Obama not Constitutionally eligible to be President

[Gaar]

Libertarian Gail Lightfoot’s lawsuit against Obama eligibility granted conference by US Supreme Court

Chief Justice John Roberts has sent a full-throated challenge of Barack Obama’s presidential eligibility to conference: Lightfoot v. Bowen (SCOTUS docket page). Investigating Obama (I.O.) interviewed Lightfoot lead attorney Orly Taitz at 2:20pm CT today, minutes after she learned of this move.

Taitz believes, “This is Chief Justice Roberts telling the Congress… the other eight Justices, that there is a problem with this election.”

The Lightfoot case has legal standing, due to litigant, Libertarian Gail Lightfoot’s vice presidential candidacy in California. It also addresses two major issues of legal merit: 1. Obama’s failure to provide legally evidentiary documentation of citizenship and American birth and, 2. his United Kingdom citizenship at birth, passed to him by his Kenyan father when that nation was a British colony. (Other current challenges also submit that Obama’s apparent status as an Indonesian citizen, as a child, would have caused his American citizenship to be revoked.) This case is therefore considered the strongest yet to be heard by the Supreme Court.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Once again Hawaii CERTIFIED he was born there and has a legal Birth Certificate from that STATE. Children can have dual citizenship until majority age. It does not effect their US citizenship.

This case will be thrown out like all the rest.

 

[roomy]

I fucking well knew you were going to do this and I don't even know you.

 

[Gaar]

I fucking well knew you were going to do this and I don't even know you.

You said: "you seem to be projecting beyond the remit of reasonability now"

And I was just proving I was not...

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2...-the-law-of-nations-john-jay-berg-donofrio-k/

Natural Born Citizen
Why Barack Obama must be challenged
US Constitution
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United
States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be
eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be
eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of
thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the
United States.”

To understand the intent of the founding fathers in using the words
“natural born citizen”, to define presidential eligibility, one must
first examine any influential documents and opinions from those
involved in crafting the US Constitution. What is clear and indisputable
is the following:

A naturalized citizen is a citizen by no act of law such as naturalization.
A child born to US citizens on US soil is a natural born citizen.
The Naturalization Act of 1790 provided the following:
“the children of citizens of the United States that may
be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United
States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens”


Vattel’s “The Law of Nations”, written in 1758, was a
valuable reference guide for the founding fathers.

Ҥ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by
certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in
its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the
country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and
perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those
children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all
their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what
it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course,
that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the
right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that
of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent.
We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they
may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were
born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a
person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a
foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Justice John Jay, on
July 25, 1787, wrote the following to George Washington:

“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide
a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration
of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the commander
in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on any
but a natural born citizen.”

The Lightfoot lawsuit in CA states the obvious:

“This letter shows that the meaning of natural born citizen, is one
without allegiance to any foreign powers, not subject to any foreign
jurisdiction at birth.”

After the US Constitution was written, further
clarifications can be found

“All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign
power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the
United States.”

1866, Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised

“every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of
parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the
language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”

Rep. Bingham on Section 1992 (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

“Bingham subscribed to the same view as most everyone in Congress at the
time that in order to be born a citizen of the United States one must be
born within the allegiance of the Nation. Bingham had explained that to
be born within the allegiance of the United States the parents, or more
precisely, the father, must not owe allegiance to some other foreign
sovereignty (remember the U.S. abandoned England’s “natural allegiance”
doctrine). This of course, explains why emphasis of not owing allegiance
to anyone else was the affect of being subject to the jurisdiction of the
United States.” Read more

 

[Gaar]

Once again Hawaii CERTIFIED he was born there and has a legal Birth Certificate from that STATE. Children can have dual citizenship until majority age. It does not effect their US citizenship.

This case will be thrown out like all the rest.

It may not affect Citizenship, but it definitely affects Natural Born.

 

[del]

You said: "you seem to be projecting beyond the remit of reasonability now"

And I was just proving I was not...

Natural born citizen, Obama is not eligible, Obama birth certificate, US Constitution, Founding Fathers intent, Lawsuits, Obama Kenyan, Vattel’s The Law of Nations, John Jay, Berg, Donofrio, Keyes, Lightfoot, Obama illegal alien? « Citizen Wells

Natural Born Citizen
Why Barack Obama must be challenged
US Constitution
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United
States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be
eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be
eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of
thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the
United States.”

To understand the intent of the founding fathers in using the words
“natural born citizen”, to define presidential eligibility, one must
first examine any influential documents and opinions from those
involved in crafting the US Constitution. What is clear and indisputable
is the following:

A naturalized citizen is a citizen by no act of law such as naturalization.
A child born to US citizens on US soil is a natural born citizen.
The Naturalization Act of 1790 provided the following:
“the children of citizens of the United States that may
be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United
States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens”


Vattel’s “The Law of Nations”, written in 1758, was a
valuable reference guide for the founding fathers.

Ҥ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by
certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in
its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the
country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and
perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those
children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all
their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what
it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course,
that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the
right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that
of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent.
We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they
may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were
born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a
person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a
foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Justice John Jay, on
July 25, 1787, wrote the following to George Washington:

“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide
a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration
of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the commander
in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on any
but a natural born citizen.”

The Lightfoot lawsuit in CA states the obvious:

“This letter shows that the meaning of natural born citizen, is one
without allegiance to any foreign powers, not subject to any foreign
jurisdiction at birth.”

After the US Constitution was written, further
clarifications can be found

“All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign
power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the
United States.”

1866, Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised

“every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of
parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the
language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”

Rep. Bingham on Section 1992 (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

“Bingham subscribed to the same view as most everyone in Congress at the
time that in order to be born a citizen of the United States one must be
born within the allegiance of the Nation. Bingham had explained that to
be born within the allegiance of the United States the parents, or more
precisely, the father, must not owe allegiance to some other foreign
sovereignty (remember the U.S. abandoned England’s “natural allegiance”
doctrine). This of course, explains why emphasis of not owing allegiance
to anyone else was the affect of being subject to the jurisdiction of the
United States.” Read more

this is a long way to go for not much.

the libertarian wingnut has standing, SCOTUS will convene, and she'll have her ass handed to her politely.

thanks for bringing it up though.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I notice you ignored all the laws currently ON the books and those leading up to those laws. For one "father" is not the only one that passes citizenship. ANY American citizen passes citizenship to their children including if only one of the Parents is a US Citizen. Further the Country through the Courts have held that ANYONE born INSIDE the US is a Citizen BY Birth. Obama was born in Hawaii, a State with in the US to a US citizen MOTHER.

He meets all the requirements unless you can prove his mother was not who he claims or that after Majority age he formally accepted citizenship in another Country.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

It may not affect Citizenship, but it definitely affects Natural Born.

No it does not. He was born here of an American Citizen, making him a NATURAL BORN Citizen.

Let the Court rule otherwise and I will be in the protests that ruin this country. I do not like Obama, I think he is the wrong man to be President, BUT he LEGALLY got elected and he damn well better be confirmed.

 

[Gaar]

I notice you ignored all the laws currently ON the books and those leading up to those laws. For one "father" is not the only one that passes citizenship. ANY American citizen passes citizenship to their children including if only one of the Parents is a US Citizen. Further the Country through the Courts have held that ANYONE born INSIDE the US is a Citizen BY Birth. Obama was born in Hawaii, a State with in the US to a US citizen MOTHER.

He meets all the requirements unless you can prove his mother was not who he claims or that after Majority age he formally accepted citizenship in another Country.

Yes, that Law makes them a Citizen, even at Birth, but it does not change what Natural Born means...

No Laws can change Nature.

 

[Gaar]

No it does not. He was born here of an American Citizen, making him a NATURAL BORN Citizen.

Let the Court rule otherwise and I will be in the protests that ruin this country. I do not like Obama, I think he is the wrong man to be President, BUT he LEGALLY got elected and he damn well better be confirmed.

His Father was a Citizen of the UK, at his Birth, and that makes him a UK Citizen, at his Birth, that is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

The Constitution says Born to Citizen(s), in the plural, for a reason.

A Law can change what a Citizen is, but it cannot change what a Natural Born Citizen is, Laws cannot change Nature, our Founding Fathers knew this, and hence their use of the term, it was a very deliberate Act, and used VERY rarely.

And eligibility for the Presidency was the ONLY place they were determined it needed to be.

Imagine that.

 

[Ravi]

His Father was a Citizen of the UK, at his Birth, and that makes him a UK Citizen, at his Birth, that is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

The Constitution says Born to Citizen(s), in the plural, for a reason.

Citizens(s)...written that way it means either/or. It would simply be citizens otherwise.

FAIL!

 

[roomy]

His Father was a Citizen of the UK, at his Birth, and that makes him a UK Citizen, at his Birth, that is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

The Constitution says Born to Citizen(s), in the plural, for a reason.

A Law can change what a Citizen is, but it cannot change what a Natural Born Citizen is, Laws cannot change Nature, our Founding Fathers knew this, and hence their use of the term, it was a very deliberate Act.

You need to do some research on what constitutes citizenship.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

His Father was a Citizen of the UK, at his Birth, and that makes him a UK Citizen, at his Birth, that is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

The Constitution says Born to Citizen(s), in the plural, for a reason.

A Law can change what a Citizen is, but it cannot change what a Natural Born Citizen is, Laws cannot change Nature.

Your wrong and you will find that Court agrees you are wrong. Natural born means Born of ANY citizen of the Country and it means anyone BORN in the US.

 

[Gaar]

Citizens(s)...written that way it means either/or. It would simply be citizens otherwise.

FAIL!

No, you are wrong, you better go read it...

 

[indago]

Haven't we done this one already?

 

[Gaar]

Your wrong and you will find that Court agrees you are wrong. Natural born means Born of ANY citizen of the Country and it means anyone BORN in the US.

No it doesn't, and the SCOTUS has never had to Rule on Natural Born, until now.

All other Rulings were simply on Citizenship at Birth, that is all.

Citizenship at Birth, and Natural Born are two very different things, as I am sure many people are going to find out.

Our Founding Fathers made this quite clear.

 

[Gaar]

You need to do some research on what constitutes citizenship.

Seems you need to do some Research on what constitutes Natural Born.

Soil cannot affect Natural Born.

If 2 Citizens can have a Child Abroad, and it is Natural Born, then Soil can have nothing to do with Natural Born.

 

[Ravi]

Who pays for all these goofy suits?

 

[Againsheila]

Once again Hawaii CERTIFIED he was born there and has a legal Birth Certificate from that STATE. Children can have dual citizenship until majority age. It does not effect their US citizenship.

This case will be thrown out like all the rest.

Well, I do believe the case will be thrown out but once again, he went to Pakistan at the age of 20 on an Indonesian passport. This means that after the age of majority inf the USA he willfully gave up his American citizenship as Indonesia doesn't accept duel citizenship.

Doesn't matter,though, we are ruled by the one world order and they don't care about our constitution, to them and in GW Bush's words, it's just a G-D piece of paper.

I'm am torn in two on this matter. !) I believe he shouldn't be allowed to be president because he isn't an American citizen and 2) He is the first black to be elected to the presidency and if allowed to serve we will no longer have to listen to the blacks whine about how poorly treated they are in this world.

I guess either way, I win.

 

[Gaar]

Well, I do believe the case will be thrown out but once again, he went to Pakistan at the age of 20 on an Indonesian passport. This means that after the age of majority inf the USA he willfully gave up his American citizenship as Indonesia doesn't accept duel citizenship.

Doesn't matter,though, we are ruled by the one world order and they don't care about our constitution, to them and in GW Bush's words, it's just a G-D piece of paper.

I'm am torn in two on this matter. !) I believe he shouldn't be allowed to be president because he isn't an American citizen and 2) He is the first black to be elected to the presidency and if allowed to serve we will no longer have to listen to the blacks whine about how poorly treated they are in this world.

I guess either way, I win.

I'd rather uphold the Constitution, regardless of the consequences.