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Obama's Best Hope: A GOP Congress ? Don't Think So (A rebuttal)

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Obama's Best Hope: A GOP Congress ? Don't Think So (A rebuttal)

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Obama's Best Hope: A GOP Congress <Real Clear Politics (Rich Lowry)

The undertakers of Bill Clinton's political doom showed up in Little Rock, Ark., in 1992 for a meeting with the president-elect two months before his inauguration. They were the leaders of the Democratic Congress, and they might as well have been draped in black crepe.

"You can trust us," House Speaker Tom Foley told Clinton, in an assurance as false as it was sincere. "We all want to make this administration succeed."

Two years later, Clinton stood among smoldering political ruins. Democrats had lost both houses of Congress. A Republican upstart had defeated Tom Foley. In trusting the Democratic leadership in Congress, Clinton had nearly destroyed his presidency.

He learned a bitter lesson in the perils of trying to govern a center-right country in league with a left-wing Congress. It's not an accident that the most sustained period of political success for any of the last three Democratic presidents, outside of their initial honeymoons, came after Clinton lost Congress. Only then was he forced to govern from the center.

If Pres. Barack Obama is ever going to regain the ground he's lost as a bipartisan healer determined to transcend ideological divisions, he'll need to have Speaker Nancy Pelosi or Majority Leader Harry Reid or both shunted back to the minority. For Obama, a Republican Congress could be a counterintuitive political boon.

Recent history suggests that there are two broad options for a Democratic president yoked to a Democratic Congress. He can, like Clinton and Obama, get along with Congress and ineluctably get pulled to the left of the electorate. Or he can, like Jimmy Carter, keep his distance and his relative moderation, and suffer an acrimonious relationship that brands him as ineffectual.

In theory, it should be possible to escape this double bind. But Democrats with control of both the executive and the legislative branches have an irresistible FDR complex. They consider it their duty to establish vast new programmatic edifices, or die in the trying. Truer to his moderate-sounding election campaign than Clinton or Obama, Carter resisted this urge - and got a primary challenge from Ted Kennedy

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And then Mr. Lowry ends with this:

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A Republican Congress would give him a handy foil and force him, right in time for his reelection campaign, into strategic bipartisanship. The Republican takeover in 1994 seemed the end for Bill Clinton. Long after Tom Foley had been forgotten, though, Clinton signed major bipartisan welfare-reform and deficit-reduction bills, while making incremental steps on health care that were popular and sustainable.

Obama probably doesn't consider a Republican Congress in his interest. But with all he's done to bring one about, who knows?

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To the Emboldened part? Obama is about to UNDO all of that...SEE THIS ... How about that Stimulus? All I see is more dependence and WASTE courtesy of Obama.

What we see now are an entirely different set of circumstances under Obama, in present day.

As to Mr. Lowry?

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I understand where Mr. lowry is going with this. But in my view? Obama is too head strong, his past associations are rooted in his actions of his first year in Office which were never investigated. It was "Anybody But Bush"...and the demonization of Bush by the Democrats for the majority of Bushs' two terms. Guess the window dressing was too strong for some to resist. They bargained for 'Change' but found out there were more hidden costs one biggie was their Liberty which they see they will lose with this man's ensconced Idealism.

Obama thought this was a green light to inflict his Socialist/Marxist beliefs on the nation and 'Rebuild' this Republic in that image. See " Stark Contrast: The Reagan / Obama Debate. " Even Clinton didn't have the arrogance displayed by this president. Clinton didn't take over two major auto companies, dictate to banks, try to dictate what CEO's could be paid, and have all the 'Czars' that this president has either.

And yes Healthcare was a giant topic in the Clinton administration and was defeated. The people are speaking even louder of the subject now, but Obama presses on in ignorance as well as the Congress. But this in my view is larger than just whom holds the seats in the Congress as to a sitting Potus' chances of re-election. May have been in the past. It doesn't apply any longer. Healthcare is ONE small part of the puzzle being put together by the people, and the picture emerging is one they recoil from.

Jobs, Deficits...mortgaging the futures of our children, grand-children for the Socialist ideals of just 20% of the population is a larger issue here. The people have gotten a taste of it and have spit it out. And the feigned, failed 'Bipartisanship' we were treated to a few weeks back in the guise of a 'Healthcare Summit' was a clear indicator that he isn't ready, NOR will ever be ready for 'Bipartisanship' Republicans came armed with the Bill in front of them to discuss...and Obama called them 'PROPS'. Bipartisanship went out the window with that display.

He had chided the Tea Party Movement and others like it, talked down to us. Even Clinton didn't do that nor did Jimmy Carter. Again? Neither tried what Obama has so far succeeded in doing. This is larger than politics as usual. He has already shown us his hand. A 'Simple Slide' against his demonstrted Marxist principles we don't buy. He is too ensconced in his own history, his own associations to be belivable, or changable.

Sorry Mr. Lowry. Your view is 'Politics' as usual. The people are sick of it, and I don't think Obama has a chance for term #2 no matter what happens in the Legislature. I think it more to the tune of Democrats losing power for several generations to come. Even the GOP is feeling the heat. The Conservative Revolution has come calling and I think it is stronger than even you realize. This isn't Party Politics any longer, this is the survival of a once proud, and Respected Republic making a resurgence at the insistance of The People.

We are tired of being bought and sold for Partisan Games at our expense.
 

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Clinton liked to 'triangulate' to the center.

Barry likes to tell people what he wants.

It won't end well for Barry as it did for Bill.
 
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Clinton liked to 'triangulate' to the center.

Barry likes to tell people what he wants.

It won't end well for Barry as it did for Bill.

That is indeed the crux. People hate to be told what to do. Thus the tea parties, and similiar movements by the people. This scenario that Mr. Lowry presents is a non-starter. The conditions aren't as they were with Clinton's first term, FAR from it. Barry has yet to learn the word 'NO'. He throws a fit every time he is challanged.
 
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It might not be good for Obama but it could be good for the nation. Checks & Balances are incredibly important. This President and the Democrats haven't had any Checks & Balances for a long time. That's been a real disaster for our nation. Clinton didn't and wouldn't have balanced the budget without a tenacious GOP Congress forcing his hand. This could be the case this time around as well. I guess we'll see though. Make 2010 count people.
 

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Clinton liked to 'triangulate' to the center.

Barry likes to tell people what he wants.

It won't end well for Barry as it did for Bill.

Clinton was relected you fool and had the best economic results in decades.
Keep rewriting that history at your own peril.
 

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one biggie was their Liberty which they see they will lose with this man's ensconced Idealism.


Huh? What are you smoking?
 

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Clinton liked to 'triangulate' to the center.

Barry likes to tell people what he wants.

It won't end well for Barry as it did for Bill.

Clinton was relected you fool and had the best economic results in decades.
Keep rewriting that history at your own peril.
I think Xeno means that the health care battle will have the "Clinton ending."

And Clinton was re-elected because he toned it down, not because he went further.
 

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And that left thge mess until now.

The republicans what the mess left until twice as many Americans die from lack of care.
 

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Clinton liked to 'triangulate' to the center.

Barry likes to tell people what he wants.

It won't end well for Barry as it did for Bill.

Clinton was relected you fool and had the best economic results in decades.
Keep rewriting that history at your own peril.


Yes he was re-elected. The Reps played a big part in that because it was they who balanced the budget. That little list of 10 promises they made had a lot to do with it as well.

Clinton couldn't work with his Dem Congress. They were busy teling him that if he did what they wanted he would be okay.

Well he didn't go for it and was smart enough to go to the center and work with the Reps. Thats just what he did with great success.

Barry boy is an ideologue and I don't know if he would work with a Rep congress.

Cllinton was a whole lot smarter.
 

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Clinton liked to 'triangulate' to the center.

Barry likes to tell people what he wants.

It won't end well for Barry as it did for Bill.

Clinton was relected you fool and had the best economic results in decades.
Keep rewriting that history at your own peril.

Thanks to a GOP congress.

Fast forward to 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and the liberal congress is not having quite the same results.
 

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Clinton had the benefit of a real Conservative Congress, the only one in my lifetime
 

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Clinton liked to 'triangulate' to the center.

Barry likes to tell people what he wants.

It won't end well for Barry as it did for Bill.

Clinton was relected you fool and had the best economic results in decades.
Keep rewriting that history at your own peril.


Yes he was re-elected. The Reps played a big part in that because it was they who balanced the budget. That little list of 10 promises they made had a lot to do with it as well.

Clinton couldn't work with his Dem Congress. They were busy teling him that if he did what they wanted he would be okay.

Well he didn't go for it and was smart enough to go to the center and work with the Reps. Thats just what he did with great success.

Barry boy is an ideologue and I don't know if he would work with a Rep congress.

Cllinton was a whole lot smarter.

Right about now, the GOP needs to boot out the libs this year.

Gridlock is preferable to what we have now.
 

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Barack Obama is no Bill Clinton. Bill had 12 years of executive experience to draw on... and he's smarter, wilier, more self-confident.

I have to disagree with Lowery that even a Republican Congress can save Barry. He's done waaaayyy too much damage already, and he doesn't have a bipartisan bone in his body. Hell, he can't even say the word "Republican" without a little moue of disgust. :rolleyes:

He lacks Bill's pragmatism and understanding of how people really tick. Barry doesn't know anybody who's not an egghead or a sad-sack. That's all he knows. He's a hopeless ideologue who's out-of-step with the realities of the world.
 

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When Obama loses Congress in 2010 he's going to quit the Presidency and run for King of the World.
 

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Clinton liked to 'triangulate' to the center.

Barry likes to tell people what he wants.

It won't end well for Barry as it did for Bill.

Clinton was relected you fool and had the best economic results in decades.
Keep rewriting that history at your own peril.

He was re-elected precisely because the economy was good. The economy was good precisely because he worked with Newt and got a balanced budget.
Fail.
 

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Clinton liked to 'triangulate' to the center.

Barry likes to tell people what he wants.

It won't end well for Barry as it did for Bill.

Clinton was relected you fool and had the best economic results in decades.
Keep rewriting that history at your own peril.

He was re-elected precisely because the economy was good. The economy was good precisely because he worked with Newt and got a balanced budget.
Fail.

Slick Willie was a hell of a lot smarter than Barry boy is and he did have way more experience. He ran a state not a Community Organization.

He wouldn't bend over for the Dems that controlled Congress till 94.

He was successfull because he could and did work with the Reps and the economy was very good as a result. Result for Bill was re-election.

Barry Boy is too much of an ideologue to work with anyone who doesn't thinik like he does.

I could be mistaken but don't really think so.
 
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Clinton liked to 'triangulate' to the center.

Barry likes to tell people what he wants.

It won't end well for Barry as it did for Bill.

Clinton was relected you fool and had the best economic results in decades.
Keep rewriting that history at your own peril.

Imbecile.

I never knocked Clinton, and if anyone here is a fool, its you.

I advise you to not persoanlly attack me out of the blue again, especailly when you don't know what the fuck you are talking about (which is your modus operendi), I never do that, and if you do so again, next time I will neg your sorry ass.

Understand?
 

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