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Wow, you really aren't here for the debate, are you?
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My opinion it terrific waste of money, while people starve or live in misery in the world.
"World military expenditure in 2014 was an estimated $1776 billion. The total was equivalent to 2.3 per cent of world GDP. Total spending fell by 0.4 per cent in real terms between 2013 and 2014, the third consecutive year of falling global spending. Military spending fell in North America, Western and Central Europe, and Latin America & the Caribbean, but increased in Asia and Oceania, the Middle East, Eastern Europe and Africa. China , Russia and Saudi Arabia all continued to make substantial increases in military expenditure. Saudi Arabia's 17 per cent increase was the highest of any country in the top 15 military spenders in 2014. Read more about recent trends in military expenditure for 2014 here."
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"The SIPRI military expenditure project was established in 1967 to study developments in world military expenditure. Military expenditure is an indicator of the economic resources devoted to military purposes. The project monitors and analyses trends in military expenditure over time, looking at their economic, political and security drivers and their implications for global peace, security and development."
© Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) Signalistgatan 9, SE-169 70 Solna, Sweden. Tel +46-8-655 97 00. Fax +46-8-655 97 33 Welcome to SIPRI — www.sipri.org
The world is not my concern
IMO our military expenditures are the biggest foreign aid donations we make.
It's time for us to spend less defending other countries when they refuse to defend themselves
Like Iraq, that was defending itself before Bush invaded?
Iraq force up to only Guerilla wars.
Also Islamic State come to Iraq.
From 200.000 to 300.000 soldiers.
Also IS was 100.000 men from start.
45/60 precents is killed.
I have no idea what you're talking about!
Two Thumbs
Platinum Member
why would I debate a liar?What is this thread about?Bush invaded?The world is not my concern
IMO our military expenditures are the biggest foreign aid donations we make.
It's time for us to spend less defending other countries when they refuse to defend themselves
Like Iraq, that was defending itself before Bush invaded?
must have gone poorly for him, all by himself.
OOOO, you meant the Congress approved invasion
I get leftist lies mixed up, there's so fucking many of them
Wow, you're really out to twist and turn, aren't you? C-in-C of the armed forces at the time of the invasion of Iraq was.......? Who?
fuck off poser, the dems have just as much blood on their hands.
Test me again and I'll drop history like a fucking bomb on you and send you off crying to msn for a safe room
Wow, you really aren't here for the debate, are you?
The US is not the world's policeman. Policemen answer to a court, the US answers to no court. The US is the world's capo and does it for the vig, nothing else.Why should the rest of the free world defend themselves? The US pays for being the world's policeman in money and blood. It's nothing but military socialism.
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I don't think Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen can take much more of that aid. Their cups runneth over.
Yeah, I'm sure they prefer the help they receive from the Taliban, al Qaeda and ISIS. They're way better.
namvet
Gold Member
what's the problem?? you have no military
Bush invaded?The world is not my concern
IMO our military expenditures are the biggest foreign aid donations we make.
It's time for us to spend less defending other countries when they refuse to defend themselves
Like Iraq, that was defending itself before Bush invaded?
must have gone poorly for him, all by himself.
OOOO, you meant the Congress approved invasion
I get leftist lies mixed up, there's so fucking many of them
Wow, you're really out to twist and turn, aren't you? C-in-C of the armed forces at the time of the invasion of Iraq was.......? Who?
Which changes absolutely nothing of the truth he gave.
Bush didn't do anything alone. The Congress gave approval of everything. Just like we have video of democrats taking tours of the CIA water boarding facilities. You people just lie non-stop to support whatever ignorance you are pushing in the moment.
I'm not lying at all. You're being very aggressive and seemingly unwilling to accept what I'm saying, don't push the bullshit on me.
My point is this. And I've said it a few times.
Bush and his team sent the CIA out to gain evidence of something, whether the evidence was real or partially real. We know this, it's been documented. No one else sent them out to do this in an unethical manner.
Then when the evidence was presented, both NSA and CIA evidence, Bush chose the evidence he knew to be tainted.
Then Bush twisted this evidence and then presented this evidence to people.
I'm not saying people were ignorant of what was going on in Iraq. What I'm saying is that Bush did something unethical. Other people did things and it wasn't necessarily great, but they worked within the system, Bush didn't.
You don't have to accept this, you can continue to get aggressive when people bring this up, you can see demons that aren't there, I don't care. This is a debate, if you choose to engage in the debate and act sensibly, then great, if not, you can just stop talking to me. Either way, your choice, but I won't accept this aggressive nonsense from you.
Ah yes. The Tin Foil Hat people.
That's a myth.
The Great War of Our Time: The CIA's Fight Against Terrorism--From al Qa'ida to ISIS: Michael Morell, Bill Harlow: 9781455585663: Amazon.com: Books
Former CIA members, have long said that they were not pressured.
The Robb-Silberman Commission also investigated the accusation of pressure on the CIA, and concluded none existed.
“As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
Who said that? Nancy Pelosi in 1998.
You people are ignorant idiots.
By the way, how do you tin foil hat people, explain MI6 and all the other intelligence agencies around the world, that supported the claims? I suppose Bush secretly applied pressure on everyone everywhere, right? Childish intellects on the forums today.
My opinion it terrific waste of money, while people starve or live in misery in the world.
"World military expenditure in 2014 was an estimated $1776 billion. The total was equivalent to 2.3 per cent of world GDP. Total spending fell by 0.4 per cent in real terms between 2013 and 2014, the third consecutive year of falling global spending. Military spending fell in North America, Western and Central Europe, and Latin America & the Caribbean, but increased in Asia and Oceania, the Middle East, Eastern Europe and Africa. China , Russia and Saudi Arabia all continued to make substantial increases in military expenditure. Saudi Arabia's 17 per cent increase was the highest of any country in the top 15 military spenders in 2014. Read more about recent trends in military expenditure for 2014 here."
View attachment 64003 View attachment 64004
"The SIPRI military expenditure project was established in 1967 to study developments in world military expenditure. Military expenditure is an indicator of the economic resources devoted to military purposes. The project monitors and analyses trends in military expenditure over time, looking at their economic, political and security drivers and their implications for global peace, security and development."
© Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) Signalistgatan 9, SE-169 70 Solna, Sweden. Tel +46-8-655 97 00. Fax +46-8-655 97 33 Welcome to SIPRI — www.sipri.org
The world is not my concern
IMO our military expenditures are the biggest foreign aid donations we make.
It's time for us to spend less defending other countries when they refuse to defend themselves
Why should the rest of the free world defend themselves? The US pays for being the world's policeman in money and blood. It's nothing but military socialism.
That way the Europe can sit around arrogantly criticizing the US while they send their boy Barak Obama to places like Libya to do their dirty work for them.
They gave him a Nobel Peace Prize so how could he refuse?
My wish is that the US stops this. That way Europeans will be forced to either defend themselves or learn to speak Russian.
Well.... As much as I agree.... You do have to consider World War 2. Because we kinda had that plan. Didn't work out too well.
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Bush invaded?Like Iraq, that was defending itself before Bush invaded?
must have gone poorly for him, all by himself.
OOOO, you meant the Congress approved invasion
I get leftist lies mixed up, there's so fucking many of them
Wow, you're really out to twist and turn, aren't you? C-in-C of the armed forces at the time of the invasion of Iraq was.......? Who?
Which changes absolutely nothing of the truth he gave.
Bush didn't do anything alone. The Congress gave approval of everything. Just like we have video of democrats taking tours of the CIA water boarding facilities. You people just lie non-stop to support whatever ignorance you are pushing in the moment.
I'm not lying at all. You're being very aggressive and seemingly unwilling to accept what I'm saying, don't push the bullshit on me.
My point is this. And I've said it a few times.
Bush and his team sent the CIA out to gain evidence of something, whether the evidence was real or partially real. We know this, it's been documented. No one else sent them out to do this in an unethical manner.
Then when the evidence was presented, both NSA and CIA evidence, Bush chose the evidence he knew to be tainted.
Then Bush twisted this evidence and then presented this evidence to people.
I'm not saying people were ignorant of what was going on in Iraq. What I'm saying is that Bush did something unethical. Other people did things and it wasn't necessarily great, but they worked within the system, Bush didn't.
You don't have to accept this, you can continue to get aggressive when people bring this up, you can see demons that aren't there, I don't care. This is a debate, if you choose to engage in the debate and act sensibly, then great, if not, you can just stop talking to me. Either way, your choice, but I won't accept this aggressive nonsense from you.
Ah yes. The Tin Foil Hat people.
That's a myth.
The Great War of Our Time: The CIA's Fight Against Terrorism--From al Qa'ida to ISIS: Michael Morell, Bill Harlow: 9781455585663: Amazon.com: Books
Former CIA members, have long said that they were not pressured.
The Robb-Silberman Commission also investigated the accusation of pressure on the CIA, and concluded none existed.
“As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
Who said that? Nancy Pelosi in 1998.
You people are ignorant idiots.
By the way, how do you tin foil hat people, explain MI6 and all the other intelligence agencies around the world, that supported the claims? I suppose Bush secretly applied pressure on everyone everywhere, right? Childish intellects on the forums today.
I don't see the importance of anything you've said.
The CIA say they weren't pressurized. So what? They still carried out acts against the Geneva Convention. If people were allowed to get away with it in Abu Ghraib, why wouldn't they have been allowed to get away with it in Camp X-Ray?
Why was it allowed to happen? There's a difference between actively breaking the Geneva Convention and allowing it to happen, but they're both breaking the Geneva Convention. Simple as.
As for your argument that "You people are ignorant idiots", your argument is an insult. Are you serious? You're telling people they have low intellects and then insulting them. Hmmmm.....
Only one currency is accepted when our politicians try to curry favour with the US, as they do.what's the problem?? you have no military
MDiver
Gold Member
During the Cold War, Russian leaders initially considered invading the United States, however, their generals reminded them that the United States could not be beaten with an invasion as their troops would be encountering armed citizens across the entire nation and that the only way to beat the United States was to use massive nuclear weaponry.
During WWII, the Japanese emperor wanted his military to invade the United States, however, his military informed him that if they invaded the United States, there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass, as the citizens were armed.
During WWII, Hitler had his generals draft invasion plans for the United States.
China's military is currently number two in the world, however, the gap between our two nations is closing rapidly.
We have mutual defense treaties (think of them as signed agreements/contracts) with various nations in the world, these agreements in which we provide military assistance, sometimes protect very important interests, such as that pesky oil which we guzzle.
As our nation is the glutton of consumerism, we need most of the trade deals and mutual treaties are a part of that.
We also need to have our military in remote areas to be able to rapidly strike any threat that may manifest itself against us.
During WWII, the Japanese emperor wanted his military to invade the United States, however, his military informed him that if they invaded the United States, there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass, as the citizens were armed.
During WWII, Hitler had his generals draft invasion plans for the United States.
China's military is currently number two in the world, however, the gap between our two nations is closing rapidly.
We have mutual defense treaties (think of them as signed agreements/contracts) with various nations in the world, these agreements in which we provide military assistance, sometimes protect very important interests, such as that pesky oil which we guzzle.
As our nation is the glutton of consumerism, we need most of the trade deals and mutual treaties are a part of that.
We also need to have our military in remote areas to be able to rapidly strike any threat that may manifest itself against us.
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During the Cold War, Russian leaders initially considered invading the United States, however, their generals reminded them that the United States could not be beaten with an invasion as their troops would be encountering armed citizens across the entire nation and that the only way to beat the United States was to use massive nuclear weaponry.
During WWII, the Japanese emperor wanted his military to invade the United States, however, his military informed him that if they invaded the United States, there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass, as the citizens were armed.
During WWII, Hitler had his generals draft invasion plans for the United States.
China's military is currently number two in the world, however, the gap between our two nations is closing rapidly.
We have mutual defense treaties (think of them as signed agreements/contracts) with various nations in the world, these agreements in which we provide military assistance, sometimes protect very important interests, such as that pesky oil which we guzzle.
As our nation is the glutton of consumerism, we need most of the trade deals and mutual treaties are a part of that.
We also need to have our military in remote areas to be able to rapidly strike any threat that may manifest itself against us.
The Soviet leadership considered invading the USA? Really?
Any evidence for this? Or did you just make it up?
Hitler might have planned to invade the USA, however he didn't even manage to invade the UK.
Gods...During the Cold War, Russian leaders initially considered invading the United States,
Two Thumbs
Platinum Member
you 2 really think the ussr had no plans?
Bush invaded?
must have gone poorly for him, all by himself.
OOOO, you meant the Congress approved invasion
I get leftist lies mixed up, there's so fucking many of them
Wow, you're really out to twist and turn, aren't you? C-in-C of the armed forces at the time of the invasion of Iraq was.......? Who?
Which changes absolutely nothing of the truth he gave.
Bush didn't do anything alone. The Congress gave approval of everything. Just like we have video of democrats taking tours of the CIA water boarding facilities. You people just lie non-stop to support whatever ignorance you are pushing in the moment.
I'm not lying at all. You're being very aggressive and seemingly unwilling to accept what I'm saying, don't push the bullshit on me.
My point is this. And I've said it a few times.
Bush and his team sent the CIA out to gain evidence of something, whether the evidence was real or partially real. We know this, it's been documented. No one else sent them out to do this in an unethical manner.
Then when the evidence was presented, both NSA and CIA evidence, Bush chose the evidence he knew to be tainted.
Then Bush twisted this evidence and then presented this evidence to people.
I'm not saying people were ignorant of what was going on in Iraq. What I'm saying is that Bush did something unethical. Other people did things and it wasn't necessarily great, but they worked within the system, Bush didn't.
You don't have to accept this, you can continue to get aggressive when people bring this up, you can see demons that aren't there, I don't care. This is a debate, if you choose to engage in the debate and act sensibly, then great, if not, you can just stop talking to me. Either way, your choice, but I won't accept this aggressive nonsense from you.
Ah yes. The Tin Foil Hat people.
That's a myth.
The Great War of Our Time: The CIA's Fight Against Terrorism--From al Qa'ida to ISIS: Michael Morell, Bill Harlow: 9781455585663: Amazon.com: Books
Former CIA members, have long said that they were not pressured.
The Robb-Silberman Commission also investigated the accusation of pressure on the CIA, and concluded none existed.
“As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
Who said that? Nancy Pelosi in 1998.
You people are ignorant idiots.
By the way, how do you tin foil hat people, explain MI6 and all the other intelligence agencies around the world, that supported the claims? I suppose Bush secretly applied pressure on everyone everywhere, right? Childish intellects on the forums today.
I don't see the importance of anything you've said.
The CIA say they weren't pressurized. So what? They still carried out acts against the Geneva Convention. If people were allowed to get away with it in Abu Ghraib, why wouldn't they have been allowed to get away with it in Camp X-Ray?
Why was it allowed to happen? There's a difference between actively breaking the Geneva Convention and allowing it to happen, but they're both breaking the Geneva Convention. Simple as.
As for your argument that "You people are ignorant idiots", your argument is an insult. Are you serious? You're telling people they have low intellects and then insulting them. Hmmmm.....
No stupid.... my argument was the numerous investigations, and eye witness accounts, that contradict your asinine claim that Bush magically pressured everyone on the planet to fabricate intelligence in support of the Iraq war.
Me insulting you as stupid, is my interpretation of the evidence, the evidence of your post, that you people are in fact STUPID. That's what the claims of your post, indicate about you.
You want to argue about what happened in Abu Ghraib, fine. I agree with that assessment.
What's that go to do with the magic "Bush pushed intelligence agencies world wide, and for the decade before being president, to make up false evidence" theory that I was responding to? Sudden topic change, when your idiocy was pointed out?
You are dismissed. Grow up, and then come back.
Oh, of course they had plans, just like the US had plans to invade Mongolia, but neither of those two things were going to happen. Ffs.you 2 really think the ussr had no plans?
He didn't and they didn't. Very few intelligence agencies thought Iraq had significant WMD. A few rusting artillery shells is not significant WMD. Trump was right, it was a big fat mistake and Bush was the fuckwit who dragged the US into it.No stupid.... my argument was the numerous investigations, and eye witness accounts, that contradict your asinine claim that Bush magically pressured everyone on the planet to fabricate intelligence in support of the Iraq war
But US intelligence organisations were definitely pressured to 'find something on Iraq'. How that can still be denied is beyond me. Maybe it'll finally sink in when Trump puts Bush on trial. Oh happy day.
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Two Thumbs
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your comparison only shows how little to grasp what was going on back then.Oh, of course they had plans, just like the US had plans to invade Mongolia, but neither of those two things were going to happen. Ffs.you 2 really think the ussr had no plans?
leftist are such children, it's amazing that you learn to tie your shoes
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