Obama care: Disastrous in every way

[Soaring]

Socialized medicine has never been successful. Why would Obama think his plan would be any different? Power Line - Obamacare: Disastrous In Every Way

 

[ReillyT]

Socialized medicine has never been successful. Why would Obama think his plan would be any different? Power Line - Obamacare: Disastrous In Every Way

Was that meant to be informative?

All depends on how you measure success.

 

[Amanda]

Personally, I'm in favor of every American being taken care of, medically. I don't know if Obama's plan will be the solution, but we shouldn't allow American's to suffer when relief is available. This isn't to say they shouldn't pay for it, or that illegals should get a free ride on tax payers backs, just that people dying or suffering shouldn't be an American virtue.

 

[KittenKoder]

It won't fix anything because of our outrageous costs, it will drive us broke just paying for it.

 

[ReillyT]

It won't fix anything because of our outrageous costs, it will drive us broke just paying for it.

We pay for health care now, we just do it privately and expensively.

I don't know why a collective option would be more expensive.

 

[KittenKoder]

It won't fix anything because of our outrageous costs, it will drive us broke just paying for it.

We pay for health care now, we just do it privately and expensively.

I don't know why a collective option would be more expensive.

It won't per person, as a whole though it will be, but that's not even the problem with healthcare, the cost IS the problem. If we actually stopped the over-regulation through mafia-groups like the FDA and AMA the price will drop since there won't be anyone they have to bribe anymore and there will be actual competition.

 

[Amanda]

It won't fix anything because of our outrageous costs, it will drive us broke just paying for it.

We pay for health care now, we just do it privately and expensively.

I don't know why a collective option would be more expensive.

The costs would shift. Doesn't mean it would be more expensive, but people would notice it in a place they aren't used to.

It's like the illegal immigrant problem. If we got rid of all illegals avocados would be $5 each. We're already paying that much but we don't see it because it doesn't show up at the supermarket.

The solutions to these problems are much more complicated than many (partisan hacks) would like to admit. It will take putting aside partisan differences, which might never never happen, if we're ever to make progress.

 

[ReillyT]

It won't fix anything because of our outrageous costs, it will drive us broke just paying for it.

We pay for health care now, we just do it privately and expensively.

I don't know why a collective option would be more expensive.

It won't per person, as a whole though it will be, but that's not even the problem with healthcare, the cost IS the problem. If we actually stopped the over-regulation through mafia-groups like the FDA and AMA the price will drop since there won't be anyone they have to bribe anymore and there will be actual competition.

Regulations are adopted for reasons. There are costs to doing away with them as well. See Financial Sector.

Regardless, health care costs have risen dramatically in the last couple of decades and I can't think of any regulations that would explain this. Profit margins in the pharmaceutical industry are among the highest (so costs obviously aren't the problem). Medical procedures are incentivized. Private overhead costs are 3 to 6 times higher than Medicare overheads. These are the reasons that health care is so expensive.

I can see where collective action could solve some of these issues.

 

[garyd]

The only way to lower medical costs in any significant fashion is to either A Remove the lawyers from the system, B. Remove the bureaucrats from the system, C. Limit access D. Limit technology.

Obama Care at least initially will do none of the above. It will almost certainly add more bureaucrats. You really can't limit technology with out adding even more lawyers to a system that is already up to it's neck in them. So eventually you will find that option C. is the choice and that usually comes at the expense of old folks. As in france where as you get older you are denied access to more and more life saving care.

 

[Lycurgus]

Personally, I'm in favor of every American being taken care of, medically. I don't know if Obama's plan will be the solution, but we shouldn't allow American's to suffer when relief is available. This isn't to say they shouldn't pay for it, or that illegals should get a free ride on tax payers backs, just that people dying or suffering shouldn't be an American virtue.

Amanda, as it stands now each American can get medical even if they do not have insurance. So we do not have people dying in the streets. But, aftercare is affected and so is prescription care.

Our current system needs fixed. It clearly has problems. However, the Obama and liberal plan is overkill and is not going to be the correct answer.

With that said, I'm not sure that the GOP proposals are the best answers either.

 

[Nik]

Personally, I'm in favor of every American being taken care of, medically. I don't know if Obama's plan will be the solution, but we shouldn't allow American's to suffer when relief is available. This isn't to say they shouldn't pay for it, or that illegals should get a free ride on tax payers backs, just that people dying or suffering shouldn't be an American virtue.

Amanda, as it stands now each American can get medical even if they do not have insurance. So we do not have people dying in the streets. But, aftercare is affected and so is prescription care.

Our current system needs fixed. It clearly has problems. However, the Obama and liberal plan is overkill and is not going to be the correct answer.

With that said, I'm not sure that the GOP proposals are the best answers either.

You can get emergency care. Just emergency care doesn't cut it for a lot of people, who then end up dying "on the streets" as you say.

 

[Amanda]

Personally, I'm in favor of every American being taken care of, medically. I don't know if Obama's plan will be the solution, but we shouldn't allow American's to suffer when relief is available. This isn't to say they shouldn't pay for it, or that illegals should get a free ride on tax payers backs, just that people dying or suffering shouldn't be an American virtue.

Amanda, as it stands now each American can get medical even if they do not have insurance. So we do not have people dying in the streets. But, aftercare is affected and so is prescription care.

Our current system needs fixed. It clearly has problems. However, the Obama and liberal plan is overkill and is not going to be the correct answer.

With that said, I'm not sure that the GOP proposals are the best answers either.

I don't pretend to have any answers. I don't know what the solution is. I just think that as Americans we need to take care of our own. I know anyone can go to an emergency room and get treated but there is so much more than that. 1 of my friends works in a pharmacy and the stories she can tell would just break your heart. People go without the meds they need because they simply can't afford them and their insurance won't cover them. The insurance companies seem to place profit over human life. I'm all for capitalism, I think it's the best system for giving high quality products to people. And I'm all for people earning their way. But still... things happen, and people can't foresee what will come. Most of the stories she tells me are about older people. These are good people that have done their part to make America a good and decent place and now they are pushed aside and left to suffer. No 1 should suffer when there is a way to help them.

 

[Newby]

The only way to lower medical costs in any significant fashion is to either A Remove the lawyers from the system, B. Remove the bureaucrats from the system, C. Limit access D. Limit technology.

Obama Care at least initially will do none of the above. It will almost certainly add more bureaucrats. You really can't limit technology with out adding even more lawyers to a system that is already up to it's neck in them. So eventually you will find that option C. is the choice and that usually comes at the expense of old folks. As in france where as you get older you are denied access to more and more life saving care.

You are quite right. And once that starts happening, because it won't at first, then people will sit up and take notice and start to understand the ramifications of what they asked for, and by then it will be too late.

 

[basp]

You are dillusionall if you think socialzed medicine has never been successful. Other countries do it quite successfully. In fact, when compared to the US, the cost is less and more individuals get better quality of care. Of cousre, you have to research the FACTS to know this and not rely on right wing talking points

 

[Lycurgus]

You are dillusionall if you think socialzed medicine has never been successful. Other countries do it quite successfully. In fact, when compared to the US, the cost is less and more individuals get better quality of care. Of cousre, you have to research the FACTS to know this and not rely on right wing talking points

First define success ............ then list the countries!

 

[driveby]

The question ( imo ) is still, why ?

I'm not convinced it's because Obama, Pelosi, Reid etc .... actually care about each and every one of us and want us all to have healthcare, they don't give a rats ass imo. Also, will these liberal elitist douchebags be on the same plan as you and i ? No fucking way ..........

 

[driveby]

You are dillusionall if you think socialzed medicine has never been successful. Other countries do it quite successfully. In fact, when compared to the US, the cost is less and more individuals get better quality of care. Of cousre, you have to research the FACTS to know this and not rely on right wing talking points

First define success ............ then list the countries!

lmao, he's gonna give you the same answer Robert Gibbs gave .........

 

[Lycurgus]

Personally, I'm in favor of every American being taken care of, medically. I don't know if Obama's plan will be the solution, but we shouldn't allow American's to suffer when relief is available. This isn't to say they shouldn't pay for it, or that illegals should get a free ride on tax payers backs, just that people dying or suffering shouldn't be an American virtue.

Amanda, as it stands now each American can get medical even if they do not have insurance. So we do not have people dying in the streets. But, aftercare is affected and so is prescription care.

Our current system needs fixed. It clearly has problems. However, the Obama and liberal plan is overkill and is not going to be the correct answer.

With that said, I'm not sure that the GOP proposals are the best answers either.

I don't pretend to have any answers. I don't know what the solution is. I just think that as Americans we need to take care of our own. I know anyone can go to an emergency room and get treated but there is so much more than that. 1 of my friends works in a pharmacy and the stories she can tell would just break your heart. People go without the meds they need because they simply can't afford them and their insurance won't cover them. The insurance companies seem to place profit over human life. I'm all for capitalism, I think it's the best system for giving high quality products to people. And I'm all for people earning their way. But still... things happen, and people can't foresee what will come. Most of the stories she tells me are about older people. These are good people that have done their part to make America a good and decent place and now they are pushed aside and left to suffer. No 1 should suffer when there is a way to help them.

Amanda, I agreed with you and as I pointed out, it is the aftercare where those without insurance suffer the most and that includes medication costs.

I deal with people daily who search for a very particular and very expensive medical therapy treatment. This is something they cannot be helped with through a hospital. The doctors fees have dropped to reasonable ranges in most places, but, the medication cost is so high, most continue to suffer.

I also understand socialized healthcare very well, as my family members must practice within the system and also must rely on it for care. My cousin who is a transplant specialist in the UK would be the first to warn any of us against the plans Obama wishes to put into place. In turn, as we know, what we have now needs fixed.

So we are left with the question, what is the best answer?

Your bottom-line is spot on, we need a system which provides quality and correct care for all. This includes aftercare!

 

[Old Rocks]

Socialized medicine has never been successful. Why would Obama think his plan would be any different? Power Line - Obamacare: Disastrous In Every Way

Lordy, lordy. Then why do the nations that have good health care systems pay less while their average life spans are longer, old people are healthier, and they have a far lower infant mortality rate than we do?

I think your lies have been too successful in the past.

 

[Douger]

Socialized medicine has never been successful. Why would Obama think his plan would be any different?

Ever been to an Italian or Costa Rican hospital ? it has worked fairly well here for 60 years but we budget for health care rather than sending 560 million to IsNtreal and invading sovereign nations.

My health care covers both private and public institutions.Dental too. $65 a month.
I spent over 40 grand up in that hell hole trying to get rid of chronic tachycardia since my deductible was 10 grand and the payments a tad over $400 a month.

2 little pills a day, non FDA "approved". Free. No tachycardia in 3 years.
Damned socialists.