Michael Moore - No favors!

[CommonSensor]

As I sit here watching Michael Moore on Larry King, I get more and more pissed and disappointed. I know he's sincere and *thinks* he's helping the "cause", but in my view, much of the crap he's spewing misses the point entirely, and the rest is just faulty analysis.

I know he's "trying" to help the cause, but to "trash" capitalism as the root of all evil is just as wrong, in my opinion, as ignoring BOTH it's weaknesses AND strengths. Capitalism is in LARGE part the reason this country is great, is "the land of opportunity" (if there is such a thing), and capable of managing 95% of the economy better than any other system in the world. It's the "5%" we're talking about, where it doesn't work for society. Let's not turn this into an "all or nothing" discussion, PLEASE!

In my view, all he is accomplishing is to drive the wedge further between us, and diminishing the reputation of the cause he's trying to promote.

Your thoughts?

-sensored

 

[CommonSensor]

And just as I finish the first post, the very first caller asks "What does any of this have to do with capitalism?", to which Moore replies, "Because capitalism is a legal system that doesn't work for everyone"....

YIKES!....I can't wait for the laffs in the office tomorrow....

Michael, please do us a favor and stop representing us~ We have the same "goal", but lets stick with the facts...

 

[Diuretic]

He's a polemicist, it's his living.

But when it comes to "capitalism" I sometimes think it makes more sense to think about "the private ownership of the means of production." I do the same with "socialism", the "societal ownership of the means of production." As has been pointed out here many times, there's no 100% version of either, it's how the mix is worked out that counts.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Michael Moore obviously can't even define capitalism if he thinks government bailouts have anything at all to do with capitalism.

 

[Harry Dresden]

He's a polemicist, it's his living.

But when it comes to "capitalism" I sometimes think it makes more sense to think about "the private ownership of the means of production." I do the same with "socialism", the "societal ownership of the means of production." As has been pointed out here many times, there's no 100% version of either, it's how the mix is worked out that counts.

the mix is an important part....thats for sure........

 

[Harry Dresden]

As I sit here watching Michael Moore on Larry King, I get more and more pissed and disappointed. I know he's sincere and *thinks* he's helping the "cause", but in my view, much of the crap he's spewing misses the point entirely, and the rest is just faulty analysis.

I know he's "trying" to help the cause, but to "trash" capitalism as the root of all evil is just as wrong, in my opinion, as ignoring BOTH it's weaknesses AND strengths. Capitalism is in LARGE part the reason this country is great, is "the land of opportunity" (if there is such a thing), and capable of managing 95% of the economy better than any other system in the world. It's the "5%" we're talking about, where it doesn't work for society. Let's not turn this into an "all or nothing" discussion, PLEASE!

In my view, all he is accomplishing is to drive the wedge further between us, and diminishing the reputation of the cause he's trying to promote.

Your thoughts?

-sensored

he thinks "capitalism is the root of all evil".....but has no problem cashing his checks and investing the money in a capitalist venture.....Mr. Moore is and always has....been a Hypocrite.....

 

[Big Black Dog]

If you look up stupid in the dictionary you will find the meaning of the word complete with a picture of Michael Moore. This guy is a typical left-wing lunatic.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

My experience with Michael Moore:

1) Roger and Me: Watched it in business ethics class. We as a class were tasked with pulling out 3 truths and 3 fallacies from the film. I learned in that class that Michael Moore uses slivers of truth in his films but then uses exaggerations and misrepresentations to make his point.

Roger and Me was a good watch though

2) Fahrenheit 9/11: Watched with my liberal friends, thought it was totally bullshit and lies. HE made a few valid points but the bullshit just erased any validity for me.

3) Sicko: Watched again with my liberal friends, he was very accurate at the beginning describing the pitfalls of our insurance setup. Then he went on to ruin his credibility citing other socialistic style health programs (such as cuba's) as being better.....yes they get better coverage but much worse care, lower quality, and longer wait times.

4) his new film may be a favorite of mine....it seems he is going after a lot of the stuff that bugs me with the bailouts, however his attacks on capitalism are hopefully based in fact and not exaggerations and misrepresentation, I am hoping he doesn't ruin this one like the other 3 with that tactic.

 

[Coyote]

Michael Moore is the Leftwing version of Limbaugh and Beck. Entertaining at times but excrutiatingly embarressing to be associated with in public.

 

[CommonSensor]

..however his attacks on capitalism are hopefully based in fact and not exaggerations and misrepresentation

Well, don't get your hopes up too high. He needs to realize capitalism is NOT a legal system first...

 

[Immanuel]

Michael Moore would not be where he is today if it were not for Capitalism. He'd be just as poor as the rest of us would be.

Seems to me that he should be on his knees thanking God he was born in America rather than a communist or socialist country.

Immie

 

[Meister]

Michael Moore would not be where he is today if it were not for Capitalism. He'd be just as poor as the rest of us would be.

Seems to me that he should be on his knees thanking God he was born in America rather than a communist or socialist country.

Immie

Get this...Michael Moore was born in Victoria, British Columbia.

 

[Immanuel]

Michael Moore would not be where he is today if it were not for Capitalism. He'd be just as poor as the rest of us would be.

Seems to me that he should be on his knees thanking God he was born in America rather than a communist or socialist country.

Immie

Get this...Michael Moore was born in Victoria, British Columbia.

Well, I don't picture Canada as a communist or socialist country, but he's milking our system for what it is worth. By the way, Canada is America... not that I realized he was born in Canada.

Immie

 

[Diuretic]

Wash your mouth out Immie - "Canada is America"

 

[xsited1]

One thing's for sure: Michael Moore spews a lot of crap!

 

[Wry Catcher]

One thing for sure, Michael Moore's films are thought provoking. Love them or hate them, the films are topical, speak to issues which divide Americans, and generally spark debate.
Of course they have a point of view, why else make a film, or write a book? Those of you who so harshly criticize Moore are incapable - or so it seems - to offer a counterpoint to his.
And, why is there no list of contemporary films by conservatives willing to offer that point of view? Polemics and art have a long history; maybe those on the left are much more creative and smarter than those on the right!

 

[REVxERIK]

Michael Moore is the Leftwing version of Limbaugh and Beck. Entertaining at times but excrutiatingly embarressing to be associated with in public.

nice!

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Michael Moore is the Leftwing version of Limbaugh and Beck. Entertaining at times but excrutiatingly embarressing to be associated with in public.

nice!

yes i liked that one too.

 

[CommonSensor]

One thing for sure, Michael Moore's films are thought provoking. Love them or hate them, the films are topical, speak to issues which divide Americans, and generally spark debate.
Of course they have a point of view, why else make a film, or write a book? Those of you who so harshly criticize Moore are incapable - or so it seems - to offer a counterpoint to his.
And, why is there no list of contemporary films by conservatives willing to offer that point of view? Polemics and art have a long history; maybe those on the left are much more creative and smarter than those on the right!

That was my point when I started this thread. It's NOT the subject matter he presents (which I agree some of which is thought provoking), but he is SO inaccurate in the way he presents it, that he's "not doing us any favor's" by doing so (the title of the thread).

If you're going to present yourself as an expert on a subject, you better be one. All he does is hurl accusations around, mis-state facts, and use unsound reasoning to arrive at unsound conclusions.

m2c

-sensored

 

[Wry Catcher]

One thing for sure, Michael Moore's films are thought provoking. Love them or hate them, the films are topical, speak to issues which divide Americans, and generally spark debate.
Of course they have a point of view, why else make a film, or write a book? Those of you who so harshly criticize Moore are incapable - or so it seems - to offer a counterpoint to his.
And, why is there no list of contemporary films by conservatives willing to offer that point of view? Polemics and art have a long history; maybe those on the left are much more creative and smarter than those on the right!

That was my point when I started this thread. It's NOT the subject matter he presents (which I agree some of which is thought provoking), but he is SO inaccurate in the way he presents it, that he's "not doing us any favor's" by doing so (the title of the thread).

If you're going to present yourself as an expert on a subject, you better be one. All he does is hurl accusations around, mis-state facts, and use unsound reasoning to arrive at unsound conclusions.

m2c

-sensored

As I recall Moore makes few "accusations"; pretty much he asks questions and lets people respond. Does he cherry pick who he interivews? Of course, but he does give the other side an opportunity to respond. Is he always fair? Nope, I felt bad for 'Moses' when he cornered him, but CH got what he deserved (IMHO).
I disagree that he projects himself as an expert (see Limbaugh for one who does), nor does he mistate facts or use unsound reasoning (whatever that means) - for an emotional argument listen to Hannity or Beck, the place where hysteria abounds.