Obama Admin Blocked An Iranian-American Judge From Hearing Iranian Immigration Cases

[cereal_killer]

Don't even go there and say this is racist and they hate Iranians. This is different from the Trump U case, no it really is......




Should Shared Ancestry Force A Judge's Recusal?

 

[bodecea]

Scalia didn't recuse himself.

 

[MisterBeale]

Don't even go there and say this is racist and they hate Iranians. This is different from the Trump U case, no it really is......




Should Shared Ancestry Force A Judge's Recusal?

Wow. Just wow.


. . . and from the State's own propaganda arm.

 

[MisterBeale]

Scalia didn't recuse himself.

From what?

 

[JakeStarkey]

NP, a true marxist media outlet. Hmmm.

"Immigration Judge A. Ashley Tabaddor has been hearing immigration cases since 2005. In her lawsuit, she says her troubles began three years ago when she was invited to a White House meeting with Iranian-American community leaders. She asked her supervisors for permission to attend and they approved, but they also recommended that if she went she recuse herself from all immigration cases involving Iranians. When she returned from Washington, Tabaddor says the recommended recusal became an official order. That move sparked outrage among fellow immigration judges who say it violates Tabaddor's First Amendment rights."

She can challenge the decision and will easily win it.

 

[JoeB131]

Don't even go there and say this is racist and they hate Iranians. This is different from the Trump U case, no it really is......




Should Shared Ancestry Force A Judge's Recusal?

well, it really is different.

they asked her to recuse herself from cases involving Iranians because of her political advocacy towards Iranians.

Not because of her Iranian heritage.

Trump's claim was that Cuzial should be removed because he is Mexican- (he isn't) because Trump made building a wall the central piece of his campaign, which has nothing to do about whether he defrauded people who paid for Trump University classes.

 

[emilynghiem]

Don't even go there and say this is racist and they hate Iranians. This is different from the Trump U case, no it really is......




Should Shared Ancestry Force A Judge's Recusal?

well, it really is different.

they asked her to recuse herself from cases involving Iranians because of her political advocacy towards Iranians.

Not because of her Iranian heritage.

Trump's claim was that Cuzial should be removed because he is Mexican- (he isn't) because Trump made building a wall the central piece of his campaign, which has nothing to do about whether he defrauded people who paid for Trump University classes.

I thought he was using the association with La Raza to argue conflicts of interest. JoeB131

Isn't there a difference between attending a meeting and joining or giving/receiving money

Thanks cereal_killer for bringing this up
at what point are we going to see arguments that all lawyers and judges
are in conflicts of interest because of professional associations of bars
linked to campaign donations

instead of dancing around, trying to prove conflicts of interest solely on
whether financial transactions were involved, why not address Political conflicts
of interest. When will we set up means to challenge a vote in Congress as a conflict
when all the Democrats vote yes and all the Republicans vote no, thus showing
a bias by party that excludes members of the other from equal representation?

 

[SwimExpert]

Don't even go there and say this is racist and they hate Iranians. This is different from the Trump U case, no it really is......




Should Shared Ancestry Force A Judge's Recusal?

You continue to cultivate shit where your brain is supposed to be under the misguided belief that it's actually honey. Of course, there is a 100% difference between an Iranian American judge hearing Iranian immigration cases, and a Hispanic judge hearing a fraud case. But you'll just all day long because you don't care.

 

[JoeB131]

I thought he was using the association with La Raza to argue conflicts of interest. JoeB131

except that's not what Trump said. He hasn't gone into a court and claimed that the Judge was part of La Raza (different La Raza, but never mind) should make him recuse himself. Mostly because any lawyer filing that kind of motion would be disbarred.

Instead, Trump went out and said Cuzial ruled against him on the disclosure of statements because he was a "Mexican".

 

[emilynghiem]

I thought he was using the association with La Raza to argue conflicts of interest. JoeB131

except that's not what Trump said. He hasn't gone into a court and claimed that the Judge was part of La Raza (different La Raza, but never mind) should make him recuse himself. Mostly because any lawyer filing that kind of motion would be disbarred.

Instead, Trump went out and said Cuzial ruled against him on the disclosure of statements because he was a "Mexican".

What Trump says in the media and what lawyers use in Court are two different things.

Remember we live in a culture where Obama and Congress insisted that ACA was not a tax,
but the lawyers sent to court argued it was, and Justice Roberts signed on that interpretation.

 

[emilynghiem]

Don't even go there and say this is racist and they hate Iranians. This is different from the Trump U case, no it really is......




Should Shared Ancestry Force A Judge's Recusal?

You continue to cultivate shit where your brain is supposed to be under the misguided belief that it's actually honey. Of course, there is a 100% difference between an Iranian American judge hearing Iranian immigration cases, and a Hispanic judge hearing a fraud case. But you'll just all day long because you don't care.

Dear SwimExpert sure you can make a distinction there.
But the question is whether political agenda is still the compelling force behind conflicts of interest.
We can nitpick over the letter of the law, and still not stop the political bullying and selective enforcement going on.

I WISH people could make distinctions like you say.

In the case of LGBT policies, people cannot even agree on distinctions
between what is genetic like race, and what is behavior or spiritual choice like creed.

Again SE, it seems clear that when people have a political agenda,
this affects WHAT distinctions we make and enforce, and which ones we skirt over for convenience.
If it goes against what we want, suddenly it's not so convenient, so we go through more trouble to justify distinctions.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The case was settled in the attorney's favor. So anyone attempting to analogize this and the Curiel/Trump case, using this as a precedent of any sort...

...Curiel wins.

Literally, case closed.

U.S. Government Settles Lawsuit Filed By Iranian-American Judge

No more threads based on half-truths!

 

[Contumacious]

Don't even go there and say this is racist and they hate Iranians. This is different from the Trump U case, no it really is......




Should Shared Ancestry Force A Judge's Recusal?

well, it really is different.

they asked her to recuse herself from cases involving Iranians because of her political advocacy towards Iranians.

Not because of her Iranian heritage.

Trump's claim was that Cuzial should be removed because he is Mexican- (he isn't) because Trump made building a wall the central piece of his campaign, which has nothing to do about whether he defrauded people who paid for Trump University classes.

Bullshit


Here we have a case of double standard.

Trump has a right to ask if Judge Gonzalo Curiel is fair

But there may be other factors to consider in determining whether Trump’s concerns about getting an impartial trial are reasonable. Curiel is, reportedly, a member of a group called La Raza Lawyers of San Diego. Trump’s aides, meanwhile, have indicated that they believe Curiel is a member of the National Council of La Raza, a vocal advocacy organization that hasvigorously condemned Trump and his views on immigration. The two groups are unaffiliated, and Curiel is not a member of NCLR. But Trump may be concerned that the lawyers’ association or its members represent or support the other advocacy organization. Coupled with that question is the fact that in 2014, when he certified the class-action lawsuit against Trump, Curiel appointed the Robbins Geller law firm to represent plaintiffs. Robbins Geller has paid $675,000 in speaking fees since 2009 to Trump’s likely opponent, Hillary Clinton, and to her husband, former president Bill Clinton. Curiel appointed the firm in the case before Trump entered the presidential race, but again, it might not be unreasonable for a defendant in Trump’s position to wonder who Curiel favors in the presidential election. These circumstances, while not necessarily conclusive, at least raise a legitimate question to be considered. Regardless of the way Trump has gone about raising his concerns over whether he’s getting a fair trial, none of us should dismiss those concerns out of hand without carefully examining how a defendant in his position might perceive them — and we certainly should not dismiss them for partisan political reasons..

By Alberto R. Gonzales
Alberto R. Gonzales served as White House counsel and U.S. attorney general in the George W. Bush administration. He is the dean and Doyle Rogers Distinguished Professor of law at Belmont University College of Law in Nashville, Tenn.

 

[dani67]

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Don't even go there and say this is racist and they hate Iranians. This is different from the Trump U case, no it really is......




Should Shared Ancestry Force A Judge's Recusal?

It is different. The Trump University case has nothing to do with Mexicans so how is the judge's ethnicity at all relevant?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Don't even go there and say this is racist and they hate Iranians. This is different from the Trump U case, no it really is......




Should Shared Ancestry Force A Judge's Recusal?

It is different. The Trump University case has nothing to do with Mexicans so how is the judge's ethnicity at all relevant?

It is not, and that is where Trump's campaign went from bad to worse.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Trump's attorney can challenge the judge, and when they are told "no" and to "sit down", that's the end of it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Don't even go there and say this is racist and they hate Iranians. This is different from the Trump U case, no it really is......




Should Shared Ancestry Force A Judge's Recusal?

well, it really is different.

they asked her to recuse herself from cases involving Iranians because of her political advocacy towards Iranians.

Not because of her Iranian heritage.

Trump's claim was that Cuzial should be removed because he is Mexican- (he isn't) because Trump made building a wall the central piece of his campaign, which has nothing to do about whether he defrauded people who paid for Trump University classes.

Bullshit


Here we have a case of double standard.

Trump has a right to ask if Judge Gonzalo Curiel is fair

But there may be other factors to consider in determining whether Trump’s concerns about getting an impartial trial are reasonable. Curiel is, reportedly, a member of a group called La Raza Lawyers of San Diego. Trump’s aides, meanwhile, have indicated that they believe Curiel is a member of the National Council of La Raza, a vocal advocacy organization that hasvigorously condemned Trump and his views on immigration. The two groups are unaffiliated, and Curiel is not a member of NCLR. But Trump may be concerned that the lawyers’ association or its members represent or support the other advocacy organization. Coupled with that question is the fact that in 2014, when he certified the class-action lawsuit against Trump, Curiel appointed the Robbins Geller law firm to represent plaintiffs. Robbins Geller has paid $675,000 in speaking fees since 2009 to Trump’s likely opponent, Hillary Clinton, and to her husband, former president Bill Clinton. Curiel appointed the firm in the case before Trump entered the presidential race, but again, it might not be unreasonable for a defendant in Trump’s position to wonder who Curiel favors in the presidential election. These circumstances, while not necessarily conclusive, at least raise a legitimate question to be considered. Regardless of the way Trump has gone about raising his concerns over whether he’s getting a fair trial, none of us should dismiss those concerns out of hand without carefully examining how a defendant in his position might perceive them — and we certainly should not dismiss them for partisan political reasons..

By Alberto R. Gonzales
Alberto R. Gonzales served as White House counsel and U.S. attorney general in the George W. Bush administration. He is the dean and Doyle Rogers Distinguished Professor of law at Belmont University College of Law in Nashville, Tenn.

Trump's lawyer Petrocelli has repeatedly donated to Hillary Clinton.

 

[Contumacious]

Don't even go there and say this is racist and they hate Iranians. This is different from the Trump U case, no it really is......




Should Shared Ancestry Force A Judge's Recusal?

It is different. The Trump University case has nothing to do with Mexicans so how is the judge's ethnicity at all relevant?

Trump has a right to ask if Judge Gonzalo Curiel is fair

But there may be other factors to consider in determining whether Trump’s concerns about getting an impartial trial are reasonable. Curiel is, reportedly, a member of a group called La Raza Lawyers of San Diego. Trump’s aides, meanwhile, have indicated that they believe Curiel is a member of the National Council of La Raza, a vocal advocacy organization that hasvigorously condemned Trump and his views on immigration. The two groups are unaffiliated, and Curiel is not a member of NCLR. But Trump may be concerned that the lawyers’ association or its members represent or support the other advocacy organization. Coupled with that question is the fact that in 2014, when he certified the class-action lawsuit against Trump, Curiel appointed the Robbins Geller law firm to represent plaintiffs. Robbins Geller haspaid $675,000 in speaking fees since 2009 to Trump’s likely opponent, Hillary Clinton, and to her husband, former president Bill Clinton. Curiel appointed the firm in the case before Trump entered the presidential race, but again, it might not be unreasonable for a defendant in Trump’s position to wonder who Curiel favors in the presidential election. These circumstances, while not necessarily conclusive, at least raise a legitimate question to be considered. Regardless of the way Trump has gone about raising his concerns over whether he’s getting a fair trial, none of us should dismiss those concerns out of hand without carefully examining how a defendant in his position might perceive them — and we certainly should not dismiss them for partisan political reasons..

By Alberto R. Gonzales
Alberto R. Gonzales served as White House counsel and U.S. attorney general in the George W. Bush administration. He is the dean and Doyle Rogers Distinguished Professor of law at Belmont University College of Law in Nashville, Tenn.

 

[SwimExpert]

Dear SwimExpert sure you can make a distinction there.

Erm, no. There is no "can" about it. Any attempt to compare this judge to Curiel is entirely without merit. Period.