More Support of Israel from The Liberal Democrats

[lehr]

U.S. Senator seeks to cut aid to elite IDF units operating in West Bank and Gaza


Senator Patrick Leahy claims Shayetet 13 unit, undercover Duvdevan unit, and the Israel Air Force Shaldag unit are involved in human rights violations in occupied territories.


U.S. Senator Patrick Leahy is promoting a bill to suspend U.S. assistance to three elite Israel Defense Forces units, alleging they are involved in human rights violations in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Leahy, a Democrat and senior member of the U.S. Senate, wants assistance withheld from the Israel Navy's Shayetet 13 unit, the undercover Duvdevan unit and the Israel Air Force's Shaldag unit
Defense Minister Ehud Barak, a long-time friend of Leahy's, met with him in Washington two weeks ago to try to persuade him to withdraw the initiative.

According to a senior Israeli official in Jerusalem, Leahy began promoting the legislation in recent months after he was approached by voters in his home state of Vermont.


A few months ago, a group of pro-Palestinian protesters staged a rally across from Leahy's office, demanding that he denounce the killing by Shayetet 13 commandos of nine Turkish activists who were part of the flotilla to Gaza last May.

Leahy, who heads the Senate Appropriations Committee's sub-committee on foreign operations, was the principle sponsor of a 1997 bill prohibiting the United States from providing military assistance or funding to foreign military units suspected of human rights abuses or war crimes. The law also stipulates that the U.S. Defense Department screen foreign officers and soldiers who come to the United States for training for this purpose.

Leahy wants the new clause to become a part of the U.S. foreign assistance legislation for 2012, placing restrictions on military assistance to Israel, particularly to those three units.

Leahy says these units are responsible for harming innocent Palestinian civilians and that no system of investigation is in place to ensure that their members are not committing human rights violations. According to Leahy's proposal, U.S. military assistance to Israel would be subject to the same restrictions that apply to countries such as Egypt, Pakistan and Jordan

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U.S. Senator seeks to cut aid to elite IDF units operating in West Bank and Gaza - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

no muslim ever called me a nazi fascist - kid killer -in the 60s when i wore my uniform = millions of christians & jews did !

 

[GHook93]

Why should we borrow money and then send it to Israel? Or anybody else for that matter?

KKK,

Foreign aid to EVERY country is less than 1/2% of the total budget! So your Radical Paul argument means dick!

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Why should we borrow money and then send it to Israel? Or anybody else for that matter?

KKK,

Foreign aid to EVERY country is less than 1/2% of the total budget! So your Radical Paul argument means dick!

Yeah so let's just keep spending money we don't have because it's not as much as some of the other things we waste money on.

 

[Paulie]

Now the pendulum is starting to swing the other way.

There will be more patriotic Americans like Senator Leahy.

Who have come to the forefront and acknowledge that the United States can no longer financially or militarily support the fascist and apartheid state of Israel.

Supporting Israel is morally unjust and hopefully will become legislatively criminal to do so.

Yeah they're coming out in droves Sunni boy..Although generally liberal democrats have more sympathies with the Arabs then conservative Republicans. The only reason more don't come out like this is because most of the American people are on the right side and side with our ally Israel

Some ally.

We strong arm the entire middle east for them and all they do with their military power that WE GAVE TO THEM is hoard it for their own selfish purposes.

What the fuck has Israel ever done for us?

 

[yidnar]

So to sum up your long delusional and pathetic post.

Jews, Zionists, Israel = perfect and good

Anyone who doesn't agree = evil and bad

you can lie and deny liberal,but facts are stubborn things .....you are a friend of the enemy and a traitor to this country!!!and in 2012 you and losers like you will prove it to the world...all liberals are scum!!

he's a 'friend of the enemy'?

'traitor to this country'?

because he doesn't like our policies towards israel?

along with personal responsibility,low taxes,intrusive commy style gov....hell yes he and libbs like him are traitors!!

 

[ogibillm]

you can lie and deny liberal,but facts are stubborn things .....you are a friend of the enemy and a traitor to this country!!!and in 2012 you and losers like you will prove it to the world...all liberals are scum!!

he's a 'friend of the enemy'?

'traitor to this country'?

because he doesn't like our policies towards israel?

along with personal responsibility,low taxes,intrusive commy style gov....hell yes he and libbs like him are traitors!!

you know, i'll take a thousand of people like him over any one idiot that decides that because someone doesn't think like they do they have to be a traitor.

grow up.

 

[Swagger]

Now the pendulum is starting to swing the other way.

There will be more patriotic Americans like Senator Leahy.

Who have come to the forefront and acknowledge that the United States can no longer financially or militarily support the fascist and apartheid state of Israel.

Supporting Israel is morally unjust and hopefully will become legislatively criminal to do so.

Yeah they're coming out in droves Sunni boy..Although generally liberal democrats have more sympathies with the Arabs then conservative Republicans. The only reason more don't come out like this is because most of the American people are on the right side and side with our ally Israel

Some ally

We strong arm the entire middle east for them and all they do with their military power that WE GAVE TO THEM is hoard it for their own selfish purposes.

What the fuck has Israel ever done for us?

Indeed, Paulie. What has Israel ever done for you, or anyone else, for that matter?

They don't fight in any of America's wars. They don't (as far as I'm aware) realistically contribute to world aid. They don't, apart from some radar instalation, have any US military bases within their border. In fact, apart from passing-on information the CIA could no-doubt source themselves, they don't seem to do anythng at all to earn their keep.

The only thing Israel does (via intermediaries the Knesset maintains within various organisations acting on behalf of Jewry) seem to do is fund Republican and Democrat election campaigns. Yes, they seem very eager to make sure they're funding at least someone running for office. I couldn't even begin to imagine why that is, can you?

 

[Jroc]

Yeah they're coming out in droves Sunni boy..Although generally liberal democrats have more sympathies with the Arabs then conservative Republicans. The only reason more don't come out like this is because most of the American people are on the right side and side with our ally Israel

Some ally

We strong arm the entire middle east for them and all they do with their military power that WE GAVE TO THEM is hoard it for their own selfish purposes.

What the fuck has Israel ever done for us?

Indeed, Paulie. What has Israel ever done for you, or anyone else, for that matter?

They don't fight in any of America's wars. They don't (as far as I'm aware) realistically contribute to world aid. They don't, apart from some radar instalation, have any US military bases within their border. In fact, apart from passing-on information the CIA could no-doubt source themselves, they don't seem to do anythng at all to earn their keep.

The only thing Israel does (via intermediaries the Knesset maintains within various organisations acting on behalf of Jewry) seem to do is fund Republican and Democrat election campaigns. Yes, they seem very eager to make sure they're funding at least someone running for office. I couldn't even begin to imagine why that is, can you?

Your an idiot, Israel doesn't ask for the U.S. to fight it's wars like the pathetic Europeans, They also give us plenty of intelligents along with assisting us in developing weapons systems among other things

 

[Paulie]

Some ally

We strong arm the entire middle east for them and all they do with their military power that WE GAVE TO THEM is hoard it for their own selfish purposes.

What the fuck has Israel ever done for us?

Indeed, Paulie. What has Israel ever done for you, or anyone else, for that matter?

They don't fight in any of America's wars. They don't (as far as I'm aware) realistically contribute to world aid. They don't, apart from some radar instalation, have any US military bases within their border. In fact, apart from passing-on information the CIA could no-doubt source themselves, they don't seem to do anythng at all to earn their keep.

The only thing Israel does (via intermediaries the Knesset maintains within various organisations acting on behalf of Jewry) seem to do is fund Republican and Democrat election campaigns. Yes, they seem very eager to make sure they're funding at least someone running for office. I couldn't even begin to imagine why that is, can you?

Your an idiot, Israel doesn't ask for the U.S. to fight it's wars like the pathetic Europeans, They also give us plenty of intelligents along with assisting us in developing weapons systems among other things

No? AIPAC doesn't lobby for US military protection in the Middle East?

 

[Dr.Drock]

Why should we borrow money and then send it to Israel? Or anybody else for that matter?

That's what I'm wondering, why send money we don't have to anyone?

But then again if you disagree with borrowing money from China to send to Israel the apologists will instantly pull the bigot card, because it's all they have.



And I know it's even crazier and more bigotted to suggest that Israel pay for the IDF, but I'll suggest that as well.

 

[Ropey]

now the pendulum is starting to swing the other way.

There will be more patriotic americans like senator leahy.

Who have come to the forefront and acknowledge that the united states can no longer financially or militarily support the fascist and apartheid state of israel.

Supporting israel is morally unjust and hopefully will become legislatively criminal to do so.

yeah they're coming out in droves sunni boy..although generally liberal democrats have more sympathies with the arabs then conservative republicans. The only reason more don't come out like this is because most of the american people are on the right side and side with our ally israel

^^ qft !

 

[ogibillm]

Your an idiot, Israel doesn't ask for the U.S. to fight it's wars like the pathetic Europeans, They also give us plenty of intelligents along with assisting us in developing weapons systems among other things

no. they don't ask us to fight their wars. they just use our money and our weapons to fight them.

and those weapons systems - yeah, they've helped develop weapons systems with us. and then they sold them elsewhere - like to china (who then sold them to iran)

as for the inteligence israel supposedly supplies - would we need it if we weren't so close to israel - and if we would why aren't we able to obtain that intelligence ourselves - without israel filtering it - or from any other ally or potential ally?

israel does nothing for us. they are a drain on our resources and a liability in our foreign relations. it's time we cut them loose and began treating them like any other nation.

 

[aplcr0331]

 

[Rocko]

Now the pendulum is starting to swing the other way.

There will be more patriotic Americans like Senator Leahy.

Who have come to the forefront and acknowledge that the United States can no longer financially or militarily support the fascist and apartheid state of Israel.

Supporting Israel is morally unjust and hopefully will become legislatively criminal to do so.

are you trying to say that Israel is more oppressive than the sharia law abiding ,islamic shit holes in the region!!go back to hell you no good islamic radical!!!when we vote the NIC out in 2012 we will once again stand behind Israel...screw you and the godless left wing traitors that support and enable your shity ass!!!

You mad, bro?


suffice it to say, Israel is absolutely more oppressive than the UNITES STATES when it comes to validated ethnic segregation and state base Jim Cohen favoritism.

is this where you scream antisemite and cry martyr?

Nice try Farrakhan loving faggot...20% of Israel consists of Arabs, most of which Muslims...They are the only country in the wretched middle east to have freedom of religion.

I'm a Christian, one of the many reasons I support Israel over the religion of piss, is so me and my fellow Christians can have access to Jerusalem, because if the Palestinians (whoever the fuck they are) are in charge, we won't, that will be true apartheid.

 

[FA_Q2]

Now the pendulum is starting to swing the other way.

There will be more patriotic Americans like Senator Leahy.

Who have come to the forefront and acknowledge that the United States can no longer financially or militarily support the fascist and apartheid state of Israel.

Supporting Israel is morally unjust and hopefully will become legislatively criminal to do so.

Yeah they're coming out in droves Sunni boy..Although generally liberal democrats have more sympathies with the Arabs then conservative Republicans. The only reason more don't come out like this is because most of the American people are on the right side and side with our ally Israel

Some ally.

We strong arm the entire middle east for them and all they do with their military power that WE GAVE TO THEM is hoard it for their own selfish purposes.

What the fuck has Israel ever done for us?

Don't be so dense. Can you really not see why we are in Israel?

Simply put, there is no better way to influence the landscape of the middle east than to have a dog over there doing it for us. Without Israel there, we would not have a way to put that kind of hardware and personnel on site without numerous other problems so we help Israel do it for us. We are no longer in a world where we can isolate ourselves. All nations take part in this game, influencing the world landscape through third parties. That is what alliances are about: supporting people that are closer to our agenda and ideals than the other guys are. As long as Israel exists, it exerts a force over there that keeps the Islamic nations in check.


You may not agree with the tactics used but to say this is a one way street is rather idiotic and ignores the reason that we are there in the first place. Interesting that I see all these threads on Israel but never on South Korea! The theory in both places is very similar even if the execution is not.


To the poster that mention we do not even have a military base there. That is the point. We do not want the enormous cost and, even more so, the attention that our military brings. Much easier to let the Israelis handle it with a couple of our 'gifts.' It does not hurt that they are the best trained military in the world either.

 

[Jroc]

Clinton, in a Sharp Turnaround, Warns Against Even Symbolically Recognizing Jerusalem as Capital of Israel


Secretary of State Clinton, in a sharp departure from her stance when she was a senator, is warning that any American action, even symbolically, toward recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel must be avoided for the reason that it would jeopardize the peace process.

Her warnings were issued in a brief she has just filed with the Supreme Court — in which she is arguing that a law she voted for when she was Senator is unconstitutional because it could require the U.S. government to give to an American citizen born at Jerusalem papers showing the birthplace as Israel.

The law requiring the government to issue such documents on request passed the Senate unanimously at a time when Mrs. Clinton was a member. But Presidents Bush and Obama have taken the position that the law infringes on the president’s prerogatives in respect of foreign policy. Mrs. Clinton is being sued by an American youngster, Menachem Zivotofsky, who was born at Jerusalem in 2002 to American parents who want his birthplace to be listed on his passport as Israel.

In addition to citing the peace process as the excuse for not issuing the birth document the Congress wants issued, Mrs. Clinton’s brief adds a new twist to the story of the White House photos first disclosed last month by the New York Sun. The story involved the discovery that even while the White House was fretting over the requirement to list Jerusalem, Israel, as Master Zivotofsky’s birthplace, the White House’s own website was featuring a series of pictures from Vice President Biden’s 2010 trip to the Jewish state and identifying the pictures as showing him at “Jerusalem, Israel.” The Sun queried whether the Zivotofsky case really rose to constitutional proportions, since the White House on its own website treated Jerusalem as being in Israel.

Five days later, the White House removed “Israel” from each of the Biden pictures, without announcing the deletion. The State Department also quietly deleted “Israel” from references to “Jerusalem, Israel” on numerous official documents on its own website, dating from the Bush administration.

Mrs. Clinton’s brief alleges that any American action that “symbolically or concretely” signals it recognizes Jerusalem being in Israel would “critically compromise the ability of the United States to work with Israelis, Palestinians and others in the region to further the peace process.” The brief contends that American policy is to remain neutral over all sovereignty issues, leaving them to negotiations, and that the U.S. thus “does not recognize Palestinian claims to current sovereignty” in the West Bank or Gaza either.

It is that latter statement that requires further revision to the Biden photos on the White House website. Two of the photos from Biden’s trip show him meeting with Palestinian officials in the “Palestinian Territories.”

Clinton, in a Sharp Turnaround, Warns Against Even Symbolically Recognizing Jerusalem as Capital of Israel - September 27, 2011 - The New York Sun

 

[JStone]

Your an idiot, Israel doesn't ask for the U.S. to fight it's wars like the pathetic Europeans, They also give us plenty of intelligents along with assisting us in developing weapons systems among other things

no. they don't ask us to fight their wars. they just use our money and our weapons to fight them.

and those weapons systems - yeah, they've helped develop weapons systems with us. and then they sold them elsewhere - like to china (who then sold them to iran)

as for the inteligence israel supposedly supplies - would we need it if we weren't so close to israel - and if we would why aren't we able to obtain that intelligence ourselves - without israel filtering it - or from any other ally or potential ally?

israel does nothing for us. they are a drain on our resources and a liability in our foreign relations. it's time we cut them loose and began treating them like any other nation.

Bill Gates...

Israel is by many measures the country, relative to its population, that's done the most to contribute to the technology revolution

How Israel Saved Intel
Business & Technology | How Israel saved Intel | Seattle Times Newspaper

Microsoft CEO: Microsoft Almost As Israeli As American
Microsoft CEO, in Herzliya: Our company almost as Israeli as American - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

Wharton School of Business...

Despite--or possibly because of--its small size and geopolitical isolation, Israel has developed a global reputation for its cutting-edge high-tech industry.

Israel today has the second largest number of start-ups in the world, after the US, and the largest number of NASDAQ-listed companies outside North America.

"Innovation, together with the engineering excellence and the very quick to market production of high-quality products, really makes Israel shine," says Zach Weisfeld, Microsoft Israel Director of Business Development and Strategy.

Israel has become one of Microsoft's three strategic global development centers, responsible for much of the new technology which Microsoft is now known for, such as its anti-virus software.
Israel and the Innovative Impulse - Knowledge@Wharton

Massachussets Institute of Technology [MIT]...

As a world leader in science and technology, Israel excels in such areas as genetics, medicine, agriculture, computer sciences, electronics, optics, and engineering. Scientists at Israeli universities such as Bar Ilan University, Ben Gurion University, Haifa University, Hebrew University, The Technion--Israel Institute of Technology, Tel Aviv University and the Weizmann Institute of Science are pioneers in areas such as stem cell-based tissue engineering, nanotechnology, high-resolution electron microscopy, and solar energy. Israeli companies have developed such diverse products as the first anti-virus package, technologies that allow you to leave voice mail on mobile phones, and stents that save lives by keeping the arteries to the heart open.
MISTI MIT-Israel

Wall Street Journal

There are more new innovative ideas coming out of Israel than there are out in Silicon Valley right now. And it doesn't slow during economic downturns." The authors of "Start-Up Nation," Dan Senor and Saul Singer, are quoting an executive at British Telecom, but they could just as easily be quoting an executive at Intel, which last year opened a $3.5 billion factory in Kiryat Gat, an hour south of Tel Aviv, to make sophisticated 45-nanometer chips; or Warren Buffett, who in 2006 paid $4 billion for four-fifths of an Israeli firm that makes high-tech cutting tools for cars and planes; or John Chambers, Cisco's chief executive, who has bought nine Israeli start-ups; or Steve Ballmer, who calls Microsoft "as much an Israeli company as an American company" because of the importance of its Israeli technologists. "Google, Cisco, Microsoft, Intel, eBay . . . ," says one of eBay's executives. "The best-kept secret is that we all live and die by the work of our Israeli teams."

 

[JStone]

and those weapons systems - yeah, they've helped develop weapons systems with us

Boeing Aerospace, Third-Largest Defense Contractor In The World...

Israel has a large and modern air force and a successful commercial aviation sector. Israel is also important to Boeing because of its position as a world aerospace leader. The Israeli aerospace industry in the public and private sectors provides a high level of innovation and expertise in the design and manufacture of a wide variety of defense, space and communications products. With some of the world’s highest per capita numbers of engineers and scientists, Israel is at the forefront of technological advancement, with a highly skilled and educated work force and a strong commitment to research and development.
Boeing Israel: Overview

 

[JStone]

as for the inteligence israel supposedly supplies - would we need it if we weren't so close to israel

Did Israel cause the Muslims to attack American interests during Thomas Jefferson's time, dink?
Jefferson Versus the Muslim Pirates by Christopher Hitchens, City Journal Spring 2007

 

[JStone]

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Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer Charles Krauthammer...

Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store.

PBS: Civilization and the Jews

The interaction of Jewish history and Western civilization successively assumed different forms. In the Biblical and Ancient periods, Israel was an integral part of the Near Eastern and classical world, which gave birth to Western civilization. It shared the traditions of ancient Mesopotamia and the rest of that world with regard to it’s own beginning; it benefited from the decline of Egypt and the other great Near Eastern empires to emerge as a nation in it’s own right; it asserted it’s claim to the divinely promised Land of Israel...
PBS - Heritage

University of Chicago Oriental Institute---Empires in the Fertile Crescent: : Israel, Ancient Assyria, and Anatolia

Visitors will get a rare look at one of the most important geographic regions in the ancient Near East beginning January 29 with the opening of "Empires in the Fertile Crescent: Ancient Assyria, Anatolia and Israel," the newest galleries at the Museum of the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago.

The galleries showcase artifacts that illustrate the power of these ancient civilizations, including sculptural representations of tributes demanded by kings of ancient Assyria, and some sources of continual fascination, such as a fragment of the Dead Sea Scrolls--one of the few examples in the United States.

"Visitors begin in Assyria, move across Anatolia and down the Mediterranean coast to the land of ancient Israel. The galleries also trace the conquests of the Assyrian empire across the Middle East and follow their trail to Israel."

The Israelites, who emerged as the dominant people of that region in about 975 B.C. are documented by many objects of daily life, a large stamp engraved with a biblical text and an ossuary (box for bones) inscribed in Hebrew.
Probably the most spectacular portion of the Megiddo gallery, however, is the Megiddo ivories. These exquisitely carved pieces of elephant tusks were inlays in furniture, and a particularly large piece was made into a game board.

Oriental Institute | Museum

Harvard Semitic Museum: The Houses of Ancient Israel

In archaeological terms The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine focuses on the Iron Age (1200-586 B.C.E.). Iron I (1200-1000 B.C.E.) represents the premonarchical period. Iron II (1000-586 B.C.E.) was the time of kings. Uniting the tribal coalitions of Israel and Judah in the tenth century B.C.E., David and Solomon ruled over an expanding realm. After Solomon's death (c. 930 B.C.E.) Israel and Judah separated into two kingdoms.
Israel was led at times by strong kings, Omri and Ahab in the ninth century B.C.E. and Jereboam II in the eighth. In the end, however, Israel was no match for expansionist Assyria. Samaria, the Israelite capital, fell to the Assyrians in 722 B.C.E.

The Houses of Ancient Israel § Semitic Museum

University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology: Canaan and Ancient Israel

The first major North American exhibition dedicated to the archaeology of ancient Israel and neighboring lands, "Canaan and Ancient Israel" features more than 350 rare artifacts from about 3,000 to 586 B.C.E., excavated by University of Pennsylvania Museum archaeologists in Israel,
Artcom Museums Tour: University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, Philadelphia PA

Yale Law School Faculty Scholarship Series: Ancient Land Law in Israel, Mesopotamia, Egypt

This Article provides an overview of the land regimes that the peoples of Mesopotamia, Egypt, and Israel created by law and custom between 3000 B.C. and 500 B.C

A look at land regimes in the earliest periods of human history can illuminate debate over the extent to which human institutions can be expected to vary from time to time and place to place.
"Ancient Land Law: Mesopotamia, Egypt, Israel" by Robert C. Ellickson and Charles DiA. Thorland

Yale University Press: Education in Ancient Israel

In this groundbreaking new book, distinguished biblical scholar James L. Crenshaw investigates both the pragmatic hows and the philosophical whys of education in ancient Israel and its surroundings. Asking questions as basic as "Who were the teachers and students and from what segment of Israelite society did they come?" and "How did instructors interest young people in the things they had to say?" Crenshaw explores the institutions and practices of education in ancient Israel. The results are often surprising and more complicated than one would expect.

Education in Ancient Israel - Crenshaw, James L - Yale University Press

Yale University Press: The Archaeology of Ancient Israel

In this lavishly illustrated book some of Israel's foremost archaeologists present a thorough, up-to-date, and readily accessible survey of early life in the land of the Bible, from the Neolithic era (eighth millennium B.C.E.) to the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. It will be a delightful and informative resource for anyone who has ever wanted to know more about the religious, scientific, or historical background of the region.
The Archaeology of Ancient Israel - Ben-Tor, Amnon; Greenberg, R. - Yale University Press

Cambridge University Press: The World of Ancient Israel
The Bodies of God and the World of Ancient Israel - Academic and Professional Books - Cambridge University Press

Cambridge University Press: Wisdom in Ancient Israel
Wisdom in Ancient Israel - Academic and Professional Books - Cambridge University Press

PBS Nova...

In the banks of the Nile in southern Egypt in 1896, British archaeologisit Flinders Petrie unearthed one of the most important discoveries in biblical archaeology known as the Merneptah Stele. Merneptah's stele announces the entrance on the world stage of a People named Israel.

The Merneptah Stele is powerful evidence that a People called the Israelites are living in Canaan over 3000 years ago

Dr. Donald Redford, Egyptologist and archaeologist: The Merneptah Stele is priceless evidence for the presence of an ethnical group called Israel in Canaan.

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