there will be fewer left over to die from the other causes, because chances are good most of them had other things as well.
C). Shut down the world long enough and we will all be dying, our economy will be dead, and we'll wish we had Covid instead of the smoldering ruin we will have left the living.
www.statista.com
As of end of day Eastern Time United States March 25, 2020:As of end of day Eastern Time United States March 24, 2020:
Infection Totals by Country:
1. China - 81,218
2. Italy - 69,176
3. United States - 54,916
4. Spain - 42,058
5. Germany - 32,991
6. France - 22,304
7. Japan - 1,193
Infection Totals by U.S. State:
1. New York - 26,348
2. New Jersey - 3,675
3. California - 2,617
4. Washington - 2,469
5. Florida - 1,467
6. Pennsylvania - 851
7. West Virginia - 20
As of end of day Eastern Time United States March 24, 2020:
Infection Totals by Country:
1. China - 81,218
2. Italy - 69,176
3. United States - 54,916
4. Spain - 42,058
5. Germany - 32,991
6. France - 22,304
7. Japan - 1,193
Infection Totals by U.S. State:
1. New York - 26,348
2. New Jersey - 3,675
3. California - 2,617
4. Washington - 2,469
5. Florida - 1,467
6. Pennsylvania - 851
7. West Virginia - 20
Infection Totals by U.S. State:
1. New York - 26,348
2. New Jersey - 3,675
3. California - 2,617
4. Washington - 2,469
5. Florida - 1,467
6. Pennsylvania - 851
7. West Virginia - 20
If it will be around for a long time, then we haven't done enough to isolate person to person contact. And just who gets to decide what are "non-essential activities?" I can buy cakes and pies, are they essential? I can't reach my Social Security office or my utility, they aren't essential? I can buy a gun and ammo but I can't buy a bottle of whiskey? Many people need alcohol for stress and relaxation or to help with insomnia to sleep, particularly important now. All the worse as such services could have been easily converted to phone orders with CC only and pick up at the door making chance of contact all but nil.No we don't know how long Covid 19 cases will keep increasing but we do know shutting down non-essential activities reduces the numbers of new and that was the goal so we could give the medical community time to prepare for larger number of cases when when restrictions are reduced. I don't remember anyone saying the goal of the restrictions was to reduce new cases to zero. We're just trying reduce the increase in new cases. Covid 19 will be around for a long time. It has a strong foothold in the country and we have long passed the point of being able to eliminate it but with development of antivirals, vaccines, and better methods of treatment we should be able to live with it just like we live with the flu.A). You don't know how long Covid death cases will keep increasing.The deaths from Covid 19 is doubling approximately every 6 days. At that rate, the 21,000 current deaths would increase in just 90 days to surpass that of the Flu, heart disease, and cancer.
B). If that many die from Covid, there will be fewer left over to die from the other causes, because chances are good most of them had other things as well.
C). Shut down the world long enough and we will all be dying, our economy will be dead, and we'll wish we had Covid instead of the smoldering ruin we will have left the living.
You really think it would take 3-6 years to translate medical protocols from German into English?We could but the time factor would probably be the sameWhy not just use the protocols that other nations like Germany have long had already? Why reinvent the wheel?Under normal times, 3 to 6 years but these are not normal times.
Depends on how they package the thing.Do you think they would resist to accept Spanish as their official language?But I am part of that, at least until we bribe Mexico to take Calipornia back.
