Concerned American
Diamond Member
I don't get it--I have supported your argument since the first post and you seem to be in a disagreeable mood. You argue with Surada who disagrees with your point that Biden had anything to do with the spike in gas prices and then you argue with me when I post links in support of your point. I think you are having a bad day and I'll talk to you again when you're in a better mood. Have a good one.You're cherry-picking my post. Garyville was producing 578,000 in 2020, not 200K.You are cherry picking info out of the link. You seem obsessed with this statement--"with significant downstream unit capacity" Garyville is capable of 200K bbls. What happens if that one refinery goes down. My link also disproved your statement that NO refinery has been built since the 70's when in fact, six have been built just since 2014 with a cumulative capacity of 200K bbls when built that has been increased to 265K bbls/day in 2020. What would you rather have--one refinery that can produce 200K that can be taken out with one disaster or six that can produce more that cannot be disabled so easily. Goes back to the old saying "Don't put all of your eggs in one basket." But, back to your original point in which you seem hell bent on fighting me over--It is all moot because CCP Joe IS the disaster that shut it all down and gasoline prices are skyrocketing as a result.Funny....but what do they produce? 3000 gals of gas per day?We have allowed new refineries to be built since the seventies.
The newest refineries currently operating in the United States
Year built First operated Location Original owner Original capacity b/cd Current owner 2020 Capacity b/cd 2018 2019 Channelview, Texas Targa Resources 35,000 Targa Resources 35,000 2016 2017 Corpus Christi, Texas Magellan Midstream Partners 42,500 Magellan Midstream Partners 42,500 2015 2015 Corpus Christi, Texas Buckeye Partners 46,250 Buckeye Partners 60,000 2015 2015 Houston, Texas Petromax Refining 25,000 Petromax Refining 25,000 2014 2015
Dickinson, North DakotaDakota Prairie Refining 19,000 Marathon 19,000 2014 2015 Galena Park, Texas Kinder Morgan 42,000 Kinder Morgan 84,000 1998 1998 Atmore, Alabama Goodway 4,100 Goodway 4,100 1993 1993 Valdez, Alaska Petro Star 26,300 Petro Star 55,000 1991 1992 Ely, Nevada Petro Source 7,000 Foreland 2,000 1986 1987 North Pole, Alaska Petro Star 6,700 Petro Star 19,700 1985 1986 Prudhoe Bay, Alaska ARCO 12,000 ConocoPhillips 15,000 1979 1980 Wilmington, California Huntway 5,400 Valero 6,300 1978 1979 Vicksburg, Mississippi Ergon 10,000 Ergon 26,500 1978 1979 North Slope, Alaska ARCO 13,000 BP Exploration, Alaska 6,500 1977 1978 Lake Charles, Louisiana Calcasieu 6,500 Calcasieu 128,000 1976 1977 Garyville, Louisiana Marathon 200,000 Marathon 564,000 1976 1977 Krotz Springs, Louisiana Gold King 5,000 Delek 80,000 1975 1975 Corpus Christi, Texas Saber 15,000 Valero 290,000
The last big refinery was built in 1977 in Garyville, LA. It produces 564,000 barrels fuel per day...more than all of those puny refineries produce put together.
From your link:
"However, the newest refinery with significant downstream unit capacity is Marathon's facility in Garyville, Louisiana. That facility came online in 1977 with an initial atmospheric distillation unit capacity of 200,000 b/cd, and as of January 1, 2020, it had a capacity of 578,000 b/cd."Note the comment...."with significant downstream unit capacity". So essentially.....those tiny refineries are a drop in the bucket in what is needed for producing enough gas for American consumers.....and thus are totally inconsequential to this discussion.
The information I gave you was that no refinery (that could produce anything of significance) was built in the 70s, which your reference verified.
And you also proved my point that much of our refinery capacity is isolated to only a small number of facilities.
So what exactly are you trying to prove other than that my claim was pretty much correct and that we are in a very serious state when it comes to energy production in the country.
