Northern Irish rape victim, 12, forced to travel to England under police escort for abortion

I don't think getting raped is a choice and also why want a rape baby born it will inherit the fucked up DNA of it's rapists father, probably will not be normal and when an adult probably become a criminal and who knows perhaps a rapist itself. No better to abort and flush that defective DNA down the toilet. We should be wanting NORMAL healthy babys with good DNA.
Getting raped isn’t a choice. Becoming a murderer of innocents is...

We have to get detached from emotion in these circumstances, this is very different from Abortion on Demand, this is very different from abortion in killing for convenience because allowing a baby to be born would fuck up the womans lifestyle, that is in my opinion murder, butchering of the most innocent.

The situation of rape and removing a rapists baby to prevent total psychological collapse of the woman should not be in same level as the above.
Is the child conceived of rape less innocent than any other?

Forget about the baby, WHAT about the girl and/or woman or don't you give a shit about her?
That’s exactly what the pro abortionists say. Exactly...

I am not Pro-Abortion I have been very consistent about this since I joined this forum that I am Anti-Abortion with the exception for rape, incest and where the life of the mother is in danger.
 
...aborting a rape baby is not murder in my opinion.
A baby, is a baby... No baby is responsible for the circumstances of its conception. Nor is it guilty of another’s crimes. Most certainly not deserving of execution. And that is exactly what abortion is. Who is the greater villain; the rapist, or the murderer of innocent children?

"aborting a rape baby is not murder in my opinion"....

A baby, is a baby... No baby is responsible for the circumstances of its conception. Nor is it guilty of another’s crimes. Most certainly not deserving of execution. And that is exactly what abortion is. Who is the greater villain; the rapist, or the murderer of innocent children?[

Why do you want a girl and/or women who already traumatised from being raped why do you want her more traumatised by forcing her to 24/7 carry for nine months and then give birth to her rapists baby?
Why would you object to aborting the children of violent rape when the woman has been traumatized for years?

Is this the 11 year old and 15 year old?
 
But DESTROYING a girl and/or womans life is the answer? FORCING a girl and/or woman to carry and give birth to a rapists baby is the ultimate cruelty, FORCING them to live in their mind 24/7 for NINE MONTHS that to them the monster in their stomach is their because they were raped and they will think of that baby as a monster because it's biological father is a monster. This is a very complex issue involving many levels of psychological issues, the health including the mental health of the girl and/or woman comes first and aborting a rape baby is not murder in my opinion, aborting a rape baby is the first part of assisting the girl and/or woman to recovery.

Also WHO would want to be born and grow up to find they were a rape baby? Would YOU want to know YOU were the product of rape? No, guaranteed to fuck ANYONE up.
Then you agree, those two children of rape should have been aborted when they were found at ages 11 and 15. Then their mother could have healed.

Huh? They do not abort 11 and 15 years in age.
Why not? Was Jaycee Dugard not forced to have not one but two children of violent rape? Was she not forced to be further traumatized by having to raise and care for these children? Now those children have to live with the knowledge that they are the products of violent rape. Aborting these children is the first step in their mother's recovery. The father was a monster. The children are likewise monsters. If these would be the reasons for aborting them as babies, nothing has changed. Do it now.

Who force Jaycee Dugard to have those children? Judges force her or who?
She was a captive. Her rapist forced her to have these children. Is the trauma different depending on who was doing the forcing.

At the very least, the children should have been taken away so the poor woman could heal.

The children should have been taken away yes.
 
Getting raped isn’t a choice. Becoming a murderer of innocents is...

We have to get detached from emotion in these circumstances, this is very different from Abortion on Demand, this is very different from abortion in killing for convenience because allowing a baby to be born would fuck up the womans lifestyle, that is in my opinion murder, butchering of the most innocent.

The situation of rape and removing a rapists baby to prevent total psychological collapse of the woman should not be in same level as the above.
Is the child conceived of rape less innocent than any other?

Forget about the baby, WHAT about the girl and/or woman or don't you give a shit about her?
That’s exactly what the pro abortionists say. Exactly...

I am not Pro-Abortion I have been very consistent about this since I joined this forum that I am Anti-Abortion with the exception for rape, incest and where the life of the mother is in danger.
Every woman who promotes, or gets an abortion formulates their own exception. So the only points of real contention aren’t actually abortion itself. But rather where to draw the line for everyone...
 
We have to get detached from emotion in these circumstances, this is very different from Abortion on Demand, this is very different from abortion in killing for convenience because allowing a baby to be born would fuck up the womans lifestyle, that is in my opinion murder, butchering of the most innocent.

The situation of rape and removing a rapists baby to prevent total psychological collapse of the woman should not be in same level as the above.
Is the child conceived of rape less innocent than any other?

Forget about the baby, WHAT about the girl and/or woman or don't you give a shit about her?
That’s exactly what the pro abortionists say. Exactly...

I am not Pro-Abortion I have been very consistent about this since I joined this forum that I am Anti-Abortion with the exception for rape, incest and where the life of the mother is in danger.
Every woman who promotes, or gets an abortion formulates their own exception. So the only points of real contention aren’t actually abortion itself. But rather where to draw the line for everyone...

No not talking about formulating different exceptions, talking about specific exceptions of rape, incest and where the life of the mother is in danger. Okay so say the woman is pregnant and that by continuing the pregnancy it means she is going to die, but if given an abortion she lives, what happens then you allow the woman to die because you do not want abortion in that situation?
 
A baby, is a baby... No baby is responsible for the circumstances of its conception. Nor is it guilty of another’s crimes. Most certainly not deserving of execution. And that is exactly what abortion is. Who is the greater villain; the rapist, or the murderer of innocent children?

"aborting a rape baby is not murder in my opinion"....

A baby, is a baby... No baby is responsible for the circumstances of its conception. Nor is it guilty of another’s crimes. Most certainly not deserving of execution. And that is exactly what abortion is. Who is the greater villain; the rapist, or the murderer of innocent children?[

Why do you want a girl and/or women who already traumatised from being raped why do you want her more traumatised by forcing her to 24/7 carry for nine months and then give birth to her rapists baby?
Why would you object to aborting the children of violent rape when the woman has been traumatized for years?

Is this the 11 year old and 15 year old?
Yes. Still the children of violent rape.
 
Getting raped isn’t a choice. Becoming a murderer of innocents is...

We have to get detached from emotion in these circumstances, this is very different from Abortion on Demand, this is very different from abortion in killing for convenience because allowing a baby to be born would fuck up the womans lifestyle, that is in my opinion murder, butchering of the most innocent.

The situation of rape and removing a rapists baby to prevent total psychological collapse of the woman should not be in same level as the above.
Is the child conceived of rape less innocent than any other?

Forget about the baby, WHAT about the girl and/or woman or don't you give a shit about her?
That’s exactly what the pro abortionists say. Exactly...

I am not Pro-Abortion I have been very consistent about this since I joined this forum that I am Anti-Abortion with the exception for rape, incest and where the life of the mother is in danger.
I am pro abortion. Democrats should always be encouraged to abort their children.
 
Is the child conceived of rape less innocent than any other?

Forget about the baby, WHAT about the girl and/or woman or don't you give a shit about her?
That’s exactly what the pro abortionists say. Exactly...

I am not Pro-Abortion I have been very consistent about this since I joined this forum that I am Anti-Abortion with the exception for rape, incest and where the life of the mother is in danger.
Every woman who promotes, or gets an abortion formulates their own exception. So the only points of real contention aren’t actually abortion itself. But rather where to draw the line for everyone...

No not talking about formulating different exceptions, talking about specific exceptions of rape, incest and where the life of the mother is in danger. Okay so say the woman is pregnant and that by continuing the pregnancy it means she is going to die, but if given an abortion she lives, what happens then you allow the woman to die because you do not want abortion in that situation?
Right. I understand where you want to draw the line. But there are millions more women out there with their own desires, who want the line drawn else where. So the choice isn’t really about “abortion”; it’s more about who is allowed to kill a child, and who isn’t...
In the event of life threatening complications to the mother? That’s a very different animal. That is a scenario that plays out in many different ways in life. Where a person has to make a sacrifice. The old good of the many, at the cost of the few debate. The “Who do you save”, question...
That is a quandary, wholly separate from the killing of a child where no one else will die if you don’t. Many parents would willingly die instead of their child. Some might choose otherwise. That’s a decision, that person will have to make if that time comes. And they will have to either live, or die with the decision they’ve made.
 

"aborting a rape baby is not murder in my opinion"....

A baby, is a baby... No baby is responsible for the circumstances of its conception. Nor is it guilty of another’s crimes. Most certainly not deserving of execution. And that is exactly what abortion is. Who is the greater villain; the rapist, or the murderer of innocent children?[

Why do you want a girl and/or women who already traumatised from being raped why do you want her more traumatised by forcing her to 24/7 carry for nine months and then give birth to her rapists baby?
Why would you object to aborting the children of violent rape when the woman has been traumatized for years?

Is this the 11 year old and 15 year old?
Yes. Still the children of violent rape.

I do not think that is though realistic to retroactively abort an 11 year old and a 15 year old. At the time they were born you say the mother was captive of the rapist father, so who outside the environment knew of this the circumstances of the births? Social Workers or who? If they knew then both should have been removed and the rapist father arrested.
 
Forget about the baby, WHAT about the girl and/or woman or don't you give a shit about her?
That’s exactly what the pro abortionists say. Exactly...

I am not Pro-Abortion I have been very consistent about this since I joined this forum that I am Anti-Abortion with the exception for rape, incest and where the life of the mother is in danger.
Every woman who promotes, or gets an abortion formulates their own exception. So the only points of real contention aren’t actually abortion itself. But rather where to draw the line for everyone...

No not talking about formulating different exceptions, talking about specific exceptions of rape, incest and where the life of the mother is in danger. Okay so say the woman is pregnant and that by continuing the pregnancy it means she is going to die, but if given an abortion she lives, what happens then you allow the woman to die because you do not want abortion in that situation?
Right. I understand where you want to draw the line. But there are millions more women out there with their own desires, who want the line drawn else where. So the choice isn’t really about “abortion”; it’s more about who is allowed to kill a child, and who isn’t...
In the event of life threatening complications to the mother? That’s a very different animal. That is a scenario that plays out in many different ways in life. Where a person has to make a sacrifice. The old good of the many, at the cost of the few debate. The “Who do you save”, question...
That is a quandary, wholly separate from the killing of a child where no one else will die if you don’t. Many parents would willingly die instead of their child. Some might choose otherwise. That’s a decision, that person will have to make if that time comes. And they will have to either live, or die with the decision they’ve made.

You do not draw the line else where, you have a law that states the specific line and that would be that abortion is ONLY allowed in the cases of rape, incest and where the life of the mother is in danger.

The other situation to allow the mother AND the baby to die, why say the mother also has to die, she can live and hopefully go on to have more children that do not have the In Utero complication that to allow to live means she dies also.

I would die in place of ALL my five kidlets, but they already born, if on one complications and Mr. Lucy told okay if the baby is born then I also die what do you think Mr. Lucy would tell the doctor to allow everyone to die? No.
 
That’s exactly what the pro abortionists say. Exactly...

I am not Pro-Abortion I have been very consistent about this since I joined this forum that I am Anti-Abortion with the exception for rape, incest and where the life of the mother is in danger.
Every woman who promotes, or gets an abortion formulates their own exception. So the only points of real contention aren’t actually abortion itself. But rather where to draw the line for everyone...

No not talking about formulating different exceptions, talking about specific exceptions of rape, incest and where the life of the mother is in danger. Okay so say the woman is pregnant and that by continuing the pregnancy it means she is going to die, but if given an abortion she lives, what happens then you allow the woman to die because you do not want abortion in that situation?
Right. I understand where you want to draw the line. But there are millions more women out there with their own desires, who want the line drawn else where. So the choice isn’t really about “abortion”; it’s more about who is allowed to kill a child, and who isn’t...
In the event of life threatening complications to the mother? That’s a very different animal. That is a scenario that plays out in many different ways in life. Where a person has to make a sacrifice. The old good of the many, at the cost of the few debate. The “Who do you save”, question...
That is a quandary, wholly separate from the killing of a child where no one else will die if you don’t. Many parents would willingly die instead of their child. Some might choose otherwise. That’s a decision, that person will have to make if that time comes. And they will have to either live, or die with the decision they’ve made.

You do not draw the line else where, you have a law that states the specific line and that would be that abortion is ONLY allowed in the cases of rape, incest and where the life of the mother is in danger.

The other situation to allow the mother AND the baby to die, why say the mother also has to die, she can live and hopefully go on to have more children that do not have the In Utero complication that to allow to live means she dies also.

I would die in place of ALL my five kidlets, but they already born, if on one complications and Mr. Lucy told okay if the baby is born then I also die what do you think Mr. Lucy would tell the doctor to allow everyone to die? No.
That is where you would prefer the line to be drawn. Other people would like the line drawn elsewhere. So the dispute isn’t over abortion itself. It’s over the circumstances society should allow it.
Again... In the life or death scenario... That’s totally different. That’s a decision the person whose life is in danger is going to have to make. Killing for survival isn’t murder. It’s instinct. Some would over ride their own instincts, for reasons that are their own. Yet others will follow their instincts, also for reasons that are their own.
 
Bob girls and women who have been raped have suffered trauma already, then to FORCE them to suffer the psychological trauma of carrying a RAPE baby this is NOT compassionate it is cruel and fanatical. Abortion should be illegal EXCEPT in the case of rape, incest and where the life of the mother is in danger.

Rape is a tragic crime, and anything that increases the victim's suffering is even more tragic. But it doesn't justify the savage murder of an innocent child, who had no willing part in the crime which caused his existence. Unjustifiably killing an innocent child is an even greater evil than rape.
 
Also WHO would want to be born and grow up to find they were a rape baby? Would YOU want to know YOU were the product of rape? No, guaranteed to f••• ANYONE up.

I have a sister who is adopted. Some time after reaching adulthood, she searched for, and found, her biological mother; and now has a good relationship with her and others of her biological family, as well as with my family in which she was adopted and raised. She has learned the unfortunate circumstances under which she was conceived. She is, to use your hateful, evil, bigoted term, a “rape baby”.

Your position amounts to wishing that my sister was dead, and that her five children and her three grandchildren had never existed; and all of those whose lives she has touched should have been deprived of her influence. Do you have any idea how evil your position truly, that my sister should have been brutally murdered because of the crime which resulted in her existence? Talk about f•••ed-up.
 

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