Obama and Biden Attempt To Take Credit For Surge Success

[mudwhistle]

These fuckers have alot of gall. They want to claim they were responsible for success in Iraq.

This after opposing the policies that made it happen.

They also want to take credit for the draw-down agreement Bush made with the Iraqi government before he left office.

Obama's press secretary claimed that things were broke and Obama fixed it.

Now I've heard everything.

Fucken Bastards.

http://ballew74.newsvine.com/_news/...-update-iraq-one-of-obamas-great-achievements

I am very optimistic about -- about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. You're going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You're going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government.

I spent -- I've been there 17 times now. I go about every two months -- three months. I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society. It's impressed me. I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their difference

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Dems: Against the Surge, Cheerleading for Mooky and the Insurgents but now they want to take a victory lap.

They still haven't realized they no longer control the media

 

[Rozman]

These fuckers have alot of gall. They want to claim they were responsible for success in Iraq.

This after opposing the policies that made it happen.

They also want to take credit for the draw-down agreement Bush made with the Iraqi government before he left office.

Obama's press secretary claimed that things were broke and Obama fixed it.

Now I've heard everything.

Fucken Bastards.

Newsvine - Joe Biden update: Iraq one of Obama's 'great achievements'

I am very optimistic about -- about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. You're going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You're going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government.

I spent -- I've been there 17 times now. I go about every two months -- three months. I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society. It's impressed me. I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their difference

These guys make me sick to my stomach.When discussing something negative it's always
Bush's fault.When it's positive they take credit for it....

 

[WillowTree]

R E S P E C T tell ya what it means to me?

 

[WillowTree]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPP8tEv2HHM]YouTube - Obama's ridiculous : "the surge does NOT work, we know it"[/ame]

 

[Big Black Dog]

I think they are trying to blow some smoke up my rectum... Yours too.

 

[rightwinger]

Bush- Invade iraq

Obama- Win Iraq


History will duly record who did what

 

[Vast LWC]

Dems: Against the Surge, Cheerleading for Mooky and the Insurgents but now they want to take a victory lap.

They still haven't realized they no longer control the media

Oh, wait, this is a red-letter day in politics!

A right-winger admits that the "Main-Stream-Media" is not "left-wing".

Sweet!

Frank, I'm going to quote you here, OK?

LOL.

 

[Xenophon]

Bush- Invade iraq

Obama- Win Iraq


History will duly record who did what

How ironic that you say a lie and a truth in the same little post.

Obama will go down as having tried to lose a war that was won, even though it should never have been fought.

He will be a laughingstock through history for it, one of those funny trivia questions:

"What President tried to lose a war that was won so he could win an election?"

Barack Hussien Obama.

 

[Big Black Dog]

Bush- Invade iraq

Obama- Win Iraq


History will duly record who did what

How ironic that you say a lie and a truth in the same little post.

Obama will go down as having tried to lose a war that was won, even though it should never have been fought.

He will be a laughingstock through history for it, one of those funny trivia questions:

"What President tried to lose a war that was won so he could win an election?"

Barack Hussien Obama.

Your question, "What President tried to lose a war that was won so he could win an election?" will go into the Trivia Pursuit Dumb Ass Politician's Edition.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I heard today a speculation that Petraeus might replace Biden on the 2012 ticket.

No joke. How funny would that be.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I heard today a speculation that Petraeus might replace Biden on the 2012 ticket.

No joke. How funny would that be.

...and I heard a unicorn gallop past my front door.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Hopefully History will record the truth of the matter.

And that's all this administrations BS is worth.

 

[rightwinger]

Hopefully History will record the truth of the matter.

And that's all this administrations BS is worth.

It already is.

Starting with the justification for invasion, inept handling of the invasion with insufficient troops to stabilize the nation, early declaration of victory, miscalculation of the political situation in Iraq...

History will not be kind..........only acknowledging the President who finally got us out of this mistake

 

[SFC Ollie]

Hopefully History will record the truth of the matter.

And that's all this administrations BS is worth.

It already is.

Starting with the justification for invasion, inept handling of the invasion with insufficient troops to stabilize the nation, early declaration of victory, miscalculation of the political situation in Iraq...

History will not be kind..........only acknowledging the President who finally got us out of this mistake

Yes bush made a mistake by listening to Rumsfeld after the initial invasion. But Obama is following Bush's withdrawl plan almost perfectly.

 

[kyzr]

Hopefully History will record the truth of the matter. And that's all this administrations BS is worth.

It already is.

Starting with the justification for invasion, inept handling of the invasion with insufficient troops to stabilize the nation, early declaration of victory, miscalculation of the political situation in Iraq... History will not be kind..........only acknowledging the President who finally got us out of this mistake

1. Justification for the invasion, Clinton appointee Tenet says it is a "slam dunk" that Saddam had WMDs. It was a bi-partisan war, just look at who all voted to invade Iraq.

2. Inept? The war took about 2-weeks and had a coalition of about 47 nations. The nationbuilding was done to avoid an Iraqi civil war.

3. What early declaration of victory? I hope you're not referring to the "mission accomplished" sign on that returning carrier. hint: their mission was accomplished, hence the trip home.

4. The only miscalculation was by Obama and Biden who opposed the surge.

5. The timetable for withdrawl was established by Malaki & Bush. Obama just needs to avoid tripping to the podium when announcing the withdrawl is complete. (Obama didn't do anything in Iraq. He approved more troops to AFG, I hope that works out as well as Iraq)

 

[Vel]

Hopefully History will record the truth of the matter. And that's all this administrations BS is worth.

It already is.

Starting with the justification for invasion, inept handling of the invasion with insufficient troops to stabilize the nation, early declaration of victory, miscalculation of the political situation in Iraq... History will not be kind..........only acknowledging the President who finally got us out of this mistake

1. Justification for the invasion, Clinton appointee Tenet says it is a "slam dunk" that Saddam had WMDs. It was a bi-partisan war, just look at who all voted to invade Iraq.

2. Inept? The war took about 2-weeks and had a coalition of about 47 nations. The nationbuilding was done to avoid an Iraqi civil war.

3. What early declaration of victory? I hope you're not referring to the "mission accomplished" sign on that returning carrier. hint: their mission was accomplished, hence the trip home.

4. The only miscalculation was by Obama and Biden who opposed the surge.

5. The timetable for withdrawl was established by Malaki & Bush. Obama just needs to avoid tripping to the podium when announcing the withdrawl is complete. (Obama didn't do anything in Iraq. He approved more troops to AFG, I hope that works out as well as Iraq)

Accurate assessment.

 

[mudwhistle]

Bush- Invade iraq

Obama- Win Iraq


History will duly record who did what

Brain-dead asshole.

Obama attempted to talk the Iraqi President out of signing any drawdown agreement with Bush while Obama was candidate Obama. Iraqi officials related the attempt which was denied by Obama.

OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL

Last Updated: 10:09 AM, December 30, 2008

Posted: 4:02 AM, September 15, 2008

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen.Barack Obamahas tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July. "He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview. Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion." "However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined. Obama has made many contradictory statements with regard to Iraq. His latest position is that US combat troops should be out by 2010. Yet his effort to delay an agreement would make that withdrawal deadline impossible to meet.

Supposing he wins, Obama's administration wouldn't be fully operational before February - and naming a new ambassador to Baghdad and forming a new negotiation team might take longer still. By then, Iraq will be in the throes of its own campaign season. Judging by the past two elections, forming a new coalition government may then take three months. So the Iraqi negotiating team might not be in place until next June. Then, judging by how long the current talks have taken, restarting the process from scratch would leave the two sides needing at least six months to come up with a draft accord. That puts us at May 2010 for when the draft might be submitted to the Iraqi parliament - which might well need another six months to pass it into law. Thus, the 2010 deadline fixed by Obama is a meaningless concept, thrown in as a sop to his anti-war base.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and the Bush administration have a more flexible timetable in mind. According to Zebari, the envisaged time span is two or three years - departure in 2011 or 2012. That would let Iraq hold its next general election, the third since liberation, and resolve a number of domestic political issues. Even then, the dates mentioned are only "notional," making the timing and the cadence of withdrawal conditional on realities on the ground as appreciated by both sides. Iraqi leaders are divided over the US election. Iraqi President Jalal Talabani (whose party is a member of the Socialist International) sees Obama as "a man of the Left" - who, once elected, might change his opposition to Iraq's liberation. Indeed, say Talabani's advisers, a President Obama might be tempted to appropriate the victory that America has already won in Iraq by claiming that his intervention transformed failure into success.

Maliki's advisers have persuaded him that Obama will win - but the prime minister worries about the senator's "political debt to the anti-war lobby" - which is determined to transform Iraq into a disaster to prove that toppling Saddam Hussein was "the biggest strategic blunder in US history." Other prominent Iraqi leaders, such as Vice President Adel Abdul-Mahdi and Kurdish regional President Massoud Barzani, believe that Sen. John McCain would show "a more realistic approach to Iraqi issues."

Obama has given Iraqis the impression that he doesn't want Iraq to appear anything like a success, let alone a victory, for America. The reason? He fears that the perception of US victory there might revive the Bush Doctrine of "pre-emptive" war - that is, removing a threat before it strikes at America. Despite some usual equivocations on the subject, Obama rejects pre-emption as a legitimate form of self -defense. To be credible, his foreign-policy philosophy requires Iraq to be seen as a failure, a disaster, a quagmire, a pig with lipstick or any of the other apocalyptic adjectives used by the American defeat industry in the past five years. Yet Iraq is doing much better than its friends hoped and its enemies feared. The UN mandate will be extended in December, and we may yet get an agreement on the status of forces before President Bush leaves the White House in January.


Read more: SEN. BARACK OBAMA WANTS TROOPS OUT OF IRAQ, BUT WANTS A DELAY IN NEGOTIATIONS FOR REMOVAL - NYPOST.com

After all of the lying we've seen from this president and now this attempt at taking credit for Iraq success who are you willing to believe?

 

[Claudette]

It already is.

Starting with the justification for invasion, inept handling of the invasion with insufficient troops to stabilize the nation, early declaration of victory, miscalculation of the political situation in Iraq... History will not be kind..........only acknowledging the President who finally got us out of this mistake

1. Justification for the invasion, Clinton appointee Tenet says it is a "slam dunk" that Saddam had WMDs. It was a bi-partisan war, just look at who all voted to invade Iraq.

2. Inept? The war took about 2-weeks and had a coalition of about 47 nations. The nationbuilding was done to avoid an Iraqi civil war.

3. What early declaration of victory? I hope you're not referring to the "mission accomplished" sign on that returning carrier. hint: their mission was accomplished, hence the trip home.

4. The only miscalculation was by Obama and Biden who opposed the surge.

5. The timetable for withdrawl was established by Malaki & Bush. Obama just needs to avoid tripping to the podium when announcing the withdrawl is complete. (Obama didn't do anything in Iraq. He approved more troops to AFG, I hope that works out as well as Iraq)

Accurate assessment.

Ditto. History will tell who "Won the War" in Iraq.

OL'BO and Bigfoot Biden can spin all they want and fall all over themselves taking the credit but History will tell the true tale.

 

[blastoff]

You gotta give Biden and the Rookie credit. They've got cojones the size of watermelons.