Obama dog: This is NOT change

[Ravi]

I just did some searching on the Vick pit bulls and sure enough, twenty some odd dogs are out in Utah at a no kill, last resort shelter, as of February. The Best Friends shelter reports that they are attempting to socialize these dogs with other dogs but it is going to be a very long time for many of them before they can be in the presence of other dogs. It has taken all this time for them to become comfortable with their trainers and still they are not allowed with strangers.

After all this intensive training, many of these dogs will not be fit for adoption.

You're full of shit.

Fuck off you ignorant son of a bitch

Of course its going to take a long time to get some of these dogs to be where they need to be. Do you have any idea what that bastard did to these innocent souls. The dogs didnt ask to be tortured & mistreated. A human did it to them. Once again ITS THE HUMANS FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How would you behave if some one treated you like that?

Just curious...how does "it's the human's fault" change the fact that some dogs are more powerfully vicious than others? It is OUR fault that we've bred dogs to be bad dogs, but that doesn't mean that bad dog breeds don't exist.

 

[Mrs. G S Patton]

This "random bitch" has been here for about 4.5 years, and is rather well known; not that it should make any difference WHO I am, while discussing dogs you have no business owning, because you're an over the top banshee sounding freakshow.

That said.. Do you have anything of value to refute my point with? No? Well, then.

Next?

People say I have a bad attitude. I say FUCK EM

I find it interesting that you have to let me know that you are "well known" Is USMB all you have? you poor thing. No wonder you feel that you have to butt in on other peoples conversations. I just when Peejay & I were coming to an understanding.

If it should make no difference who you are, than why are you telling me about it? Like it really matter to you, that I, the "top banshee sounding freakshow" should know who you think you are.

I would love to refute your point, but I dont think you clearly made one.

Umm.. Not to rain on your parade, missy, but you're on a public board having a very public discussion, and I'm "butting in" on "other peoples" conversations? You've obviously got the mental capacity of a 10 year old. Just because you're on the jungle gym, doesn't make you king of the mountain.

You asked who I was, in a rather rude manner; I told you, in a rather rude manner. Simple as that.

Now, shall we get back to the topic at hand? You were going to refute my post about pit bull owners, and the types of people they should NOT be.

Ready?

Ready when you are sweetheart. I think you will find that our views on the people who should not own them are going to be very similier

 

[Dis]

People say I have a bad attitude. I say FUCK EM

I find it interesting that you have to let me know that you are "well known" Is USMB all you have? you poor thing. No wonder you feel that you have to butt in on other peoples conversations. I just when Peejay & I were coming to an understanding.

If it should make no difference who you are, than why are you telling me about it? Like it really matter to you, that I, the "top banshee sounding freakshow" should know who you think you are.

I would love to refute your point, but I dont think you clearly made one.

Umm.. Not to rain on your parade, missy, but you're on a public board having a very public discussion, and I'm "butting in" on "other peoples" conversations? You've obviously got the mental capacity of a 10 year old. Just because you're on the jungle gym, doesn't make you king of the mountain.

You asked who I was, in a rather rude manner; I told you, in a rather rude manner. Simple as that.

Now, shall we get back to the topic at hand? You were going to refute my post about pit bull owners, and the types of people they should NOT be.

Ready?

Ready when you are sweetheart. I think you will find that our views on the people who should not own them are going to be very similier

Then perhaps you'd care to explain your totally ignorant previous commentary when being told you are exactly the type of person that should NOT own a pit bull, because you're too dramatic and over-emotional, as evidenced by your posting here?

 

[Mrs. G S Patton]

Umm.. Not to rain on your parade, missy, but you're on a public board having a very public discussion, and I'm "butting in" on "other peoples" conversations? You've obviously got the mental capacity of a 10 year old. Just because you're on the jungle gym, doesn't make you king of the mountain.

You asked who I was, in a rather rude manner; I told you, in a rather rude manner. Simple as that.

Now, shall we get back to the topic at hand? You were going to refute my post about pit bull owners, and the types of people they should NOT be.

Ready?

Ready when you are sweetheart. I think you will find that our views on the people who should not own them are going to be very similier

Then perhaps you'd care to explain your totally ignorant previous commentary when being told you are exactly the type of person that should NOT own a pit bull, because you're too dramatic and over-emotional, as evidenced by your posting here?

I guess I do get a bit emotional when it comes to innocent dogs & how people exploit them. I felt that peejay was saying that all Pit Bulls are bad & I explained to him that not all pit bulls are bad that it is usually a owner that makes a dog "bad".

 

[Dis]

Ready when you are sweetheart. I think you will find that our views on the people who should not own them are going to be very similier

Then perhaps you'd care to explain your totally ignorant previous commentary when being told you are exactly the type of person that should NOT own a pit bull, because you're too dramatic and over-emotional, as evidenced by your posting here?

I guess I do get a bit emotional when it comes to innocent dogs & how people exploit them. I felt that peejay was saying that all Pit Bulls are bad & I explained to him that not all pit bulls are bad that it is usually a owner that makes a dog "bad".

And Peejay was explaining to you exactly what pit bulls are *bred* to be like. He wasn't wrong. They are bred to be fighters and killers, and that's exactly what they are. It may be temporarily masked with other (trained) behavior, but that doesn't change simple indisputable facts. THEY ARE BRED TO BE FIGHTERS AND KILLERS. IT'S NATURAL BORN INSTINCT.

All it takes is one instance to trigger those behaviors in the dog again, no matter how well you THINK you have them trained.

 

[Mrs. G S Patton]

Sorry guys. I would to sit here & waste my time with you ignorant fools but real life is calling. Dont worry , Im not running away, I will be back. I just have more important thing to be doing right now.

ignorant bastards.

 

[Dis]

Sorry guys. I would to sit here & waste my time with you ignorant fools but real life is calling. Dont worry , Im not running away, I will be back. I just have more important thing to be doing right now.

ignorant bastards.

Before you come back, take the time to pull your head out of your ass. The lights much brighter, and things seem much clearer.

 

[strollingbones]

pits bulls are different breed from the american shattordshire terrier...one must remember the american was considered the top breed for a family dog in the 50s...pee dee on the little rascals was one....now that is a far cry from the ghetto pit bull....as a doberman owner...i see the "dangerous dog" list as a crock but i will say this..there are breeds i dont care to be around....untrained any dog is at the top of my list...but you must admit a bite by a pit is gonna do damage....no ifs ands or buts on that...

dobermans have been breed more for temperment the last 25 years....their days as the guard dog of choice are over...but they still instill fear and most of the time that is all that is needed...my doberman is 100 lbs and out of breed standards...i have friends with pits..bull mastiffs.. bull terriers etc...they are all well socialized dogs...that is the key...socialize the dog...if you isolate it from people...it will see them as intruders...

one thing i object to..people having dogs they cannot handle...at 100 lbs my doberman is hard to handle on a leash....he does not have a choke chain...i trained him using an electric collar...and before you go wild....a half ass corrected dog is a half ass trained dog... i have two kids on one side of me...so i want a well trained dog, period. i see people with dogs that could take their arms off....on the leash...
you should not be struggling with your dog when you walk it.

as for obama's choice..i dont think it was a good one. the dog will quickly outgrown the girls. a king charles spaniel would have been a nice choice...or given the kids allergies...a poodle...hey i like poodles.
or a boston terrier...you can give them kids shots...

 

[Peejay]

pits bulls are different breed from the american shattordshire terrier...one must remember the american was considered the top breed for a family dog in the 50s...pee dee on the little rascals was one....now that is a far cry from the ghetto pit bull....as a doberman owner...i see the "dangerous dog" list as a crock but i will say this..there are breeds i dont care to be around....untrained any dog is at the top of my list...but you must admit a bite by a pit is gonna do damage....no ifs ands or buts on that...

dobermans have been breed more for temperment the last 25 years....their days as the guard dog of choice are over...but they still instill fear and most of the time that is all that is needed...my doberman is 100 lbs and out of breed standards...i have friends with pits..bull mastiffs.. bull terriers etc...they are all well socialized dogs...that is the key...socialize the dog...if you isolate it from people...it will see them as intruders...

one thing i object to..people having dogs they cannot handle...at 100 lbs my doberman is hard to handle on a leash....he does not have a choke chain...i trained him using an electric collar...and before you go wild....a half ass corrected dog is a half ass trained dog... i have two kids on one side of me...so i want a well trained dog, period. i see people with dogs that could take their arms off....on the leash...
you should not be struggling with your dog when you walk it.

as for obama's choice..i dont think it was a good one. the dog will quickly outgrown the girls. a king charles spaniel would have been a nice choice...or given the kids allergies...a poodle...hey i like poodles.
or a boston terrier...you can give them kids shots...

Yeah, the Staffodshire was bred to remove some of the stigma attached to pits and they did breed for less aggressiveness. However, there are breeders that have now bred the staffordshire back into agressiveness. A guy I grew up with got into fighting these dogs. They have shows all over and the guys that are looking for a little cover for their operation use the staffordshire breed to afford that and lend a little credibilty to these shows that are nothing but trade shows for fight dogs.

I have known quite a few pit bull fanciers and it is a standard story they use about labs or golden retrievers......they bite more than pit bulls! I am sure that pomeranians do too. These bites are rarely fatal. They aren't fatal because most dogs take a bite and it's over. Chows have a bad rep for biting. They are also a "nipper". They take a nip, usually from behind in this breed, and retreat, looking for another opportunity. Not so with pit bulls. When one takes a mind to bite, he takes a mind to destroy. Boxers are similar in attack. They bite, lock and shake, inflicting terrible damage. Lord help you if you go down. Lord help you if you are a child.

I actually think pittbulls, rotties and staffordhsire's are fine breeds. They are a good dog for the right people and atmosphere. What is bullshit about these apologist is when they spout this crap about how a pitbull is no more dangerous than a lab or a golden or a beagle, because those dogs bite too. It's the wrong thing to try and tell people that if they are looking for a pet that a pitbull is just the same as any other dog. They aren't. Even when raised to be the friendliest, cuddliest dogs, and they can be, they will still kill every other living thing that comes into their prey zone. Cats, chickens, goats, you name it. And if one takes a mind to start biting people, it will continue. There are intensive trainers that can overcome this in the dog, but they are few and far. The vick dogs ended up out in Utah under many months of rehab, with highly skilled specialist. There are still dogs out there that still haven't been rehabbed after all this time. And I can guarantee that these dogs were placed with very tight regulation on the owners, the envoronment they will be in, etc.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Interesting observation.........

The Obama's have named their dog "Bo Obama".

Now..........separate the letters..............


B O O B A M A

That spells "Boob am a".

Does this mean that Obama and his family think the dog is a boob?

 

[Phate]

How the hell did thread make 10 pages over Obama's DOG?

He bought a dog. Ooooh waaaaaaah it wasn't a rescue dog. Cry me a river and get over it. Not everyone wants to buy a dog from the shelter without knowing its prior history or if it has any mental imbalances.

 

[Dis]

How the hell did thread make 10 pages over Obama's DOG?

He bought a dog. Ooooh waaaaaaah it wasn't a rescue dog. Cry me a river and get over it. Not everyone wants to buy a dog from the shelter without knowing its prior history or if it has any mental imbalances.

I think the whole point was that much like his entire campaign, he said one thing DURING it, and did quite the opposite AFTER it... I still don't think a dog is news worthy, but I'm guessing that's what started everything.

From there, it went to ignorance about various breeds of dog and what they're bred to do.