What brings to to that conclusion? Surely not reason or logic. Surely not anything I have said. How many generations are we needing to tax to pay off what was incurred before they were even born to satisfy you? How many bicycle helmets and air conditioners does the Government need to give away while taxing the retailers that sell them, competing with the give away's? How many Bullshit schemes and scams bankrolled by the Federal Government with our tax money, without our consent do we need to tolerate? How many redundant Intrusive Government agencies? How many Mortgages are our tax dollars subsidizing? I know you think we are not paying our fair share in enhancing your life style and all. Yet, I feel that your imposition on my life degrades my quality of life. How about we start with an Audit of the Federal Reserve, and see what damage can be undone. Maybe we could reexamine every exempt status too, and trim some fat.
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Michele Bachman caught flip flopping on every sunday show after ames IOWA
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What brings to to that conclusion? Surely not reason or logic. Surely not anything I have said. How many generations are we needing to tax to pay off what was incurred before they were even born to satisfy you? How many bicycle helmets and air conditioners does the Government need to give away while taxing the retailers that sell them, competing with the give away's? How many Bullshit schemes and scams bankrolled by the Federal Government with our tax money, without our consent do we need to tolerate? How many redundant Intrusive Government agencies? How many Mortgages are our tax dollars subsidizing? I know you think we are not paying our fair share in enhancing your life style and all. Yet, I feel that your imposition on my life degrades my quality of life. How about we start with an Audit of the Federal Reserve, and see what damage can be undone. Maybe we could reexamine every exempt status too, and trim some fat.
Reagan committed treason, violated the Constitution and broke the law.
Those things alone should put him in the worst President spot without the other crap.
This is what treason looks like fuckers.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHXq8TRejow]Telling Lies - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSafh_G3skU&feature=fvsr]Lou Reed - Take a Walk on the Wild Side - YouTube[/ame]
It's obvious you have the hots for Ronnie Sallow. I don't think he swung that way, girl. This infatuation was it while he was still with us, or postmortem?
NYcarbineer
Diamond Member
We currently collect enough in taxes to cover 60% of this year's budget.
Okay, then cut 40% out of the budget without touching Defense, Social Security, or the Interest on the Debt:
Which is what, presumably, Bachmann thinks she could have done after she froze the debt ceiling...
Ready, Go!!!!!
That would be an incorrect assumption on your part. We MUST cut defense, SS, Medicare/Medicade as well as all bulk of discretionary spending. That or destroy the lives of those yet to be born with crippling debt. I say we live within our means. You?
Did Michele Bachmann cut defense in her 'plan'? In her post-apocalyptic debt ceiling freeze plan?
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
Declaration of Independence - Text Transcript
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
Declaration of Independence - Text Transcript
NYcarbineer
Diamond Member
Okay, then cut 40% out of the budget without touching Defense, Social Security, or the Interest on the Debt:
Which is what, presumably, Bachmann thinks she could have done after she froze the debt ceiling...
Ready, Go!!!!!
That would be an incorrect assumption on your part. We MUST cut defense, SS, Medicare/Medicade as well as all bulk of discretionary spending. That or destroy the lives of those yet to be born with crippling debt. I say we live within our means. You?
Agree.
Which GOP candidates other than Paul are running on the necessity of cutting defense?
Which GOP candidates other than Paul are running on the necessity of cutting defense?
That remains to be seen. I support audits and cutbacks where warranted, including Defense. The whole pie is beyond our means to support.
Dot Com
Nullius in verba
That would be an incorrect assumption on your part. We MUST cut defense, SS, Medicare/Medicade as well as all bulk of discretionary spending. That or destroy the lives of those yet to be born with crippling debt. I say we live within our means. You?
Agree.
Which GOP candidates other than Paul are running on the necessity of cutting defense?
Reminds me of Hatch (R) a couple years ago. I hope the t-partiers challenge him in his next cycle like they planned.
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Agree.
Instead, how about cutting spending by 20% and raising revenues to pay for the other 20%. That would balance the budget. But, I guess you really aren't concerned with balancing the budget are you?
What brings to to that conclusion? Surely not reason or logic. Surely not anything I have said. How many generations are we needing to tax to pay off what was incurred before they were even born to satisfy you? How many bicycle helmets and air conditioners does the Government need to give away while taxing the retailers that sell them, competing with the give away's? How many Bullshit schemes and scams bankrolled by the Federal Government with our tax money, without our consent do we need to tolerate? How many redundant Intrusive Government agencies? How many Mortgages are our tax dollars subsidizing? I know you think we are not paying our fair share in enhancing your life style and all. Yet, I feel that your imposition on my life degrades my quality of life. How about we start with an Audit of the Federal Reserve, and see what damage can be undone. Maybe we could reexamine every exempt status too, and trim some fat.
Do you always blab so?
If your so concerned with the future generations, you'd agree that we should balance the budget now, and the only realistic way to do that includes raising taxes.
BTW, you're a complete jackass for making any assumptions about me, not to mention absolutely wrong.
NYcarbineer
Diamond Member
I want to raise taxes and cut spending in a 50/50 ratio, cutting the spending portion across the board, with preferably extra weight on defense cuts, to balance the budget.
We currently collect enough in taxes to cover 60% of this year's budget.
Okay, then cut 40% out of the budget without touching Defense, Social Security, or the Interest on the Debt:
Which is what, presumably, Bachmann thinks she could have done after she froze the debt ceiling...
Ready, Go!!!!!
No one wants to take a crack at this? Take 40% off the budget,
don't touch defense
don't touch SS
can't touch interest on the debt
That means you have to cut about 2/3rds of what's left, if my math is correct.
Ouch.
Now does anyone else see the light here? Anyone having a moment of clarity on what it would take to balance the budget without touching the above OR raising taxes??
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