Of Kings and Prophets

[Blackrook]

In this episode they deal with the prophet Samuel's insistence that Saul attack a rather helpless tribe and slaughter every man, woman, and child. Saul spares the king (to bring him back as a trophy), and loses God's blessing.

This is probably one of the most controversial parts of the Bible, God's insistence that the Hebrews engage in genocide.

Many have lost faith, especially Jews, because of these Bible stories that depict God as cruel and unforgiving.

Christians have the Gospels to fall back on, a depiction of God as a loving, merciful God who forgives sinners and condemns hypocrites.

 

[TheOldSchool]

God, if he exists, probably doesn't care if people think of him as cruel and unforgiving or as loving and merciful.

 

[Gracie]

The God I believe in is kind and loving. And....someone wrote whatever he thinks God said or did. Man is not perfect. Only one was. Jesus.
Which is why I don't put much stock in the Bible.

 

[HaShev]

quote:
>>>Man is not perfect. Only one was. Jesus.

Then you are admiting Jesus is that image made perfect who fell to the pit by the hands of the seas(Rome) aka
Son of perdition (Lucifer).-Ezekiel 28
FACT:the only prophet ever called
anointed (christ)
cherub-guardian(Nazarene) called perfect is your compiled image Jesus therefore 0nly Jesus can be deemed Lucifer.
That and the whole coming first thing is pretty obvious unless you don't understand simple sequences.

 

[Blackrook]

Christians don't have the option of rejecting the Bible, even the gruesome stories from the Old Testament. But there is a hint that the Jews might have got a few things wrong.

Jesus told the Jews that Moses was wrong to allow divorce. Matthew 19:8

And when the Pharisees presented Jesus with the Old Testament way of dealing with adulterers, Jesus forgave the woman instead of condemning her. John 8:3-11.

 

[HaShev]

Maybe because Rome was selling the character born from the Harlot Mary not the
other christs used for his image.
In fact The NT states in Matt Joseph was affraid for Mary and divorced her privately over her affair with Roman Soldier Pantheras.
SO OF COURSE THEY WILL PLAY THAT ANGLE and making the harlot immaculate is another angle and the deceived were none the wiser.

 

[Blackrook]

Maybe because Rome was selling the character born from the Harlot Mary not the
other christs used for his image.
In fact The NT states in Matt Joseph was affraid for Mary and divorced her privately over her affair with Roman Soldier Pantheras.
SO OF COURSE THEY WILL PLAY THAT ANGLE and making the harlot immaculate is another angle and the deceived were none the wiser.

HaShev, go fuck yourself.

 

[HaShev]

First of all your language says it all.
sources;
Matthew 1:19

1) When compiling & forging the Jesus character Rome used all the Harlots of the Bible for Jesus' lineage.
One of those Harlots was The lady Rahab who helped Joshua and she was not Jewish. Yet when they plagiarized the OT to create Jesus lineage by mentioning all the famous woman in the Bible they accidentally or spitefully placed Jesus in the lineage of all the Harlots including this Rahab who was a non Jew.
-oops! It's one of a few reasons why the RCC is called the Harlot Church.
There were many christs and they were used for the image called Jesus.
2) the Character Rome the Harlot church favored was "the half Roman" son of the Harlot Mary of 100bc. She had Yeshu after a fling with Roman Soldier Pantheras (Panderas) which is why Matthew said Joseph had a mind to divorce her quietly.
He did not want her to be stoned. In this sin she was thus called Stada (stray) for straying from her husband. Yeshu was thus called Yeshu ben Stada. And Deut says a bastard child is not allowed in the Temple which meant the church had to hide this fact.

His mentor was a recorded in history Rabbi Yohoshua ben Perachya who took Yeshu with him to Egypt when fleeing the Jannaeus revolt, which is how we date him in the 100bc era where the widows mite coin comes from (& is in the NT accts).
When he returned, he brought back forbidden maggis and Egyptian underworld beliefs in which case his beliefs and teachings were Luciferous in nature and no longer Jewish.
This is why Yeshu ben Stada was sentenced by stoning and hanging on Passover. So rare to see a sentencing on a holiday that this has to be the same fallen figure used for portions of the Jesus story. However this is not the Galilean(died 6bc) talking about taxes in the time of Herod(died 4bc) and Lysanias(35bc), nor the Jordan river A.D. era christ who's apostles were Martyrs. Neither was it the cross bearer as the NT says Jesus was slew & hanged yet also crucified, this occurs when mixing and compiling figures both hanged and crucified.
All of this can be researched, but people are usually to proud and lazy.
Some sources besides obvious dating of figures contradicting the NT story.

Sources yeshu
following excerpt is from the book:"Will the Real Jesus Please Stand Up?"by John Blanchard
The mother of Hyrcanus, Salomè, in spite of her being called by another name, showed favour to Jehoshua and his teaching; that she was a witness of his wonderful works and powers of healing, and tried to save him from the hands of his sacerdotal enemies, because he was related to her;
John was son of Hyrcanus and was despised by the Pharisee, notice this means there is proof of they do connect.

Sources for the history of (Yeshu) Jesus: philosopher Celsus (178 CE) Christian writer Epiphanius (c.320-403 CE), the Christian apologist Origen (c.185-254 CE) Within the Talmud Shabbos 104, the gemara explicitly discusses the mother being Stada and the father being Pandera. Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d)and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, and (Sanhedrin 43a & 67a). This story is further expanded upon in the Tosefta and Baraitas.
2 accounts:
-Dr. Franz Hartman -
& Gerald Massey's Lectures Originally published in a private edition c. 1900


According to the Babylonian Gemara to the Mishna of Tract "Shabbath," this Jehoshua, the son of Pandira and Stada, was stoned to death as a wizard, in the city of Lud, or Lydda,

Jesus ben Stada (or Pandera) was placedin the time period of about 90 B.C. in Lydda, a town Peter is said tohave visited in ACTS.interestingly the early church father Epiphanius around 400 said Pandera was the grandfather of Jesus.

Yehuda of Galilee and Theudas by the Jordan is in Josephus books and book of Acts, but the NT suspiciously twists & mistakens the sequence of their existance and death to throw people off the historical truth.

 

[Gracie]

quote:
>>>Man is not perfect. Only one was. Jesus.

Then you are admiting Jesus is that image made perfect who fell to the pit by the hands of the seas(Rome) aka
Son of perdition (Lucifer).-Ezekiel 28
FACT:the only prophet ever called
anointed (christ)
cherub-guardian(Nazarene) called perfect is your compiled image Jesus therefore 0nly Jesus can be deemed Lucifer.
That and the whole coming first thing is pretty obvious unless you don't understand simple sequences.

I don't know about any of that. I go by faith. Not some book.

 

[HaShev]

And that right there is why you worship Lucifer without knowing you fell for the deception & with the deceivers.

 

[hobelim]

Christians don't have the option of rejecting the Bible, even the gruesome stories from the Old Testament. But there is a hint that the Jews might have got a few things wrong.

Jesus told the Jews that Moses was wrong to allow divorce. Matthew 19:8

And when the Pharisees presented Jesus with the Old Testament way of dealing with adulterers, Jesus forgave the woman instead of condemning her. John 8:3-11.

Jesus didn't say that Moses was wrong he said that Moses made that provision because their minds were closed.

And when Jesus refused to stone the woman for adultery he was not saying that the law was wrong, he was saying that their teaching and belief that the subject of law was about sex outside of marriage was perverse.


And when he said that he who is without sin cast the first stone they all walked away not because they were guilty of just any sin but because they were guilty of violating the deeper implications of the exact same law and guilty of the exact same sin that they wanted to stone the woman for according to his revelation about figurative nature of the words used in the law..If they had condemned the woman they would have condemned themselves hence forgiveness and repentance the only rational course to take if they ever hoped to be forgiven and accepted by God.,.


Jesus taught that every detail of the law would always be in full force. What he taught was wrong was what he called the traditions of men, what became the Talmud, detailed instructions about how to comply with the literal letter of the law. The exact same perverse theocratic tyranny that HaShev wants to impose on the Jewish people again and preside over as high priest as if he was the closest living being next to God, the Moshiach himself and an angel of light.

Jesus taught that the words of the law were figurative in nature and the subjects hidden as revealed by his giving the command to eat his flesh, a direct reference to the hidden subject and true purpose of Kosher law.


" The kingdom of Heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, buried it again".... Mathew 13:44

 

[HaShev]

Your Mathew quote is saying your kingdom is in the pit,hades. I rest my case.
Our Kingdom is in this world to come when complete and whole (Shalem), that progression to be that you keep mucking up with your rejection of the creation for your fantasyland in hades(death).

Source of Death Worship
Jesus as the angel of death (power of the
devil according to book of Rev) and gate keeper to death:
Example of what they taught:
Death worship:
Colossians 2:12] and you were
buried with him in baptism Romans 6:4 We
were buried therefore with him by baptism
into death in John 18:33-37 :his kingdom is
not of the earth..
The mystery is you've been worshiping death and the gate keeper of death.
John 10 :9 {Jesus speaking} I am the
gate; whoever enters through me will be
saved. But his kingdom was not of this earth
it was in death so he claims to be the gate
keeper of Hades. Thus the whole world is
deceived.
Rev 9:1 the fallen star was given
the key to the shaft of the Abyss. remember
Jesus is the one admitting to having this
Key to the abyss in Revelation 1:18 He’s
also always saying salvation is in death and
we see his proud proclaimation of being the
gate keeper of death: -Apocryphon of
James- "become seekers for death, like the
dead who seek for life; for that which they
seek is revealed to them. And what is there
to trouble them? As for you, when you
examine death it will teach you election.
Verily I say unto you, none of those who fear
death will be saved; for the kingdom of
death belongs to those who put themselves
to death!" Rev 9:2 When he opened the
Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke
from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky
were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.
Luke 23:44-45 and there was a darkness
over all the earth until the ninth hour. And
the sun was darkened.Act’s 2:27 and 1 peter
3:19 he descended to hell means he opened
the abyss. this is when it darkened at his
opening of the abyss. G0D darkens the
heavens as he snuffs out his enemy,like in
Ezekiel 32:7-8.
Revelations 6:7 When the Lamb opened the
fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth
living creature say, "Come!" 8I looked, and
there before me was a pale horse! Its rider
was named Death, and Hades was following
close behind him. They were given power
over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword,
famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of
the earth.
He knew in dying he would draw people to
himself rather then to G-d the dying god
mythology was thus imitated where the son
(the morning star) surpasses his father Baal.
He wanted to raise himself high into the
heavens above the throne of G-d: Isaiah
14:12 the Morning Star Heb Helel; i.e.
shining one Is 34:4; Luke 10:18; Rev 8:10;
9:1 2 Pet 1:19; Rev 2:28; 22:16 . [See here
etymology of "Lucifer": "[ the morning star, a
fallen rebel archangel, THE Devil, fr. OE. fr.
Latin, the morning star, fr. Lucifer light-
bearing, fr. luc light + -fer -ferous--more at
LIGHT]" (Webster's, p.677) I Jesus am the
bright morning star (Lucifer) Rev 22:16
Isaiah 14:13-15 You said in your heart, "I
will ascend to heaven, above the stars of
God, and will set my throne on High... I will
ascend above the heights of the Clouds, I
will be as the Most High." Yet you will be
brought down to the grave, to the sides of
the pit! We noted that Jesus was indeed
brought down to the pit (the grave) by the
hands of his enemies for declaring himself
God as per Ezekiel 28:6 prophecy as per
accounts in Acts 2:27 and 1 Peter 3:19, he
claimed to be the most high, and holy king
(John 8:57, 10:25-36, Psalm 82:1-8). *Note
stars means angels, clouds means temple
priests (hosts in gethering were called
clouds)
In John 6:66 they stoped following Jesus
when he claimed himself most high like in
Isaiah 14.
Romans 6:4 We were buried therefore with
him by baptism into death, so that as Christ
was raised from the dead by the glory of the
Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
: Colossians 2:11-12 [11] In him also you
were circumcised with a circumcision made
without hands, by putting off the body of
flesh in the circumcision of Christ; :
[Colossians 2:12] and you were buried with
him in baptism Romans 6:4 We were buried
therefore with him by baptism into death
There is no man(that includes Hades /Osiris/
Jesus all deemed kings of the underworld)
over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither
hath he that hath power in the day of death;
and there is no discharge in that war; neither
shall the wicked deliver those that are given
to it. They had as king over them the angel
of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is
Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon. *Abaddon
and Apollyon mean Destroyer.
(Luke 9:27): "But I tell you truly, there are
some standing here who shall not taste
death till they see the Kingdom of God." Two
ways of seeing this; 1)either he was a false
prophet because they never saw the kingdom
before they died. 2)it proves his god was
"devil"=death=opposite of having "lived".
Because they will not taste death until they
see his god=of death Interesting eh?
Apocryphon of James".... become seekers for
death, like the dead who seek for life; for
that which they seek is revealed to them.
And what is there to trouble them? As for
you, when you examine death it will teach
you election. Verily I say unto you, none of
those who fear death will be saved; for the
kingdom of death belongs to those who put
themselves to death!"
Thus Jesus is the curse in chosing Death according to:
Deuteronomy\Devarim: 30:19 I call heaven
and earth to witness against you this
day,That I have set before you life and
death, the blessing and the curse;Therefore
choose life, that you may live, you and your
children. The Church teaches the curse when
they say:"solution for mankind's dilemma
lies in suffering, and through the portals of
death" "Suffering Is Also God's
Gift” - Pope John Paul II Angelus, October
13, 1996, Gemelli Hospital.
So once again why do people chose the Curse?
Galatians even says cursed is anyman
placed upon the tree. And states cursed
were the followers with him.

 

[shimon]

You know since it was Rome ( Satan or the adversary) that penned or wrote and created Jesus(the logos or word) it makes complete sense that they would state that their creation their Jesus would rise higher then the clouds( the hebrew priests) by creating their own false ones and removing the jewish temple and substituting ther own in true Roman fashion which is to crush and I rample and subdue and then to swallow and regurgitate things on their own terms... In this way it actually makes sense why they would have a tantrum at the same temple over the money changers because wink wink the romans were upset because they were not getting a piece of this action..so they created their own system to get in on it..... Capheche.....

 

[HaShev]

Might be a huge reason why the
evangelicals and RCC despise each other so much. Each trying to hone in on the majority share of the Jesus (baal harvest scam).
Pope Leo X, privy to the truth because of his high rank, made this curious declaration, "What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!"

 

[Indeependent]

In this episode they deal with the prophet Samuel's insistence that Saul attack a rather helpless tribe and slaughter every man, woman, and child. Saul spares the king (to bring him back as a trophy), and loses God's blessing.

This is probably one of the most controversial parts of the Bible, God's insistence that the Hebrews engage in genocide.

Many have lost faith, especially Jews, because of these Bible stories that depict God as cruel and unforgiving.

Christians have the Gospels to fall back on, a depiction of God as a loving, merciful God who forgives sinners and condemns hypocrites.

In what episode...I noticed you conveniently omitted any reference to Chapter and Verse.
When you do and we review the context we will discover that this supposed "helpless tribe" in NOT a helpless tribe.
I think I know what you are referring to but I'll wait for you to be explicit.

 

[Steven_R]

In this episode they deal with the prophet Samuel's insistence that Saul attack a rather helpless tribe and slaughter every man, woman, and child. Saul spares the king (to bring him back as a trophy), and loses God's blessing.

This is probably one of the most controversial parts of the Bible, God's insistence that the Hebrews engage in genocide.

Many have lost faith, especially Jews, because of these Bible stories that depict God as cruel and unforgiving.

Christians have the Gospels to fall back on, a depiction of God as a loving, merciful God who forgives sinners and condemns hypocrites.

Genocide sucks when you're the ones getting stuffed in ovens or stabbed to death. But it's totally cool when you're the ones doing the stuffing and stabbing because God told you to go over that hill, kill the shit out of your neighbors, and take all their stuff. And if God said to do it, well then it's a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

Religion.

Also, "Of Kings and Prophets" would have been an awesome title for a Rush album.

 

[hobelim]

Your Mathew quote is saying your kingdom is in the pit,hades. I rest my case.
Our Kingdom is in this world to come when complete and whole (Shalem), that progression to be that you keep mucking up with your rejection of the creation for your fantasyland in hades(death).

" The kingdom of heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it, buried it again." Matthew 13:44


The Mathew quote is a reference to Isaiah which shows that there is treasure hidden by God of which you know nothing.


I will give you treasures from dark vaults, hoarded in secret places, that you may know that I am the Lord, the God of Israel who summons you by name. Isaiah 45:3

You have heard what I said; consider it well, and you must admit the truth of it. Now I show you new things, hidden things which you did not know before. Isaiah 48:6

"Time was when many were aghast at you, my people, so now many nations recoil at sight of him, and kings curl their lips in disgust. For they see what they had never been told and things unheard before fill their thoughts." Isaiah 52:14,15