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If the nursing homes followed the protocol, and had isolated from the regular nursing home patient COVID ward or wing, with nurses and aids only working the vivid ward, and not crossing over in to the nursing home, With a separate entrance for workers to go in and out....Nursing homes were required to take back in, their own residents, that they sent to the hospital, with COVID, when the Hospital determined they were well enough, to recover at home....
The requirement to take back Their own resident, had stipulations....
The nursing home had to isolate their returning COVID residence in a separate ward in the nursing home, With a separate entrance and separate staff, from the other nursing home residents, so not to mix them, or risk contamination/spread.
IF the nursing home of the resident could not accommodate the separate isolation ward, they were to contact the Dept of Health, and the Dept of Health would find a place that could....
The nursing homes had the COVID spread in house, before they sent their residents to the hospitals to be treated, BEFORE the residents were released by the hospital, to be sent home.
Nursing homes in Georgia, Florida, Texas have much higher percentages of deaths from nursing home deaths than New York has had....
How did those State Governors cause that...? Or did they cause it, as you claim Cuomo did.....?
If what you say is true, why did Cuomo walk it back last week and admit it was a mistake?
because of the rightwing smear campaign, perhaps?
Or because hospitals are no longer over crowded, and they can hold most covid cases longer?
Or perhaps nursing homes with more and more covid patients could no longer accommodate the separate ward for covid patients?
Or perhaps it did not work as well as they planned? I truly do not know....
Regardless, it is a live and learn moment....
NEAR All the nursing homes in America, are infected with the spread of covid....
Not all were faced with what Cuomo was faced with at their hospitals nor had the same plan as his.... yet their nursing homes still are the hotspots in all states....
The nurses and nursing home aids, BROUGHT IT to all the nursing home residents.... in many areas, these same people work in multiple nursing homes a few days a week, then caring for residents without the proper protection gear and replacing masks and so forth for each resident visit by them... sanitary best practices during an epidemic stuff, not testing workers and residents at nursing homes from the get go, isolating the sick, and a number of other reasons contributed
to the crisis....
it's possible that what cuomo's dept of health did hurt the situation as well.... but I'm not certain that has truly been established as of yet..... especially when states like texas, georgia, florida all have a higher percentage of their covid nursing home residents dying, than NY has....
Hospitals were never overcrowded. Navy ship had dozen of non-covid patients, field hospitals had two dozens. There was no need to stuff the nursing homes, but hey, there is only one way to pump those covid numbers in order to demand bailout from federal government. Lets kill some elderly and hope no one will notice.
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Don't you think those protocol requirements would be enough to prevent the spread from the returning resident's stay at the hospital, to the other residents?
And the new covid cases in the regular part of the nursing home got their new cases from the workers and spread among themselves?
I do not know the answer, but I'd like to find out... So we can find good solutions for future episodes and other upcoming states getting the virus spread....
A navy ship, or Javitz center may not be available in the future or to others..... I do not know the facts on why they were not used.... seems like they could have used either one.... but I just have no facts on it.
The Pandemic Blindspot; Why is There so Little Coverage of Nursing Home Fiascos?
The Pandemic Blindspot; Why is There so Little Coverage of Nursing Home Fiascos?
The promises and predictions in the media have been plentiful.
townhall.com
21 May 2020 ~~ By Brad Stager
The promises and predictions in the media have been plentiful. The failing of those pandemic predictions has nearly been as widespread. As consistently wrong as these seers of doom in the press have been there is one other failing they have been adept at delivering; holding local officials accountable. Headlines have blared about governors making decisions which could lead to disaster, but when it comes to those who have instituted provably bad policy there has been far less enthusiasm.
For a time New York’s Governor Andrew Cuomo (D) had been something of a media darling. For a time he was hailed for his leadership and his ability to either work with President Trump, or call out the administration for supposed problematic responses. For a time he was hinted at as a possible presidential ticket name. That time has ended. In recent weeks, Gov. Cuomo’s swelling presence has ebbed as problems with the response in his state have been revealed, with one in particular being a jarring reality.
Gov. Cuomo’s largest issue has been the policy of sending patients who were positive for the coronavirus into nursing homes, alongside the most vulnerable segment of our population. As we are gradually starting to realize, this completely wrong-headed decision was not isolated to Gov. Cuomo’s realm. A number of other governors have also had this policy instituted in their states, yet the national press has not been dutiful in reporting these narrative-busting examples.
Another media darling has been Michigan’s Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D). The press has been swooning over her for months, and she has tried to parlay that into a selection as Joe Biden’s running mate. She has applied less energy to her own state’s needs.
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The Progressive Marxist Socialist/DSA Democrat machine and their coconspirator MSM have tried to make this about 'Orange Man Bad' while governors like Cuomo, Whitmer, Murphy, et al, actually seeded Nursing Homes with active infected patients with Covid-19 virus and contributed to the deaths.
When you subtract nursing home deaths, the lowered numbers of death rate no longer justify the lockdown and power grab by Blue State bureaucrats. That number has reached 28,000 deaths within Nursing Homes.
Surely there are many in Nursing Homes who still think the Democrats are the party of JFK and stand for the little guy. Sadly, if any of these aging Democrats had to be sacrificed for the good of the cause the party leadership was not afraid to do so. Like Boxer, the horse from George Orwell's Animal Farm.
Any logical person has to question how and why Cuomo came to the conclusion that sending Covid positive patients into nursing homes was a good idea is beyond me. How anyone could now respect his "judgement" is even more astonishing.
One would have to conclude that it was all done for political ideology.
Then there's Whitmer! Nearly half the Covid-19 deaths in Detroit occurred in Nursing Homes.
All in all Blue City and State leaders seem to have banded together to create a high death toll to excuse their tyrannical behavior.
Meanwhile now the streets are starkly deserted and these supposed leaders want to rebuild their city in their idea of Utopia. They continue to refuse to allow their citizens the right to return to work.
Folks, it’s not about negligence or ignorance or any other -ance that led to this horrendous decision by PMS/DSA Democrat Mayors or Governors. They've already told us that they consider abortion “life-sustaining”.
I'm not saying F them..... I'm just trying to find out the facts, instead of having my mind made up like you do, before all the facts are known....Yeah....let's all follow the protocols......put up a plastic sheet to separate infected patients from the old folks that are guaranteed to die if they get sick and hope that no bugs get thru.If the nursing homes followed the protocol, and had isolated from the regular nursing home patient COVID ward or wing, with nurses and aids only working the vivid ward, and not crossing over in to the nursing home, With a separate entrance for workers to go in and out....Nursing homes were required to take back in, their own residents, that they sent to the hospital, with COVID, when the Hospital determined they were well enough, to recover at home....
The requirement to take back Their own resident, had stipulations....
The nursing home had to isolate their returning COVID residence in a separate ward in the nursing home, With a separate entrance and separate staff, from the other nursing home residents, so not to mix them, or risk contamination/spread.
IF the nursing home of the resident could not accommodate the separate isolation ward, they were to contact the Dept of Health, and the Dept of Health would find a place that could....
The nursing homes had the COVID spread in house, before they sent their residents to the hospitals to be treated, BEFORE the residents were released by the hospital, to be sent home.
Nursing homes in Georgia, Florida, Texas have much higher percentages of deaths from nursing home deaths than New York has had....
How did those State Governors cause that...? Or did they cause it, as you claim Cuomo did.....?
If what you say is true, why did Cuomo walk it back last week and admit it was a mistake?
because of the rightwing smear campaign, perhaps?
Or because hospitals are no longer over crowded, and they can hold most covid cases longer?
Or perhaps nursing homes with more and more covid patients could no longer accommodate the separate ward for covid patients?
Or perhaps it did not work as well as they planned? I truly do not know....
Regardless, it is a live and learn moment....
NEAR All the nursing homes in America, are infected with the spread of covid....
Not all were faced with what Cuomo was faced with at their hospitals nor had the same plan as his.... yet their nursing homes still are the hotspots in all states....
The nurses and nursing home aids, BROUGHT IT to all the nursing home residents.... in many areas, these same people work in multiple nursing homes a few days a week, then caring for residents without the proper protection gear and replacing masks and so forth for each resident visit by them... sanitary best practices during an epidemic stuff, not testing workers and residents at nursing homes from the get go, isolating the sick, and a number of other reasons contributed
to the crisis....
it's possible that what cuomo's dept of health did hurt the situation as well.... but I'm not certain that has truly been established as of yet..... especially when states like texas, georgia, florida all have a higher percentage of their covid nursing home residents dying, than NY has....
Hospitals were never overcrowded. Navy ship had dozen of non-covid patients, field hospitals had two dozens. There was no need to stuff the nursing homes, but hey, there is only one way to pump those covid numbers in order to demand bailout from federal government. Lets kill some elderly and hope no one will notice.
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Don't you think those protocol requirements would be enough to prevent the spread from the returning resident's stay at the hospital, to the other residents?
And the new covid cases in the regular part of the nursing home got their new cases from the workers and spread among themselves?
I do not know the answer, but I'd like to find out... So we can find good solutions for future episodes and other upcoming states getting the virus spread....
A navy ship, or Javitz center may not be available in the future or to others..... I do not know the facts on why they were not used.... seems like they could have used either one.... but I just have no facts on it.
What could possibly go wrong.
And Care4all says "FUCK EM....THEY SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED THE PROTOCOLS."
Care4all, as usual you are typing out your ass. Andrew "Droopy Dog" Cuomo and his comedy team brother Fredo have got you duped. Cuomo ordered and it is documented, that nursing homes must take in patients exposed to Kung Flu. And not surprising after the scandal was exposed Cuomo ordered that nursing homes are immune from prosecution. States are immune also. So that protects Cuomo so he can celebrate renaming the Tappan Zee Bridge from the name of a Native American tribe to that of his corrupt father known as The Sfachime here in the New York metro area and laugh about he and Fredo have really bad nosejobs.
Andrew Cuomo wants the rich to move out of NYC.
Why?
What Democrats do is screw up the cities and states they run and this encourages businesses to move out. Why would any responsible politician want to do this....literally encourage businesses to move to other states. When businesses move...the jobs go with them. So they get high unemployment, high crime rates, more poverty, and more drug use....which causes more crime.
This is their plan.....first they screw up a city....then watch the people that voted for them leave in droves to other states.....and then these idiots vote in more Democrats and the cycle repeats itself. It's like Independence Day. Aliens move to a planet...destroy it and move onto the next planet.
So how did Democrats get into office in the first place if all they're any good at is screwing everything up?
Well.....the answer is the kind of journalism that CNN practices.
Europe is recovering because they shut down CNN International.
CNN lies about everything. Their reporting is right out of communist playbook. Kill the rich and pass along the party line 24/7.
Most people in New York are liberals because that's all they are exposed to....leftist propaganda.
Here is an prime example of leftist propaganda. Chris Cuomo refusing to listen to the Trump Administration's press secretary by talking over her answers. He's good at this tactic. He asks her a question and while she's answering the question he talks over her answer using canned liberal talking-points and basically calls them liars. He's good at causing an argument with someone he doesn't like. He's sit back and listen to the answers from someone he agrees with.....but he can't keep his mouth shut while somebody on the right is trying to answer his leading questions. He has a gift for doing this.....and yes...it appears effective.....but really all he's doing is trying to discredit them without having any real truth involved.
What he's terrible at is interacting with average folks on the streets. He comes off as some snobbish jerk who doesn't want anyone to tell him when he's breaking rules and regulations everyone else has to follow. People in New York spotted him running around this month in parks without a mask on....even though he claims to have tested positive for COVID-19. Somebody dared to point this out to him and he cussed him out...told him to mind his own business.
That's just horrible! So are you saying this was a practice at most all hospitals and not just NYC, and it was taking place even before hospitals were overwhelmed with New COVID daily admissions? Scooting the vulnerable elderly out of hospital beds and sending them to nursing homes?Nursing homes were required to take back in, their own residents, that they sent to the hospital, with COVID, when the Hospital determined they were well enough, to recover at home....
The requirement to take back Their own resident, had stipulations....
The nursing home had to isolate their returning COVID residence in a separate ward in the nursing home, With a separate entrance and separate staff, from the other nursing home residents, so not to mix them, or risk contamination/spread.
They CANT "recover at home".. Because nursing homes have almost ZERO doctor level supervision... EVEN the good ones.. Usually ONE doctor for each nursing home.. Overloaded and ONLY REQUIRED BY LAW to do rounds once or twice a week.. NEVER "on call".. This is a BRAIN DEAD cynically deadly move...
Yes, I'm angry.. I've HAVE and have had multiple family members in poorly performing nursing homes. This current experience is the WORST, most INCOMPETENT institutionalized medicine practice I've ever seen.,. But my mom died in one that was "high level" and the problems there were atrocious..
What you're missing here is a fight between hospitals and nursing homes over reimbursements. And when POLITICIANS moderate those fights -- the HOSPITALS ALWAYS WIN... Follow the money...
Hospitals generally discharge patients to "extended recovery" at a nursing home because the "BED COST" is not JUSTIFIED by the amount of OTHER hospital resources required.. It's a REFLEX to discharge them at that point --- that DOESN'T ADDRESS the DANGERS of a rogue flu epidemic.. So they "won".. Because the BIG HOSPITAL chains have TOO MUCH PULL on local officials...
This was braindead MANSLAUGHTER.... Nothing I think of short of that.... In many states, 60 or 70% of their deaths WERE OCCURRING in nursing homes.. We KNEW THIS since the FIRST outbreak in Wash State.. And YET -- you had SOME governors DEMANDING that patients be moved back to nursing homes at the same time that FAMILY and any other visitors WERE BANNED...
This is monstrous....
Just posted that Tennessee is outraged to find out that was the "edict"... Hospitals were NOT just discharging ALL their COVID positive seniors to nursing homes tho.. They were sending them "back home"... But "HOME" for someone in a nursing home is the nursing home..
They were (and ARE) in places even refusing to TAKE a COvid positive patient FROM a nursing home and turning the ambulances around because they dont want to be STUCK with that patient until they are nearly coding out of this world...
Part of this I explained in my last post.. But the sad truth here is that the MAJORITY of nursing home patients are "custodial care".. Meaning they are poor or without family support in their care. And -- (heres the problem) --- They are most likely on some form of MediCAID or MediCARE without a supplemental plan to back them up.. Hospitals EAT these costs and pass them on to others.
Nursing Homes eat those costs also.
Fact is Hospital reimbursement is higher than nursing facilities.
In actuality Medicare dollars are most sought after.
A 'smart' administrator balances private pay /Medicare/MediCal dollars in an attempt to pay the bills.
That's all true until the patient cannot pay the 20% Medicare copayment that might pile up. They LIKE that "supplemental insurance". OR for Medicaid patients which are the MAJORITY of nursing home chronic residents because they have no money or family support,,,
Admitting a Covid MediCAID patient could lead to 30 days of "bed time" with a HUGE loss to the hospital.. AND -- the nursing home is also in limbo because they may not HAVE a bed for that patient to return to if they are TRYING to create some kind of ad hoc isolation ward in a crowded place..
Yet we forget... Trump stated that ALL expenses related to CV19 would be paid for by the Fed Gov. No out of pocket anything.
NY hospitals should not have released infected pts to ANYWHERE!
Andrew Cuomo wants the rich to move out of NYC.
Why?
What Democrats do is screw up the cities and states they run and this encourages businesses to move out. Why would any responsible politician want to do this....literally encourage businesses to move to other states. When businesses move...the jobs go with them. So they get high unemployment, high crime rates, more poverty, and more drug use....which causes more crime.
This is their plan.....first they screw up a city....then watch the people that voted for them leave in droves to other states.....and then these idiots vote in more Democrats and the cycle repeats itself. It's like Independence Day. Aliens move to a planet...destroy it and move onto the next planet.
So how did Democrats get into office in the first place if all they're any good at is screwing everything up?
Well.....the answer is the kind of journalism that CNN practices.
Europe is recovering because they shut down CNN International.
CNN lies about everything. Their reporting is right out of communist playbook. Kill the rich and pass along the party line 24/7.
Most people in New York are liberals because that's all they are exposed to....leftist propaganda.
Here is an prime example of leftist propaganda. Chris Cuomo refusing to listen to the Trump Administration's press secretary by talking over her answers. He's good at this tactic. He asks her a question and while she's answering the question he talks over her answer using canned liberal talking-points and basically calls them liars. He's good at causing an argument with someone he doesn't like. He's sit back and listen to the answers from someone he agrees with.....but he can't keep his mouth shut while somebody on the right is trying to answer his leading questions. He has a gift for doing this.....and yes...it appears effective.....but really all he's doing is trying to discredit them without having any real truth involved.
What he's terrible at is interacting with average folks on the streets. He comes off as some snobbish jerk who doesn't want anyone to tell him when he's breaking rules and regulations everyone else has to follow. People in New York spotted him running around this month in parks without a mask on....even though he claims to have tested positive for COVID-19. Somebody dared to point this out to him and he cussed him out...told him to mind his own business.
I can't believe that President Trump is allowing his new Press Secretary to pick on Fredo Cuomo.
Trump knows that Fredo is very sensitive about his low IQ.
Andrew Cuomo wants the rich to move out of NYC.
Why?
What Democrats do is screw up the cities and states they run and this encourages businesses to move out. Why would any responsible politician want to do this....literally encourage businesses to move to other states. When businesses move...the jobs go with them. So they get high unemployment, high crime rates, more poverty, and more drug use....which causes more crime.
This is their plan.....first they screw up a city....then watch the people that voted for them leave in droves to other states.....and then these idiots vote in more Democrats and the cycle repeats itself. It's like Independence Day. Aliens move to a planet...destroy it and move onto the next planet.
So how did Democrats get into office in the first place if all they're any good at is screwing everything up?
Well.....the answer is the kind of journalism that CNN practices.
Europe is recovering because they shut down CNN International.
CNN lies about everything. Their reporting is right out of communist playbook. Kill the rich and pass along the party line 24/7.
Most people in New York are liberals because that's all they are exposed to....leftist propaganda.
Here is an prime example of leftist propaganda. Chris Cuomo refusing to listen to the Trump Administration's press secretary by talking over her answers. He's good at this tactic. He asks her a question and while she's answering the question he talks over her answer using canned liberal talking-points and basically calls them liars. He's good at causing an argument with someone he doesn't like. He's sit back and listen to the answers from someone he agrees with.....but he can't keep his mouth shut while somebody on the right is trying to answer his leading questions. He has a gift for doing this.....and yes...it appears effective.....but really all he's doing is trying to discredit them without having any real truth involved.
What he's terrible at is interacting with average folks on the streets. He comes off as some snobbish jerk who doesn't want anyone to tell him when he's breaking rules and regulations everyone else has to follow. People in New York spotted him running around this month in parks without a mask on....even though he claims to have tested positive for COVID-19. Somebody dared to point this out to him and he cussed him out...told him to mind his own business.
I can't believe that President Trump is allowing his new Press Secretary to pick on Fredo Cuomo.
Trump knows that Fredo is very sensitive about his low IQ.
We do not pay her to pick on anyone, we pay her, to inform us on what is going on in the Whitehouse and what the Whitehouse does in our American names, with our money etc....
