Next time you hear someone criticizing socialism...

[the other mike]

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Really? He's always very courteous to me. Maybe if people treat you like shit, you should consider whether or not you're acting like shit.

Come back anytime you need more lessons in being a man, Nancy.

Scroll back. HE started the shit with me.

Facts are hard for commies and commie lovers.

Cecilie1200 is a commie ?
That's too bad.

She's your sock? You're weird.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The bottom line is what people think it is.

People are stupid, but enough about you.

 

[danielpalos]

The next time you hear someone criticizing socialism...congratulate them for not being ignorant/uneducated/uninformed about the horrors of socialism like Angelo.

The Chinese communists, like all communists, hide societal problems. There is no crime, disease, or addiction in the collectivist state. This kind of secrecy and dishonesty can be disastrous, especially in a highly interconnected world.

People like Angelo advocate for this kind of horrific totalitarian state in exchange for a few pitiful government table scraps. Imagine trading freedom someone else delivered so you can live like an obedient dog, just because you're too fuck'n lazy to support yourself.

Coronavirus Is the Chinese Government's Curse Upon the World

We are the ones with a Statue of Liberty yet the right wing wants to criminalize poverty and homelessness.

 

[the other mike]

We are the ones with a Statue of Liberty yet the right wing wants to criminalize poverty and homelessness.

France might as well take it back.

 

[regent]

America uses a number of economic systems. It has always had some forms of socialism, capitalism, and maybe even a little communism, if it fit. The degrees of each depends largely on need and fit at the tune. The need for socialism for some, is it's use as a scare word, as they did with Social Security.

 

[P@triot]

To much of a pussy to respond to my PM I see.

Too much of a pussy to say what you think out where everyone can read it, I see.

He actually went off on a tizzy sending me multiple PM’s and calling me out for “not responding”. It never occurred to dumb-ass that I had shut down my computer and went to do other things.

 

[P@triot]

America uses a number of economic systems. It has always had some forms of socialism, capitalism, and maybe even a little communism, if it fit. The degrees of each depends largely on need and fit at the tune. The need for socialism for some, is it's use as a scare word, as they did with Social Security.

Social Security? You mean the unconstitutional program that is 100% insolvent as Republicans warned in the 1930’s?

 

[P@triot]

We are the ones with a Statue of Liberty yet the right wing wants to criminalize poverty and homelessness.

You just went full retard. Nobody wants to “criminalize” either. It’s not even possible.

 

[P@triot]

The next time you hear someone criticize socialism, congratulate them on not being nearly as ignorant as Angelo:

Because socialism is a fight against basic human nature, it requires brute force in the attempt to reach its goals.

Good ideas don’t require force. People adopt truly good ideas voluntarily because they are good.

Socialism's Past

Because socialism is a fight against basic human nature, it requires brute force in the attempt to reach its goals.

www.dailysignal.com

 

[Cecilie1200]

You lefties

Yeah ....because so many 'lefties' like me are Trump supporters.
You're judging me for starting one discussion about 'socialism', which obviously triggers you USMB group-thinkers.

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No, honey, I'm making an observation based on multiple posts over multiple threads. I'm very sorry for you that you're just now finding out that words communicate things, and YOUR words communicate things you don't want to believe. I'm also sorry that you're just finding out that labeling yourself "Trump supporter" doesn't make you immune to falling into left-think.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Really? He's always very courteous to me. Maybe if people treat you like shit, you should consider whether or not you're acting like shit.

Come back anytime you need more lessons in being a man, Nancy.

Scroll back. HE started the shit with me.

Don't need to. I don't have a five-minute memory span, unlike some. And spare me the whining "He started it!" routine; I already have children, and don't need any more.

 

[there4eyeM]

We are the ones with a Statue of Liberty yet the right wing wants to criminalize poverty and homelessness.

France might as well take it back.

More than ever, they want you to be faced with it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

America has one of the world's highest standards of living

"Our family has the nicest house in the neighborhood, which means we get to come around and shit on your lawns anytime, rape your kids and eat your pets and you can't do a fucking thing about it."

You remind me of my 11-year-old, who translates "Stop making so much noise" into "So you just want me to sit in the closet all day and never talk to anyone".

 

[Cecilie1200]

The bottom line is what people think it is.

Oh, noes! There are rich people in the US, and they're a small percentage of the population! The horrors!

And then?

 

[there4eyeM]

A chalk outline is being drawn around common sense in this country, and most Americans can't even identify the victim.

 

[Cecilie1200]

To much of a pussy to respond to my PM I see.

Too much of a pussy to say what you think out where everyone can read it, I see.

He actually went off on a tizzy sending me multiple PM’s and calling me out for “not responding”. It never occurred to dumb-ass that I had shut down my computer and went to do other things.

What?! You mean he's NOT the center of the universe?

 

[Andylusion]

Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
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To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”



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But the cause of the depression, was socialism. If government had no screwed up the market, none of that would have happened.

Every time you people point to something, and say Capitalism sucks, it always turns out to be a government intervention at the root of the problem.

 

[Andylusion]

Here’s the reply you’ll get : “that’s not socialism “. As much as Cons talk about the democrats socialism, none of them can you an example of it .

By definition it wasn't

do you know the definition of socialism?

I do . The real definition , not the bastardize version Cons use aka “anything the gov does that helps people”.

Very little government does, ever helps anyone.

Second, helping people by harming others, is not a moral good, but rather a moral evil.

 

[the other mike]

Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
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To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”



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Angelo

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But the cause of the depression, was socialism. If government had no screwed up the market, none of that would have happened.

Every time you people point to something, and say Capitalism sucks, it always turns out to be a government intervention at the root of the problem.

The strawman argument, where you always forget to mention the corporate revolving door in government that is the problem.